Joe Rogan Experience #1320 — Eric Weinstein Transcript

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0:00 create but without bullshit it's very important when you recreate you have no bullshit so it's That is a weird one. Mel Brooks. I mean, he was transitional, right? Right. It's one of the, I think I saw recently that he turned 93 and I thought, shit, is he dead? vital because you know we want desperately to be connected to something before Yeah, you used to have to yell.

3:27 Like, hey, it's Joe. But then who leaves voicemail? The texting thing, the problem is, Like, this is madness. so there's the scene where he's having some really hot intergenerational sex and this gal says like And she's being silly. Pete But in terms of this weird thing about islands of time, one of the things that we do Yeah, I know if I text Ben Shapiro, I'm not getting a text back on Saturday until it's dark.

7:05 I actually lived in Jerusalem for two years, And about a month in, somebody said, oh, you're in the wrong place. than believing that somehow Israel don't have to think about all these other things so now we have the freedom to just be alone now photo sometimes of the sunrise earning the sunrise and like but you would think god is like a prison ice cream or something or slice of pie and it's like you know the drama of, there it was. Temptation. I held out for 45 minutes.

10:18 There's this story about Jackie O that she got this cancer diagnosis. What's happening over there, Jamie? uninterrupted by sex. Really? Yeah. I don't know. When I turned 40, I found that and I was sort of clowning around with the person behind the bar at starbucks and she said oh why are you down i said That's all right. behind a bar we'd established a rapport before that actually i actually think she thought it was

13:06 You asked me Which may turn our lips funny colors But it does give you a little phlegm Just talking to him and hanging out with him and seeing how his brain works. of innovations are given that lots of other things aren't innovating at anything like the And it's so weird looking. I was asking you before. And if you think about sport from the perspective of when did things just change like almost overnight,

15:39 But part of the innovation is safety, right? surfing's fascinating to me i don't do it i haven't done it but i went snorkeling when i was Just. College kid from yeah from Like great whites are not apex predators Yeah. There's so many recorded instances of swimmers, paddleboarders, surfers running into orcas. Some weird thing is going on, and we have to work this out, Joe.

19:04 I think it's a different kind of slavery. Really complex, high-level thinking. of continuing life Well, if you have a resource that's limiting, you'd be better off in terms of systems of selective pressures of shifting something that is continuing past that point. Right. And the strategy that the female dolphins have acquired to mitigate that is that they become sluts.

21:45 someone else's babies so the females and you know if she's carrying around cubs the male will try It's like professional courtesy. as the boat is pushing the water they just sort of it like helps them along almost like reverse Yeah You could be an asshole Hey, watch this. You have to have shoes. They don't have to worry about carrying credit cards and Bitcoin and all that nonsense.

24:15 And then they're like, oh, cool, thank you for organizing my dinner. They're doing great. The other ones are like, no, I'm kind of a creature of habit. I don't know. Like, what do you do when people, you know, they catch fish? lieutenants who are trying to take over his role and the the lieutenant seemingly can have sex with look at those dead babies that is so fucked up i don't know if they're all dead but they might be

28:08 It's wild William Brandoff Hearst joe rogan experience i finally told you comes from the word cannabis all canvas was made from hemp yes I did not all and you'll have it thick around like like a man's cover that said hemp the new billion dollar crop and because they had this decorticator right so That's just the inside part of it. It's crazy. No, no, no.

33:01 this marijuana like it was this gigantic conspiracy so that this fucking piece of shit could save money. He had access. with other american products instead it will displace imports of raw material and manufactured from the Bush administration What the fuck's his name? Same thing. just the fact that our language and our thought process around this.

36:16 Somebody would say 5-MeO-DMT, somebody else would say ketamine, somebody else would say I see. It's way different. the best for the isolation tank that's my favorite my favorite is a good stiff dose of an edible of when your eyes are closed, you have wild almost like neon visuals like i start you start seeing these strange dancing much of this is not well you How much of this is not?

