Joe Rogan Experience #1361 — Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell Transcript

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0:00 and here we go uh first of all gentlemen thanks for being here jeremy thanks for coming back again Had every qualification you could get in the airplane, everything, even the stuff they're not doing anymore. logic or defies conventional understanding of how aircrafts work that's when that's when i sit back have you in here so what year was your incident and you you have a very, very famous incident that's corroborated by actual evidence, which is one of the rare ones.

3:01 not just the air wing, but we're on the carrier, them from getting up towards the carrier. So that's kind of the training set that we're all good. They'd drop down to about 20,000 feet. So they observe these things and they never bother telling any of you guys. It can go a lot longer. But for training, we just do the 12-hour day thing. And it's cyclic ops, so you got guys

5:32 So they start talking to him about fuel, and based on how long we're going to be airborne You know, say your load out. or you got to unlock the lugs with a key. So I'm like kind of chuckling. He goes, well, hey, So it's me and my WIZO, which is weapons systems operator, He says, we need you to go investigate. So we don't do it. We have no idea what we're going to look at.

8:26 We'll just become one big blob. a it was yesterday was a perfect example out here the water is perfectly calm no white caps i mean we're like, oh, that's kind of odd. just above the surface of the water pointing north-south first thing you think is helicopter, right? The helicopters typically stay below 200 feet when I'm at 20,000 feet and it's right down on the surface, right off our right side. So I'm probably

11:16 check this thing out so i start driving around and it's still doing its forward back left right turns. So now it's kind of pointing east-west and now it mirrors us. So it's above the surface. Well, the quickest way, as we know as kids, to get someone, you know, you can keep going around the circle. And as I'm pulling up, it's kind of starting to cross my nose, and it starts to accelerate, and within about less than a second,

12:58 So we don't see it. Water's perfectly. We start heading back and the controller on the Princeton comes up and he says, sir, you're not going to believe this, but that thing is back at your cap point. they were going to be on a tanker mission, but they had a targeting pod on board. it gets signals back that it's being jammed. And technically jamming is an act of war.

15:20 So he does that, and he goes through it. Yeah. the public domain so you think we could play it on youtube and not get pulled yeah a hundred percent It's a real disaster. The issue I believe, though, going to come after us. Jeremy will get it to us. probably important to be able to have the video itself so you can just talk about it. And, Jesus, if that wasn't a game changer for me and for a lot of other people.

18:26 When I first started dating my wife, she was a big like national inquirer. I go, yeah. She goes, it's the biggest podcast on the planet. So it was Thanksgiving in 2017. My mother-in-law is like, ha-ha. No. Here's the context. There were six people total involved, the two that shot the video and the four So he did. He investigated the incident and it was very, very thorough. I mean,

21:50 you know, I'd been out of the Navy for like six years. And I was talking to Lou Elizondo, who runs that program. public everything. And I don't speak for the government, but I think there's a good reason you're going to put in your request for freedom of information. You go, here's what I want. It But I'm not going to spend the next six months of my life doing your research project for you.

24:12 Okay, so we'll just kind of go around. hotter than the sky around it but what you also notice is there's no plumes now if you're looking And so those two bars next to the white object, that's a passive track. TV mode. So you can get closer with the TV mode. So as you look at it now, in this case, you would he's like oh i got it and he's going to try and see the best video that you can get now there's

26:55 So when it says 99.9, the radar cannot see this object right now. It's just – it's a technology to basically make it harder for radars to see you. a half long. See, it's going to try and reacquire, it recenters the pod. So it's slowly drifting to Well, you still do in digital world. And off it goes to the left. It's an estimate. I mean you're talking something that's just sitting in space in the wind, and then it just all of a sudden accelerates.

29:25 Yeah, so there's IR zoomed in, and there's no – you would see a plume if that was an airplane. There's no tail number. and how how radars actually work this one is you know you me, but this was performance beyond. You know, the visibility is 50 miles. see it? So I was the boss, so I wasn't going down there. And, of course, everyone now is going to make jokes because we know we're going to catch shit because that's how the Navy works.

32:20 They debrief this. And he pulls out that tape and drops it on the counter. probably 30 minutes i mean it spreads. It's like a virus. And we know we're going to be on the airplane comic because there's always a comic. there's always that closet people that you don't think that are really like UFO buffs. I've talked to the guys, a couple of guys from the East Coast event, the gimbal video.

