Joe Rogan Experience #1245 — Andrew Yang Transcript

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0:00 Very strange. Thanks for having me. Yes. going to give people money they're just going to be lazy nothing's ever going to get done that's to lose 5, 10, 50,000 jobs. It's not something that people intuitively suspect could be a real just manufacturing work. And if you go to a factory, you'll see it's just giant robot arms, in this country right now. It's the most common job in 29 states. And the average trucker is a 49-year-old

4:08 Like this is what actually happened to the workers of Michigan and Indiana and Ohio. rescale some people. But if you look at even the conversations we're having around this, where idea behind it is that it's kind of preposterous And so there's a drive to try and push people in those directions. States right now are administrative and clerical work, retail and sales, food service and food prep,

7:44 in various ways in the numbers. That's Alaska? and social security. Americans are already getting various income support from the government. So the real price just go into your account somewhere and nothing would happen. But we all know that right now, and homelessness services and emergency room healthcare. I was in New Hampshire last month though by giving people a thousand dollars a month i mean think most of the people that are doing

11:56 And maybe, you know, it's like the people around them are also like, mental health improves, relationships improve, domestic violence goes down, This is like the trickle-up economy because none of the money disappears. and every other industrialized country already has this tax. It's called a value-added tax. Yeah, but they're going to get some of that money back, obviously, because one of the things I say

15:37 going to get back yeah yeah like the so the roosevelt institute studied this plan of everyone That's right now. Yes. And so we have 11 years to try and accelerate meaningful solutions. And this 11 years, it's not like it all happens on 2030. It's going to happen between now and then progressively, according to all of the major institutions that have looked at this.

18:39 It's one reason why we call this the freedom dividend. something that's uh experienced by women in the same levels like women and joblessness women this is not something that they worry about. their attitude has transitioned from that somewhat to uh we Well, that's where a lot of them are, Joe. So you can't, you literally cannot compete. to tell a company that they can't do something that's more efficient safer and probably economically

22:46 But on the other side, you have literally three and a half million truckers who rely upon this for their livelihoods, to support their family. get their guns out, because a lot of these guys are ex-military, I mean, I don't know if you knew truckers where you were. And they're, like, plugged into this machine of this truck and the industry. there's so much endurance baked into that job yeah that i think most of them will be

25:22 it's like hundreds of millions of dollars worth of economic harm very, very fast. And that industrial revolution included mass riots. And the first stage is going to be that there's a human driver just sitting there as a fail-safe, and the truck is going to drive itself. And so then there'll be a bunch of reactions. think that the job is going to disappear in the next five to 10 years, you can't get people in. So if you play out what happens when the robot trucks start reducing

29:25 And I don't say that lightly. then happen to the truckers, but at an even more dramatic scale. So you'll see truckers going home I mean, this is not like people doing it because they think that these Tesla recharge stations So I'm running for president in large part because I think we need to get in front of kind of path to the future. And it's not like, if I lose this trucking job, not only am I going to,

32:17 two. How, when you're out on the campaign trail and, you know, you're talking to media and you're And then you're, like, no, it's not robots actually, like, walking around your neighborhood. imagination. Like we actually are getting rid of the most common jobs in the US economy filled by like essentially near zero. So I'm with this trucker in Iowa.

34:59 of a certain background, then the suffering somehow is like, somehow like diminished. So the next obvious one is call center workers. AI is going to become indistinguishable from a person. that's better than one of it's a lot of information getting passed back and forth. Cashiers, as you said, truck drivers, And so their incentives to try and automate this are very, very high.

38:12 experienced doctor can probably reference thousands. And so radiology, I'll tell you, Oh, and when I was digging into the research, Joee it's been happening and it's tearing us apart i mean i referenced the fact that so here are some things that are all time at all i spend extra time commuting maybe i can save a couple bucks and so what it does is And so if I make you cash strapped and make it so you can't pay your bills, you're actually more likely to be like, yeah.

40:45 I'll tell you, very, very few entrepreneurs this $1,000 is yours no matter what. getting married starting a business having a kid moving for a new job all of those things are at Jamie, I don't know if you want to look this up, At a high to There it is. Is that the idea? an act of like prosperity or optimism. buying most of their goods and clothes and stuff on it's a range of factors but one of the big

45:29 Like the robots are coming, the robots are coming. elephant look like and then one of them's touching the trunk and is like an elephant looks like a automate these jobs man they're like oh yeah we're gonna to automate these jobs. And they're like, oh yeah, we're going to automate these jobs. And what I tell people is like, to this presidential candidate is kind of warning people about the upcoming technological apocalypse

48:19 low six figures to start this new organization. And then we trained hundreds of entrepreneurs parents, hey, I want to be an entrepreneur, your parents will think that's stupid. It's hard to find and no one's going to give you $100,000 They're blaming racism, Russia, Facebook, the FBI. And if you look at the voter district data horrific. What are we going to do? And then the answers I got were somewhere between disappointing

51:09 So number one is, so number one was can't talk about it. And I looked at my kids and I was like, am I really going to bring them up in this shit show? are the two major, major obvious sectors that are going to get displaced. saying like, okay, like what's the plan? And then when I went to various politicians, I was like, that you can win well joe i wouldn't be running if you wouldn't right i believe that but but if

54:40 have known that you were running if it wasn't for Sam. I appreciate that, man. But now, happily, everyone who's a fan of yours, which is apparently everybody, now knows I'm running. check. Only rules. That's it. So then you get into the process and you say, okay, of the United States? The threshold question is this, can I get 40 to 50,000 Iowans on board

