Joe Rogan Experience #1343 — Penn Jillette Transcript

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0:00 Here we go. You were just starting and then you just said, shut the fuck up. an actual real world war ii bayonet as well and you were saying war is a terrible idea yeah and after you say one death by violence is too many and we got to clean up the environment and da, would have had in their entire life. or four people we've been talking about this like taking in information you should almost think of

2:57 Right. you know, it's exactly the way I feel about drugs. But I think we're really close to being able to have some sort of an ability to read minds, Oh, for sure. what is that like because i was supposed to do that show and i passed on it yeah i was like i said, why am I going on? And just show that you're the one that gets mad the least. Because it might mar it. Oh, that's hilarious. It might put a handprint on it. They literally tell you don't put your hands on the table like this. With a table, you can't put your hands on. Why can't you put your hands on it? Because it might mar it.

5:57 They like to have some sort of business jargon. So you can't lean into the camera. that they're going to try to edit out to get three minutes where he sounds okay. Isn't that a profit? Yeah, that would be a million dollars profit. Well, they said I sold it for too That's what you want. And I said, you know, I have a fascination and a respect and a affection for people who are able to get out of their filters.

9:20 your father has somehow found a way to throw off the filters and i will listen to tiny interested in the people who are out on the margins, you know? And what Donald Jr. And also, but never even a joke. I mean, I saw that tweet. But you never saw him in person i also never saw him show any enjoyment Some people, music sounds different to people in terms of like what their emotional and

12:23 I read a lot, and also, more importantly, four years and kept it off. It's just habit. I have one daughter who loves spicy food. that oh yeah microbiome. Really fascinating stuff. That's why I'm doing the plants. It was really strange how that changed. put it in this category of kind of knucklehead dumb things to do but your body and your mind an intense thinker, and your mind is something you, I mean, you as long as I've known you, you're an intense thinker and your mind is

17:16 And those kinds of people and that kind of culture, you know, no teams between that. I can either be myself or I can be one of all humanity. Or I won't even say i love the velvet underground i hated the fucking eagles and that was a fucking team and that was And whenever you want that, you've got to say, well, you're one of the cool kids. Yes. How do you deny victim of love?

20:01 Paul Allen, who's one of the Microsoft guys. fly us all to fucking Japan to be on a cruise ship to do a fucking Penn & Teller show and then come and get you the money back and we can probably rebook weeks, so it's not going to cost you anything. And I said to Glenn, you know, now that we can work for dead people, our career is going to take off, you know, because that opens up the market, right?

22:28 Maybe it was that. clash was hitting in the u.s there were people sitting around a boardroom going how do we get Sorry. That's over. And people get furious. But not close. There's no way to tell with any of us. Yeah, okay. I went, okay, that's perfect. to the college that was nearby when I was in high school, which was UMass and all that Amherst made people laugh, but who cared? And of course, then Andy Kaufman turns that entirely inside out.

27:00 your laughs stating what you believe. And maybe that means people are laughing at you, and maybe that's okay. And Abbott and Costello had no brains. I know it has to do with drugs and view. I think that comedy is like music in that there's a whole bunch of different ways to It's a different way to express yourself. What's that? And I've had deep enough injuries that I have experience with.

29:48 and she took that as what she was supposed to give me so instantly doubled the dose and i was so Hi, motherfucker. Yes, I said that, and I was wrong. And Sam Harris is the one who got me meditating. back and that's good if you're trying to win an argument but sometimes it's bad to take in ideas So you literally travel to another dimension and then you're back.

33:03 That's where I always was, and I always left open the possibility of some of the more intense stuff. It's got kind of a good flavor but it's like it's harsh So I think if you told me, You do microdosing sprays. So how often do you... It just never was in the house. And that statistically has a huge effect And then that starts reinforcing. not good it's not i don't and i think that's also you know one of the accusations against trump that

36:48 but he won't stop. I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's fucking Adderall mindset. It's not one that self-deprecates. And this guy is saying, like, this is what you're dealing with. just inexhausted just no fucking script just goes on stage in front of everybody just ranting and inability to accept criticism, this thinking that everyone's against them,

40:07 I love you Tom but I don't know it doesn't seem like that. It will allow you to get more things done. A tremendous amount. they put my neighbor's kid on prozac was fucking horrific seems low uh 16 million adults or prescriptions Maybe that was true for 2012. I bet it's around there. You die? Let me see if you really need that Adderall shit. But on the other hand, it's like things get done when you take speed you know what we were talking about hitler the other

43:56 And the guy's like, no, I can't give you another one. it's it's amazing how much productivity gets done because of caffeine right now what is caffeine You got to fuel up early morning. Why don't you just have tea? decaf coffee or decaf tea or something yeah i like seltzer too it makes me feel like i'm doing Yeah, it makes you feel like a grown-up. No.

46:24 It feels good sometimes. I would imagine eventually someone would be like, enough is enough. We'll open up the box of doom you box it. How often do you do? You can get in it. major change in my life. The first time I wanted to become a vegan, I went out with a friend. This That was the reason I went out. He's telling me about this. You're like, I couldn't concentrate.

48:58 I used to have one in my house, and now I just have it here. in breathe out breathe in breathe out breathe in breathe out and i just concentrate on long slow rhythmic breaths and i get myself What you're experiencing when you're talking about bumping into the walls, that's just a technique thing. So you put your hands there until they're steady, hour but i have a tape recorder

51:49 Richards thing, right? But he went in the night he played it it was satisfaction my friend you haven't gotten that yet no i haven't So surreal. Now that you've got the recorder? Right. And I would just, I just think that Pinker is like that with me. than ever before. the two enormous ifs two things, the two That turns out to be true for me. And we're going to really, with our art, make an effort to make humanity better.

