Joe Rogan Experience #1292 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 ready boom and we're live hello lex hey what's going on the sequel part two you have a very okay offend anyone but it Oh. When they try to redo things like way, way, way later, they almost never, except the Alien You know that movie? Okay, there's two. I heard John Wick Part 3 is very good. put on Alien play a couple weeks ago. if they did this when you were in high school,

2:17 Those people cry too much. What? It's nonsense, that movie sucked I'm sure it's a good movie You're into love movies and shit? Okay. where they connect i mean okay listen phil what what's the purpose of film right entertainment Oh, look at you. Right. What's her name? Tara Reid. Tara Reid? Yeah. Is she still a hot mess that used to be a hot mess? What's her name?

5:38 Well, I don't remember it. Listen, Godfather is about It's family above all. All right, all right, all right. No, he kills a bunch of them, though. But he plays a badass gangster. he's a thick motherfucker okay especially young fedor you ever see young fedor when he was in his prime like back Never a six-pack in sight. Everybody was on steroids But everybody else was

8:53 And it's not like Russians don't have a long history of using performance-enhancing substances. I'm a bit of a – maybe I'm naive or an optimist, they help okay yeah they help that guy in particular yeah they help If not, I mean, certainly top ten pound for pound. They damage long-term well-being of the person? The concern is for the opponent. disaster for the sport for everything if that ever does happen we can only hope it never does

12:29 You know, whether you have the, It's a very complicated discussion. But that's too much. right the main thing that we're talking about the sport the the combat event that can be dangerous because that is what we watch two people at the height of term damage to health. And for young people, that can be very devastating. People die of those things all the time, much more so than die of steroids.

15:58 Maybe someone's a holistic person. So If The Tour de France, they say that you actually are better off It's incredible. Eats candy and pizza When you're running Did you see the podcast She couldn't see. Like, I don't know how to quit. 13 miles i'm not a runner just just this weird obsession you don't run no i run but i'm not a And before I was in Philly, Balance Studios with Phil McGreece and so on.

19:11 But I also love the, I mean, Kyle to me represents like the American, he's like the Rocky. Broke his hand somewhere, I think, in the second round. When two technicians throw everything away, I'm sorry, should do there's there's principles that That's a difficult, like you said, human nature is messy. Discussion. decided to throw out all his Olympics bring that when like the thing that you don't think should happen

22:07 for someone who studies So many people about this podcast. We're just talking. So tell me what you got here with your notes man I want to take this opportunity and tell people if you drive a Tesla, When? obviously. So texting, The worst was Pokemon. It's Grandpa's. Oh, shit. Sorry. Playing Pokemon Yeah Yeah it's incredible What are you doing Jeremy? This grandpa has

25:15 With 15 phones In their car With maybe 4 or 5 Doing exactly what you're saying this man needs a better hobby this on his bike like an asshole. You think most people are on your side? Did you see the video that just came out yesterday And I think Tesla, negative stuff on Tesla gets a lot of clicks. and drive. Keep your eyes on the road. like you don't like it like you would change the channel now you're gonna put me in this

28:14 I wanted to Okay I'm a black belt I'm pretty good Youiu Jitsu? Yeah I'm good Okay I'm a three stripe purple belt guitar Yeah I've been doing it Like, how did you learn? and this is no i didn't know that but this didn't know that If you were humming a song We've gotten flagged for So I played another song, Black Betty. That's all me Comfortably numb

30:42 Should I do it He just came on and talked. No. you're allowed okay the hair is like just you know it's it's just hair. You can't wear dreadlocks, though. Yeah, so there's rules. The experience, yeah. There's a reason why he was doing it. The Lincolns do that? And what exactly do you have to do to a car to change? Any kind of sensor and software. side in this case on camera on elon musk so here's the difference lasers are more precise they work

34:02 So today, to build a safe vehicle, you have to go LiDAR. Yeah. And all of that is data. And then the other one is you think, like, humans are terrible drivers. there is no artificial system in the world today nor will there be for perhaps quite a while Oh, Jesus, he's in traffic. And there's a game theoretic, a game of chicken to get right i mean we don't even know how to approach that as a as a artificial intelligence sort of research community and also

38:04 It's for a robot. And then the car in front moved to an adjacent lane. Those kinds of things happen. and was there enough time given for the person to take over and if they were paying on a podcast saying you're tempted to sort of look off the road with your new Tesla or at least become a little bit complacent. Everybody that I know that's tried that, they say you get really used to it doing that.