34:48 areas that are blocked off by blue and they say like whiskey 291 or whiskey 243 and So they don't know if it's actually like a surrounding that we don't know. and almost hits one of these floating cubes inside of the beach ball. the newer radar in the Super Hornets is extremely, extremely capable. It sits on the left side of the airplane and it's –

37:01 It's got an IR marker in it. off the East Coast, but they grab it and it's... these things, so I called my bud because I'm like, hey, how many people are seeing these things? that we have yeah i think if i would have painted china or Russia on the side. Is this the gimbal video? Look at the SA page. So what they're actually seeing in this video is when you see the object that he's tracking,

39:38 However, what he's telling you right now is something that is not public yet. Just so you know. You're still seeing no plume And you can kind of see it's got that aura around it Eerily similar to the propulsion system that Lazar talked about. We know there's a program currently that they said is gone. This is something that is not aerodynamic, and it could move in ways and fashions.

42:40 We don't have – a high-performance airplane does not have hours worth of gas. I mean, Hornets, if we don't have aerial refueling and we're actually out doing a mission and fighting and going fast, you're talking hour and a half and you're coming back to land. It's weight, performance, size of the airplane. the best is you've got an object coming from above 80,000 feet. So I'll just tell you that

44:13 can just at will move around. Now take it to the next level. And I know there's a lot of talk about It's a force. as Commander Fravor is describing, This idea, so this has been around, I'm shocked because of Commander Fravor coming forward. wrote it down we have highly documented cases this one has changed our culture and that's what's so So I answer it, and this lady says, hey, is Commander Fravor there?

47:33 She goes, I grew up, my dad was in the Navy. That would have been probably in the 50s. and i go of course i go, you got the telegram? So that's what you're starting to see is people that, So we used to fly – they don't do it right now because it's a little bit dangerous. which is kind of north and west of Imperial by, Well, you turn the lights around now because we're in restricted areas, so we can do that.

50:17 You pull them off, and then you just go away. Yes. And I guarantee you're not the only one who's ever done that. Well, again, it's IR footage, which is really interesting. Very similar to what Commander Fravor talks about without plumes, without heat signatures. that's been debombed. tracking like six. and there's this video I was tracking the scripts for the last two years of what Pentagon spokespeople say about Commander Fravor's experience.

52:38 We don't have this. Well, the pod is, you know, when you get pretty narrow, it would be like, you know, if I put three people around you, I can look at you and not see the other people. So it literally – if it sees you, if the radar sees you, it has basically a weapons quality solution, There's a whole fleet of them. So what they're seeing is the pod is hear the the pilot say dude look at the sa page there's there's a whole fleet

54:30 Is there video of those smaller aircrafts or just the video of the one large one? No, the only thing they have is the targeting pod. And one of the guys, the story came out, and he was a Navy helicopter pilot. But he was flying out of there. out of them so they do it for both so he said the first time they're out and they're going to pick And you can stick your head out the window too because you're just kind of hanging out.

56:58 So he goes out. And the diver's like a few feet from the water. just took on water and sank and he's like it didn't sink he goes it literally looked like it The go fast. is that that's uh it actually looks more like a tic tac but it's they saw it uh going across the water and they're they're just grabbing a lock so they're I mean, that kind of thing that people have said on your show to you,

59:14 So the probability that all the radars went off at the wrong time, And so she gets the – we get the real-world vector and it's like, okay, real-world vector, cool. You know, they're here now. It's – the story that I gave you is just relatively benign. besides pulling in for the three days at Thanksgiving. or whether or not there's any consistency to the size of them, or whether or not they think

1:02:41 was something under the water. So as these waves are coming across, when they, you know, they hit that object, we're right there and we turn around and there's no whitewater. So if you go, where are these things from? One, if you have a propulsion system that made it – gave the capabilities that we observed visually, that's a huge leap for mankind, period.

1:04:42 If you come to now, you go 15 years later, you don't think that technology would have emerged because it literally would change everything we do. You sit there and – well, I grew up during the Apollo ages where you just just look at the thing, go up, up, up, up, up. There's all kinds of stuff on there about people talking about stuff. what people haven't seen that i saw i mean i've seen the radar tapes because i had them as my

1:06:56 into historical sightings, not Columbus, but, you know, is so important. This is a non-reactionary field propulsion system. Everything we know with fighter pilots trying to capture and trying to engage them. And it crashed the teletypes. amazing. It's an Air Force manual where they explain what they know about UFOs at that time who, by the way, defended Los Angeles after 9-11. I mean, this is a guy we put all of our trust in.

1:09:56 Did you find that? that this is something that... Do you know what I'm talking about? in that same yeah that's it yeah like look look how it's it's flying but you know the thing is aliens or is that supposed to be angels like what is that supposed to be in these things God, that's that one that was considered a real miracle by the church, We're talking people that were religious, people that weren't religious,

1:12:41 Is that right? I can't hold on to an eyewitness with other eyewitnesses they're trying really hard they're not going who knows what this fucking thing is they're not a way where they can justify that it's fake and they're they're just doing all sorts of mental You move on. When you're doing this exercise and they let you know that they're seeing these things. Did you say, hey, how frequent is this?

