Joe Rogan Experience #1242 — Tim Pool Transcript

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0:00 three two one hello Tim how's it going thanks for finally being here yeah long story right of all I agree that it was kind of boring yeah and it was I think in many for many reasons it It's where journalists are, and this is a problem, sourcing a lot of their stories. and to have no idea when you were doing it that it was going to be essentially like one of the

2:42 You know, your conversations are real. I try to figure out what I did wrong and try to regroup and figure out how to approach it again. We should probably check on that. he said to Congress, Please explain that a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, 2008. Dorsey's management 2010 that is a that is an issue right with information the distribution of information that's flavored

5:58 Against people like her, yeah. So there's intersectional feminists. The trans-exclusionary group think they shouldn't. aren't women who the fuck's going to argue with that well then when you say trans people okay now and presumably that's why megan murphy was banned okay that's a left-wing ideology right but that's right so if what is that behavior that i have no idea. Like, listen, if you are using Twitter the way Twitter was designed to engage and respond to people, is that bad conduct?

8:48 Center-left. whatever you know these labels are so fucking toxic it's so confusing to people and it causes know starting fires and things like or alt-right adjacent that's my new favorite yeah bootlicker If I drink this water, there's a consequence. They say, you know. When you say no reason, now they have no recourse. was an accident oops they said it was an accident yeah banned for life

11:32 Now, is it possible that they're just dealing with blunt tools and that there was a mistake? That's just ridiculous. Look, He's very much a provocateur. let people know whether he's not racist it's he's hilarious in that way i i wouldn't i would could you literally shamed him to the point where he decided to go to the gym to better himself and Look, that's fine.

14:14 and right it opens the door to fake milos and you don't know who's who because there's no blue He's not verified? Let's take a little sidebar here. No, that Julian Assange is acting independently against the U.S. I don't think that's, you know, I'll be honest, it's been years, but I don't think that's the case. It was like, what is it, six years? Maybe it is.

16:55 hey, this is Tim Pool, badges and like how do you do that you can just change your name and it erases i think pewdiepie You can question her politics. So – but here's the thing. a person or the background but when you know a person whether it's a laura loomer or a milo like what is that so when coal miners were getting laid off a bunch of articles emerged saying

19:58 So when these journalists start getting laid off, this meme spreads. campaign well now you got a few problems is tweeting a meme at somebody critical of them engaging in a harassment campaign so i said look at this guy's account he's got one tweet that says And he tweeted, learn to code, and quote, tweeted a video, suspended. I want these kids' names several times.

22:32 twitter there you know you know right now there are ant so now we can there's there's so much identitarian ideological bias right it's it's it's it's hard to pinpoint what the tribes are The people who get hired tend to hold certain views. And there's a really simple reason for it. News breaks. You've got all these journalists because I've worked with them. You know,

24:55 talked about that yesterday and it's mind-blowing to me because the second video that came out from That story in particular really almost like condensed all the problems into one event. And so that's why I think you've got these predominantly New York-based progressive writers. wonder why Alex Jones was. So the only real differentiator there i guess is either mainstream notoriety or ideological tribe well

27:18 the same because they're connected yeah i don't know at what point last i think it was last year So, in my opinion... So, it makes a good point. rules that got him banned because you know what what darcy said is he's been breaking the rules groups can be, why they often lose these cultural battles. So, but I don't, I think that was the first time, and then he got-

29:47 But what about porn stars? Yeah, like real penetration porn. wants to ban porn the the left and the right they're like whoa hold on hold on it's okay it's right, what do conservatives do? I mean, the GOP couldn't even find a yearbook in the Virginia go ahead anthony kumia told the whole story on this show because it happened with him and and Well, Gavin's crossed the line.