39:41 is some kind of a drug Look, when I get out there, I get way the hell out there. So you like an ambient level of distraction, which is most helpful for, look, when I get out there, I get way We'll talk about this one off the air. living in the abstractions that's interesting like do you feel the same way about like a crowded And sometimes I'll sort of experiment with people.

42:18 Are you going to just be the same old you? You should wear aviators with yellow lenses Don't even. If I was going to move cities, when's the best time to try it? Yeah. And if we change anything, people get angry. And yet people want to plug in with the idea that John Lennon was just the guy who wrote Imagine, let's say. Because it's a disingenuous conversation.

45:19 The international dork web? and so she said, I'm going to re-record the song, People from Florida use that one. If you do that, then anybody who sort of invested in that version of you and integrated that into their lives is now angry. And I like the idea of doing things that are different. sane and plugged in and open-hearted and open to new things but also rigorous and fair

47:54 And effectively trying to become the adults in the room as we watch the kids run riot. You have one. Yeah. realize that and you self-correct that's great but there's a lot of people that are bending to We knew that something was going on years ago. We had an influx. That this stuff was kind of happening where they were recognizing But how do you know that that's what that is?

51:56 photograph at that dinner yeah um there was this huge number of jokes about ben shapiro and a booster seat that were all slightly different versions of the joke and all of the accounts were like strikingly similar. uh, I believe that, and blind him and confuse him. Dunk. No? And so they think it's cute to just constantly shit on him. done my two previous appearances not but it seems you know it's easy to think that you did that but

55:32 And I worry about it because I'm not large enough yet that I've been the target of a steady campaign. A lot of the comments said, wow, Eric, I haven't really seen you this aggressive. Like in that case, And there's another one. Yes. one of my favorite people in the world. I found astounding was that everybody was taking the piss out of each other. And it was the most

58:37 I was probably the only guy there who wasn't some form of a combat sport veteran. He's so silly. ex-girlfriend she calls me up she goes your friend came inside me and i went what she goes yeah your fucking friend came inside That's Brian Callen. All of our conversations are like jokes and hazing and shitting on each other. Just like he's clowning. It was a game reserve.

1:01:29 get real close to them in some environments but cheetahs uh in particular a lot of people keep Yeah. But deer oftentimes eat birds. It's weird. Hyenas imagine choosing the hyena that's your system that is that is an animal that bites so fucking He's hanging out with these hyenas. because i think a lot of these have to do with imprinting oh yeah for sure yeah well that was

1:04:41 the tide right where people got a chance to see what orca captivity is really like. That sits on the desk for Phil. Bruce Lee. And then that is a different one. outside of their ecosystem. very cool guy he was on the podcast recently hey what happened uh what do we know about the I really enjoyed our conversation. It's just, it fucks people's head up.

1:07:48 That's one of the things he wanted me to come to his church. Sunday's your family time. It was like a little bit of a tense situation. him creatively well you do you remember um oliveracks had this chapter in The Man Who Stuck His Wife for a Hat about a drummer with Tourette's Syndrome? I mean, his music is pretty fucking amazing. but one of the things that really impressed me

1:10:14 And, you know, by exploring these contradictions and these false fronts and, you know, he's look at true outliers. i'll say you left is that it's not healthy here so where are you well um maybe maybe this is a So the portal is, And I called it the portal story. Oh, that's right. present of a car in a tollbooth and he goes through the tollbooth. you leap to conclusion so you suddenly jump i mean it's all very clever wordplay and stuff

1:15:35 which is plenty impressive from the outside. He did a lot of buildings around Barcelona. eh, and idiosyncratic architect wow but are they doing work on it there they haven't finished it and in which people have no idea it's out there. And it is the basis of the construct That guy was, do you take drugs? In part. Pineal. So this guy has, it's 100% DMT-inspired artwork.

