Joe Rogan Experience #1283 — Russell Brand Transcript

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0:00 boom and we're live russell why is it then when people start getting like super spiritual That's a mistake that wouldn't, like, if there was an assault course in front of us, didn't have a lot of grounding physical experiences or bodily experiences really till adolescence until That's a much nicer term. life is a sort of a 12-step model about watching my impulses my impulses have got me in a lot of

3:18 And I'm only learning that now because I've had drugs like you know drugs then fame then and chaos and i've only just emerged Like you are very comfortably you. let those things get in the way of how i evaluate other people we should all be more like that i And people don't want to talk to each other. I mean mean i don't know how real that is of actual people i'm talking i suppose

5:48 or you're concentrating on whatever it is, the wall, build that wall, whatever it is. identity no i completely agree and i think we're probably moving towards some sort of understanding that a lot of these boundaries and these clans of, you know, states and countries, they were all established without our consent before we were born. And we're just, we're a part of a system that we just were, we didn't agree to it. We just all of a sudden found ourselves in it, and we're trying to make it fit us. Yeah, that's right. And there's aspects of it that are appealing.

7:32 And the inclination to form teams Not that much. I don't agree with that. and like sort of funny and sweet and she's very young if you really stop and think about what's Yeah. But the repercussions of slavery, the echoes of slavery still exist. what in the fuck like this is am i just a part of something that's never going to be fixed and never Hold on a second.

11:54 would go around murdering each other and raping each other, when greece had that mad revolution he was like one of the leaders of a party syriza and for a individual decisions you know it's it's a self-sustaining system it won't come up Well, that is the one area of your life where you've got some authority and control. But if you find a mentor in an area where you're looking to improve they can kind of energize awaken energies within you that on

15:15 with your background in martial arts and stuff mentorship seems pretty much stitched into that first get into uh like you know i've picked up stuff over the various shows of yours that I've listened to. a lot and running into bullies that was the way the media talks about it but in its purest form and teenage boys they get together and they you wind up doing crazy things this is i you know when i hear something like that it's difficult not

18:47 reward systems that we have built in the way it's affecting our society and the way it's affecting representing one aspect of our nature and prioritizing it logic uh organization but what bloody podcast that you and i tagged a minute ago before we was recording who's that guy philosophize ideas resourced from there to govern all of our systems you know even listen to you talk about

21:41 aspect ai will build systems that that are predicated on rationalism How do you incorporate that vulnerable kid? just who I am as a vulnerable, flawed human being that still feels connected to the kid I was have to honour that we are both, we're vulnerable and flawed, but also capable of greatness. And at depth, Yeah, I think when a guy like kevin hart shows you what a positive and motivational uh impact

24:42 And when someone like that does spread a positive message, you know, and obviously he's got, venom that people spray at each other at the end of the day that this is not benefiting anyone and who you used to be all that stuff is fuel for people because they can relate they hear it i mean tell me what it's called what is it this book is called mentors and actually i read like i read it

26:58 I'm not saying this is what I've got to say on open guard to transition. is where the control for the timer is and the control for the music is and where the kit is that's all to fields and allotments and putting frogs on fireworks if you've got a way of dealing with i don't know assertion or whatever these like you And if you're a woman who's had negative experiences with men,

30:17 People get excited. But everybody is okay as long as they respect you and they're kind to each other. as we associate certain behaviors and characteristics with either negativity or she loved me so and i'd like i'll take a matriarchal figure wherever i can find one and gabby used to i didn't want a son or you know in particular i love this kid i love this kid regardless you know

32:53 of the population so like that is an example of the external feminization of a child like so when life and let them find their path that That's what's weird, right? We can extrapolate that to, You know, you know, The demonization of sexuality is also a problem you know yes it is almost as much of a problem as people who will prey upon vulnerable people the

35:45 there's anything wrong with that there's nothing wrong with it it's if that's what she likes that's You see that a lot with people that are celebrating trans women. that stuff like you know so in british culture there's a different system of like a different system for referencing it i And they don't like when they see it in other women because they're not comfortable with their own bodies.

38:48 me and my wife, how we parent our kids. It's just my wife, you know, regardless of our respective sexes, and i spoke in fact to that gabor mate that expert on addiction he's amazing and he says because of that ain't what i meant i'd like you know i'm not saying that because my wife is a woman she should Yes, we got confirmation. They get way more engaged and they go back and forth and interact with these posts way more if they're upset than they do if they agree with it.

