Joe Rogan Experience #1379 — Ben Westhoff Transcript

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0:00 hello Ben thank you for having me my pleasure this is a subject that scares the shit out of turned out it was all adulterated. It wasn't real ecstasy. It wasn't real molly. It was adulterated well it does but for things like, yeah, traditionally, used in hospitals all the time. It's used, you know, there's the fentanyl patch for people with It first started killing people a little bit at the beginning of the 80s.

3:18 syringes but they tested them afterwards and there's no heroin in their system and so they're like what He's like, we are in trouble now because not only is there fentanyl, you can make a new – if you ban fentanyl, you can adjust the molecule, make another type of fentanyl. You would think that, like, an opiate would, like, make them sleepy, right?

5:06 all these papers start going online. And so these rogue chemists that I reference in the title of Tylenol-3 is opiates? I think it's codeine, which is a low-level opioid. And I don't know, Did it? I was lying in bed going, this is amazing. And every time I wanted, I could just hit this button and get a little bit more. And his nickname was Water Dog.

7:46 games for like ten thousand dollars these huge games and all these guys would come from the And then he would go and play. I mean, think about all the amazing artists that it's claimed. I mean, that mugshot that I have out there of Hendrix. But the thing is, you can't even get heroin in most parts of america like pure heroin anymore But if you start cultivating it, that's when it becomes a law.

10:24 that's the move you're probably going to be some mescal, you know, mescaline cacti or whatever. That's the move. They're pretty. are cut with fentanyl street drugs oh man it is like an awful time to be a That's how Tom Petty and the rapper Mac Miller all died, The guy who got him for Prince, yeah. you know, 58 or whatever. And he was definitely a guy who walked around with a lot of pain.

13:06 Oh, God. doctor went to look at it and they're like hey bro you've you got no hip left like it's just shot There's several options. people around when you're doing jujitsu and grappling but I found a thing called depending upon how far gone it is you know some people it's already bone on bone right yeah and like that's the thing i worry the most about is I have kids too.

16:24 You don't have the wisdom and the knowledge and the history to go, okay, I've got three It seems like marijuana, if you can smell the buds, if you can see them, you know, there have been kind of some scaremongering on the internet and certain police departments saying that there's been marijuana cut with fentanyl. Cushy Punch. We had a guy named John Norris on the podcast, and he wrote a book called Hidden War.

18:05 And they would use these extremely toxic pesticides. that people are smoking some of them are marketed as like all natural but they find synthetic And they, these are all made in China, too. May I do that when I come to China? And they just, they said yeah come by and so so i went to shanghai He's a total family man. And so then he showed me, because they have the website.

21:23 automatically scheduled. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they are. And like psychonauts, I'm sure you've heard of psychonauts, It was like fake Valium, like different types of Xanax. looked like a regular office park, like a suburban office park. There was a fountain in front of the take pictures. And so to take notes, I would just say stuff aloud. I'd be like, oh, that's

24:58 onto plant matter like dried sage and stuff like that really so they try to make it look like pot and you know I don't know. always be in these colorful packets they almost look like a Exactly, yeah. It's a stimulant. But so- And they also wrote, Just put in your bath. There was none found in his system. of that yes i have but i don't remember what it is it's more cathinones and like if you uh look

29:51 and the high becomes worse and then they ban that and then they make something new that's even worse down on lsd these chinese chemists started manufacturing this new type of psychedelic Ooh, fail. just no it totally no no nothing in common at all yeah now the crazy thing is that this probably my research than legalization, right? So like the presidential candidate Andrew Yang

33:19 People aren't talking about it that much. if you buy whiskey right you get a thing on the label it tells you what proof it is. You know that if you have Well, in some countries in Europe, they actually give free heroin to addicted users. where drug use is totally legal inside the facility they have clean needles they have doctors and on them. Yeah. Again, I think there's an issue politically right because nobody

36:37 And one thing I'm a big advocate for is called fentanyl testing strips. you think you have, heroin, and you dip the strip in there. And if there's two stripes, that means that you have fentanyl. It's like the miracle opioid overdose reversal drug. they figured out something that can stop people from like where else in the middle of an overdose That is like Quentin Tarantino just making something up.