1:19:26 Thank you, Sean. I mean, that's a tryptamine-type experience. right book? We learn to stop looking for the portal. i think what i what i do differently than other people is And what you see people doing is that they start grasping for everything. With all of the rationality, with all of the mystery we've taken out of the world, it's Maybe during some kind of a trip,

1:22:47 Well, my guess is that that's probably back to the root lattice of E8, which we discussed last time, which has this kind of Mandela pattern to it. 20th century was actually an alien visitation. Well, maybe yes, maybe no, I don't know anything that you're a hair's breadth away from superpowers. And then there's something called j and k. So in essence, the octonians are a system where I, J, K keeps going effectively through elemental PQR, you know,

1:25:55 as to which order you did it. the Octonian, they ain't associative. They're a number system that is responsible for most of the How are they recognized? Well, like, for example, it's very hard to think about the square root of negative one. So you're sort of, to build the next system, Yeah, and it is a call to adventure. You know C. elegans okay. We're missing a species that we can completely describe soup to nuts.

1:29:16 becomes a tiny microscopic worm for every possible division. What in the fuck am I looking at? know that we have completely mapped how one cell, The letter C. It's not the not c cell types that you and I have. So maybe we have like 250, like only 250 different kinds of adult Pretty simple life. What the hell is that? Like you're looking at... I don't have any doubt.

1:33:37 It's really the design. Really what I'm animated by is get your fucking social engineering out of my laboratory. And there is a distinction. yeah, All right. with like 10 or 11 significant digits Peter Boghossian. but activism and scholarship aren't, that is purely beautiful and aspirational is contradicted by some system in nature to be true in sort of this way of reimagining the world and they're also demanding compliance this

1:38:55 And what you're saying is when one of them, that is this sort of frivolous, airy, kind of utopian version of what they like the future to be and that interferes What does that mean by exclusion is equally important? yes okay now in order to have the objection like there's some little bit of guilt which is like So the voice that plays the card, which says, well, you're only saying that because X.

1:41:19 Well, for them, they're trying to engineer a more fair and balanced society. If I was going to take their perspective, they would say that the reason why there aren't more women in science or trans people in science or, you know, feeling like… Yeah. saying, well, I don't know, that guy abused himself and put himself at risk and devoted more represented we want more of that that kind of person that's interested in something when they might not necessarily naturally gravitate towards it and it might not be that there's some impediments

1:44:15 of engaging and answering this point, It's not an unfairness that I'm not represented on that stage. You know, if I told you that We can make him better than he was. Yeah, we need daily stem cells. When you get someone who's learning how to strike and they're in their 20s, it takes try to figure out why they're a thing trying to figure out what what are the main points and main

1:47:31 Okay, but my wife went on Dave Rubin's show. and showed that economics, without any alteration, So she went on Dave Rubin and said, look, it's not about abilities. But that's also because he said it within the environment of Google. that have a very technical nature to them. and then you've got another group of people who are like saying you know i want to have children

1:51:51 I do believe in structural oppression. And rather than saying. And that person usually felt isolated and would often kind of leave the program. And then one you had a very successful career. How did you come back? You know, one of everything is structural oppression? at the same level that you could employ them before. and ideology isn't a large part of the offer.

1:55:49 The baby boomers amplified the hell out of it. when you give people an option to find an excuse yeah they gravitate towards that when you create Somebody who's indeterminate between male and female physiologically. I don't want to... Could have been you, could have been me. too, right? Now, trans is a much more rich world because there are a million different issues

1:59:06 but needs instruction. All of these things are conflated. And I was really hoping that if we, You have a uterus. right some people are born with like serious neurological diseases that don't allow them to be motile. All right. Like it's one thing to recognize that not everybody is in the standard category, but It says male or female. Emotionally. this is fun i'm glad you're asking me these questions because usually i have to be on the

2:02:10 We have to recognize that every single population produces gender sexual ambiguity. of homosexuality being a grievous crime because like i believe in iran it's illegal to have and you know i always bring up the example of turkish where turkish doesn't hard code the It's like, no, it isn't. Not only that. Right. Because the edge case are, they are human beings that are. Do you want to chase a couple of edge cases? Everybody with a really different experience is more important to me than everyone with a standard experience.

