Joe Rogan Experience #1302 — Ed Calderon Transcript

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0:00 Boom, boom, boom, boom. Well, I love your Instagram. that's kind of led me into teaching myself how to survive in that environment, And what I thought was going to be, you know, community policing and stuff like that turned into a full-on you know here's a assault rifle and just go climb up on that humby with mill shit or something in my head but the uh but the but the um the the you know there were there

3:18 freely done on both sides uh border waits that used to take an hour now would take three hours i had most of my experience is the baja son, Sonora, Juarez type region, northern Mexico, basically. And among all of this movement, there's a giant organized crime war going on. Yes. over there we don't uh ask them for anything let them pass that's you know we don't do anything

6:14 We're going to declare war. One of them was Lieutenant Colonel Lizaola. everything, you expected it to be regular law enforcement. three dead. Out of how many? Out of horribly you know mutilated and all this type of stuff tortured tortured you know and that kind of of friends that are in uh military up here in the u.s and it's not like uh it's not like them they

10:15 I, And it's like, whoa. it's i think it's in a museum somewhere in mexico city uh where a lot of these gold guns that's up It's also fear-based corruption. It seems like somebody had to hear all that digging. So a lot of the people that El Chapo actually used for these tunnel operations, for some reason that might not be, you know, done to the u.s you know it's why do you think they did that like what what what was the roman

14:40 This is the good one. all that type of stuff on both sides. and these investments would pay later on. instead of Christmas down there, they celebrate the Day of the Kings. Because if you can get a guy like El Chapo, who at least in terms of like popularity, that are still out there somewhere. So he's more slick. phenomenon in his time and age but he was one man now imagine replicating that type of insanity over the span of mexico and it's about

17:50 They get together and have meetings and sometimes they kill each other. dedicating themselves to heroin there's still some weed fields. or now being made in Mexico, like industrial level stuff. that are trying to take control over the whole thing. Every president comes in, has all these plans to eradicate the cartels. That's what people say. But that's what he was saying

21:29 When I got out, Tijuana had been on the top most dangerous cities on the planet list, I was down there two days ago, and it's basically cartel on cartel so they're working at one side oh so that's a problem too yeah so so people that aren't aware you know we Because every time, well, not going to call them that, federal investigation police called the AFI.

24:34 It's the same guy. because each state government i mean well the uh putting people in that were clearly guilty of things, you know, There's no anonymity in that regard, so you would have to sign things. but it's questionable if it's effective or not. I saw a lot of people go through it, I'd say 30% probably. car that i drove out of the office with you know a shitty truck that i had that i bought uh that i bought when i uh you know off my own dime first truck first car and i drove out of the office

28:14 Prove it, you know? There's obviously these unwritten rules of you wouldn't tell on this guy. Was it your president that called for a decriminalization of all drugs in America to go along with Mexico? lowering things actually made things kind of worse how's it made things worse uh they changed So you know because of the color? because the reason why these drug cartels have so much power is because they're selling drugs

31:10 Yeah. Yeah. Where the fuck does somebody buy a submarine? Sunk? Well, so yeah, I've seen submarines, drones, like a squadron of drones with a bunch of loads on it flying. lot of americans running around in mexico yeah that's that's that's and there's a lot of cowboys in some place in your and that you would get a call you know oh they're they're fine just you

34:13 uh obama administration era after uh the whole fast and furious thing things kind of went dark So there were very specific types of guns, you know. And they said, oh, well, just say we're selling it to them to track it. I mean, there's blood. People say it was happening way before. like a bad idea the main thing you would hear is people settlement and fast and

37:38 And all of them were obviously U.S. origin guns. things you know uh because down there there's there's no such thing as top secret clearance in Mexico, you know. The U.S. invading Mexico. Could be. Yeah, yeah. And then all of our leadership started rolling around in armored vehicles, called la bestia which is like a giant. Oh, my God. I mean, how far does it escalate?

42:29 So he would get bodies every night and he Basically it dissolves bodies, you know, and there's just no way of giving them a body. are all getting killed all getting uh got got in the All getting got in the cartel operations and killed or recruited, forcefully recruited or voluntarily recruited, but the whole generation is just wiped out. There's also definitely an addiction to money from the U.S. side for counter-cartel operations.

45:09 You know, good people that are there that I know there's some amazing guys down there doing amazing work. Yeah. on the side that was the entry you know and or you know we'll pay you this much what is it like And, you know, it's something that follows you. force yes and then you think it's a conscious effort i think i think it's uh so you keep them cop are probably along the same range as far as shame you know wow yeah uh we wouldn't eat at any

49:03 the whole, you're going to be a cop because you know somebody in there because of what uh the the government first started uh targeting certain uh cartel heads to try to gain power. So we should This isn't a Mexican problem anymore, specifically, And people are sometimes kind of horrified by some of the stuff that I post up, some of the cases down there.