32:08 uh they there's a there's a clip going around of gavin mcginnis where you can hear him saying That is a hilarious story. like a prankster he's like a punk rock style prankster and he likes to burn it to the ground substantially harder to interview someone on the ideological left than anyone else right so i your ideology stand is ambiguous if they're trying to figure it out oh yeah if you're if you're you

34:56 an angry lefty. talking and i said how do you feel about these people dressing all black and you know are fighting I don't care if you're whatever, as long as you're not an authoritarian who thinks you have the right to beat other people to instill you can then predict where things are going. right what unwilling okay really i swear to god yeah yeah cnbc reported this they covered this

37:28 far left to center, and it's kind of making it very difficult for the Democrats to, you know, those ideas will naturally rise to the top of our political space. And then you get crazy stuff, I know what you mean. And when you suppress any ideology, if you are on the left and you suppress the right, it is just going to shore up their defenses and they're just going to harden their line.

39:49 And you don't realize the war was several years. or somebody planted bombs at a statue in Houston. it starts to feel like there's some kind of political violence that is bubbling up What content can make it to the front page of your Facebook profile when you're looking at your news feed? shares really easily but that content constantly being put in front of somebody breeds an ideology.

42:18 What was it called? Are we bootlickers? it's so schizophrenic interviewed Fidel Castro. I know a ton of journalists. They don't do it. articles stopped appearing as much because Facebook wanted friends and family to be more connected where they're sitting in a circle, constantly telling each other the craziest things, and it's forbes and were you telling me that forbes that was essentially is like user contributions

45:16 you know like the left will use certain words and then if like learn to code doesn't appear that Absolutely. They were banned abruptly for literally no reason. No recourse, not so ever. So, I mean, at some point, you have to realize how important Twitter But the fact that he said it it but yet all these people are banned there's some sort of a path to redemption like uh you know for example for milo i mean who's just

48:57 You ever see that tweet from, I'm going to say I think it was Tyler, the creator, where he said, how is cyberbullying real? I think you shouldn't target people for specific characteristics. of it you know what he ultimately got in trouble air quotes for was him talking about the positive He's not in the public conversation as much as he was before.

50:48 Well, I don't know anything about what happened in that capacity. women never about men being victims sometimes they are but he was like oh i just realized that Yeah. Yeah. secrets no no it's not a secret it's a comedy secret it's it's about something but you know Sarah Silverman did it. I don't know. Well, what's crazier is when Kathy Griffin tweets out that the three-pointer hand sign

53:20 See, I'm not going to do it because the photos are going to fly in. They're not using it to mean white power. Where you put the symbol under your waist okay please do donald trump when he talks he makes the okay hand sign well he's he's pointing he's came from 4chan. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The connection to the TV is just... I have no idea. Jamie will figure it out.

55:29 Okay, there's the image. They're not flashing it like you see conservatives do, right? at some point people would think that that is true they were they were promoting this idea that for women's rights that they would you know get away They're playing this little silly game? Okay. because everyone knows that's what it means? You know that punch-em game?

58:20 So then the question is. think their intentions were that's all you i don't have any facts to support that and the only thing a marine event antifa sees Do they watch the news all day? It could mean. to understand when i see that and i see that you cut me out but there's a difference to believe until you're believing the moon landing was fake let me ask you this though don't you think that some people do that

1:01:45 and then this writer from splinter news which uh used to be called fusion i worked there full says it means white power, uh, like if I called you, bird and they would call it the michigan hello yep and so the michigan wave or something like Like, we're having fun. No? man, But people in this country are innocent until proven guilty. of course, absolutely shouldn't have done it. Do I think it means they're white supremacists no they're cops yeah i'm not gonna look i've i i am

1:04:23 So I can't really go beyond that other than i believe their official statement was they were come on man these dudes they probably go to work all day. They talk about football. They go home. people don't know Shane Smith told me. no dude there are some people who don't watch TV. There are some people play video games all day. about what they believe, who they are, because of one thing. You know, if you made a joke,

1:06:37 Another guy did it. like are we really getting to the point where we're going to look at a photo we don't know the he had an anxiety attack. Don't say it. He didn't say it, did he? heard the first guy don't say that it was about it You know, I do laugh sometimes, but I was just like, I started laughing. reading it i said it and i started laughing i'm just like but i i understand what you know some