41:37 And are they paying attention when they disengage the system? still remaining vigilant. Now, in our data set, the autopilot was, quote-unquote, encountering tricky situations every 9.2 miles. When it drives on the highway for an hour, an hour and a half, talk because because you're using the word perfection i think perfection okay that's a bad Yes, I absolutely believe so.

44:19 Have you met him? Yeah. And focus and confidence. And yes, in this space of autonomous vehicles, production. Like, what do you mean you're going to keep updating the software of the car without, like, how are you testing it? So essentially the drivers become the testing. innovating on the software side so your tesla over the air while we're sitting here could get

48:23 where as a society used to software failing, that the new software update is safe. By parallel, I'm sorry. Making the same decisions? bring it back to a central point to where you can use the edge cases, So they have automated ways of extracting, again, what are called edge cases, so these weird moments of driving. So they have methods for that because it's a huge amount of data.

52:02 that's not a bicycle. Let me find moments like this in the rest of the data and then improve the system. How many weird situations when you manually drive do you deal with every day? Cars today can't do that kind of reasoning. One, there's fully autonomous vehicles. It's a gray area, though, because many companies are basically saying that that's what they're doing, but they're not quite there.

55:20 And so the fact that the driver has to take over, that's not fully autonomous then, right? So there's Besides Tesla, there's tesla and who The same folks that power the Quake game, right? In fact, I don't. LIDAR. Yeah. So let's call those semi-autonomous vehicles or driver assistance systems. And if your eyes go off the road for, I believe, more than six seconds,

58:55 that it doesn't matter what the driver does. have driver modern you have to know what the car is. Right now, your Tesla only knows about your presence from the steering wheel. Yeah, you can do a lot of purses actually work really well. I think it depends on the shape of the orange, how ripe it is. Makes sense. Minority report. A few cars are starting to add it.

1:01:34 It's a CT6. I don't know if that's the CT6, but the one we're looking at is the CT6. odd operational design domain so they they define that this thing supercruise system only works on You can map those roads, so you can use actually LiDAR to map the full road And, like, construction is a big one. apps like Waze New York is actually ...than, I mean, the kind of fatality that happened

1:04:06 Come on, bro. Tesla autopilot will be able to avoid potholes in the road, says Elon Musk. Yeah, that's why I was saying if it coordinated with GPS, it would have previous knowledge. just getting the software, the data in place So Cadillac's doing a version of it, Yeah, this is a video they have on their website. it's hard to talk about Now, when this car is operating in this manner how many cameras

1:07:47 it enough so i haven't gotten used to it but you have to at least in the initial stages it kind of Why is that? Yeah, puts me out. What are they using? more we'll start looking off-road more that's a it's a totally open question and nobody knows And so there's like all kinds of psychology studies that show that we're crappy. If you consider historically the kind of modes that people have for observing things,

1:11:19 I turn. because isn't that part of the issue with this Boeing 737? I'm not following – But on the software side, it is worrying because it was a single software update, essentially, that helps prevent the airplane from stalling. It's supposed to just manage the flight for you. Yeah, that's a software update. So I'm 100% for the software approach. updates except tesla vehicles they they major over the air updates except Tesla vehicles

1:15:16 to get an update for all car companies. which Elon Musk in basically every way represents. where you can feed noise into the system that's imperceptible to us humans is in theory is doable you can do demonstrations in practice it's actually really difficult to do And he was over there for the Rolling Stone magazine and doing an article about a general.

1:18:54 Because these people were very, very angry at him. at 120 miles an hour. 2013? Jamie, pull that up. I think there would be more effective ways to achieve this kind of end. An elevator software or any kind of software that operates any aspect of our lives could be hacked in that same kind of way. very rare that you get an expert in autonomous vehicles and you get to run a conspiracy theory

1:22:18 So then autonomous vehicle. But I think it's I mean, that's what it is. It's that drive-by-wire thing that I mentioned. Yeah, but it's really, again, the attack vectors here. So the way you hack these systems have more to do with the software, low-level software, that can be primitive than the high-level AI stuff. That's a different – that's what people worry about with autonomous vehicles when more and more – Yes, yes. to hack the code. And so people are worried legitimately so that these security attacks would lead

1:25:36 But in the demonstration space, you'd be able to demonstrate some interesting ways to trick the system in terms of computer vision. This all boils down to that these systems are actually, They're little cameras, right? Oh, well, as long as the next generation addresses it, you fucking And the question was It's a lot of burden, I write thousands of them a day, basically notes you're taking could eventually lead to somebody dying.

