Joe Rogan Experience #1272 — Lindsey Fitzharris Transcript

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0:00 Okay, here we go. Five, four, three, two. Yes, and we're live. Hello, Lindsay. What's Well, I'm a PhD. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. And the release it and it would spin sort of automatically. Oh God. to recreate it for my my youtube channel now when you in those old days when they didn't have product Listerine. But it wasn't even a mouthwash in the 19th century.

2:38 No, I don't endorse that. stuff inside your mouth like I'm not filled to the rafters with ticketed spectators. People actually bought tickets Now I really need to look into that. He's 6'2". I mean, if we just sat here for 30 seconds with dead air time and you could think about, you know, hacking through that leg. Or just scream for 30 seconds with dead air time and you could think about you know hacking through that

4:48 There he is. It's unknowable. just to like illustrate how different this was that's the face i wanted i wanted to just be Died of fright? No, he just cut their coat as he was kind of switching instruments. People are getting their limbs hacked off. Thank you. It did not work. No, he died. i'll tweet it later for people there you go if people want to see it well tweet twitter is the

8:31 It seems to be dependent upon how many people complain. Yeah. I know. think they just want to do something they just want to press that button yeah oh i'm mad there we go yeah i know i get uh you know at this point there's so many objects that that can cause people about the history and we also should be really thankful that these people went through

9:50 It was that guy. That's interesting. Yeah, and they're standing sometimes um i i give lectures at this incredible And I really want to get this made into a movie. several of them, He comes to Robert Liston, the fastest knife in the West End, in 1828, Yeah, it's incredible when you see that painting. so it is incredible um you get such crazy stories like there's a woman who has a mastectomy

13:01 So hospitals were places for the poor. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And she talks about how it's so vascular that the blood blinds him at one point. Like, how do they handle this? Oh, yeah. 2 000 years old of metastatic cancer so it's older than you think they're um diagnosing it for for And so Joseph Lister, when he comes up with his antiseptic techniques, he actually performs a mastectomy on his sister on his dining room table.

15:56 it more entertaining let's make this happen joe i have no pull i'm not a part of that world but So they stuck a rod down the penis and they cut through the scrotum and they removed the definitely didn't happen. Unless someone can prove me wrong. Maybe there's like a weird example, that? You're sitting there on the table and you're being blamed for this going wrong. And he pulls

17:58 Blaming the guy. that was what got the show canceled yeah that was uh the It was a blessing in disguise. barber surgeons used to do things like pull your teeth they used to bloodlet and so the barber pole which What do you think it would be like to go back in time and hear someone say something that stupid? Like, you're sick. We need to remove some of your blood. You have too

20:58 So this is kind of one of these stories that pops up. When they're cutting bullets out of you, it says bullets removed, two bucks. Oh, God. Yeah, and we get the red, blue, and white barber poles now. they would advertise by putting just bowls of congealed blood in the window. today that in 100 years we're going to look back at? And there's definitely going to be stuff,

23:49 so either and i and i like to point people to the past because if we're going to make fun of So people used to actually eat dead bodies for medicinal purposes. And so you get these sort of drawings of people gathered at the scaffold. So they were drinking the blood of executed criminals. See, there you go. Yeah, I have a cadaver graft on my right knee.

26:10 And then they had to graft a little piece of cadaver bone an acl so it's stronger and if you don't are you familiar with the way it works it's really kind perception of how strong it actually is and fighters yeah in particular i know several I mean, when you think about 150 years ago that I'm talking about and today. There was another, there was a little boy.

28:25 they brought him to the operating theater and he was so awake and so aware he remembers counting he starts to put it together but when he first comes out with it you know there's a lot of pushback But back then, a surgeon didn't wash his hands or his instruments that meant that your surgeon was very experienced and had a lot of blood on it. have worn those really tall top hats and those crazy plaid colors. And it's a very colorful

31:07 and those bright colors and those top hats. being very hedonistic and colorful. And there's a lot of drugs going on they're discovering ether and all kinds of under ether in 1846 in London. And he doesn't think it's going to work. It comes from America. launch but they were like just have a bunch of ubers ready yeah exactly just yeah or carriages comes along and is presented as sort of a cure to the opiate, the morphine addiction.