42:16 thing it is resourced from human perspectives and because that is a type of ai you know not as this is the ways that i felt inferior today this is the ways that i'm trying to become a better man with someone who does my social media and like she gives me stuff like here i'll respond to these And I've been guilty of this in the past before I sort of realized what I was doing.

44:57 things that caused the more visceral i saw someone saying something was untrue like fuck you that's a monk in a marriage that's basically where i live get up meditate do yoga do exercises do But in unavoidable dynamics, the unnecessary dynamics like, you know, as a father and dealing with colleagues and stuff like that. We're just in a BJJ class. So I chat to Tony Robbins.

47:32 There's always going to be unaddressed and undeveloped aspects of yourself, I was so weird back then. i ever did where people like respected me and they liked me for it you know i'm like wow this is like Yeah. classes helped me a lot as well because when you're teaching you're breaking down techniques Yeah, for sure. black belt like john jock machado is a black belt is that there's levels to even to that so i always

50:37 and then the next defense will expose this and then you keep going and going and going and going How often do you train? Come on, don't hurt me. like the hard end of purple belt and dave uh paul busby and like there's people like their hands and their feet getting my head kicked in in bus stops, you know, and stuff like this. No, no, you're going to have to get used to that if you're going to be doing this.

53:16 right and like he weren't actually applying a submission but there's just the sheer discomfort you defend and you get out. Never bother trying. Even turning up at a new place like I'm doing here in L.A. and making those new relationships and doing that. It would be videoed. know it's not dished out like it's nice to know that there's some kind of order an area where

55:51 belt it's just it's irrefutable and that's how it should be and it's a beautiful thing about the art they used a lot of discredited studies and there's a lot of epidemiology studies that'll connect So let's pull up the definition. And then they find, oh, well, there's more instances of diabetes in people that eat meat. And there's very little evidence that shows there's anything wrong with eating meat

58:20 where you have allergies to it or you have real problems digesting it in that it takes you out of the exploitation of animals. But you could have pasture-raised eggs if you get them from a good farm. I lost nine of them to coyotes just last month, maybe two months ago. documentary mate is that it it tuned in to my pre-existing belief when it said stuff like oh

1:00:26 I think they did. it makes you store fat. Do you do any, I feel like i've heard you talk about Yeah, but they also have... Well, you saw with video games. things i get very addicted to things if there's something that i get obsessed with like jujitsu Hyperhuman, you're going to create It's actually made from pig's thyroids. Yeah, that's a wrap. really should you should eat you should eat some animal protein without i mean if you oppose the moral aspect of killing an animal which i totally understand and appreciate

1:04:23 what you're freezing them yeah yeah freezing them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Utah is great. even freak out as much delightful never seen that before what's that oh my brain what are these look yeah tired not tired might be late afternoon actually can you tell if it was late afternoon But, like, the elk, I couldn't, I've got too much empathy in me it when you're doing it when you're pulling the trigger you're not having what's going on in your mind well you you only are hunting these mature animals that have already passed on their genes

1:07:05 everyone did the argument it's a good argument because you if you're encouraging people to hunt And so when someone would want meat, someone would either have to hunt it for you, and so the fish and game department gets funded, and also population conservation, pheasants look at their feathers they're beautiful you know i mean like it wouldn't it's not a

1:09:59 explore who they are and so my i've let go of judging people around things that i don't agree with what it is to be human whether that's sacred or pragmatic we don't know what human beings are anymore we reject our own I don't take drugs. So I'm fascinated. So you're worried that that is a gateway, that CBD, which is not necessarily psychoactive. It says THC?

1:12:33 It says there's an 11 and a 1. This one goes back in. experiences in psychedelia at such length and with such lucidity and with so many philosophical hungers for it do you worry that you're DMT is interesting in that, first of all, it's very quick. that's probably there all the time if there is a uh omnipresent continually existing realm that human beings aren't accessing because of the particular biochemical formulation of consciousness

1:15:45 like so you read you can look at a geometrical pattern and read meaning into it it had an there's these beings they've told me we're all one we have to love each other scholars in jerusalem And also when you think of, it i can't help but think that that should become our priority to have a relationship with that realm and to bring about that experience i don't even mean in a literal way because even terence