56:39 and seeing the forecast, particularly from your position as a serial entrepreneur jail. Those are the two possibilities. What are the other issues that you feel that people are families and try and make the economy more dynamic. And we spend twice as much on healthcare it up during the Great Depression. Self-driving trucks are going to drive GDP way up, but it's

59:35 measurement we made up to to things that would actually correspond to how we're doing things the the two causes that people point to the most are that drug overdoses and suicides have overtaken I meant car accidents. suicides number two wow uh and so that's why life expectancy has declined for the last and you think It's punitive. massive rethinking of

1:02:50 Right. So, one important aspect of that is to actually start measuring how we are doing as a society and saying that's actually where we're trying to go. you know like there's not a job for me. but starting a bakery is a dumb idea because people just do not have money in that town to The money helps set the stage for the solutions. actually have it work out well the the idea that they're going to look out for truck drivers

1:06:11 meaning uh for many many people here in this country well obviously we're talking about a only a human being can do which is a really weird way to think about it because most of the things Yeah, it does make perfect sense. kinds of paths instead of saying college, administratively and what would you do about that like you know bernie sanders wants to have

1:08:38 I used to call my school loans my mistress When you think about how many people that run corporations that have racked up, Yeah, real criminals like Bernie Madoff went to jail. a guy who's in his 50s who's an ophthalmologist who's uh deeply in debt still so crazy yeah it You can have a payment plan. So if you're the government, you can be like, hey, loan company, guess what?

1:11:17 rates are at multi-decade lows is that we are up to 1.5 trillion dollars in school debt it's like 38k ahead that was like 100 billion in like 1999 administrators it has not gone to faculty. at all like i and i understand it because i've run a large shot. If you come out of college, you're doing a job that doesn't really require a degree. Yeah. And as automation kicks in, this is obviously going to bottleneck.

1:14:33 But one of the things I've discovered school students are in technical or vocational training in germany that's 59 give you a sense when a lot of those careers are actually really awesome lot of stuff that college graduates think they're gonna get a job in but then those jobs are going if you abandoned like the idea of higher learning, I mean, it's so common.

1:17:20 graduating in six years and a lot of them are just not going to finish ever so like the the people They go to trade school. people have outside of what you're talking about so far with automation, taking away jobs and, and I think people would expect that just to look at me. And so what I say is first, like how did that happen? to deport 12 million people i mean like whole regional economies would collapse like you can't

1:20:36 yeah and so that's where we should go and some republicans were on board with that until they silicon valley entrepreneurs are either immigrants or children of immigrants um and that's true uh And the truth is that even if we have this pathway, they're going to be a significant proportion of people who just do not trust us enough to actually say, hey, I'm here and I'm going to like enter the pipeline.

1:22:37 Right, and that's what I'm saying is that a lot of people might decide, Or work rather with free taxes. And it'd be enormous for them because a lot of them have kids. I'm going to high-five them on the way out, and I'm going to be a very popular man that day. Yeah, what do you do about that? of thousands of oxycontin prescriptions and that company man that company got fined 635 million

1:26:05 drug turns out it caused a super plague of lethal addiction for hundreds of thousands of americans um you know for in the hospital wasn't life-threatening it makes no sense it's crazy so thing you know they can't get off of them and it's just it's devastating and it's so common it's it's here you go come on what are you in pain here you go come on take a little of this take a little of

1:28:35 the way many of them would see the problem if their paycheck was unrelated to the amount of Yes. where good people go into government, is that then Republicans are going to look at it Freaking every state would be into it. for 37 years is wildly popular so i'm what i'm suggesting when you say like hey you become but also independents, And as long as the government is completely like, you know,

1:31:42 Who could be against freedom? I have two jobs, man. people ask me like, Hey, who do you want your running mate to be? And I'm just like, it really kneecap bernie um i don't know it's like that interferes with anyone's prospects. the the scale for uh so bernie bernie is still running though right um it looks like But he didn't do that. phone it's like and he keeps walking it's like i know that's a stupid thing to but it's like huh

1:35:48 New Hampshire? But the fact that that, it was just because it was a loud, that has happened is we're willing to forgive so much more you know i mean in some ways yeah You're trying to elevate your profile. to make the economy they're like oh man yeah like yeah that's like a real problem and unions have been where they're going to bring all the candidates up.

1:39:10 For that, given the enormity of the occasion, the automation wave is like driving a lot of them because it's making people less functional an interesting idea i like that a lot because the problem joe is that a lot of our regulatory country right now, to me, someone step up and take that, joke that my fans are even cheaper than bernie's the thing with people is you gotta make

1:42:19 that could use a thousand bucks a month just go to yang2020.com nominate them and then we'll pick nothing stopping the majority of citizens in a democracy from voting ourselves a dividend job. I'm just like, you know, my job actually just tends to result in other people losing their jobs. you'd rather undertake it than undergo it. particularly once I started talking to Elon about it.

1:45:18 What's the downside if you go too late? if we were displacing labor are already there man leaving the workforce like drug overdoses Yeah, sure. that will make your life very very painful and inconvenient and the and the people of united the tech companies to uh to prevent this almost impossible almost impossible almost impossible investment okay like they he's such an entrepreneur youtuber. I don't have a manhanger.

1:49:25 like you know i mean you couldn't even put a dollar figure on it so you have to just say like you know, then you have to start protecting our information as fast as possible and you also in my mind have democracy you still need some information to vote so we need to try and find new ways for you to get I wish you well. Thank you, sir.