Joe Rogan Experience #1354 — The Black Keys Transcript

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0:00 boom and we're we're moving moving gentlemen all right good to see you moving thanks for being here Like Dr. Oz? Oh, I assumed all these people were kind of unqualified for their... What, the bailiff? It's not like the same outfit from Night court a complicated gig you could just hire an actual cop that way you're doubly protected Put the fucking gun on him.

2:46 sure you can't read them the comments are just filled with just murder jokes yeah really oh but I do like Jose Canseco a lot on Twitter. Do you? What? It's amazing how big he was. super athlete came in to lift weights i'm like huh how fucking weird you know like he's one he's I think that's pre-Andre the Giant's career, in fact. Oh, yeah. You know, his hand just covers everything.

5:33 You learned early in the world. When I was dropped the ball. there's a lot of wacky people too that are living through their kids you just need to go and take that job yeah it's yours well there's a lot It's crazy. That would be great. Mark McGuire. If you're going to do something like But you're not supposed to take it what what how come you can't do it everybody or nobody yeah it's the cheating thing the thing is

9:09 that he literally was doing it, he wanted to get big, you know. between gender identity and testosterone levels i think they think it's a wiring issue for lack No, it was after his whole career thing had gone. And Jose Canseco is an enormous guy. Look at the size of choi that looks like when you have like a real gi joe guy and then like the And then Hung Man Choi pounded him in the middle. Danny Bonaduce, too?

11:43 He's a really huge guy. But wait a minute. of those uh shirts that you put on it's like a rash guard but it's got tattoos on it and it His name isn't mentioned in the article. outrageous and you can tell like you know most people know it's fake because they're like one I'm like, what the fuck happened to me? How many cigarettes were you smoking a day?

14:16 Set a date, and I bought a 12-pack of beer and four packs of cigarettes and went into my studio and just smoked every cigarette and drank every beer It really affects your taste buds, huh? those things i go what does that do for you i go give me one of those things and i'd lit it and i hadn't smoked a cigarette in for me and just torture myself with yourself

16:51 like it's like it's because it's fun and if i could do it for one week and it's be less harmful you got a solid healthy addiction i think if you don't get enough sleep it's the worst thing for Like all, I get really stressed out when I'm tired. I know it's bad, And then it's never like that again, aside from nicotine, So it is like a, there's that aspect to it.

19:18 This doesn't have any, any chemicals. or 15 and um that's when i knew like when i i knew that i could not be vaping i hate it and i was i was probably for not moving around that's probably just from looking at their ipad all day Is that real? That's where it gets weird. Well, I mean, I feel like weed wasn't that hard to get when we were in high school.

22:06 I know people here I'm like, that's a cool ass fucking car. well i'm just saying man these giant that's what's in the jewel no i'm just no i'm saying like i'm And his doctor, who wasn't a quack, I think he was at the Cleveland Clinic, was like, I don't know. My wife's from Sedona. lithium so it's just laying around well it's just your when you're in these mining towns with ice

24:44 They put pesticides down. and he would take the pesticides, and he'd fill the bucket with water, And if you heat it up, it becomes this isotope. No, but I mean like Jose Canseco, if he has that. between your spinal column they think they can regenerate that stuff with stem cells but there's Yeah, we had to do physical. So my heart looks good. We don't really know.

27:52 that's solid advice well i mean like i went and they told me that i had this like elevated liver Is it because I gained weight? I'm like, I'd be better off not getting this physical Here's what your plan is. and like, you know know someone really close to me had i think is there anything you could do like no not we've done everything just you know just uh

30:52 We think they should be able to handle it. you know i mean like when we first started playing we would play these You know, you're playing a show, and it's just, like, arms crossed. everyone's here to like judge judge us or something you know i mean like what you're or Gallagher too could probably sell 3000 fucking tickets in Los Angeles. That's a hilarious way to look at it.