1:09:33 You know, I made a huge, huge mistake on one of my videos. this big mistake and I said some pretty awful things and I felt so bad I think I've done similar Yeah. It's very unfortunate. did a light edit i published it and then i started getting messages from people and i was like no and then i watched it i was like oh my god dude well it's arrested just like much like lenny bruce before him but to understand how significant he was

1:12:08 funny to me this is the thing man i when i was younger i was i was far left man skin tight black you know, fuck the government. And then I go to this dude's house, who's this really great skateboarder, he's got a picture of Jesus on the wall. And I immediately scoff, like I'm, i mean seems pretty all right i think it's about as spiritual and and loving and it's about, I mean, his whole ideology, the Jesus of the Bible.

1:14:07 Did I actually understand that there were some positive things on the other side? imagine i i god forbid what would happen with george carlin's routines today they wouldn't they bring things back to the way they used to be with offensive you know note nothing on puritanism and Well, equality would be like you equal opportunity. that people like to share.

1:16:38 It says this is equity. stage the debates and says white people don't know what it's like to be poor well that's hilarious He said pay equity, not pay equality. He doesn't want fair pay for everyone based on job. like i don't think you know the average american understands what they're actually saying is you should be paid a flat rate period. And when you're talking

1:20:02 seven cities where women out earn men by seriously high numbers, like up to 20%. That just because you have an advantage because of your education doesn't mean you should earn more than somebody else. why would you try hard why would you because they want money. thing i'm not i'm not doing it you're enjoying this like the end of the tunnel i do it because

1:22:23 I used to travel all the time, you know when I worked at vice been sweden or uh or norway but these two women told me that after like 77 000 per year they tax but I don't know. I'm not an economist, but I do believe a progressive tax makes the most sense. Now, I have no problem with being wealthy. I have no problem with other people being wealthy So all a progressive tax can really do is slow that process down, which I think is a good thing. But ultimately, I think just looking at the system, eventually you end up kind of where we are, where six media

1:25:53 Yeah, these are problems. yeah i think in this country we try to look at success and achievement as something that socialism is not going to work what what what does work i think a mixed economy a mixed economy where and no one does anything to fix it. And the best way to make America great or stronger would be to have less losers. I believe in it with the police department.

1:28:35 hospitals if we can fix the roads then we're doing a lot to reduce crime and reduce poverty and a I was like, for the same reason, We think of him as this extremely articulate, know when it comes to trump what did he do missile strike in syria weapons deal with saudi arab, commando raids in Yemen, a little girl got killed. And I've been, for the most part, very, very critical of him and any other administration who engages in regime change, foreign wars.

1:30:34 But one of the things that really blew my mind is I saw a survey, at least it was going him. Like, are you nuts? to inform me of this. And then it's a multinational, let's talk about the algorithmic about him anymore he's off twitter twitter really is important the president is there How that's not a crime is beyond me. Still running the story That's part of the problem.

1:34:28 But I'm not going to get it all. come on here and start waving my arms and they're screaming they're biased against conservatives It's essentially things that are political correct in terms of like another, who was wrongly terminated from YouTube for highly dubious reasons. And in fact, some of his videos were approved manually for monetization. He wasn't breaking the rules.

1:37:10 the devil's advocate to this question because this happened with myspace myspace still exists Totally different. and it was really weird because and i it's been a any explanation uh i don't believe so and it was Right. Bill Ottman is coming on soon. And when you consider that we're looking at percentages, you can actually see that Twitter's hate speech is in the millions and Gab's is in the tens of thousands.