34:20 Bayer invents heroin. they were trying to connect this to the idea that people from Egypt 1992, performed by Svelta Balabanova. concentrations in the body. archaeologists are not just being stubborn about this. It seems like it's going to take a long time. afield as India. it's interesting. Don't eat that poppy, Victorian era. The cocaine. After the experiments,

38:47 You know, they ground them up and did all kinds of things. Cure-all mummy. Yeah. Yep. different uh tombs that they had discovered and how they discovered them. But it makes you really, when they've discovered King Tut's tomb, them up and all kinds of things yeah it's what what gets me is what was the mode like where was And that's why it's important when you're studying the history of medicine to really

41:11 So this, a lot of people think this is a Venetian mask. They're sort of associated with bad smells. I don't believe there's an example of a real one That's a real one. they could do for you they had a stick as well that they would sort of poke the patient with So there was an idea that these things were contagious. like if you went you know if you go to venice they they say plague doctor mask it's funny because i

44:56 how would that attach to your face those are like straps or something yeah there would have been The hazmat. the wrong reasons he still didn't understand how disease was spread are you aware of the theory of strange and cold and they think that what this is is they're they're saying that we had this idea And then you're just like taken out. Yes. the abduction thing is they put like cameras in people's rooms and uh and they say they have these

47:52 Yeah. the women who would spread the word in the village and men were not really allowed in. Or if the baby was coming out feet first. And he takes the instruments that he uses to castrate his pigs to cut this baby out of his wife. And for people who don't know, they castrate pigs to make them more edible they uh they oftentimes uh castrate them and then let them loose because

51:28 For one piece So it was not good Some of them you can eat. Yeah. historian like when what first of all what led you to that like why you seem so normal thing that's why they don't understand how do you shrink your head yeah and it's it's amazing because um as Westerners came into these areas, they were um yeah killed in battle and so it's just kind of interesting, but I got to interact and see the shrunken head.

54:21 And I'm like- Yeah, I guess she's missing. and then I went to Oxford, and I did a master's and PhD in it. really I appreciate that you know it's funny because there is this sort of tension between doctor's trying to kill you and every tweet was like um coca rats cocaine laced cigarettes which you know, And, I know. God, it's so. there were sports and competitions,

57:49 and it created this huge aneurysm. and I want to tie off the blood supply to the aneurysm. It's like a – what's the term? It's a specific kind of aneurysm and think of a brain. Right. It's like a, what's the term? If you severed it, yeah, I don't know. that leg is on display at the surgeons uh um sorry at the royal college of surgeons in london so they

59:36 And the other part of me was saying, what is the difference between this and like fucking Yes. Right, right, right. as well did you ever see that movie with benicio del toro uh i think it was just the wolf man it Frankenstein. this doctor is uh very arrogant and they're dealing with him and the moon turns full and he starts freaking out. I'm a giant werewolf fan i am this is one of the best ever um because this was actually

1:03:12 But they would have been just so crowded. because i love werewolf movies yeah yeah it would have been fun to shoot yeah well it's um listening. I, you know, I could sell the rights to the book, but I've held on to them and I'm input at all right um but yeah i just think that you know it's it's a great story because it's it There you go. I was thinking Eddie Redmayne, the British actor who's like, he's so sweet and Lister's a very sort of likable. Who's that guy?

1:06:30 So if you're listening, Benedict. There we go. The guy who jumps off. And just falls down and passes out from fright. And I'm working on a new book on the history of plastic surgery. You think we have no problems in the 21st century and you look at these guys because but losing your face of World War I People always mention that. And what people put themselves through, right?

1:08:54 Well, I had Jonathan Haidt on the podcast who wrote this book, And then you see someone like Kylie Jenner who transforms herself literally from an ugly duckling to a beautiful swan. Wow, that's the end? It really is. Yeah. so you sit there for 12 hours, maybe you die in the process. yes um you know and now we have face transplants, which are incredible.