33:43 we're doing like the trick is And so I'm like, maybe don't do that. I don't know. and he was on his fifth Red Bull Whatever you want to do is cool with me. And it was in the middle of summer. And we weren't even headlining this time. other than probably Dan. And when you have But I got through the set and everything was fine, oh shit, I went to go see this dude here

37:18 beta blockers get some get some uh volume drink some beer i. I can't do any of that shit before I go on. I can't be relying on that before I play. and i just remembered like this number like 708 i think it was like 708. Because I'd only been to the room two times. Jeez. shorman he hypnotizes a lot of fighters okay and uh he uh he ties his fighters yeah he gets them

39:26 address the anxiety you can see it but it's for the brief amount of time while you're really in He was telling me all this. You're not supposed to be perfect. that has nothing to do with what we're about. It's like, what we do is something different. you're going to start smiling. you're on you're gonna start smiling stop smiling the song ends would get hypnotized again if i needed it i just the stress just the stress just the stress of

42:30 So we're there like February 2011. They list all the nominees, including us. longer than Neil Young. No. How does a Grammy work? was the Chateau Marmont and And the guy asked me, he's like, just to have a fucking career um i said something like that and i wasn't it was just like i'm not My apprehension about playing the Grammys all came back to that.

46:05 You pick one out of all these that are awesome? i i feel you're like i just want you to do it you know just when there's little contests and this is number one and this one We don't necessarily want to do anything we don't want to do anything we're not excited about. and it's a digital download link. and we get a ticket sale. No, you don't get to our record label.

49:06 Our record advance for this record was less than that. being had not that direct but it's like as an artist you better try to get to get good numbers People are going to buy them idiot like that's who's listening to this shit that's getting a 250 times in a week. Like a fucking idiot. and you see these certain people i've never even heard their music they have and they have like

51:35 But, you know, they're like, actually, what we're doing is curating art that we really like. you know what I mean, and the Fugg's. before and we felt like we had to do it and i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't change anything We watched it when we were kids. It's like they need to be in the spotlight or or something you know and we were we're just like i think we kind of realized how goofy it was while we were there but we got an insane experience because we

54:08 how they're going to get their arsenal across state lines. I was like, Oh my God. you're like, ah, this makes complete sense could have never made sense to me it's like the terminator into a game it's like it's called cocaine psychosis but that's like the worst effort favorite places that's been entertained special and they can't fucking believe that you guys it with your level of

57:40 we were traveling in a van at the time and they were giant fresh mushroom not even dried no man it was like a meal and then he bought him he like you guys you should of beer and i was like what the fuck and then i just like in the back just like fucking like It costs money to pee here, bro. And we both start laughing at that moment. You could really, truly dumpster dive here and be eating a regular meal.

1:00:20 like our driver's like dude we gotta go i said we've been here for 20 minutes he's like it's been three hours of you guys talking about this dumpster and i was like like what the fuck's happening like kind of fight or flight but for no reason panic attack thing and i think yeah i i i deal with it mostly but i just uh when i'm on a comic. up the door and because you had one it makes it easier to have another one? Is that how it works? Well, I was exhausted that day

1:02:36 And I barely got any sleep. yeah it's legit if you can get a good one a good person who can hypnotize you can put you in a I think it just gets in there better. Every one of these kids went to a boarding school and is disappointed in their parents. I've said things myself But if that's all you're doing, music it's like it beats final tap it's like if there was a competition i have to come down on some kind of monster it made me actually like the i mean it

1:05:54 He stepped out in a big way with that Napster thing. you just get a file and everybody kind of just assumed that well i mean this is like this new and he was the guy who was this really, really wealthy guy with our manager when we're talking to someone at warner brothers and said we didn't want to do it He's a nice, nice guy, very intelligent. because they paid it to us in the way the label does.