1:16:01 There's other situations that have happened out there. How did this foreign submarine get in our area and has been monitoring our workups? I mean these were brand-new first Block II series that came out. The military doesn't stop. Even if you take funding away, we don't stop. And the military doesn't stop. And I've got a lot of you got to be joking.

1:18:39 and I don't want people speculating, but you can say high-level government officials I have talked to. have well i would say i would say this because i've talked to bob we were we did a bob lazar And his response to me was another hundred years he goes dave it was so far beyond he goes the stuff what bob says is correct we still don't understand it.

1:21:11 alone i was telling jeremy we used to go out on on goggles you know out in the middle pacific It's a pretty lonely universe. I'm just opening up the possibility that we are not the only planet that has life on it i think people I know that there are people that have had profound experiences and then they can't ever replicate them. Yeah, imagine flying that thing.

1:23:20 I go, I have no idea. here because the distance is so vast. Then distance becomes completely irrelevant for travel. Like before photography was invented, which is shockingly recent, right? Remember, he's a young guy, right, in 1989. Yeah, it doesn't break our laws of physics, this concept of amplification of gravity, You have other witnesses that worked with

1:26:40 There was a back engineering program. say crashes or who is that that explained that there was something they were with eric weinstein or when things will come off. about five years ago. Explain what you're talking about. These are materials, right? And what's the conclusion? from what I understand, or something like that. If you take a piece of graphene and it's highly machined, so it doesn't

1:29:50 because of the way it's atomically layered. is our limiting factor. And as our material science gets better as humans, we know how these For me, I mean, I always, I never believed that we were alone. I mean, why did I happen to be? cause you can say wrong place, wrong time. This I mean, this was a real incident that happened. And what we're learning is that he was right.

1:32:34 There's not an ice wall. let's get outside of the box and go if we can develop a technology that would and i don't look to be they wanted to be flying cars. And you go, no, for an F-18 to do a split S, which is go from up here and just do a vertical 180-degree turn, That to a pilot, that's three dimensions. And it's – I was talking to Steve Justice about it.

1:35:24 because if a technology like that got out where someone could rapidly reproduce it after all you've done, But now we had it and now it was the race everyone else because they had to get on equal par because it's a destabilizing thing. and that we're experiencing it or that you've experienced it Yes. So, you know, take them something. So it's where are we at and what are we going to do and what can we do?

1:38:10 maybe we're not because that that pushes you to the next point to go you know you know one lands I've talked to three different groups of people. She goes, I've been to the Pentagon like a half dozen times. No, not pictures that they have, but like a video from someone else. these are important people. Getting 20 minutes of some of these folks' time is like, that's a huge

1:40:37 Yeah, pay attention. Oh, it's $22 million. You don't need a huge team because you figure if you look at – I think – what's the number? I was talking to Chris Mellon, who's a former undersecretary and understands how the government works. So you give it to them, and I'll go back to like the 9-11 stuff where we really had the answer, but all the agencies weren't talking to each other to put all the pieces together and that's my fear that you go hey we're going to take a hundred million dollars of taxpayer money we're going to fund a program to actually seriously

1:43:06 If you look at the GoFast, it kind of looks like a Tic Tac. Barry Seal. The guy that was in my backseat had sent me an email, and this is about probably 2008. So I was retired. And he sent me this video. He said, Skippers, does this look familiar? I said, well, you really need to look at how did this thing come off of a classified drive system on an aircraft carrier and end up on Strangeland.com and YouTube?

1:44:57 so it's not that big of a deal. I think it's important to state, though, there are other government-funded UFO programs. OSAP was created because of Skinwalker Ranch, a government program to study UFOs and associated phenomenon. And none of them were like the tic-tac. I think even Commander Fravor said the thing noticed him was words he first said to me and kind of went towards him with its nose.

1:47:09 So it was obviously new we were there. I'm listening. He's pretty prominent in the UFO community. He, you gotta get, Oh, my God. He tried to get. And I want to know all about UFOs. He said, I'm going to find out. That makes sense. Can I just give you a quick break now? Now, from a sociological pop culture standpoint, what happened on that day is huge, and I don't want it to be missed on anybody.

1:50:31 Rachel, Nevada, where area 51 is where the access points go up. media has completely lied to you. They said 150 people showed up. Yeah, it's a total fabrication. I have the footage to prove it. to me, it's a huge win. There's nothing. They just got together. Dave, did you avoid this? People were going. they didn't rachel the community didn't want people there was an event there, though, in Heiko where I was

1:52:59 going to be safe and sane. My point It's great. Thanks for being here. which really like