Joe Rogan Experience #1347 — Neil deGrasse Tyson Transcript

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0:00 Hello. You look good. Yes. Oh, okay. to a slightly other kind of dimension Yeah. So there's a town there. There's a cypress tree. That's my point. And in this particular case where the title is the background? That's my point. If it's not, what are you doing? Somebody did. Look. Dig itry Night in bacon? Somebody did. Yeah, so- is not wind and it's not clouds because if it was if it was clouds you wouldn't see the stars right

3:15 And that enables us to trace over what set of weeks I mean, it was- The cool stuff is something that they felt and it came out of them. but to be able to express it, where a household name is the name of the person who told other people the enemy was coming? You drive by trees. You don't even know they're there. Yet a poem about a tree. I'll never see something as lovely as a tree. Oh my gosh.

5:49 I'm just guessing. The definition. ahead of it. The definition of beatify. consecrate. So I think if you take something ordinary and you subject it to the interpretation of I'm the sibling scientist. It's a STEAM. Things get really squirrely when you start adding more letters. Just think about it. And how do they express this? But I've got it. He just says, I hate that science brings some of the worst things that's ever happened to humanity and pollution and this.

9:45 You have science deniers with vaccines. health, because medicine flows through advances in science, as well as our security. right. And it was one of the greatest collaborative efforts we've ever undertaken in my field of astrophysics. Oh, you brought it up okay scientist we produced the first ever image of a supermassive black hole 55 million light years away the response

12:07 There are other demographics that have cherry-picked other science to deny other things. And I don't know – I don't think it will stop the progress of civilization, but it can certainly slow it down and occasionally stall it. Yes, you elect people who are scientifically literate. Possibly. all the rest of that in the new testament so he's not in denial of that but given that he is saying

15:18 It's why you can do this experiment. 10% above and 90% is not visible to you. This is, anyhow so back to this so do this experiment and then let the glass sit there and let the ice melt. What's with your vocabulary here? when you had the glass. Is that allowed? Okay. Okay, so now watch. It gets to 30 degrees, 29. It keeps happening. You can get even lower temperatures.

19:30 Oh, hey. So that water falls, it shrinks. That makes it denser, it falls to the bottom. it stays on top. The bottom is frozen. You never heard But it's rare that they're all in the same place Fishes. Oh, no, no. I didn't know. Because that's where it gets really warm. I can't explain that. But I don't see how you get frozen fish, though. That's incredible, man.

23:06 That ice floats. Have you ever done ice fishing? It's a joke And it's likely there would be no life on land or anywhere on Earth if that were the case, That is a really strange thing, It freezes when it gets really low. just pull out and leave it on the counter. had threads in it that could wind down to a smaller size, you could stick a cylinder So it's sort of fun with ice.

26:20 points of the chain itself because it's feeling that pressure to squeeze it into a smaller volume This is why you can ice skate. basically a knife edge okay not quite as sharp as a a knife, but you can feel how it's sharp so that when you lean So you do the math on that, that freezes right behind you How does dry ice work? It turns out the air pressure on Earth is high enough, at sea level, is high enough

29:08 So now watch what happens. Well, the transition from ice to water is still the same. The boiling point is not some absolute fact about the water. 180 degrees? the air pressure. you can ascend in a laboratory. 40 degrees Fahrenheit, 32 degrees Fahrenheit. And all ingredients have a triple point Wow what is that Mars Mars is very close to the triple point

32:42 But let's get to what he's trying to get at. What you want to do is And ozone likes ultraviolet light. to organic molecules and what we're made of as life so you want to protect you want to give life You don't want to wait too long. So, yeah, it's very good. So you wouldn't have to bring water to Mars. of countless thousands of asteroids and comets. So what you would do is you'd find one that's

36:15 Isn't that the speculation of how water got here in the first place? have delivered all the water there's plenty of water that could have come out of uh out of um simple all you're trying to do is get as much light as possible and the more light you get And so to put a telescope, well how are you going to make decisions going forward are you gonna make them democratically

40:13 okay? I would say first, I think what should happen is, I don't know if they even have, That's how I think that And decisions based on partial information are bad decisions no matter what. We sit there at the end of a telescope and wait for light to reach us. Is that VLT? And all I'm going to say is that if you have power over what happens on that mountain and it's sacred to you, because whatever that is, it is something important to you and your sense of your understanding of your place in this world that would be spiritual significance.

