Joe Rogan Experience #1315 — Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell Transcript

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0:00 Two, one, boom. And we're live. First of all, cheers, gentlemen. Let's have a little toast. Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers. You went like, huh? You can call that a subset of Area 51. Well, the way this went down was um at that time it was 1982 i um i put uh a jet engine in my Hey, I'm the guy you're reading about there. That's pretty much how it started.

4:06 something like that, something relatively generic. And they said, it's in a remote area. or at the Tonopah test range north of there. But there was no mention of Area 51 at that time. There's areas where they test chemical weapons and things like that. That's when I flew into area 51 proper and I left uh McCarran airport and flew what they call the

6:35 because so much time has gone by. It's in the side of a mountain. I slid my hand alongside it. So he was very talkative and couldn't wait to show me different things. Well, I actually have to back up any gravity. The only way we get gravity is from large quantities So like when you take two magnets and you're trying to press them together and they push against each other?

9:50 Like when you felt that and you knew that there was nothing that you were aware of that could produce this? compartmentalize everything. what they were describing? I mean, they'll intentionally insert nonsense into them. How did they turn it on? It's load sensing. project. So there was no progress made? There was some progress. I mean, we did it, you know, when I left the project. So there was no progress made?

14:01 Yeah, the reactor in particular. But from what I understand, according to Barry, there was an attempt made. But they were all from somewhere else? But they gave you some indication that they've been working on these for a while? We still don't. What is your life like from that moment on is that where everything changes because you do you i mean i would imagine

16:57 However, in short order, it began to concern me. and just dropping it in a room, and they come and look at it and see that it's producing power So they had had a series, as far as you surmised, they had a series of different scientists try to back engineer this thing, try to figure out what this thing was. It could have been there for five years. how it was made how what we saw how it operated the materials

20:18 Now, yeah. When you read Zeta Reticuli, were you like, what in the fuck is this? I said, this is awesome So you read through all the Zeta Reticuli thing Hard, so many years. You think it was bullshit? it's on a completely different meaning. Well, I guess you would say it's anti-gravity. But they won't be able to understand what the hell's going on.

24:47 They could just watch what was going on and make note of it. Particle accelerators, linear particle accelerators, are just a, you know, When did it become on the periodic table now, the way the charts now? After that, called it Moscovian. Yeah. through this just give me a minute we'll just give you more i just want to say one yeah definitely The document, there's been detractors.

27:54 they synthesized the two or three atoms of the 115 uh it did decay and it was not a stable element deuterium and tritium. And deuterium isn't radioactive. It's another It absolutely came with the craft, yeah. and this was important because where the reactor sat Like, what are you seeing? Everything was really unworldly, to pick a way to describe it.

31:16 Yeah, and the seats were small, too. I mean, it's just a very bare-bones thing. So through that archway it would be it It was cold to the touch, so I would lean more towards a metal. they split everything off and everybody becomes stagnant. And when you see this craft and you're inside, was there any indication that there was an area that they would use to control it, to pilot?

34:21 They're not consoles. Right. But I physically was in the center section, and I stuck my torso in the bottom section and hung upside down so I could see how the gravity amplifiers were positioned. How are they different? But that was the only one where I saw there was you know actual physical damage to it Yeah, I mean, this is – Barry was there. But—

37:58 I kind of thought he was going to come out after I did. was dennis mariani and kind of a military looking guy and he would routinely pop in during the day No? But what did you do while you were there? If you're looking at this object, this reactor, and you can't figure out what it is or how it works, Nothing works at 100% efficient. we started playing around with the emission from the emitters,

41:45 Because some they were doing some tests where they're having these things fly around in the sky. We went out there, and the craft was already outside the hangar because you were the that was the only craft that you were the only one that i i touched and worked it hovered silently if you want to be specific wow so then what kind of maneuvers was it doing

44:27 I mean, that's something we talked about for a while after. Why should the frequency bend around the craft and the way they operated didn't make any sense to us. I mean, that's something we talked about for a while after. You're bending gravity. um and did they discuss this with you i mean they said they wanted you to see it no they just the test site um but they were doing some radical moves with it and since i had the test flight schedule, statistically, the amount of traffic in the surrounding areas on the highway was lowest on Wednesdays.

47:18 But you would get these phone calls. top secret clearance or military top secret clearance, they go talk to friends and, you know, So they stopped me coming in, and their attitude at the time was um we need to see how this is going to going on. And like, you don't need to take my word for it. Wednesday night, we need to all go out a bright light jumping around.

