Joe Rogan Experience #1295 — Tulsi Gabbard Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one, and we're back. Now you're out there. No? I'm on a mission. There's so much that we need to do. economy? If you're going to take all the money that the United States earns and all the money visible and invisible wounds that they'll have to live with for the rest of their lives. You look at some of the architects of that Iraq war, guys like John Bolton, who today is President Trump's National Security Council director.

4:41 the world, need to be the ones to determine their governance and how so? Well, you see there's differences, right? There's the people who are with the current Look at Iraq. You can look at Libya. You can look at Syria. You can look at Guatemala and Ecuador. where in the past we have either overtly or covertly through the CIA gone in and toppled leaders of countries or dictators or regimes.

7:52 Like, it's not good to have. Yeah, it's that it's hard to accept sometimes the reality that there are bad people in the world. now far more than they were before. But we see the ramifications of that in countries like North Korea, where, again, John Bolton and the Trump the world more safe to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula. So would the argument for regime change

10:38 that's made. And they sell this to the American people knowing that, hey, we have good hearts and we want to help people if we can. our military, ready to go and wage a war against Iran. So this is evidence of the hypocrisy Why don't you tell me... trying to smear or vilify me and my campaign and what I'm advocating for, because they don't want angry. It's why I introduced legislation called the Stop Arming Terrorists Act. Why we would need

14:50 potential adversaries, if our focus is on national security and on peace. So I went and I had that then anyone who opposed the Iraq war is a Saddam Hussein lover, is a lover of dictators and loves You're making the whole thing more confusing. with leaders of other countries in that pursuit of national security and peace. So why the double No. Middle East of Sunni versus Shia, you know, chemical weapons being used, you know, criminal acts being conducted, a whole host of these issues.

19:56 change coming from the people of Syria saying, hey, this is the kind of leadership that we want Well, our position is that we're the best and we're running this country the best way. And we end up seeing what we're seeing across the Middle East. this is the problem. And this is something that I realized very quickly during my first deployment We're trying to say that we think that if you want to be the commander in chief, that you should probably have served.

22:38 is that you understand from firsthand experience and sacrifice importantly, commander-in-chief. What hurdles are you encountering that you didn't expect? What do you think is happening? putting their own political interests or the interests of their party ahead of the interests Every single dollar that comes to my campaign for president is coming from individual people across this country,

25:55 and regime change wars, the tinfoil hat thinks military-industrial complex, that would probably be number one. Well, you can take your tinfoil hat off It's so crazy and most people have never heard it before. Yeah. Son of a bitch. that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Wow. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

30:50 yet we must not fail to comprehend by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists He's a guy who had military experience. He's a guy who saw firsthand wearing the uniform and then serving as commander in chief. And this was his final warning to the nation. And they're going to have a little wiggle room, especially with politicians.

32:58 for writing up these contracts, major multi-billion dollar contracts with these big defense contractors, and then Yeah. from all these different countries who are spending a lot of money funding these think for that matter, and work to pass legislation in Congress that would close these revolving doors, those contributions and to run a people-powered campaign. How many people are doing that besides

36:50 That's right. With Google, they can control when you punch in something, what are the first hey, this is a free space for open communication for everyone, they're collecting from us with Google, and how they're monetizing that and selling or sharing that information with other Yeah. signing the terms, I'm like, oh, man. but one of the things they're doing with your data,

40:22 you engage. It's not like they're trying to rabble rouse. But it's not happening. But when you're cultivating feeds or at least your algorithm is cultivating feeds so that people get pissed off, um, Yes. Not only did they ban Alex Jones, but you can't talk about Alex Jones. Because that's not just a violation of free speech. And they say, you can only see this message.

43:38 Yeah. Matter. All they want to do is create anger, and they're doing this, engineering these arguments. This company, New Knowledge, that the DNC has tapped as one of their, She sent me an email about it because I questioned her about it after it happened. It's a dirty world out there. And I think it's a very good question. Do you think that these social media platforms,

47:31 Facebook needs to let go of Instagram and WhatsApp because that was some that acquisition created an even stronger monopoly that really shouldn't have been allowed to take place in the beginning. And so there are concerns about the kind of power being, you know, Yeah, that's that's that's the big concern is that there's just not enough variety. to the conversation. And to do so, that actually helps increase the knowledge and understanding

50:10 I think there's also a problem that people have where they become married to their ideas And who are you? Because I'm We can even have a heated conversation and a debate. This is supposed to be Team America, right? And as you said, it's extremely dangerous. immediately, okay, Democrats go this way, Republicans go this way, immediately separated. and you have this very logical and objective way of discussing this gridlock,

54:57 in and supplanting the big money that they get from the PACs and lobbyists. And then knowing that he could do that, Yeah. Exactly. And that's the thing is, you know, our founding fathers had this vision for our country make it better for them. who is paying for that? a quarter million dollars to talk. Like, go do that in Madison Square Garden. Bill is so old.