39:04 and she pops up to life with a needle out of her chest. They're encountering them in the library. like there was a you know a mound of fentanyl someone sneezed and it was in the air you could Yeah. Someone told me that. It's a hundred times stronger than fentanyl. recording like oh what is that orange vat of you know did you do that kind of same shit when you're

41:58 What's up, dark web drug dealer? So he has this big, like, fuck, you know,due pharma anti-government anti-big pharma of paying money to the big pharmaceutical companies people buy this it's much cheaper and No, no, no. Yeah, I get it. because of what that sounds like. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if you're selling fentanyl, someone's probably died because of what you sold them.

45:36 You don't hear about fentanyl deaths in the news. like what would you do about the fentanyl crisis the opioid crisis and they all said basically They were joking around about this? this guy andrew yang who i said the candidate with he he talks he has a lot And I think that's the same thing about running for president. other than legalization of drugs.

49:07 Then more people were injured. What was it? 20s? I think it was the 30s what was it 20s i think it was It's not – the pills are not simple, right? past record in this realm? Like the DEA helped kill Pablo Escobar, right? But since then, there's more cocaine coming out of Colombia than there ever was before, you know, nowadays. Like there's these Mexican cartel members getting busted in India for buying fentanyl. In India. Yeah. The thing is like

52:27 university they they learn how to be chemists and then a certain amount of them get into the Exactly. but they're encouraging this industry they're encouraging the industry that's insane so it's tax rebate. And so they originally did that just to try to like, improve their economy, big fuck you yeah yeah wow um this is what's crazy about this is that what you said before

56:07 and there are these opioid blockers too. But medication-assisted treatment combines that because of ibogaine kicked booze kicked uh destructive self-destructive habits because He hurt himself. with minimal withdrawal symptoms um there's something that happens with ibogaine when you And it was actually found that MDMA, ecstasy, is like this amazing drug for PTSD. And it was actually found that MDMA, ecstasy, is like this amazing drug for PTSD.

59:35 And I think it also changes the way people think about drugs because these are not escape drugs in the same sense as heroin is Right. and make poor choices. Right, I've heard that. Oh, yeah. It changes who you are. You're pre that thing and then you are now you know. Now you know that there's a whole another dimension to understanding and to experience. It's just – it's very, very, very different than the normal static

1:02:19 And so he would tweak little bits to try to come up with new drugs, got into selling it and distributing it it was uh it was this this crazy story but they but the What's it made out of? Even in its regular proper dose, yeah yeah he's the most knowledgeable person that i know in terms of for sure the history of these his dad right yes yeah it's amazing earl morris is such an amazing documentarian yes yeah um we

1:05:34 They're like, are you going to get high with Joe? Do you feel like with education, you can do some good because people will be armed with facts and understanding, and they can make better choices. rare consensus because the the right wing is really into like china is fucking with us and You know, and a lot of times they have a proven track record of success in places like europe

1:08:05 dying from opioids. Now, all of a sudden, this is a this is a health problem. And this is something a lot of places still right if you know they they blame the person who they're with and um and they When people got caught with crack or selling crack, I mean, they went to jail for a long fucking time. He's like, it is cocaine. yeah so he um the original rick ross the original rick ross yeah the real rick ross exactly and he

1:11:19 The Rick Ross story, the real Rick Ross story, I should say, to fund the war And he's, you know, he's got some years on me. used the law was incorrect and unlawful. crack babies aren't real. That's not a real thing. He said that his, I believe, I hope I'm not Wait until the year 2000. definitely that that's who You know, the way he words and I was an East Coast music snob.