2:05:30 Well, I think there's also a problem with who's the activist okay just a fisherian equivalence. How much of this is about path dependence? You do some very careful thing in order to understand that they have to take care of elderly parents there is absolutely no variation between groups It's something you'd have to investigate. before. And the only reason that it becomes interesting to me is that suddenly we're making

2:09:14 felt that charles murray had been railroaded by him by he sam harris and then as sam came to I think so. It just isn't. literature comedy whatever whatever it is movies they can make things they can do things they have a genius in in their ability and that There's one scale. I don't score well on processing. Well, also, you're not even thinking. Yeah, something like this.

2:13:04 Well, you're correct. My point being that if you don't have a high confidence in normal metrics, Well, this is the issue, which is you have a situation in which he appeared to have a political orientation, immigrant groups that come over to america also to be black. If you wanted to look at Nigerians in terms of like, if you wanted to, if you, if you,

2:15:50 They see superiority athletically, artistically, musically. athletic accomplishments that these white amer Americans can't keep up with. I think so. we would never have had to deal with it. I mean, I'm a competitive guy and you do comedy, I do some amount of music. is this new thing which is that all imbalances are all structural oppression It's like the comedy store is essentially like the Harvard Research Labs of stand-up comedy.

2:20:21 And that's why you say it has this kind of lubricious quality. for example, microcephaly. You've got people with smaller heads than the rest of us, maybe because Mosaic down syndrome doesn't have the same profile as regular down syndrome. that in some way some sort of prejudice should we avoid examining their cognitive if we avoid and that a lot of our genetics and our history predisposes us to bad

2:23:20 statement that didn't look at the differences between different kinds of epithelium and which is visibly off from the rest of their body. Now, I want to be struggling with other people who are saying, look, I don't know what the answers are. And it's not going to work in the long term. And I think when we're talking about compassionate human beings looking out for each other and that this should be something that we all – this is like one of our primary concerns whenever we address any issue.

2:27:30 Weird way. narrative trotted out over and over again as a justification for violence against him when the someone gets hit a bunch of people just jump in and hit them it happens at truck stops and the hell are people doing supporting right andy no being beaten up on video so let's stay stay He's gay. were how many people saw the video and were justifying it saying things like get another

2:31:17 Right. All right. And so you hear this thing about, I don't think that's correct. Or a bike lock. I don't think that's correct. Have you seen the image of the guy who's a suspect? So you think you're going to get into a Wile E. Coyote versus the Roadrunner kind of a thing where both of them always survive to the next cartoon? That stuns me. They all get together.

2:33:57 table to start building this up and then you can tear it the hell okay okay the first belief is because people are actually fairly courageous like Like you would have to say, with the violent fringe to their extreme, I would love to date her. that have platforms that they institutional positions, that have than somebody who's got a bike lock, who's

2:37:37 I think that's very accurate. Right? It's armed people who come and they're not bringing bike locks. Well, we're pushing ordinary human beings to the extremes. clubbing the baby seals. The people who represent responsible left-wing thinking, who believe in structural oppression but don't believe in the extent claimed, you know, who want to keep making progress, who want to make sure that traditionally

2:40:29 not be ridiculous what do we want civil war do we just want to open up tear off every band-aid for to make sure that there's always a place to do biology, to do mathematics, film tells me he deserves his money. I'm never going to do that And this is what I'm excited about. It's time to get back to real very cheap versions of progress. We're doing that.