51:28 Don't get me wrong. kidnapping people and a lot of other things that you cut off at least some of the vehicle routes You know, coyote. put pictures of it up the other day we're like look how hilarious this is the difference between That's funny. but you're never going to have like fentanyl just over the counter. They work in human trafficking. They got a hero's welcome?

56:05 I don't know. You want to talk about a kick-ass corrido, like a folk song sung about you? And you pay somebody to make one for you, or somebody makes it for you. hiding or or not or not play any in any places where the rival cartels you know territories are to prostitutes, to drug dealers. and pictures of guys in the U.S. and there's a reaper behind it

59:43 I don't think we understand there's videos of that stuff out there. We think about, oh my God, look at ISIS. it's near la jolla yeah you just it's you go to la jolla you see these fucking multi-million dollar estates with this gorgeous view and everyone's driving ferraris and porsches That felt like a good pat on the back. But it seems like they're getting cartel-on-cartel crime

1:02:33 Extortion. She's pretty hot. Sociopathic. That's how you get it. Sociopathic. you would see these events and then things calming down, you know, the And he got nine attempts on his life. no it's it's uh that was a solution brought in by the right side of the political Ah. and that kind of affected me a little bit, found a million dollars somewhere and you're right running or shit like that right so i had to leave

1:07:30 This is a lady with a cookie. Yeah, well, they definitely have it down now but it's just it shouldn't be illegal in the first I'm inspecting the crystals, Joe. When you're looking at weed Andrew Santino speaks the truth. Good question. I'm going to sit over here. Was there a sense of frustration when it was legalized in so many states in the united states

1:10:41 and put it in a jar with alcohol and rub it on her muscles. So I was like, they should make this exclusive. ingrained in the culture and that they they look at these people like folk heroes that this is a things are getting even more complicated now with, like scare tactics. they got there and maybe a bit more and you know a bunch of memes came up because of it uh as they

1:13:26 Yes. And the reason why they were so adverse to these guys coming in is that they were, a lot of them, gang members, you know, 14th Street gang members. Wow. All of a sudden now we have Haitians in the culture. I was around there when the famous picture of the lady with the kids running towards the border happened. That was their thing. It was a massive nightmare.

1:16:32 is really well yeah why is that i think uh the whole our i'm going to defend our people type but they're not boots on the ground no well they're not not that you're not boots on the So did they plan on actually trying to get across? And then you would see them on their social media accounts from back home, or something like that you think they have investments they it's in their best interest

1:19:24 Yeah, there's a lot of that. Oh, didn did not happen with a guy who killed his girlfriend down there yeah there's a case something I was staying with my family in Puta Mita at the Four Seasons. Yeah. you know a lot of the money that moves around down there there's some sort of relationship with it a combat veteran, a few days off you know that's about it you come back to work wow and uh medical wise you know you like i i've

1:22:32 you probably have this because this is what I had because I was in Iraq. Somebody, one of my asshole friends, marine friends, gave me a Mexican drug drug war veteran hat because all they all those guys involvement this is barely related but did you have any involvement or know anybody that had any involvement with those Mormon cults that are down there?

1:24:30 us but people don't know that like mitt romney's dad the reason why mitt romney's dad never ran you can probably get some free drinks if you tell them you're Irish, because the Irish betrayed the Americans in the last Mexico-American War. And the cartels were, you know, wanted to do more against them. So what kind of military did they have that protects this town?

1:26:46 So somehow they procured firearms down there. mean again it's a weird american like town in the middle of juarez i mean how many people goela uh There's a lot of Mexican converts down there as well. It's one of several. they were openly doing things to keep people from not coming to their town. It's a weird place. Yeah. in ways that were, like, unrealistic

1:29:36 There's definitely a cartel here in the U.S. No, they should fix their own shit. There's a few people. better and how we should all work together. He was one. It's just that there's a lot more bad people willing to kill. world country that's there's a lot of cosmopolitan places uh just across the border that aren't executed all of them and some of the people on the inside with the cartel guys would put zip

1:34:13 discreet in how they move these guys used to use drug mules and drug tunnels now they use it was kind of like a reporting you know so i was trying to share things with people to try and raise awareness. Academy, uh, surreal, you know, this kid from TJ is now at the FBI Academy showing some weird Flip them and weaponize them? And I would write all these things down, document most of them.

1:37:19 them a flash drive with a bunch of pictures from stuff down there and they would like be blown away Kind of, you you know we downplay I mean, again, thank you for this invitation. but yeah definitely start talking about it that's the first step and a lot of people of them died nobody knows who they are right how many are still out there nobody knows who they are

1:40:15 If somebody doesn't hire me, The cartel is a terrorist organization, you know? they're thinking about declaring the cartels as a terrorist organization. But just realize that's going to be open warfare, not in a foreign country across the ocean. you see a lot of the cross you know borders uh u.s military assets training Mexican Marines down there There's a lot of misdirection that I personally see in myself.

1:43:05 Ed Manifesto thanks for coming in here