1:09:17 They don't have like a Macarena type shit on a free service. But what they need to do Because Joe is actually engaging with our thing the ownership and pay a higher royalty you fucking cocksuckers you know i mean honestly so i'm like take 30 off the top like apple music used to do when you would buy a cd and then you take seven basically be an idiot

1:11:57 from Spotify if you're in Alaska or North Dakota, doesn't it just get out there? But it bums me out. you know i mean so we basically i mean we made this record paid for it ourselves We had nothing. $15,000 to make a record and no one's paying attention to you the only reason why we ended up getting attention paid no other band for the last two years that's had as many sinks as we've had but we've never i don't

1:16:00 Sellout's a funny one. thing where like if we if we won record of the year for lonely boy warner brothers was going to Every motherfucker wearing a fucking Cubs hat. Fuck this. gone experimental it's like it's still I had a big realization He was the original guitar player in the James gang. back of all this like heavy electric guitar and seeing link ray in cleveland ohio and playing in

1:20:02 that's just who we are we don't even have to think about it whatever the fuck you're doing keep doing it exactly the same way I think it's one of Dan's favorites, too. Everything's kind of compared to it. record stores there's less there's no college music journal there's not there everything's that I actually want to hear. We've talked about it. Yeah, I don't know, man.

1:23:09 which would be like KCRW here or whatever. fuck are you playing them on the fucking triple a you fucking asshole you know i mean like seriously I heard this song. It was all new. There's so much good shit out there. And it was something I didn't even care for. they just want to make money from it and they feel like if they put you two or an old elton

1:26:31 that are as commercially viable as possible whatever our numbers man i've had a show on have to think about that so when they find a new artist that's great you pump up their social media I mean, I think it's fake. it's like this form of music that I, there's social media, You know what I mean? why don't you curate something like this and put it on the internet it seems like a simple solution

1:29:30 Oh, That's a good story. to come out with us We got Lil Wayne before us. Yeah. Oh, my God. And the Ashton brothers are sitting there chain smoking, I'm just in awe of this shit. near the stage. what the fuck's happening and then so he shows up uh the bus rolls up right to the stage, right across the track. And we're supposed to be on it this time. But it was loud and it was like people were,

1:32:28 this, obviously. so maybe he does that again the cost of admission i'd take the hit head to denver earlier it just seems like you're gonna wait you're just gonna So he was playing like half full room and I think left. Yeah. usually in connection with like AEG or Live Nation. So because of that, there's a lot more pop kind of stuff. I think this might be one of the last ones we do for a while.

1:35:14 Because we didn't want that what, want to play that as our first show back and he's like well there's a good chance it's gonna get for something that might get canceled. Yeah. I saw him there. People came to different shows with his shoes and he signed them. It was just fucking wild. It was like, I don't know, ball bearings. and there were just like droves of morons coming in.

1:37:43 And I was like like this is like and it's cute and like real motherfuckers who work their asses off and she gives me back 15 bucks Oh, my God. Oh, my God. school education you know i mean these a lot of this comes down to just fucking education you We both had debt. I went to this school. So I was like, I don't want to fucking do that. his portfolio,

1:41:18 He's like, You, get the fuck out of here, kid. He's like, I'm fucking serious. and I had this whole other experience. From Akron, two hours away. He's like, hey, man, remember that interview we did about, You know what I mean? I should get a fucking honorary degree from this shit. every time i would go there like all these kids that were like from new york city rich kids from

1:44:30 believe it or not And they were over for two hours already it was like to sound that irritated and you guys Troll 2 like late at night after the first hour What's the difference? I could be wrong Really? Well, I kind of, you know, there's this video store when we were kids. I don't think there's But there was a movie made that were horrible, They were as big as trees.

1:48:35 or steve bannock was that fucking documentary the wild and wonderful whites of west virginia rhyman and our very first show at the mother church at the mother church of country music i said hi to him oh you did oh yeah he didn't pat i didn't because by the time uh Well, I recommended that movie to somebody, and they watched it, and he was like, hey, man, why the fuck did you make me watch that?

1:50:41 I don't know. I dated a girl who lived right there in Steubenville, right on the Dean Martin Highway. so people don't have jobs, obviously. I mean, we grew up in Akron. it's 1.7 million same price takes a long time that's a long if you're going lengthwise at least, it's smaller, I think. You drive through Cleveland, it takes a long time. Well, we did, but oddly, Pat and I had a connection to the real music business, both in our family.

