Joe Rogan Experience #1382 — RZA & Donnell Rawlings Transcript

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0:00 Boom, okay I'm going to give him a beat I'm saying I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one. The day was a good day for me because I knew I was coming to do your show. P.O.D. I'm just trying to help. He say, he say, what's up with the podcast? Three o'clock. Talking to myself. But you know what? We talk about it And then when I did it

2:43 It's on Jamie went trying to help me out. I agree with you 100%. He didn't wanna put me online He does You just go in and be yourself. But let me just say, yo, that kind of does, you know, whereas because I know the Quran is the Quran. Ooh. I feel you. And when you verbalize it even out loud, you know what I mean? The body of our Gita did not reach him.

6:28 They get mad money too son There's a lot of people you how can you give it to them dude they'd love you just talk about come on man that's a that's a Yeah. Is it Mahabharata? That's the one with the- Where there's flying crafts crafts there's a bunch of Words are everything I love, my nigga. Eight? He was asking me about Sugar Hill. I think you did.

9:27 No, I don't have any time to rap. That's what Joe, you said. You're going to edit it out. There's like a small handful of guys. Let's say 50 million blacks tried. Makes sense. I thought you could No, the beautiful thing is that hip hop is really one of those. Trace it right here. Rick Rubin. It took our white brothers and their culture to all form it.

12:54 You know what I mean? When it was taboo. or Honky Tonk do you think Because people, they got a situation now where it don't have to evolve. keyboard their drum machine their laptop and just drum machine, their laptop, and just create. And on their phone, too. the creativity of it But I think one of the it to gospel it's melodic as hell right now snoop took it to the snoop lion but snoop lion he was

16:57 What you mean now? They had this one. You didn't hear about this, son? You know what's going on? sorry. I didn't know. What's going on? I didn't know. They had this one. Google it, son. Yo it's real and they got the he from down south They say he's speaking tongues. It's the internet kids these wacky Yeah. Listen, I don't think you're going to find a species that don't like sex.

19:04 You know what I mean Cause they kinda like You ever seen it Until he gets it off Those are American eagles And then apparently no emotion involved about anything is what gives it that it's good if you want the world to be scared of you That look is like You don't That look and flying Is what A good one If you want me to show you Wow. I mean, nowadays, you can see movies anywhere.

21:11 No, no. Okay? Wu-Tang Killer Bees. starring Bruce Lee, that nigga's Once I saw that, As a double feature. It's a big deal. So now I'm in New York City living with my grandmother. stuffed pig feet In the movies. but you know what? they was like this all the concessions and walked straight Boy, I ain't got good cents. They really inspired me You know what I mean

24:25 and Super Ninjas, And maybe around I'm watching. Y'all don't drink right When someone be yeah i don't even really to be honest i don't even really know what the fuck a real vegan is Both To be honest with you, bro, I just hit you with this right here. meat in his life, He never had a hot dog. How old is he, 18? Okay. Right bro is that I'm with you I talk shit about plant-based motherfuckers.

27:33 You got to go way over there. Jamie wants to get the Tito's. You're a Tito's man? I'm going to see somebody. How many years has it been? Yo, you got squash, son? Thank you. I don't really monitor, yo. You know what I mean? I got some, you're gonna love love it, son. I'm not mad at your diet, man. No, it's just nut butter. Fat bomb. Nuts. from nuts, period.

30:48 I'm just not comfortable with it I'll get them to send you some It's basically just protein, why you keep, Yes, I'm going to say something to you, gentlemen, but this is for you. Right. Good for me. I had to. I like dark chocolate. No, what is it? I didn't see that one. I got a story for you Okay Kellogg's start Is that what he had? Battle Creek Sanitarium.

33:27 Dude, He invented cereal to get the nutrients, that was like Pour some milk in it. after sex cereal. He's right. Golden Grahams. Immediately. Now, check's the best shit? After sex cereal? Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, after cereal. Yo, you got to have after sex, son. But Kellogg's, he's a doctor. Right? He's working. and before Kellogg's starts Kellogg's cereal,

35:06 Was they had like cereal beef Black people love Pepsi Cola And he explained the story to me everything you saw was like aunt jemima shit but pe but Pepsi was the first ones to start doing that, So that's the reason. You won't drink it anymore. How one pioneering company You was just seeing like but it's a great story they was a Pepsi niggas Pepsi it up pep it up do you know that Coca-Cola to this was like- Just pep it up. Yep. Pepsi it up.