43:42 No, I'm not trying to- I just don't think they care. mountaintops because of the access they give astrophysicists and by proxy us all to the universe, Europeans didn't come to Hawaii and find legions of scientists there conducting experiments. I went to the Keck more than 10 years ago the first time, and I got very fortunate. and it changed my perspective of our place in the universe it looked like we were on a spaceship

46:57 Yeah. telescope who points the telescope gets the data and sends it back to you so the next generation And so all I'm saying is if they choose to not have it, the telescope will go somewhere else. Aquaman's against it. You'd want people who have an indigenous concern for what goes on there. And so that has become the definition of indigenous. Sure.

51:17 have continental drift so it drifts then the hot spot says time for me to gurgle again it there's already a i mean we're going to put a, there's already a, there's already a, I mean, we're going to put a telescope. There's already a telescope up here. He said, we got to preserve these lands because they're beautiful. Was it Lyndon Johnson's wife, Lady Bird Johnson, who said, our freeways that we're so carefully building after the Second World War, the Eisenhower Freeway Project, the interstate system, is

53:49 Uluru. So that is one sort of geologic thing. They don't want you to climb on it. And I try to think to myself, is there a counterpart to this that would sort of wake up a Westerner to say, I get it. Yeah, but are those comparable? Well, we built those, and the natives didn't build the rock. argument in for and like supporting what you're saying look at what's going on with the himalayas

56:40 So? back? No, we make stoplights. make them bring it back. difference between cars and human Is it what's your problem? not very clean about our presence that's's what you're talking about, right? Because they put engineers on the problem. Yes. There are more molecules of water in this bottle than there are bottles of water, this I don't even care if you filter it.

1:00:02 I'm trying to get my Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure list going here, okay? So when you exhale, there's enough of those molecules to scatter, and the air currents And the rain is, an important difference is, most of the water on Earth is salt water that Here's something that no one talks about. But this is now non-salty water going into the ocean.

1:01:46 in the ocean not only up and down you know northern latitude southern latitude like the You can do it. But why isn't that It's just money. desalinating the ocean? It's cheaper to ship by the Fiji. There'll be a day when that's not the case. And future wars are going to be fought over who has access to fresh water. And the value of What is the desalination process?

1:04:24 And at the end, you get this salt deposit at the bottom of your dish, at the bottom of your vessel. But mining operations include surface operations as well. Now you might want to mineralize it so it tastes good because distilled water doesn't taste good. that convert steam to electricity. That's what it comes down. oh, by the way, and they make electricity.

1:07:29 So you should think of hydroelectric as solar as well as wind energy saying is, I'm making steam anyway. Yeah. So why don't I do it with salt water? And you get salt out the other side. Patent it. And you just put some paddles in there Like it never rains The air moves in a lot of ways. the opposite way on earth, practically. It's about 30 degrees of latitude wide.

1:10:18 Have descending air there It doesn't rain much in India, There it is. It's not. a little further you don't really see the full price of oil. But it's a way, it's full cost accounting. That's basically black lung. that are not realized in the actual cost of that source of energy. Not in New York City, but in places where everybody has cars. Or maybe I'm renting, of course.

1:14:50 Then you don't have a business. Well, we all chip in and we make roads. I understand. Oh, Standard Oil says we'll put a gas station there because you're buying cars. I get it. the road. That's why the surface roads are not invented all of that. And their armies could move on their roads like it was nobody's business. It seems like a bargain compared to how many people

1:17:41 Happens. Right I haven't seen it Well, just a couple of things. So if you charge an electric car in your 120-volt home electricity electricity it could take 30 hours if you go to 240 volts The S, yeah, cool. They have like an S Raven. They've also removed all the labels to make it a little slicker, sleeker. So that's cool. Voltage? There's actually a unit of electromagnetism named after Nikola Tesla.

1:20:49 80% in just 15 minutes. But it's game on. I'm going to lose market share because people want to buy an electric car. That's no different. Take out the battery, put it in the next one, you're off. I didn't used to. What's the average cost of rent? So I now have a Tesla. The X is the SUV. And then we would have had 100 years of clever engineering to perfect that.

1:23:46 Speaking of Tesla and electricity, what did you think about Tesla's initial idea that Is he as savvy or as sneaky, whatever other words you might apply, to Edison? He's recognized. Okay. You're not going to run a motor with it. The point is to transmit information. But what they didn't figure So as your photons get higher and higher energy, yes, you can start doing things with them.

1:26:46 something you could have done with your radio waves because the needs were no but that no no We now send energy through wires because you're not standing in the way of the wire. What I've heard people discuss... If you're moving enough energy through the air to power something that itself could kill you, And who knows what it would do to human health.