50:26 show clips of it in my film it's it's online and someone did a deep analysis of it uh it was And remember, this is 17, 15, 17 miles south of Area 51. just kind of like that. until I talked with George. Okay. So you filmed this test flight, one test flight, and then you get caught. I mean, I don't know, obviously, what the government. and then have a wall and then move it around the wall like you know how it moves around the wall

53:46 We should try it again the next test flight day. and just for some reason we just started talking shit. Like, well, I hope they realize that I don't remember what we were saying, There were a bunch of guards standing right out there. Yeah, yeah. And then they got real serious. and that this is kind of when the most stressful part started. Because you're realizing that you're being monitored 24-7.

56:55 and makes everybody aware of it, and that's how I found out about it. and, well, I really don't want to talk about that. And not just full of shit. I'm sure. Joe, it would be a disservice to your audience to not say that we have to look at what's going on now and understand. I got that from him. So we trust them, but they're not trained observers. Radar, individuals see these things.

1:01:05 That was the mother program. It's like, they're making up another UFO name. the UFO topic. Senator Reed, you know, he's done a lot for the subject, the study of it, right? Totally, and that's cool. But guess what? When? Luckily, my mentor is George Knapp, and he's taught me the pitfalls as I went through it. you just don't have the information yet.

1:04:09 So I was like, Bob, they've announced gravity as a wave. You might know more. It says it was in 2016. and 29 solar masses and the subsequent ring down of the single resulting black hole. the moon, which is roughly one quarter the size of the Earth, has one sixth of the Earth's you can pretty much do anything. You can affect time. You can have force fields. All that stuff

1:07:06 What you're talking about here, longer these things have been around than us? Who knows what their evolutionary cycle's been? No, I'm fascinated with the technology. And what he recently told me is he found, I don't know, it was either documentation or people that he spoke to, now i'm in the position to know and it is a real document that it is real so the conversation you

1:09:56 There it is. So Admiral Wilson meets with this scientist, and they have this discussion, oddly enough, at special projects at EG&G. This happens. And he's going to a private part of industry, and he is denied access. It's between a scientist and an admiral that are sitting and they're having a meeting and they're talking about the search for the UFO subject, the search to get special access program access to all of these different things like reverse engineering programs.

1:11:54 Yeah, he used to own it. uh you know we try and do what we can and You've got security, and then someone's going to be on the outside saying, What private industry? But it just left a seed in my mind. Yeah. how could you uncover something like that and joe's newspaper at home does i mean they said This is, I can tell you how I- The $22 million was for OSAP that was pushed through through Congress, three congressmen, right, an astronaut.

1:16:11 Oddly enough, that 22 million all was inspired by the phenomenon they were seeing at Skinwalker Ranch. But if you look, I spent a lot of time in the area. This document is just one of those things that has now come forward that, You're out of this program. And, you know, he said, well, let's just get it on tape. And I thought it was too. So you actually physically wrestled?

1:19:47 going on camera with me soon he'll tell the story now that he's out of work up there he was working And George and everybody, you know, said that. people that are police officers and firefighters and first responders Those are the two big questions. Right. There's no way. If I'm the president, okay, Absolutely not knowing what to tell people Well not only that, what can you say?

1:23:35 You can force your will upon anybody. Yeah. and EMP tests and stuff like that, Yeah, the commies. But, you know, in typical American fashion, it was, all right, this is ours. I'm a human. Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either. before the new york times so i know this one really well commander fravor and those pilots then either no so that is called the gimbal so there's three videos released by the pentagon

1:27:38 It's been recently analyzed. fast could just hover for an hour. 2015. was causing the disturbance, So this wasn't a radar blip or anything. when it wants to leave it's gonna flips up points the wheels where it wants to go and takes off. And the gimbal video, you can see the craft do the roll maneuver. And it's really interesting. It behaves exactly like the craft that I worked on. like we have different shaped aircrafts and fighter jets and cars they probably have different

1:31:06 We don't know, right? Well, the only reason I say that is because, look, like this. Right. So if you think about what they had in 1988 that they're essentially trying to create. Well, they could just be synthetic life. Well, you see a clear progression of evolution, too, where something like that, I would lean towards synthetic organism because it looks like it was made for a specific task.