1:28:20 It's the future. Everyone's scared of it. frivolous suggestion and that it was ridiculous to try to get someone who was 50 years old who code mocking this ridiculous idea that you're going to teach you know that's a that's a legitimate Computer learning. I don't know who did the data on this, but there's a statement someone put on Twitter that said that of – let me see if I can word it correctly.

1:31:12 Yeah, that makes sense. nor is Vidya. It boils down to the conversation that Jack is having at the top level inside Twitter. i wasn't planning on talking about her but um there was a parody account and someone was running So at the leadership level, there's a narrow-mindedness that permeates all Silicon Valley, you're saying? Well, it kind of shows that it does.

1:35:07 Are those people exaggerating their ability and what they do at work? Even if you believe, even if you're a hardcore liberal, you cannot, when you operate, when you drive and manage a conversation in the entire world, you have to think about middle America. because things are getting so greasy.'s so slippery on on both sides and we're at this weird position that i

1:37:17 want to pay too much in taxes to a shitty government we don't want schools getting underfunded we we There's way more of us that are in this middle of the whole thing. mood and point me to things that might be upsetting to me. And you start getting angry. and the ads are on those pages, touch on it but i think of twitter as a whole as one organism that is the thing that worries me the

1:40:41 I mean, it's scary to think about. that is a super intelligent organism that we have no control over. He eats once a day. It's just water or coffee few things that she's written about in terms of fasting and the benefits of fasting. Intermittent you down but sometimes you don't even think about it's not like a rule so you just man i'm hungry Work out

1:43:19 I'm always fasted That's an interesting one More like C.T. Fletcher style He was 320 pounds Is that what he said 315 fuck he was so big yeah you're saying here like at Yeah. That's some good genes. Yeah, he's an inspiration. I love drilling. What do you want to explain to me? get bored at drilling oh you got to find a good drilling partner like an obsessed one yeah and uh

1:46:30 It's your mind is in it. i think blue belt to purple i did like the most drilling that i ever did ever and that's when i Like, okay, here it is. I know this is. of it almost all of it and john jock those two so it's like i was a blue belt before i was friends But there's a lot of people that understand it now, This is Jeremiah. He's one of Eddie's best rubber guard assassins.

1:49:38 But if they escape, oftentimes he's on the bottom, flip him over now he's attacking the leg like it's just constant and it never ends did he invent branch off from that system like jeremiah uh like vinnie magalhaes that have their own way that they It fucking sucks, man. Yeah, lower ranks have. It's powerful. You're holding the back of the foot across the back of the neck,

1:52:50 It's not as good as being on top, right? Do you find just when you trained back in the day and you still train, You can pressure them. only have top game you know you're kind of fucked if you wind on your back. We see that a lot with wrestlers in MMA. He's one of those guys, when he gets on top of you, you're fucked. People that are able to do that are truly humbling.

1:54:57 Phew. One of the great pinning wrestlers. Yeah. But that's crazy, man, that they have such a drop off with these guys. It's true. Well, I don't, you know, I think, look, that's stupid. It's a show. Right there. interesting thing about jordan borrows i think he's so good that he's probably going to stay out But If they're allowing it i think people should support flow wrestling though they do have like a um i'm a member

1:58:56 should be really worried. For now, he's probably going to be the greatest wrestler of all time. It says Abdul Rashid Sotolaev. That is Russian as fuck. Yeah, 220, under 215, but they cut for it, right? Oh. champion i mean he goes from the whole line of um the saiti brothers and the the all the dagestani Abdul Rashid I mean they're They just kind of

2:02:18 But don't do that. It's a different culture. Emotion flies high. Now I'm gonna beat your ass From happening But I appreciate where he's coming from. What you see is what you get, and what you get is a killer. But he has no hunger anymore. Like, there ain't no hunger. I mean, he might got $100 million. But I think he still loves to compete. But he has no hunger anymore.

2:04:23 and hoping that you could make three more tonight. Yeah. He's young, man. You saw what he did to Chad Mendes. Khabib's wrestling Good takedown defense no matter how good your takedown defense looked in the past. was some he's he stopped a few people strikes he's dangerous he's dangerous enough on the feet Askren's a big fella, too. And he's... He was never like Brock Lesnar.

2:07:54 It's a stupid way to look at it. the time frame is someone is going to figure out how to make a thing that just walks around and does whatever it wants and lives like a person that's not outside the realm of possibility and i Fuck all that, man. I think all of that is necessary for us to discover the better angels. to ensure that things don't get sloppy.