1:28:24 No, it's not. He thinks we got fake bricks. It's a veneer. Okay, so we're both right. I can pull out my cell phone and have a phone call. No, he doesn't. I don't know what he wanted to power with it. The ultimate black. No, I've seen it. I saw a sports car. No, it's not available commercially. I saw it here in L.A. It's a real thing. But by absorbing it.

1:31:39 Yeah. and double bounces it so that all of your energy gets sent in other directions the light that's behind it, No. That only works in one sight line. It's really freaky. one of these you know what do you call those things that you talk to? And she says, don't turn that on. Being actual. Or what's your question? Here it is. Okay. and then send me coupons based on what you think I'm going to buy next based on what I've bought before, which is kind of the same thing you're describing.

1:36:10 I say, can I help you? Oh, I never knew that word. maybe you do, but I'll ultimately end up spending less money because it's the diversity of how I think and do you like this product or not? you're assuming I'm going to stay that way don't you think they're just doing that because they think it would be effective to advertise in You heard about the case where they were – I read this.

1:39:09 That's a little weird. It's not just something that appears on your Google feed that you can quickly glance over. Okay, well, let me take the counterpoint. What is Google giving you that Apple Maps isn't? Their program's far better. A 10-year-old kid that's only ever known this and becomes 15 and 20, that is life to Everybody knows where you are. If the KGB had access to people the way we, during the Cold War, the way modern United States has access to us,

1:42:09 but we can dig it up if we have to. Yeah, it relies on so many points of data. No, Fibonacci, I think, is a little overplayed. No, yeah, living things, of course. I mean, that's often the case. I think it was Camden, And one of their solutions was to put surveillance cameras everywhere. essential liberty deserve neither. he wanted to cover that bitch.

1:45:21 And you can actually get an entire generation born into a state where they think that's normal. I've already been through that. When is that going to play? Correct. Anybody in an espionage movie, there's somebody who has five passports. We all agree that we can be hand-padded down just to get on an airplane. But I was reminded how you can create an entire state where everyone is kept in line because somebody is telling you,

1:48:09 And you have to do things a certain way Could you voluntarily give them all your information? You have a bug that you're carrying around with you. What are these passive listening devices that are only picking up keywords? But I think we'll resolve it. Airlines are regulated so that you don't die. care about. We want to fly. Agreed. Oh. Yeah That they wear

1:52:10 behind her. And as she lowered No, no, no, no. So don't worry about it if you don't understand it. Dark matter has, Yeah. So yeah, and see what shows up. So as that area grows, I had to think about that. It's 85% of the gravity. Maybe. Gay people? What is the... christians and we're talking about the age of the earth and why and why do we think one way or

1:56:46 yeah, of all religions. billions mormons are a unique one because they think you get your own planet when you die And you can ask, well, why are they calling me? Because of the sectors of Scientology that involves space beings. I'm not going to compare those and judge whether one of them is more authentic than another. the actual article itself they give your full

2:00:09 so maybe i can shape this phrase differently to minimize the chance of that happening in the I'm always hooked up on gravity. But we don't really know what gravity You can ask deeper questions about it. Einstein, so Newton was deeply puzzled by how you can have something called, go around Jupiter. some way that they're forward 230 years. Get to Albert Einstein. Gravity is the curvature of space and time.

2:03:26 And I learned relativity from John Archibald Wheeler. It can't do anything else but do that. Is that answer not fulfilling enough to you even in the why department? No, but why did it fall? Well, there's nothing holding it up. Why did it? We can say, well, why did you go bald? Then you say, oh, well, because the DNA has it pre-coded about the hair kind of thing.

2:06:42 Any concentration of matter and energy and or energy will curve the fabric of space and time. No, I have to say I'm good with it. And I don't have an answer for that. why question most of the time, Then why does matter and energy curve space and time? Except many people who ask why questions, Like, why did you bang the table? Right. He gave it to you? Oh, the guy who had it?

2:09:30 So there's one that says fan of Neil Tyson and that's a different one. Click on that. Go to my caption. You call me out on that caption? so let me tell you no Are these conversations supposed to have a theme or a purpose? You can't say that. Think about all the different people that I have in here. I mean, that's probably the only reason why this thing is as successful as it is.

2:12:14 Do you think we'll ultimately understand gravity? We're running short on time here. Yes. Jamie. its life. If you're more massive than that, and we call their super massive and their black holes we call them super massive black holes because that's how we roll as astrophysicists all right well could you have black holes somewhere where there's no evidence

2:15:56 Express. have a problem i don't mind a little bit of sensationalism there. You can say it is a black hole that comes from an – if it comes from an object, it is an object we know nothing about and have yet to discover. And we said, dude dude something's got to be We can determine the mass of the black hole by how fast stars are moving at the distance

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