Joe Rogan Experience #1284 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 Here we go. that's specific to Barnes & Noble and and i had a lot of material that I hadn't put in the book. So grahamhancock.com and the America Before page, the link to the Barnes & Noble edition No. Go to Books. Go to Books. Go to America Before. is it go to talks and events okay we're on the graham hancock website no go to books go to books go to america before bam bam uh it is go to united states you can see amazon bonds

1:54 I get angry when someone else reads someone who I'm like, come on, he can talk. And the one thing I can't read is my fiction. I don't think a novelist should read their own novels. Yeah. And also the other thing I would like to take this opportunity to mention is I'm in America and Canada for the next seven weeks. But it's a joy. i've since had dr robert chalk on the podcast to talk about that as well. But all this stuff was at one point very controversial

5:36 anywhere on earth. And when I say megalithic, I mean literally big stones, stone circles, And then suddenly, Gobekli Tepe is discovered. arguments that I've proposed. Well, I'm so happy for you because I know that for a long time you were out there on your own public that I was full of shit. And that was the whole way my work was greeted. And to a certain

8:11 Gods, we get a group of more than 60 major scientists who are seriously proposing that And it's changed the balance of power in this argument because one thing that they used to say is Hancock can't be right because there was no global cataclysm, you know, 12 or 13,000 years ago. He's made all this stuff up. crater uh it's um 18 miles wide uh it had not been discovered before because it's under ice

10:47 12,800 years ago but the next development that you're absolutely right and this was just a few Above it is smooth, perfect ice from our epoch, which is called the Holocene, which began that geologists call the Younger Dryas, which lasted for 1,200 years from 12,800 to 11,600 years ago. we realize how widespread it was. So they found evidence of the impacts as far south as Antarctica

13:13 to the one that, the two that you did with Randall Carlson, where it really goes into rapid rises in sea level did occur and suddenly the the worldwide tradition of a of a global flood they just look odd sitting there in the landscape. The floodwaters would recede. There can't be anything left of it at all. because it's easy enough to talk about floods and cataclysms, but actually to see its effect on the landscape directly is – it has an emotional impact.

16:05 supports the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis and the notion that multiple fragments of a giant thought my role in this is over. from the Americas, which completely rewrites the story of human history, that the Americas, specifically from the Americas, which completely rewrites the story of human being touched the soil of the Americas until 13,400 years ago, just animals, but no human beings present at all. And any

19:24 What was this gentleman in the Yukon? What was this? nice to be vindicated that that there's almost a place in folklore for the individual who is scorned and humiliated, you know, by others, but who turns out to be right. And then a few archaeologists. supposed not to be done. He decided to dig deeper, and he carried on digging down. And there was a

22:15 What was the evidence from 130,000 years ago? another had been left beside it that femur had a femur of the animal had been taken away completely an engine of demand that we need to be looking at those missing 100,000 plus years. We need to be The challenge fundamentally comes from, we archaeologists know that there were no human beings in the Americas that far back.

25:10 No, they're not. perhaps the bones had been cracked But what he misses out, it's true that a new paper has been published, that are now in the San Diego Natural History Museum. They didn't look at the bones? kind of fracture you get in a in a fossilized bone so unfortunately this paper pays pays no with him at the National History Museum. He was very generous with his time. I did an extended

29:05 important study and and um i think what's going to happen uh is that we're going to find much I mean, how deep did they have to go to find these mastodon bones? moment archaeology doesn't uh doesn't see the point of that if um the paper in Nature by Tom Demaree was alone, if there were nothing else than that, would find themselves confronted then by the North American ice cap,

31:42 there had been a period of global warming and the same opportunity to enter the Americas was there at that period than it was at the later period. been told. Because my goodness, if archaeology is wrong about the story of the peopling of the This has been the argument and this is the argument that now radically and suddenly begins to change, in south america have come out recently about these these channels and pathways that they've found

35:07 And to put that into perspective, There was a preconception. down process has emerged things that shouldn't be there at all. in 1541 to 1542. And then in the last decade, What? Because once you clear the rainforest, the land is largely unfertile. There was science in the Amazon. and of a kind of science in the Amazon. would result and that's part of the fertility of the soil but the mystery is the microbial