1:15:20 He's undisputed. Yes. He was like a political leader to a lot of people. how old was he when he died oh yeah 24 or something yeah yeah I mean Tupac was 25 and one of my Oh, yeah. After the podcast, we'll play it. The delivery. Oh, yeah, you're right. You know, I saw this early Tupac videos and heard early Tupac recordings, What is that from? That was his, like, solo like solo debut wow yeah digital underground

1:19:23 what do I listen to nine times out ten, I'll go to Leonard Skinner I still listen to some great stuff now. is with interesting to me too that much of i mean i it's weird when we talk about drugs because drugs seem it they kind of fueled each other the uh the psychedelics absolutely um i guess that dirt weed they were smoking probably uh for like micro dosing of weed like where's that well what you want to get is those cbd thc tablets

1:22:47 face off harder i just like i don't know man uh psychedelics like lsd you know i'm like going in Yeah, but it just makes you feel as crappy like the old Whopper did. Be kind to your body. Yeah. Yeah, it's 100%. addicting in the right way addictive in the a that are living in tents because they have drug addicts, show what are people capable of doing you know it's um i don't have all the answers i don't have

1:27:14 where if he fucks up he goes to jail i think he goes to jail for a long time he's not a dealer I'm doing great. I love when someone was, their life was fucked up and now it's not fucked up at all. breakfast like this is amazing and people get caught up in that and it doesn't agree drinking like, you know, we had to do this one where you put your arms above your head and hold it in this

1:29:50 And I think that the ability to silence all the internal chatter that you were just discussing, like that thing like you think about being a terrible person or you hate yourself or that is so common with people and so many people just live things. Oh, I got to pay that bill. Oh, I got to do this thing. Oh, I got to make sure I call that breathing and like meditation you'll go off track and you start thinking about things oh i gotta pay

1:31:10 I do hot yoga, like Bikram. Well, that's the fucked up part about it. it's like many things in life things are messy you know life is life is a messy proposition and apparently who were so upset about this back from india that there were attempts on his life i heard This sword bounced off my comb, and I am here to teach yoga. like a yoga teacher your friend goes dude i'm dating a yoga teacher like whoa yeah well my

1:34:16 a little bit this time yeah i mean everything from waco to jim jones to all yeah if they wind His own parents never said they loved him. Like, this is Mike. small I instead of a capital I like I think about myself in certain ways you know I'm like I'm like like the idea that you have you are a brand you're a brand ben westhoff you fucking brand you

1:36:58 And I think that that is your brand. You're always auditioning. right? But that's not what it is what it is is the people that run god they don't even know what their opinion is because they've never really developed opinions. They've developed an act. worst elements of um you know male dominated corporate culture epitomized in hollywood so it's it's funny

1:40:09 it's what happens to so many people where they have that position where but I didn't have sex with Harvey. And then this is this is creates that culture and that guy just Verse, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus again. And Joseph's Campbell, like that, you know but it's like ultimately you know 30 000 people dying of fentanyl is a horrifying when he was sleeping with his face in the pillow,

1:43:17 The death of one person is a tragedy. oh really i think tylenol actually has the narrowest like therapeutic window it's really Oh, really? And there's also kids have done it, they were getting hazed for fraternities. How much water do you have to drink before you die? For five hours? You're dead. Millimolar? Oh, so it dilutes? year we went crazy we did we had a fitness challenge this year we just went sober and we

1:47:12 you don't need like multiple tablespoons yeah well i've been you know i ran a marathon and i'm into Why did you feel awful? Then the next day I was sore. don't bother you like people can yell at you you're like oh hi keep yelling this doesn't mean Yeah, that's the – the meditation is the closest that I get to that. You're not letting your ego get in the way i think there's

1:49:43 chair at the office. It's like this amazing chain of lakes where there's no motorized boats allowed. You've got your big packs on. I get my, like, 30 minutes of exercise in every other day. But most people just don't use their body enough. But those things are not mutually exclusive there's, there's some competition, competition but it's like it's not like

1:53:08 And so that's another thing. taking opioids for years and years and years. And now all of a sudden, the doctor was like, Yeah, exactly. And so fentanyl will get them high again, It's available now. I enjoyed it. Much wider ranging than...