1:11:44 It was 18, I think it was an 18-year-old girl who shot herself in the face. to what Gilly's doing to where we are today your face and you can change things about your face and it's just we're we're all becoming more I know. of her photos with no makeup on and then they put the makeup on her oh my gosh yeah i didn't know because celebrities like yourself have to really think about how your image is used after you're

1:14:24 And so a lot of these surgeons get hold of these bodies to dissect. And they were really clever in the ways they did it. people. So if you went to the like to say goodbye to your Nana and drop some flowers on a grave, I put up a picture of something called the cemetery gun. So they had these devices that they would put at the foot of the grave, and it had like a trip wire.

1:16:27 That's from your Instagram or your Twitter feed. Yeah. He wouldn't dig up the whole grave. and you'll see them a lot in britain um and they're they were people were very paranoid about I talk about the dead house. And so you get examples of people cutting themselves and dying within 48 hours so going And yeah, so it's kind of like, it would have smelled dissection would have,

1:19:33 Yeah, well, they had a fireplace at the end of the room as well. Oh, wow. it it's horrific um very disfiguring children with it it's just and it was so common it was It's not like chickenpox. big protest, All the, factors that, Confirmation bias is the real danger. news uh uh newscaster who recently said that he doesn't wash his hands because he can't see germs

1:23:58 patients because if they weren't washing their hands, they were leading to higher mortality Civil War, people were dying, soldiers were dying of high infection rates. They were packing wounds The guy in the middle, it is gross as well, but the guy in the middle is Samuel Gross. It's called the Gross Clinic. The guy in the middle, it is gross as well,

1:25:13 can't get in anymore. and she's the mother of the patient. that Lister is able to change the world. What made you choose different covers for the UK and But she was working towards sanitation in hospitals. So you see that on the cover as well. person who asks this question. And I have to spell myself and I'm like, here it is. And they say, He's doing it a little bit before Lister

1:29:08 just picks whatever covers they want basically um so my u.s publisher had come up with this It's so evocative. i use for under the knife um that's the real one so what would happen is if the person got an erection it would clamp down Kellogg was obsessed with masturbation. it sort of delicious oh yeah oh yeah that's that was uh um's idea. It was the brother's idea to add the sugar and make it sort of delicious. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:31:34 No, no. I doubt it. With the infallible and modestly priced jugum penis There's a lot of dudes out there right now that can relate. a flaccid penis there's another one this is really high yeah they came in all shapes and sizes and So it must be like a hook where you could strap it in. Yeah, just show him the... I thought you know when I was going on the show

1:34:00 They thought that it was causing all these ailments Yeah, exactly. And make it pretty fucking awesome. You know, you add marshmallows and chocolate. them into their meanwhile little did he know that someone would invent s'mores yeah exactly Yeah, the idea that the womb wanders. But there was, I believe, and I could be wrong on this, that there was a Victorian idea that a woman had to orgasm in order to become pregnant.

1:36:04 Exactly. If you want to get a woman pregnant, make sure she orgasms. taught me that in high school what are you serious what high school is this or like exactly if you the idea that you couldn't be raped right unless you nothing wrong with it other other than yeah i don't remember your sex ed i'm not sure if that Yes. different from us which it is in some ways

1:38:40 date to the medieval period They tasted the urine as well. Oh, my God. That this a guy And we cut through images The urine flask used to be it. Oh, my God. At least piss prophets are basing it on something. you know your urine into that divination bowl i know there's so many images of Nothing good. and it would get louder as they got closer to pulling the tooth which would make me more anxious oh my god um and

1:42:06 Yeah, they lost their noses. Oh my God, it ate right through his head. some noble person got syphilis and started wearing a wig yeah and when they started wearing wigs I mean, your teeth fall out. I wonder if the women had syphilis. So people would get together. And actually, one of the ways that they treated syphilis Yeah, they all just stand there with top hats and underwearnose club. Yeah, they might have STDs. Yeah.

1:44:42 form of rhinoplasty So, yeah, it was so uncomfortable. All the way into the 19th century. Syphilis, hidden between powder waste. Syphilis epidemic in the late 1500s europe left people His mom started thinking worried baldness might hurt syphilis. too like well there's sort of modern sensibilities like that just looks so bizarre well not only yeah mean i think that you know we we shouldn't look at science and medicine

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