58:40 What'd you do wrong? And when I see a person like you who wants to do it, And it's not to be in control of the country and the people. It's to serve the people and our country. It's a continuation of this mission that I made me happier than, than anything else than, you know, going and playing video games Does anybody, I mean, even a person like you who's on the outside, do you think anybody truly knows what it's like to run the country until they get in there? Can you even have an idea of how impossible a task it is to be

1:01:30 I've never had any kind of thought, well, I want to be president one day or even I want to be a member of Congress one day. If you become president, excuse me, when you become president. You know, I mean, health care is among the top of the list. rebuilding their homes when they could get flooded again in a year or in two years? Because we're not that have been the same way for decades. There was a former Baltimore police officer named Michael Wood who came on my podcast

1:05:31 some community centers that help children? Why isn't there an emphasis on better education? They got a bad break. Imagine what could be done with those dollars and those resources in communities like Baltimore, And for some folks, they can't even take a shower in their own homes. domestic challenges that we are facing, we in this country are facing in communities across the

1:08:44 that can fix that. I'm pushing for a living wage. I think it's important that- What would you suggest for Los Angeles? $20 an hour? the employees who work in these industries and these service jobs has to match that. It has to so I'm doing the research and figuring out how exactly that would work and how exactly we'd pay for it. We had a town hall there yesterday and took a tour with the mayor,

1:12:01 community that they serve. But how could that be fixed? That's a supply and demand thing. There's not that much beachfront area. Well, some communities, I mean, But I think it also points to a bigger problem that we have nationally that there is just not enough affordable, truly affordable housing for working people in the country. So, you know, we didn't get into the details on what they're looking at, but this is something that the city council and the mayor are grappling with now, to be able to attract workers who

1:14:11 Those houses on the beach are like ridiculously expensive. Yeah, not so much privacy. That's true. to go to the beach. It's wrong. Sure. National wilderness areas. Everything is private in many, many countries. When you pave over them, when you develop them, you know, when your beaches become trash with pollution and others, like Theodore Roosevelt, saw this in advance and met with great resistance from a lot of big businesses that just wanted to put apartments up everywhere and start building factories.

1:16:51 and where you could go too, And I've said this about many people Yeah. plane from anywhere. Like you guys have a different vibe, you know? And I think, yeah, you know, I mean, you go to, you, you, you turn on the news or you talk to politicians in that the earth provides enough for everyone's need, because you can't get away from anybody. Yeah. not. Just, hey, don't talk stink. Don't talk trash about somebody. Show respect. Share that aloha.

1:19:55 It's like a national pastime in many ways. Organized like aid stations and food stations, or reacting in a negative way. with people. learned over time that a lot of it is the way I was communicating with people where I was failing and i'm watching her do this and i'm like god this is it was a baby that was someone's baby But being nice. with so many people in both the left and the right that i almost want to put a graph down

1:24:38 What's bothering you in the news? I don't care. fire. You just hear their talking points blurted and vomited out. I think so, too. you can't fall asleep, you'll see in the floor of Congress, you've got the Democrats who are all sitting on one side. You've got the Republicans all sitting on the other side. And unfortunately, not often enough do you see intermingling and conversation and people go into the other side of the aisle and actually getting to know people.

1:28:09 one more request. Can you make a bigger box, 435 bigger boxes of toffee for the staff of every member of Congress from a small state in the minority as a Democrat. And it's because just treating people with respect, treating people with aloha and saying, yeah, we can disagree That's a beautiful thing to hear. It's country. That's a beautiful thing to hear.

1:30:40 Yeah, exactly. I never realized until I started watching myself give speeches on TV that I do talk Exactly. Ah. Yeah. Really? I'd be like, this is such a bizarre thing. His hand movements. I don't even know if he's a good guy or not, but you can't do that. It's just too close. He's a young dude. Come on. So I'm like, dude, I just love the ocean. Right.

1:33:35 And you're not going to, you know, if you addressed all the people that are upset at You know, you're very young in terms of, like, someone who's going to be president. For presidents? Barely. Look at Donald Trump, though. He's got great timing. But people only lived to be like 40 back then. Is it life experience, like you said, that leads you to be an immature 70-year-old?

1:36:42 and the American people, and instead sending us on these missions that are counter to that promise, that undermine our national security, It's what I bring to the table and it's what I challenge voters to ask the other candidates and to hold them to account on both of those one of the things that made him very attractive to people is that he seemed like a person.

1:38:16 because that's I think what people are longing for The only way to do that is to actually What does that seem like to you? What happened with his arrest and all this stuff that just went down, I think, poses a great threat to our freedom of the press and to our freedom of speech. it has a very chilling effect on both journalists and publishers. And the latest one is hacking.