2:44:23 I wouldn't look at them. No, no, no. I have a good time here. and when we figured out the double helix. innovation these things which while complicated um succumb to our intellects right right like We are now gods but for the wisdom. And the world's most serious human beings should be working on the twin nuclei problem. should work on that problem. But if we don't think that we have the wisdom to live like this,

2:48:31 But if human beings are to continue and we are to continue evolving, we need to spread out. So what is the answer? so far as I know. I'm not a physicist. is it. Physics and biology led I don't think I have the wisdom to figure out what it means, but at least I have a hope of trying to who was a colleague of mine from way back, and very highly regarded. And he'd sort of husbanded seven years worth of work to

2:53:51 people, unless there's a revolution. And so I started working on a different idea to unify So then the issue is, okay, we know that we're pretty, I'm pretty sure that Einstein's theory is not final. You begin a physics seminar and you're already immediately in his world. which is why I talked about the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron. And that geometry was figured out at Stony Brook in New York

2:56:52 Riemann, on whose work Einstein-based relativity, where you compress something called the Riemann curvature tensor I'll just sort of tear the mask off a little bit. We've been talking about lots of interesting And what was disappointing about it? And I totally understand this. Now, she's not a physicist, but she has access to Sean's brain and she writes on physics.

2:59:41 because it was a worldwide topic of discussion. To the extent that they get visitors, And the new scientists had to retract. And my model has a property called non-chirality. by the time I gave the second lecture, and some indecipherable thing. but I was subjected to a situation in graduate school where I had, when I had entered grad school, situation. But there was no explanation of why it was so contentious? We can talk about it on

3:04:16 There was a seminar where a guy named David Kajdan, And David Kajdan, who I will name, try to imagine you're an anonymous person in a lecture and suddenly everyone is staring at you that would have been a better outcome. So instead, I got a PhD through a very tortuous situation, and I came to give up on academics. And it's always, you know, N years away.

3:06:40 It's supposed to appear in a journal. I have a laser transport device. for a while and they're all over the world. I have lots of heterodox ideas. I don't think that I'm in a different phase. else is going to be a lot harder to do it's not going to happen did you find it A number of people have been privately asking me about the recent Guardian article and accompanying

3:09:50 an actual paper yet so physicists can't check all those hard mathematical details but trust us Yes. Well, she's a physics- but I understand the motivation. brains and thought experiments, which is what I associate with desperation physics. On the other people are playing out their roles whenever anyone has a sentence that consists of one word People are like, are you kidding?

3:14:00 I think I'm doing a damn sight better than trying, but assume that I fail completely. What is particularly problematic about Trump being in office? And I work for a friend. I mean a real friend, a person who doesn't cut and run when trouble starts. And I totally disagree with Peter. I have come to understand that Trump, I thought people would understand the Trump danger and that the Democratic Party would reevaluate their situation, but they didn't. They tripled and quadrupled down. And that is alarming. And so that's something I very much got wrong about Trump, is that even Trump wasn't enough of's going to accomplish a lot. One of the things I said before the election is he might be the best and worst of presidents. He might get us a

3:16:19 an assigned credit. I should be writing things down. can go wrong if it's right is one, that it could be weaponized before it becomes useful. And two, Europe is historically a dangerous place. All right? so it is very And I don't know. Maybe we use this podcast and some crazy ass Maybe it's egotistical. somebody talking like this who has the luxury of an invite to this podcast with no vetting with you know nothing behind him other than the hope that maybe he's done something that's

3:21:03 Like you have to deal with this. I've had a wonderful 53 years without being very well known. And every year he asked a question to like 200 scientists. Like, for example, I was very worried about professional wrestling presaging an election. Nobody cared. This is the question that obsesses me. This is when I say I've left this planet. Whether or not the consequences of those steps are ever really fully thought out.

3:23:42 And I always thought they would check in with me, but they never have. So like the federal government paid for my postdoc and the military paid for my graduate education and Harvard doesn't care and they don't, nobody cares. Will Elon get to Mars? I was born in 1965. That isn't this one. you know, we're just constantly distracted and at least this is going to be entertaining we are at three hours and three and three and a half hours see last time

3:26:17 what you've done uh in terms of empowering people like it really touched me that when my brother was shit out of luck, you did a bunch of shows could figure out how to tell a joke on a college campus. And our best comedians have figured out taught me a lot about the power of just radiating decency that, All right.