1:39:44 I think they were wrong to do it. when you're demonetized, context right in the context of which it was used it's it just takes 30 seconds listening to it go influence network lying like there was a media matters wrote about it i politely reached out typewriter or keyboard rather and you know i'm the the guy who started it was at uh politicon you were you kind of we kind of got sidetracked oh it's uh it's i don't i don't know i i can

1:43:01 unaccountable well it's also you don't recognize the consequences of telling people what they can and can't do. what would the conversation be like? Worse. It's his right to do so. should he be banned for that? I think, Alex, I think we should talk. lies about me i still don't think they should be banned right the thing is if you ban them and then someone opposes them but then someone opposes the people who oppose them and they want

1:46:01 This is the real world. Is fake news to be banned? And if there's not, what are we doing? People were claiming things were happening in Sweden a couple years ago. I decided to go check it out. For some reason, a bunch of people believe that I pushed some far right wing conspiracy when I actually – i had a specific oh i okay here we go when i was there joey salads who's a big youtuber

1:48:30 I think he did something really, really bad. If I tell him, if I cuss him out, if I just be mean to You're out. we're saying there's a path to redemption but what ends up happening is they create parallel a lot more people with extreme views simply because it's legal right so they go there naturally right But you know what the media, these people, and when I say the media, I specifically mean

1:51:01 He was a Twitter user. in the book oh sure you gotta you know so i've had conversations with people on here well they'll just immediately start throwing out Yeah. So she's had her share. It's hard to see the troll sometimes. megan trainer just the most ridiculous thing and that he said we need to find a female plant so I think, you know, people accuse me of being a liar.

1:54:31 air points to it saying stash like he's disposing of his drugs with helium balloons so they fly away Well, there's so much fucked up stuff that is real. i say like they're not they're not the uh the bastions of great journalism we don't hold high times on a pedestal next to the Then even watch the videos because you can see in the first video. This is something that's planned.

1:56:45 This guy called for action, couldn't get it done. Don't you think they have a huge staff what Oliver Darcy goes on CNN and says it was media pressure that got Jones banned. Let me write about your take on what's happening. But I will say there's a certain point where I think it's unfair to accuse a journalist of advocating for something simply for covering it.

1:58:58 the dick cavett show it's a hilarious clip and uh he goes um well actually there was a rumor She did something with the migrants? They go up to one of these migrant vessels that does – they say it's a search and rescue vehicle, but that's been a point of debate. know why patreon banned southern and why they don't take action in this regard i reached out

2:01:19 of campaigning to get them banned just like you know alifard arcy was with with with um with jones but uh well and then immediately they slapped that distinction on you as soon as i mean just And this has happened over the course Like a blimp? promised. I had already set up a GoFundMe for the project before. I believe it was before he That's not true.

2:03:51 So the reason I bring this up is because what happens then if you're a conservative and a bunch of friends who work for various news organizations all at the same time write 10 articles saying Joe Rogan is all right. you say you like the media is not one giant conglomerate. These various organizations. The same organizations, but different authors?

2:05:04 I understand. the video game right right this is what we use because apparently he was referencing a very small – like here's what happens. You know what I mean? But then again – Is that a comedy article? I mean, it's just some shitty recipes. it's it's almost like they're uneducated you know vox ran an article claiming that people who hold So the AP said, these are our guidelines, and I'll defer to the Associated Press.

2:08:18 But I quit. not alt-right tomorrow yeah right the the click thing is an issue an issue right um how much of I don't remember the last time I fucking did that. this up is the analogy is that you turn the page yes nobody does you click the link right right but Yeah, please explain that get 20 million views per month, they're going to that's cool but this site gets 60 what do they do well there are some sites this is according to variety modernfarmer.com

2:11:31 here. I don't want to get sued. But Variety said that their traffic went down 17% because someone and i go to you and say according to comscore our network brings in 60 million i didn't lie That's a better analogy. going to take that and then you find out you just got fucking hosed how is that not fraud because utmost respect for for shane smith who um you know i worked at vice we've gone out for drinks they

2:14:58 channel. I was like, wow, congratulations. Does that mean you're moving to Toronto? He goes, It wasn't a couple of years later And again, I'm not trying to be a dick. channel but that's you know shane's uh he's brilliant he really is he's a he's you ever Wow. god the the modern farmer example like the modern farmer what is that i think just the clicks just

2:17:55 ways to inflate your numbers and this attracts investment it'll it also but more importantly There's good reasons to do it, not if you want to be a YouTuber. It's got a bunch of fans. But here's the thing. But we're getting to that point. around bragging about how they got ninety thousand followers and it's like well hold on like you just many of the people don't engage i think that's what it's based on right and that doesn't make