39:49 the amazon is a man-made rainforest uh there are certain trees like brazil nut trees or the ice we have in the uk structures that are called henges um I live in the city of Bath and about 30 miles away, it often contains stone circles, megalithic stone circles as well. They bounce laser beams down into the jungle. Tikal. What archaeologists didn't know was that literally within walking distance of Tikal,

43:06 square. At a place called Jakosar in the Amazon, you can find a square perfectly enclosing a circle. And what intrigues me is what remains in that 5. half million square kilometers that has not been investigated one way to do it, and that's with astronomy. So that tells us that astronomers were at work in the Amazon. The geometry is very complex and very precise. That tells us that people with

45:08 no respect for the ancient for the ancient world unfortunately and there's another one look at that which is LIDAR, as I mentioned, which uses radar. And using LIDAR, they've been able to identify that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west that they're connected to a system of ideas which is found all around the world, which is to do with

47:39 The reason it's not available through the gut is because of an enzyme in the gut called monoamine oxidase. That switches off DMT on contact. yourself amongst and the entities that you encounter. I mean, the Tucano actually will give a teaspoonful of ayahuasca to a newborn infant. the other world of the afterlife realm of the entrance to the other world are geometrical and

50:47 Then we go to Egypt and what do do we find? The same system of ideas. The soul must rise up to the constellation of Orion. There's a narrow shaft cut through the southern side of the As far as we know, none of these cultures were in contact with one another. Either we're dealing with a huge, I've had the privilege of peyote ceremony with the Native American church.

52:27 Your thought processes are quite clear. your state of consciousness into a kind of peak experience. This is a technology for accessing It's incredibly useful. that we have in this country, Yeah. behave but instead love and think about religious ideas which cause so much division so much chaos It happens all over the world. We should not be accepting packages of ideas intact,

56:05 human beings on the planet to have these kind of energies being generated where certain groups of together are a group who are much more important than other groups of people? I've been privileged the same dreams that we have in industrialized cities That's another thing we need to grow out of. And we have to be there where you have it. why they exploit fears in order to magnify

59:18 has sort of eroded our faith in many institutions as being the only or the primary source of knowledge that i hope that That's why I'm here. live in LA. I have another son and daughter-in-law who live in Boston. America, I'm British, the state. That's a very American feeling. It's something that you don't find often in other and you can end up with a kind of dictatorship that the truth whereas in fact it's not the truth and you

1:02:50 23, 24 states legal for medical use, that at the federal level, it's still a Schedule 1 controlled drug. It's the people at the grassroots level. and how many people who are white people These records should be expunged. It is if psilocybin gets in. And even what they talk about with paranoia, I welcome that. which is, I think, what we need. that dawns on people the realization at a direct personal level here's this herb i love i have been

1:07:07 psychedelic experiences, they've never had them. And ironically, it's bad for them as well. that's the next step for humanity we start we need to start becoming our own leaders drug causes fights causes drunk driving accidents leads to cirrhosis of the liver, completely legal and open. Yes, well, you and I had a moment. And I was shown this by ayahuasca,

1:10:28 way down on cannabis so i got really stoned i did listen to that interview back and somehow i held And so it's all thanks to you, Joe. Yeah, yeah. but what sort of civilization to make plastic maybe they did things in completely different ways maybe they cultivated powers of the human mind that we dismiss and regard as completely completely unimportant you know woo woo yeah this

1:13:40 that was done using purely leverage and mechanical advantage you can say oh perhaps by ancient civilizations, that they could use powers of the human mind that we have outside of that. But maybe we should open up to those possibilities that we're dealing with a close to 5 000 years ago great pyramid is supposed to be about 4 500 years old yeah that's really old it's incredibly old yeah to think that someone back then could

1:16:21 of the pyramid and they conveniently neglect those chambers above and go back and observe, would that be the time? ago, following those, the signs of civilization that we see emerging are not the beginnings of This was a cataclysm by any standards. And suddenly we see these signs of civilization appearing. I can understand why there's little archaeology done there.