1:42:47 So they're pushing out information, once again, the freedom of the press. It's just such a disgusting way of framing things. Like, So now that we were aware of it, then, hey, we can take action to close those loopholes, Hill, was that his last name? Yeah. that time, James Clapper, who sat before a committee in the United States Senate and And yet he's somebody who you see on TV almost every day as an expert in thisonerated and brought back to the United States.

1:46:24 that threat. I don't know if you can rights as Americans and your civil liberties and your privacies and just let these intelligence agencies run free and run roughshod over us. that we've already seen the abuse of our, of our rights and privacies that we've already seen. It's got a title. Yeah. This is what has been revealed by some of that information that was released

1:49:45 Can you explain that to people? It's a one-sided conversation. And the information being provided by the government is the only are the best reforms to meet that objective of providing that oversight, making it so that those You drop the charges, but they're still going after him for something from Sweden in Julian Assange's case. And the charges against him stem from, again, this illegal operation that he in many ways is very patriotic.

1:53:48 we've got to address why he did the things that exposes egregious abuses of our constitutional And they say, any questions? Like, hey, you had this. are what influences people's decisions to go against all the things that they were saying You know, Trump was somebody who during his campaign talked a lot about ending the stupid wars, talked about going after Saudi Arabia,

1:57:43 I think working for Boeing. You see the kinds of people I'm going in with both eyes wide open and understanding the situation as it really exists, You know, you saw Trump's rhetoric on the campaign trail about Saudi Arabia, against Saudi Arabia, against United States support for Saudi Arabia, calling them out for what they are, and now refusing to end U.S. military support for this genocidal war in Yemen that Saudi Arabia is waging that's created the worst humanitarian crisis

2:00:23 and they want to make sure that this deal goes through, that it's an arms deal, and they want to make sure that this Yeah, the idea that it's just jobs. It's not just jobs. I mean, there's consequences to these jobs. I forget exactly how they described it, source of income. Yeah. I think that's certainly part of it. I think that's a, I mean, it's a strong argument. We've got to figure out how we pay for it and how it actually, you know, achieves that intended objective.

2:03:12 And I think that's overall when we look at this, I think that's the way that we should They're not happy they have those jobs. And their sacrifice has to be greater because they have to find a way to justify their position in the company. He's got $150 billion and he's going to give $75 to his wife. If you don't want that job, don't take it. And people are like, what?

2:06:20 know is is as and look this automation um really changing our economy is something that I think we're behind the curveball on because it's already happening. And we've got to work together because this is all of our futures. It's just so weaselly. and working with lawmakers who they're cozy with to get that legislation in there. Wow. Yeah. So would you have to simplify the tax code?

2:10:46 the tax code and try to make corporations accountable and make sure that they have to pay? but you know the idea that amazon's figured out how to weasel that out like that's preposterous charity and balance it out? Or do I just take these cuts where they are and let everybody know, can I make a positive impact? You've got 100 years if you're lucky.

2:13:46 Yeah. That's what's really going on. No, it's glaringly clear. They're very concerned with automation and they're very concerned with artificial intelligence. applications, in terms of there's a lot of concern that what we're experiencing now with did you watch that show Black Mirror? It's a great show. It's on Netflix, but a lot of it is dystopian stories

2:17:31 to deal with that. Because my concern is, as we see with so many of these other weapon systems, going to do whatever we want. Look, you guys took over this world because of nuclear power. We're going to take over this world because of autonomous weapons innovation is that they're inexorably connected to their government in some way, shape, or form.

2:19:48 We've done it ourselves. What can you do to stop that? regulations and responsibility that government has to play in regulating what businesses can You know, so that can be enforced within the federal government, right? So if the State Department is saying, hey, the federal government is not going to purchase any Huawei-produced products, And that this is a Chinese company and that because this Chinese company is connected

2:22:51 And some of these network devices do have some sort of a third-party input or some ability Trump is escalating, I think is really, really dangerous. It's having a negative impact on That's a scary thought. That trade imbalance with China is a real issue. Why does that trade imbalance exist? okay, the United States and China, they've been working through these issues. They're on the

2:26:42 that? Why would he make a tweet like that? You threaten their ability to provide for their people. Yeah, that was crazy. doing this, we're going to invest not just trillions, but hundreds or thousands of trillions de-escalate these tensions, work out our differences, and walk us back from the brink, and that is ending the federal prohibition on marijuana. There has been a correlation

2:32:12 that helping hand up as they start to put back the pieces of their life is something that we as a The fact that they're developing these incredibly potent opioids. They're toxic. regulators and lawmakers, both. Thank you so much. Good luck to you. Appreciate it. All right, folks. On the road. Good luck.