2:21:01 So there's two things. claim they have fake followers but i'll tell you what you could you could easily go online and buy they're not following you anymore. say i just want to let you know and they go no problem yeah but let's say you're somebody with Jeff Bezos. And it's about the Jamal Khashoggi investigation from the Washington Post. Ronan Farrow, it was a story, I think the inquire inquire yeah ronan farrow um

2:24:08 I don't trust the Washington Post, but that's an aside. It's power. Jeff Bezos. The craziest thing about it is, again, allegedly, that the investigator, reporting something doesn't mean they're advocating for it but sometimes they are it's like you got that's the big conspiracy yeah right yeah so i don't i don't know i guess i you know this is Because they wanted to gain control.

2:27:20 Why? uh down here soon um that they were they also had like texas culture they had trans rights they had And some people refuse to cross that divide. And they made it very tribal. Charlottesville. Yeah. They're not arguing with the left or the right. how easy it is yeah and you know the story also terrifying how few people are aware that i mean of this stuff is fairly new and and really kind of uh this is uncharted territory in terms of how

2:31:13 So Patreon, right? most likely paypal i believe i believe they said on the website paypal you know because what happens we're going to end up with tons of systems to a dehydrated man in the desert because they think the wrong thing. I think that's – I've got to be honest. that the system will fail if you know when you talk to a programmer everything's everything's

2:34:17 yeah it's like the the this it was the first video that just shows the one kid standing next to blackout basketball game we have are in black body paint and throwing up three-pointer signs is nazis insulted by far-right racists for being you know a mutt and so i don't like either of it i really It really does. reduce carbon emissions and do great things can we make high-speed rails but then when you come out and say pay the unwilling and these other equity things and intersectionality i'm like

2:37:46 ridiculous they try to out progressive the next step like it's a fundamental right for you to identitarian politics and race equity or whatever. And then you've got the Democrats who are so far left to me, I can't even see them anymore. I want to advocate for them, but we need to figure out how to do it. But my, like where I fit You're Asian. That the high, I mean, that is the school, right?

2:40:04 a meritocracy if you do that um i want to talk to you about universal much like they do. No, it's crazy. It's not a meritocracy if you do that. know but i don't i don't think it's feasible at least right now i do believe that on a technological not a lot but we're a small business we can't really afford to pay more is that acceptable they you a thousand bucks i bet i'll be at the skate park yeah i'll be you know so there's some positives

2:42:34 no uh it's just not my thing but everyone always would think i was stoned because i would talk And he was like, oh, you know, thanks, man. And I was just like, I got to know, can I ask like, hey, what's up, dude? Do you want some food? And he was like, oh, thanks, man. I had a family. But the job I was good at didn't exist, right? I started sleeping outside, and I've been here ever since.

2:44:07 social security, something to help these people. They always make this political, you know, the political compass, authoritarian, libertarian, left, right. And they people like to claim that anarchists like the violent, smashy ones in Antifa are libertarian left. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like, the libertarian left quadrant are pot smoking hippies live on farms. And narco communism makes a ton of sense when it's you and your buddies working together on a farm sharing responsibilities it doesn't make sense for a community of you know 300 million people and you have to trade extremely

2:45:34 You got a bunch of young dudes who want to do something. So, that's, you know, I think this contributes to the popularity of Bernie Sanders and Trump. would be a reasonable way to bring people back into the conversation? Well, if you commit a crime, you get caught, you go to jail. the public sphere it is wrong to permanently exile someone for saying a bad word for holding the

2:47:49 if i get this wrong but i believe leslie jones was tweeting her followers to go to milo as well So what they say is, it's actually a really interesting precedent. That precedent that was used against Daily Stormer is now going to be used against these high-profile celebrities and personalities. A lot of people did delete their tweets, that people who are stupid aren't allowed to social media people who are mentally you have to

2:50:29 that's not even beholden to the US to a certain degree. You know, forgive me for being a little Well, listen, man, I'm really happy you came. you know thank you brother Cool.