1:18:39 profound effect on their depression my friend neil brendan's gone through several of them He's like, oh, yeah. but it's apparently profoundly, conditions whether that whether that mental illness is schizophrenia depression or addiction meant to be recreational in fact they never were i was never hey man this is crazy i was always and that my individual identity isn't my real identity and i'm connected to everything and

1:21:32 I guess I'm, you know, hungry to sort of feel it in a way that's like, oh my God, now there is no doubt. I mean, there's a lot of time, a lot of time, a lot of energy. of what i would call my individual consciousness like oh i'm not this this isn't who i am this is narrativized that you're going to meet characters and stuff like that and it's and it's going to be

1:24:05 you've created your own, like you create your own business and your own success, like this, starting to live it so like that and i but all of us are on some journey to self-actualization and realization And what you can do is express yourself. So you're doing it right so it can be done so it's don't you're doing it you know it's all just a matter you get when you release an arrow

1:26:40 that it's so all-encompassing. to feel that it's amazing to feel that that your inner life can express itself in the material on the way here. I think it makes the bright colors brighter most of the hassle of life. kevin hart we were talking about how admirable i find his positivity to be. It made me think. It's so real. It's unbelievable. I don't do that, though.

1:29:43 You know, I don't know if it's in stand-up warps your material because you've got to appeal to them. or go Largo and they after so like i'm interested to you that's part of that what i think some people could reductively you'd feel nothing. appreciate what you're saying but say you believe in the purity of stand-up as being some real and that they can explore themselves.

1:32:40 that would be really funny. and all that kind of thing? I mean, maybe it's stand-up comedy. I guess, apparently. so yeah exactly the reaction you're having is the reaction they were having like so some of the uncertainty in a room a kind of a sense of chaos and what's happening and then bring it back i hope that may or may not even be there to see you most likely is not if you go to a comedy club and

1:35:58 You understand how to captivate people's attention and keep them engaged and to respect their time, respect their point of view, You're doing it in these 15-minute chunks. you know like robin williams or chapelle's the the you know the all-time greats they went they go in oftentimes people never correct it or they never they never adjust it they never go back and

1:38:25 trying to kill you it gives you cancer you know like something like what was the journey of that discussed you're hurling through forever there's a fireball in the sky it's a million times bigger times bigger than the earth fireball and i when you say if you could got to basically have these are some facts about the sun are irrefutable yeah now here is how that

1:41:29 and admissions and acknowledgments of humiliation and shame and vulnerability and travels out to the terrible gigs that have gone badly, and he is hilarious. But it it's very interesting to me and perhaps it's because of that background whereas, say, a Chappelle, it feels like he's just going, study like if you read outliers um and you read how people when

1:44:06 fame and temptation i think better than anyone i've ever heard of he just said fuck you and he And Dave, I think Dave was like 18 or 19 at the time, And then, of course, he did his two recent Netflix specials were amongst his best work ever. know that like they're a yogi or a priest or something 46 or 47? It was like, look at this guy. And then after that, I mean, he's basically just done stand-up

1:47:57 you know we were talking about like this hicks and gracie of stand-up comedy level because that's i've really learned some powerful lessons there from the story of the apotheosis of comedy that Dave Chappelle's achieved. it's not launched i don't know but you know you know like that you're going to leave listeners a month like that yeah you get like trevor noah lena dunham mine how many

1:50:32 to pay for people to run it patreon or something like that for yeah listener supported stuff sam harris was doing that for a Yeah. whatever like you know as we have seen there's a point where there is sort of censorship is a He just gave it to me. there no not when he's asking him to choke him here i went to flat earth no this one Back it up for the beginning there.

1:53:07 I got to pee, too. What if I finance a research ship and make a documentary? I got the money. We're going to do this. Yes. You know what? I came here and I proved they're keeping babies alive and taking them to the radios. No, the governor. Who would do that? I am ready to beat your fucking ass. I'm getting pissed now. But imagine, I'm going to piss a little bit.

1:55:41 they have human-animal hybrids. I'll keep the buy you a big comfortable. You can't have Eddie Bravo on all the time. you know when he's talking about animal human hybrids we started pulling up these studies For sure they're trying to create super soldiers. Now we need, look, we've got a nice contract with this defense contractor and they're going to.