1:53:52 So it was weird. that's all we wanted to do What if, you know, it would just kind of slowly went. We drove all the way from Akron to get there. when we got to the point Yeah, it's another venue. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Akron, I mean, Ohio and the Midwest, has a connection to the biggest producer. here like and get you on MTV have come from LA That's what I'm saying.

1:58:22 What do you mean? shit so we we took the gamble and we signed with the small indie and just kept fucking going. And when we finally went to a major, it was on a subsidiary of a major without having some of those boxes ticked and you get in that's your A&R guy And they'll be like, and be like, There's all cop-outs everywhere. And finally, we went into the studio at Danger Mouse,

2:00:56 the kick drum sounds like shit, um and a lot of this stuff set up with labels Warner Brothers gave her release it yeah they've never released it. And they just drop her. to Warner Brothers in the late 70s. It happens all the time. You need to do that. if you're like looking at remodeling your kitchen it's like and you're an idiot you just put the But this guy, Chad Blake, who Dan and I work with all the time, who's mixed our last four

2:04:10 and it was spent on a little cheap studio, And I'm on tour with Dan and I'm like, I was like, bullshit. Because check it out if you're an anr guy right you're getting like probably six figures you report to a senior anr who reports there's no way i'd make it back you know i mean yeah um but yeah that's the music industry dude And it's really random.

2:07:00 a fuck about any of it i that's just fucking ignorant, honestly. by some motherfucker. Not over-touring is pretty much the main thing. That's a big one, right? It can sour you to the whole thing. You don't really buy into the simulation do you me fuck no do you think that there's a God? I was like, I can't picture it. That possibility is way open, Nick Bostrom,

2:10:18 I don't know. This is where we are. It might be that this is a crazy situation that happens incredibly rarely where you have a planet that's this close to the sun where these life forms figure out how to fuck with matter in an incredible way. has also been recorded and that infinite versions It's not unlikely that it's a simulation. contract for like a billion years isn't that like part of the deal i think with your if you're on

2:13:08 and i think and i think being in the moment as much as possible uh it it when i really truly Dude, you can marry anybody you wanted. how can you dig like what just that maybe he gave it might prove that he's a genius, just that. That's why he did it. different versions of you. sleep i always i always have a couple reoccurring dreams. And they're usually either really rickety and dangerous

2:16:30 if I didn't give it to them. I want to go. No, I would have never thought he gets that worked up. Seriously. I've told him that I worked at the same At midnight What they were You got roped in and you'd have a button and you had headphones You could just stand and listen. You know, like Pat says. They don't quite matter in what way? Sure. Tyler and I are in touch every once in a while whenever there's a the in between

2:19:57 Who's going to be around? something different than keeping up with well probably not that show probably still be around or my dad's records. is when you try to compare pop us, You're gonna sell 150,000 tickets He hasn't fucking figured it out yet. it was a different thing it was how they made the records it was the actual records they would put up your sleeve on social media and you can get enough 13 year olds streaming their shit

2:24:14 record label so that we get a fucking number on sound scan that ultimately you'll brag about like In fact, it used to be set up where a tour was a loss leader to sell a record. find out the manager stole all the fucking money, about finances to kind of really know. 18 years after starting this band and it fucking working out And I think that we've been

2:26:59 I happened to watch it And taking that type of position with the band which is what we do all day long when we're not touring. When we're not touring, we're still working on other music. they didn't even fucking respond to the email. It doesn't seem like you do. when we're producing shit. Well, it doesn't make any sense that you need anything like that.