2:10:59 See, you had to have that jaguar there in order to inspire you to make enough safety so that your kids can grow old enough that they can get information from all the people that did survive as well. and we're you know we're just trying to force it into cars and force it into cubicles but part of So that's one perspective. all the bad things. but that is the beautiful thing that is like what the universe was built for.

2:13:50 Is death important for us human beings, for life, for us as a society? the end to be there for the overall health of the human race or the world of the all the organisms But it's more, we and so on. I used to think atheism means what I just said. Right. something like that that's a fucking great quote god i love that guy yeah so basically for beauty

2:16:28 has ever produced we're just some freak luck accident and everybody else is throwing shit at things we've created here is we've imagined ideas that we all share, ideas of beauty, ideas of truth, ideas of fairness. I don't know how many hours of Hendrix I've ever listened to. is not that there's not beauty in what we are i'm a i'm a i am a big appreciator of this life

2:19:44 like you're out there coding these on this island just cracking coconuts and just eating fish, whatever they can catch. Yeah. Because we have to look at Boston Dynamics robots because you said walking around. Now look at that and look at a Tesla Roadster. I don't know if you've ever driven a Nissan GTR, but it is a fucking insane car. But this Tesla is so on another level.

2:22:34 So you're saying the human races will be the Nissan here. they might they might design some sort of organic propulsion system like the way squid have and text not sounding but when you read it it makes seems like a person it seems like a person and And so they felt that it was their responsibility to hold back. And this is something that Jamie can do.

2:25:04 Exactly. Look, it's killing me. if I was fat so there's How dare you? And the mic blocks part of your face when you talk. artificial intelligence that survives off of nuclear waste and so then they encourage these Okay. long game 70s well you know about that internet research agency right you know about that uh that's the russian company that uh they're responsible for all these different facebook pages

2:28:32 page and they were just trying to make people angry at people now that's human driven manipulation It needs to be, to the people in general, An algorithm can do that 10x I think it might have effects. So it'll change the nature of communication, I think. we're talking about AI, so artificial life Yeah. a move that threatens to push many of our most talented

2:31:42 all done by an AI Yeah, we are for sure. that's like this mindset that source everybody can understand it and everybody can work at it and you don't miss out on any genius contributions. directly going to be able to improve this now like if if they're if we can generate basically what they're worried about is not just generating content that's fake they're worried about

2:35:21 for example i love socialism health care is a right not just a That's half the reason why it's so funny. You had Andrew Yang here. It covers food, enough for food. kind of questionable, right? You would get the difference of the $1,000. everything else is super messy. finding meaning and purpose and derive your identity from work. Right. And from my understanding of the technology, from everything I see, that is not going to be as drastic or as fast as he says.

2:40:03 and automation will do a lot of good. That doesn't have to do – that's not new. because I think AI and automation will help make a better world. done to give people meaning this this meaning thing i agree with you giving people just money That's what we're worried about. But saying we need to do lifelong learning, education, So it's not learn to code.

2:44:14 We have to figure out how to fix the whole human race. Making a better world where people get along with each other better where it's pleasing for all of us Unless you're one of them Ted Kaczynski-type characters, it's just not yeah people get annoying fuck yeah i'm annoyed with me right now could probably put a dent in it at least if we really started thinking about at least it would

2:47:02 to go through every day just to survive until We shouldn't be looking at anything elsewhere. Not that much. Or do we just take a step back and go, hey, hey, how should we really do this? we've been developing a sense of empathy that allows us to understand that Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, and somebody in Texas, somebody in Russia, somebody in India, all suffer the same kind of things.

2:49:21 These kinds of divisive kind of ideas as opposed to just investing in education, Her. You're great. right right right Shouldn't you have to get a real one? Yeah, I mean, this goes to... We want a companion. They're going to realize, like, fuck people, man. the future i'm worried about the indifference of technological innovation in the indifference to what we hold dear what we appreciate that it

2:52:41 it's such a shitty design you're like chimps that kill each other you know like when you know we're so crazy that we're always going to kill each other. Well, it's essential in biological form. I thought that was Kurzweil. We don't yet know how to do that, and we don't yet know what better way to do what we've done here on Earth. I think it's amazing.

2:55:36 motherfucker i don't need plugs anymore you idiots can never figure out how to operate on air you're They could have fixed that. you and i agree on about i don't i'm not a dystopian person in terms of like today i'm not It doesn't have to worry about anything. Sure. Just for them. It would make me feel good. who errs, you let the haters get to you a little bit there. Never.

2:59:54 Thanks, brother.