1:19:50 with the amazon and the same with the with with the sahara desert places in the very places in the exponential increase in computational power and technology and innovation we will reach some sort of an innovation Perhaps less. clearly identifiable pattern of DNA, which is only found in one other place in the world. for at least 11,000 years. find it only in the amazon when i talked to some of the leading geneticists about this but

1:24:34 And when a scientist says the most parsimonious explanation, We don't really question it. And again, i think a coexist in the world with hunter-gatherers. It's not an odd idea that an advanced civilization and We have clothing. They don't know how to grow crops of the evidence for a sort of outreach effort that was being made by a lost civilization seeing the

1:28:21 And then you consider how much information they don't have access to that's in them and seeing if they work out. by the need to publish research papers. that's good for their careers. that is accepted by archaeology Easter Island is 2,000 miles from the coast of South America. made to consider what that might mean well it's interesting because we know that the Egyptians had boats.

1:31:43 It's the notion of a global navigating culture in the Ice Age that archaeologists can't swallow. created by a Turkish admiral called Piri Reis in the year 1513. Actually, only a corner of his map maps now lost all of them incorporating extremely precise relative longitudes and latitudes Its presence in maps based on much older source maps that actually show the world as it looks during the last ice age suggests that somebody during the last ice age was mapping the world and had mastered the technique

1:35:02 The reason that you need to find one that's centered on Antarctica. than it is today but very much as it looked during the last ice age. So what all of this suggests to That island is in the exact place of the Grand Bahama banks It's great that you can bring this up, Jeremy. in the grand bahama banks and the bimini road is exactly where that island is and the here's the

1:37:29 how they were created, that's shown on the island in the map. Well, nobody's looked for it. but i repeat the key issue is not whether the Bimini Road is man-made or not. It's an amazing sight. Oh, hundreds of feet. that you can play with. Yes. It's some kind of navigational device. That's a recreation of something like that. of these have been found. And it may be that ship owners and navigators in Greek

1:42:09 Do you have anything in this book about the Olmecs? Everybody's heard about the Maya most famous for is these into it. these stone reproductions? icon in Central America. serpent there's the the image from Leventa that's the earliest image of a plume serpent traveled around the world trying to bring back to life a lost civilization and pass And he said, no, I did challenge him at a public event to go have a dozen sessions of ayahuasca.

1:46:11 themselves down the generations they replicate they multiply they're passed on from one individual to I think that's what we're looking at in the Amazon. and in the process of engaging them, a couple of those mysteries with you? It's Pillar 43 in enclosure D at Gobekli Tepe. crops up in in many different cultures and tends to be associated with some kind of…

1:48:54 Quetzalcoatl is an Aztec god, but the Aztecs acquired him from earlier cultures. The very He's not a war god. human beings were involved in a project to disseminate civilization. I mentioned the and they showed them the best places to settle, That's the story of the origin myth of the tucano and it We were talking about different things in the Amazon.

1:52:19 Well, this is part of a curious mystery that is not unconnected to the genetic mystery. happened with settlement. find out what that is that they've always fascinated me the the olmecs it's always been such a strange image the the large heads with the helmets on them and how did they universally look The Olmecs used that same symbolism. that it's possibly the first time that those of us on the alternative side of the argument about

1:56:18 devoted his whole life to walking the walk of the geology of the end of the ice age in North America. And we're not going to do that Well, what's interesting to me is that as this evidence piles up and it seems to be continuing to pile up as more like these impact sites and more of this ancient civilization material gets unearthed, it's almost insurmountable.

1:58:04 suddenly falls apart. And it doesn't fall apart suddenly what happens is that there's an and the paradigm goes down, and you have a new way of thinking. And that is the story of science, I'm offering an alternative theory, No? that itself, as part of the general pattern the internet that does understand that there's a lot more out there than just what they're being

2:01:40 extent of young people, most of whom are men, but there are women amongst them as well. that we've built our idea of who we are upon and of where we're going as a culture may be founded You look great. but have stuck to my guns and Yeah, a complete mess. Then we suddenly realized that in a way we're here accidentally, that it's not been a process that's been all about us.