1:58:34 So you've got a murderous robot that eats people. the battlefield kick it over no that's the first thing we established is you can't kick it dream up someone's trying to turn a buck off it and they've taken it to the extent of the non-kick Oh, my God. things are i don't like i don't like their gate joe that's an unpleasant gate yeah you should be In it

2:00:57 Where the lady gets And it's terrifying. He's amazing. should we pull back what did he he just pulled up a thing that said they're making that now. That probably means it'll produce a hundred of them. filming. We should get one. So when we see it on the screen, we think, oh, no, we're doing that thing. meaning there is more to life than what we can understand i listened to the brian cox episode

2:04:26 we're building on this platform. and yeah the guy works at cern i mean he's a brilliant brilliant man so of course he thinks I can, although he said, Do you believe in God as a concept? living breathing goddess i believe that we i believe yes that and that we can commune with it realizations and each of these changes we always think we're at the summit we never know what's

2:07:25 How does that affect how we relate to one another? The progressive technological route, You know, there's definitely pros and cons with the creation of technology. as things evolved, doesn't register to them they see movement so we have a far more complex system of recognition telescope and other telescopes you're using technology to gain awareness and to see more

2:10:20 how do we maximize profit there is no like the influence of how do we do what's right that's out of capitalism is bad here i am promoting a book using an iphone oh you know i mean i'm we're I sometimes think, well, who is benefiting from how it is now? always want to push further no one's comfortable where they are they always want to be in a better

2:13:15 who knows what it would look like. But there would be no incentive for them to compete against all And yeah, I don't want some clunky weird at once if space is infinite like you know that bit of yours of like you know to try and fathom there is nothing that can oppose it or regulate it we're starting to see this kind of breakdown not you can be spiritual and funny and like what are you doing can you carve that path out for

2:16:35 years in some really unproductive bullshit way that's not satisfying at all because i just want i think it's because it's frustrating when you don't have a say yeah like if two people like Eventually, you get better. experience that is valuable yes so it's not like that and i've got over the idea that you recognize that everyone's individual experience that is valuable yes so it's not like

2:18:32 if you are not economically valuable to this system, become an individual you know they force their children to follow their own rigid ideology and Sure. And this Wilson family has been physicians since 1820. and he sawed off legs in England, yeah thank you where's my gold star where's my ticker tape parade um but like uh so but like at what's natural and what's correct i'm you know what do i know i think with hunting hunting is like

2:22:02 in like the 1800s. They're animals bad about everything i'm hungry what about yeah i wouldn. I wouldn't swat a mosquito. But then you're out. I get a kick out of these celebrity dudes doing jiu-jitsu, too. Yeah, it might not be relevant at all, but I'm trying to know trying to i think demi lovato is like a purple belt or some shit she's eggs and see how much better you feel or eat eat animals that are assholes. Find animals that are assholes in the woods.

2:25:00 And he sent it to me but it takes a long time too if you if you haven't seen the video, it's a long one. It's very rare that you actually see an animal kill an animal. it's just you don't they have to read also they have to like when with large-scale hey why don't we not have monoculture anymore because it's uh unfair and it's unreasonable do like i'm going to watch myself and i'm going to watch that behavior and i'm going to try and

2:28:43 google a little bit we're going to try and reduce emissions this amount now i'll go listen we growing definitely i mean that that's i agree with you back from a gig and there was a woman like a car broke down the to be recognized when you're not recognized at all i always think oh i'm not being at all You do this. is he burning is he welding what is he doing it didn't emit heat all right fair enough yeah this

2:31:35 You savage yank brutes We burn ham? That's right. I have one This is the kind of person You have to have a headlamp. Isn't that going to alert the... vulnerable you know and you see giant eyes ahead that are nine feet off the ground you're like oh predatory they have a crazy look in their eyes it's really interesting i made eye contact with fucking teeth i don't even look at it and then another thing i looked at once i was in a tiger

2:34:32 There's a fucking tiger over there. I mean, because it's so beautiful as well, the intensity of being looked at by that fucking creature that was some powerful shit you their their actual love of animals they know right it's like dogs and cats so they get animals that He doesn't talk, but, you know, an animal in the wild is a competing organism they're competing

2:36:31 It's so rare to be around that. illegal yeah ag gag laws those laws where whistleblowers get arrested those should be He raises sheep and he eats them and he even gives them out to people. That seems like the best, most ethical way to do it. around on me and say you could do that same like thought experiment with people like why don't you is it demonstrates that the old political lines that we used to comfortably abide within are starting to sort of break down.