1:34:31 some sort of thing that doesn't have these biological limitations that we have. Why? And he said the same thing. And we're moving in a society to try to get away from all the things that we think are abhorrent about human beings Because, okay, what are we doing when we're constantly technologically innovating? by this yeah mcclune was brilliant and that that quote has always been one of my favorites because

1:37:00 beehives are the same fucking thing that you see 10 years ago. You go by, you see a beehive, What would you do? Yeah. of people people listening to you through it it's connecting us in ways even involuntarily Well, that's a vast conspiracy theory. There's some sort of imperative, this need for technological innovation. have to make a cocoon then i'm becoming a butterfly this could be a natural part of evolution it could

1:39:42 And now they do it, but they do it independently. Well, there's these primatologists. five hundred thousand years ago but they're actively using tools and they're experimenting Everywhere you go I barely have my hand on the wheel To do it that way. It's Bluetooth streaming from my phone, and I pulled that podcast, which came out today out of the fucking sky, and I'm listening to it, and I'm all comfortable in my nice little

1:41:39 But is it frightening? Guys, life is running from crocodiles. I don't even have an email address, man. This has been proven. and they used to print people's names We terraform. i'm telling you that there is something here that's there's a fact you know there's something in a lot of ways you know but in that way we're not well yeah we're we're children that have

1:44:53 paper or you have Bitcoin or you have whatever the fuck you're using, using a credit card. make better things yeah why the fuck do we need oil why do we need oil why can't we just burn is that like new york city that's there's none of it right you just got you've got central park and A blink of an eye And everything's trying to spring up through that

1:47:18 with the ability to calculate and manipulate our world and our environment And then one day, but yeah someone's are you implying that they're us i don't think they are us but i think they are And one of the most mind-blowing things was he has this Of hundreds of billions Other little darts Uniformity in that form, you do see binary star systems, you do see single star systems,

1:50:16 given the right sets of circumstances? Project Galileo, Project Sidekick was supposed to be weapon applications of the craft. Well, it could be because gravity affects time, you know, space time. But, you know, my point was was was that well one of two things either there's a gravitational envelope in there which negates any inertia They noticed it on radar 60 seconds after it left Commander Fravor,

1:53:26 That's a spy one does the really cool. and that these things were not really connected. Yeah, I know, again, but that's just simple electromagnetic induction. have happened in terms of innovation had he been allowed to go forward with that well we probably we'd have it'd be great you can turn lighters on and heaters from all over the place with no wires

1:56:08 progression under another timeline other than the one that we've experienced yeah that's difficult but we don't see it in terms of technological innovation because you're like obsessed with this thing that you could recognize you know the re yeah i i only like that in a honeycomb shape that was essentially some sort of sheet metal and you could walk on

1:58:14 that were used to make the craft? Now, one of the things that's happened to you that has allowed people to discredit you was there's obviously been some sort of an effort to erase your past. and they were trying to use that as a way to discredit you, But, yeah, that was frightening that months i mean it was ridiculous but fortunately somebody came up with a 1982 phone book directory. I mean, and also, originally, I told you, you know, when I worked there, I was on the front page of the paper. So they were still able to archive, you know, bring that back from the archives. And, you know, Bob Lazar, a physicist working here at Los Alamos. So there was at least something there.

2:00:39 We'll meet people. That was S4. What was it? are extremely unique and easy to measure And, Jeremy, you found this. beginning of biometrics. Thank you, man, because you know what? So, yeah. with me. He was a technician for one of these and he hated them because they were really bad. Well, that disappeared also. And have they verified that they went to school with you?

2:04:42 Well, it's frightening. I think you should look at things and look at things from a hardline science perspective. And I find a lot of them to be lazy. Yeah, that does happen. What can the public have, right? pen is i mean how could i possibly know uh so mike thig pin was the guy that did the security It sounds interesting, but let's see if he's telling the truth.

2:07:15 Ghosted him. a tea later i don't but that is real is actual. So handwritten note that says what? You know, this is new to me. Yeah. and they lift a little card. So if you're listening, I found the guy. But anyway, this unique name Bob said for 30 years, You just get more info. look at all the things that the detractors have said if you look at all of the new recent evidence

2:10:28 No kidding Even a Who said They're shooting lasers Disinformation agents They're coming forward. Why did you have a migraine? The guy's gone through Why do I have to say that You were he doesn't want to touch it i don't take any money from this stuff. covered in that regard that you haven't profited off of this and like you said that you have And, I mean, maybe you didn't understand what that cost would have been when you first initially came forward with the story.

2:14:25 Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night.