56:08 But when they talk about cultural appropriation, cultural appropriation seems to me to be the greatest thing you can possibly do. That seems like nothing but healthy. This is a natural part of being a person. It's also what – I don't know if this is – this is not Pinker. Pasta came from China. picking things from other cultures ever, that people enjoy cultures.

59:18 I think the real fear of cultural appropriations is that people will take on those things as their own. where it comes from the the regions, the ingredients, shouldn't be able to, like, you fucking assholes. and trying to interpret that falls in love with another culture, in a dojo in Japan that wasn't Japanese. it in japan he spoke perfect japanese and he was a very rare guy you know now you know became a

1:02:18 Sure. You know, this is the thing. A lot of the older stuff in particular there was a lot of manipulation of images and putting things online that may not Once you start lying, it's the Area 51 and stuff. He's a good guy. We'll just go on there. Oh, no, no, no. It'll be no problem. I said, you understand that he's smart. He's a comic, right? And Godot, who's on my podcast with me too, sitting across from me, and we're listening. And you come in, and you come in humble and charming and sexy

1:06:10 And Phil said afterwards, well, he had a lot. I said, yes! You had everything going for you that I respect, Oftentimes correct. Yeah. Listen, I've talked about that in length. It's got this incredible technological achievement. radiation belts there's that we never even sent a chicken into deep space and had to come back I was on team. because there's weird shit that happens.

1:10:01 The world is made of weird stuff. She sees it as not impacting reality, but as a playful intellectual exercise. And I am so literal-minded. But there is something happening in our thinking that's really interesting that I had to have my daughter explain to me and the New York Times after I already knew you and watched you do it. Well, I'm a professional fool.

1:13:22 That's what it really is. be the person that finds out the truth because then your miserable shitty fucking life now because if you want to understand string theory you're not going to do it an hour you're not going And I see the conspiracy thing as not so much a breaking down, which I used to see it as, a breaking down of science and reason, but I see it as rather a creation of a new form of poetry.

1:16:13 You know what it's like. this you can't do it with black hair and eye shadow you can't do it but yeah yeah well kids I try to never read anything with my name in it because it's not written for us. And I had like an hour free, which when I was doing Stern And I went. And in that moment, I went, oh, wait a minute. You can't understand that. and now I've defined that. Oh, I know what

1:19:39 could be like trump and get mad about it you know where the rubber hits the road with conspiracy And you find this guy's got a broken neck and he hung himself. It's not easy. Is that what suicide watch means? literally a couple of weeks after he tried to commit suicide if someone tried to commit suicide And, well, I only flew with him 26 times. Yes.

1:21:57 And that's one of the things about this whole Lolita Island thing is that they would compromise people. That's the quote. Well, the fucking $70 million penthouse that he had in Manhattan was given to him. agencies and there's a lot of weird shit that think i think i see a pattern here this it's very likely that that's what was going on. people get involved in shady activity that are cops there's cops that wind up doing illegal

1:25:08 going to be true too well he was that would be a hundred percent he was also a champion of science disabled veterans. compromised to the point where we have people to this day right now that are getting their worked really hard to not have student loans yes and there are people that took them um stuff as well don't we have to decide when someone's adult and then give them that respect?

1:27:42 that make very good moral decisions. of your life. And no matter what happens to you, you owe that money. But also you're taking your the same way we think about the fire department the same way you think about police don't you And I really only went because I didn't want to be a loser. number one reason why I did it. But I, but that was, I had a unique life from the time I was,

1:30:56 Athletically that's fairly small. I think there's a thing about getting away from your parents, getting away from them, Being able to be someone else. supposed to make it so that young men could talk at parties. That was the idea. We could have the are the new rules now for this new generation or are we really going to change the world and then I am with Bernie Sanders in that I think education should be free.

1:33:38 I think we could pay for it with taxes. There's a lot of physical things that you need to be taught by a coach. What is the term called when the Amish take their one year of rumple still skin i don't think we need a nationally By the way, this was also true with just the libraries in local towns. Yeah, yeah, order it. I learned about Terrence McKenna from listening to a Bill Hicks record.

1:36:46 went back listen to the record my entire education starts with mike nesmith of the monkeys who said You say you know they're jive? I was, you know, I was whatever. amounts of money these fucking people on college campuses can we pay them all the money in the time they're really we're really preparing them for a horrible job and all this shit that doesn't work you know all that weird that weird kind of hazing shit that we do for medical professionals you're going to work

1:39:48 I had very good SATs, We really should be educating ourselves throughout life. You can get educated. So I should learn Arabic. cheap, but I don't want professors to be poor. You know, when I was in Greenfield, Massachusetts, a town of 20,000, I would say to all the other, by other high school students, I would say, you know, There's a lot of information that you can get that's entertaining.

1:44:14 period where you're a boy and then all of a sudden am i a man yet like when am i a man certainly a And you're obviously, you know, I'm seeing this, you know, it's okay to speak with an accent. If you want to make sure you don't get respect, that's where you go. You enjoyed that. Okay. talk to the guy who created all all of things. Oh, okay. Cool. There it is.

1:46:32 That's right. He's just always awesome. who writes, directs, produces, that can't be uh changed but This is the first time you've been on it. Isn't that fucking crazy? Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot, baby. Thank you, sir.