2:40:13 we focus on the things that are making a genuine difference to the the way people are living lives lot of calories for a small amount of money right but if you go from the fast food restaurant and Now, if the beef becomes far more expensive, then what a fast food, what do the restaurants is corrupted because it shouldn't be more expensive the only reason it's more expensive

2:42:36 now you can say that starts to you know that's that's kind of socialism but and i don't think what france is or this is what england is people are it's too different now but what you know that In the end, you start to get into redistribution of resources, away then a lot of those supermarkets and a lot of those um fast food stores that rely on that

2:44:55 But they're, you know, they're living like a pig. So perhaps what we could try and do is replicate what we do naturally. the only thing that incentivizes people is maximum profit i i do too i think that it is possible that be who they are in inverted commas and then when you sort of scale that up to a society you know how can we They'll feel like a cog in a machine.

2:47:57 Maybe it's what people choose to focus on. You live in the fucking mountains of West Virginia. You're fucked, man. We should unfuck them. Why isn't there a concerted national effort to eliminate that? Fuck you, man. We need to concentrate on that. and they have this story about the poverty that they grew up in, they are so rare. start out in life emotionally fucked, physically abused.

2:51:20 about you've never seen it you've never been involved in that kind of poverty it's not fair Imagine if everyone, the lowest you could live is like a middle class existence. so very eloquently described is i think achievable and that ought be the aim and when you give just dystopia something moving in the direction of dystopia, where the priorities and dreams are sort of owned, really,

2:53:43 scares people the most when someone just acquires this insane position of power and wealth, like a Bill Gates type character, who is very altruistic, very, very generous. great guy who overcame the odds you know until like i feel like in a sense charity has become gonna just buy drugs you know let them figure it out but then they're not gonna figure it out

2:55:55 beings like us can access them it's not difficult to envisage human like a type of creature a type obligation to aspire to the better parts of our nature not to continually use materialism and from the same basic material and phenomena we all have compassion and love in us and if we on an not one person and even collectively as a group when you have mental health issues unless you

2:58:21 What if they have government funding? that used to run a play friendly house was up for women that have got drug and addiction and abuse issues and like this woman she was from chicago she was 90 years old by the time like i they are supported they are able to conceal as john people that profit from the opioid crisis, they are supported. I think we have an obligation to look for ways

3:00:38 have mental health problems or they had mental health problems already maybe they have genetic a movie around her stink hanging around i don't know that this is gonna work how are we gonna their life versus have this sense of hopelessness that many are confronted with which is the human imagination and creativity and ingenuity. If they could just show that and quantify how much that would be

3:03:44 that or nobody should be like that that was Like either everybody should be able to live like that or nobody should be able to live like that. get killed by a gang you know your challenge is not get fucked by your uncle again you know what do you know what? you know, relief to let go of that to feel like listen it's all right for you to be you but could we be a

3:06:28 People are lazy. They're less distracted. of life force like i feel like it's a gift to be a person that's got a lot of drive to be a person lazy they just juke the system and screw people over and figure their way to scam through life. Yeah, he's very sweet. Again, like I i say i don't judge people on there i interviewed him where's that everyone should be middle class we're going to start reorganizing society reaching out

3:09:35 for him his energy is in focusing on how you get more buildings with those giant gold trump letters I wouldn't waste time judging anyone as an individual because I imagine if I were to spend time examining Donald Trump's past, his relationship with his father, the conditions he grew up in, what he felt he had to do to be a good person i would imagine i'd go yeah of course but

3:11:05 why should we get involved? in allowing this infinite growth model but when his description of what happened in that economic crash of 2008 and the decisions that were made for the American taxpayer to bail out the financial industry. went to jail for the subprime mortgage is the fact that no one went to jail and they didn't get punished. was going down in your business yeah you just let it ride and now you're gonna get a you're gonna

3:14:09 idea for as long as he... Because it's not actually hacking charges or some shit now which they didn't charge him on before right is that what's That seems like a fairly obvious thing. Yeah, and very brilliant. have that on you got like it's terrifying to watch someone because you know obviously now he's calmed that the state itself the very thing that we revere the very thing that we identify

3:16:51 Well, that for me, in a sense, is a pass. Like, what is their crime exactly and no one's concentrating on that the So it makes you think, I been on Bill Maher show. left wing. were in the case of the british labor party designed or set up to serve they neglected them they abandoned them you know about you know the origin of a nation whether that's an old one like mine or a new one like

3:19:50 23rd of this month, so just a few days.