2:05:36 and if that goes down there's not much left you have paper books and and you know a few thousands of years imagine what would be left yeah gps's they won't know they won't know where they're going and it's and it's true with digital Yeah. the region of the sky in which the constellation of taurus sits it doesn't it's within our solar that the taurid meteor stream still exists, and our planet still passes through it twice a year.

2:09:37 Calculations indicate that there may be as much as 200 asteroids within the Taurid meteor stream of a diameter of a kilometer or more, which would We can go to them, we can mine them, we can extract minerals, orbit into a less dangerous orbit. And the evidence is in the next 30 years, we are going to be But the cosmos doesn't give a fuck about any of that.

2:12:15 be the home of our children and our children's children. I'm a grandfather now. I feel passionately this problem of cosmic impacts and that's incredibly irresponsible where you could take pictures of things we had a giant if I can if I can pause you on that very it's an airburst it explodes in the sky above fortunately an uninhabited area of siberia but

2:15:01 the M25 would have been gone completely. to climate change there's a curious denial there's a denial um of the role of cataclysms in the human by their colleagues. And they were told it's absolutely absurd. Of course, no cosmic event and they start to occupy niches that were previously closed to them. And the bottom line is Yeah. For a long time, it was held that the Neanderthals were stupid, primitive subhumans,

2:18:53 cave, they find a single pinky bone from a little finger and they do the DNA testing on it. They're actually just incredible trip to russia i hadn't i hadn't expected it to be like that at all. It's very difficult. take oh it took us three days to get to to get to denisova cave three days driving every three to interbreed with us and leave leave dna and this denisovan species was only discovered in like was

2:22:04 And a hole has been drilled through the bracelet. drilling with a stable fixed drill and yet there it is and and and there it appears. So there are also incredible, very fine needles, bone needles that the Denisovans made, very long ones, which suggest that they were stitching very heavy stuff together. year they discovered the denisovans jamie can you google that real quick i want to say it's in the

2:24:27 So you make a good point. The real work that's been done in Denisovans Cave I'm not kidding myself that the archaeologists are going to jump on board overnight, particularly so since I'm very critical of American archaeology in this book and I'm critical of it specifically and explicitly because of the dominance of the ancient history has not been well studied.

2:27:44 of ancient Egypt and the religious system of ancient egypt and the By 400 AD, ancient Egypt is gone. and the big mysteries are in the areas that were so devastated at the end of the last ice age up And I think the most fruitful new work The Russian archaeologists who published the report on that are themselves mystified by those bracelets oh yeah absolutely those bracelets are 40 000 years old they may have been older

2:31:55 We should allow the past to speak for itself. Yeah, Jamie and I were talking about it earlier. We were there on June 21st, 2017. the Temple of Karnak in Upper Egypt, that kilometer long axis targets exactly the rising And there have been arguments that there is a group of archaeologists who would like it to be just 1,000 years old, What's intriguing about Serpent Mound is it stands on a natural ridge.

2:35:53 They turned it into a special, special place that human beings had had a hand in making to honor the marriage of heaven and earth. And archaeologists couldn't understand why Stonehenge wasn't built on the Marlborough Downs, you see the sun rising in direct alignment with the view. initially what they were celebrating was a natural union of heaven and earth and that brings us to

2:38:11 and to draw our attention to the intimate connection between ground and sky. All of these things we take for granted, but actually they're deeply mysterious. When do I sign up? the DMT realm, it is so different from the realm of our daily world, filled with geometry, However, it is affected by another factor, which is a slight nod on the axis of the summer solstice sun on the horizon is not affected by the procession however it is affected

2:42:02 and seeing the general connection between the position of the sun on the horizon and the head of Serpent Mound, it would be while we're talking about ohio don't forget about newark and high bank what are those these are two Go back to that, Jamie. Give me a large image of that. So is this an overlay or is that what very long time ago. There's so much to explore and so much to investigate and so much to inquire

2:44:19 And I'm doing something like 17 or 18 events in the United States. I would like to meet my readers. having me back on joe graham hancock ladies and gentlemen bye