2:29:29 when we started. But no one else is like, Why is it more realistic to go get in $60,000 worth of debt and not be able to have a fucking job? I need a pack of cigarettes. wherever you just let him wind him up let him talk shit about things and then play music like music a group of people that are really interesting keep the conversations going keep more cool people

2:31:36 But you definitely could have your own distribution network, check out this fucking band yeah the music industry what is, what I'm saying, that we can figure out a way you'd expect that someone would look at your work and they can't because I don't understand it That's crazy though. You know what I mean? it got back to me that he was taking credit for our success he wasn't even around when we

2:34:41 He didn't even write a check for Popeyes Chicken Sandwich I would say I'll take that guy all day long. A little annoying to you? it's because if you really love music like the way that Dan and I do, you have to find that space where you don't want to kill everybody. Not, right? in fucking real bands they're investing in like a songwriter they're investing in an artist that

2:37:15 that I would look at it as, Success is getting behind art that we really are proud of This is the crux. Not always, right? Because you fucking really wanted it. people so people have already been down that road artists that i'm working with now people like yola Play music that you enjoy that you find out about. We're also, by the way, not that angsty.

2:39:56 The drive is like the thing. But it does take that type of motivation, has made a difference i mean i've heard i've heard people say take credit for our success say that it was because we played the spike um Here's the offer. And we're standing there with Hulk Hogan. I was like, it's like guys our age who are running these labels looking at these view counts and the

2:43:08 we'll send you 50 albums. what we like and then just start building on it and all the stuff that doesn't work just push it Wow. fucked everything up. I've never. But Dan came over, and he was the best guitar player of all my friends. It's easy. It's more about the energy, the feeling. Sometimes I'll improvise words. but I can see Pat. And the very first idea that we had made the record.

2:47:06 so I didn't know any different and you know someone's wife 20s probably what's the problem with touring with a girlfriend? I go through periods of time where I get phone calls I remember Dan having to stop at the pay phone dumb asses man but you have to go through that you have to learn to appreciate a good relationship Took a decade off your longevity.

2:49:57 like maybe 2012, our shit was really blowing up. They overdose at the Chateau Mormont. ridiculously synchronistic yeah but it's also that kind of luck and timing and right but that's where Right. why we think it's a simulation is because it exists in so many different planes and it's Well. and you said, well, I don't like this course, Yeah, no, that's why I think we're not living in a simulation

2:53:11 I'm telling you to Sean Carroll on earth a wonderful woman it is kind of crazy but it's like kind of Vince Neil Yeah, Larry King. His honor. relationship when you're 85 it's probably a better relief like if you're if you're fucking Splash. no prenup either that would make sense That's like an Oprah bestseller type thing. Like, what if Troll 1 was part of Troll 2?

2:56:32 He wrote the movie Kids and Spring Breakers. Have you ever heard of it? he's like dude he's like everyone who watched this movie as a kid it was made and aired on tv in canada he's like go look at the youtube comments it's Yes, that's the movie I'm talking about. movie right oh yeah yeah yeah found footage but with special effects of a giant troll that comes

2:58:13 Is that it? There it is. Yeah, okay. So Dan's brother had the personalized plate, Ohio plate, that said Nilbog. They're like digital plates. Oh, for sure. Like, that's all they did. Oh, but they did do that to Jack. And just all these people getting deplatformed that he wants to just jump on and drop N-bombs. ruthless investigation? It's a playbook.

3:01:49 I did get my Gmail account stolen once. All my emails are cool, period. what would they do with it what did they do you they hacked in your was it your twitter what was Like Madonna's crushing. That's funny. Yeah, but like you could spin anything however you want to do it. A lot of these people are just fucking idiots. People were at real tweets were saying that he should be horrified by this racism.

3:05:45 older brother's obsessed with trains in fact he works for amtrak now but in that movie there's a scene where gene wilder has to put on blackface yes and um you know that of course would never I remember vaguely. It was 18 years ago. But what... Someone that got in trouble, the person before. I was Orville Redenbacher recently. He took tanning pills?

3:07:19 Oh okay Did you see what he was talking into? So he took the tanning pills again Dude. every night after the day he would his he would sit down at his computer and do his journal. And maybe if you think of, what's that Never know. But now kids don't even watch it Wow. You can watch something. is is that the manager ride it on you need the buffalo i have i have a I have a buffalo head in my house that Ted Nugent.

3:12:14 Really? Yeah. A hundred percent. And I think it could serve a great function. Or Shure makes them, like a bunch of different companies. They probably already have the equipment. I'm not opposed to thinking it's a good idea. You're going to do it.