37:56 a company that makes- I thought it was the sugar. Well, yeah. Coke. He's hooked on morphine, right? You know what I mean? ingredients together. Yo, you're like, what? I thought that they did it for people, like, with dental issues with their mouth and stuff. Lidocaine. but you feel like disconnected and weird like uh they gave me a pretty good dose when they fixed

40:38 Yeah, I wasn't that hungry. But they use it just to numb you up for surgeries. Lidocaine. Lidocaine Just fuck you up No, buddy. Vanilla and sea salt. Did you put it on top of something Just throw the thing We'll produce your show Anyone who's disciplined with their diet, if you're disciplined with your diet, no matter what, you're going to do better than people or not.

42:26 for some people health-wise, yeah, take my advice, they have, you know, Saturday they do this or Sunday they do that. If you include it one day Right Just like how Like how some cultures They have I can't give up vegan Friday Because they've been doing it You know what I'm saying? A struggle. He does? Or nothing Vegan version of that No School them on some diet.

44:22 The meat not cheap. And then you would get anything in between two pieces of bread, whether it was butter and sugar. That's not a bad sermon You was like You said, this is what you just said. sandwiches I wanted bologna and cheese somebody show up at the school lunch and they got a better Oh, man. You said that. I keep it simple. Slimans in Cleveland, Ohio.

46:51 Germantown. Yo, Jamie Jamie am I lying You get this sandwich And then a half loaf of bread if you want to smash but that sandwich but it's legs, the rumps, you know. I want to know about lips and assholes. I don't even want to talk about meat with you, man. you know they that's why they would dry it you know they would dry meat so they can carry it

48:57 It's like chicken tastes better. And then I went to actually turkey burgers, turkey pastrami, turkey chopped meat for my spaghetti. anybody can knock out 30 30 chicken wings right i can knock out 30 chicken wings 100 And I never ate it again. All of Queens fried chicken. dropped down. They're good. Do you know that some birds are actually red meat?

51:33 The breast is a red meat. Yeah, you could get it on some menus in Texas I believe That's sous vide my friend That's the animal The country And when of age They stay together. A crane. Oh, man. It looks like a ribeye steak even though i go to vegan restaurants, they be like, vegan fish. God said, because you heard How about that How about that ver That shit'll blow up

54:45 you put the V in there. You got some Vic in there. that you're giving me part of the animal. I don't think they care They want somebody Yeah. You give them that And go look No Like real foods No, no, no. You're just defensive. Yeah. what and you know what it was like joe joe guess what that was disgusting to you i wanted that They had some fillers.

57:22 But another thing what it did For me When I ate the burger Them fruit and vegetable motherfuckers right Above and Beyond. Is there one more delicious? You go to Gelson's, you can get Beyond Sausage, you get Beyond whatever. Let's Google how they do it before I butcher the actual explanation. It's just. nothing to do with an actual organism like it's never been alive it's not like you killed it to

59:30 You got a good point. Well, think about it this way. Well, look, the good thing about it. I'm so motherfucking confused. and they have more and more control over their environment, Cell phones used to be that Michael Douglas thing on the fucking beach. But a shitty phone now, a $200 phone now, it was a goddamn world changer 13 years ago. But they said that, like, maybe this was about three months ago, and it was big about how red meat does not digest well.

1:01:28 Please do. But I will say that if there's a way to create something that will save other lives, yeah, create it. serve the purpose and needs, So now you don't have to subjugate somebody to do that. You know what I mean? No no no I agree with you I'm trying to save this nigga's life. What did he call you? He said, give it up for Rondell Darlings. fucking joke but i knew it was out of disrespect it was never i know what you're saying though

1:05:05 all salads. to say he was allergic Did you know that? You can carve your name on their belly. I can only drink 7-Up. I'm like that's not gonna Like water Some people are like, I don't like water because it don't taste like sugar or anything is in it. You want that water. When they started, my mother thought it was the devil. you're paying for the bottle though not the not the water. But whatever it is. It's such a stupid. But whatever it is. We've got to stop having bottle water in the studio.

1:07:36 What can we do about that? I'm just asking. I mean, we clean them. If they know you're recycling? The reason why I want to go back to that Great dude. and the only reason if you crack the joke I don't know how hard you go. And as well as But if you ain't working out And feel it. What you just said, I know that's the only thing that you're going to get that burst. It is nothing like you get some celery that got that motherfucking pop with no string or nothing attached to it.

1:11:03 I could just eat celery. I like celery with peanut butter, like celery with anything like i could literally like i could just eat it like i could just eat Like you. I'm not going to do this with you. I'm drinking too. It's simple. Asking for it. Only a person can appreciate water When they drink it That's drinking Was a pro Big fucking jug of water.

1:13:10 Wow. I'm just, you know, just whatever, yo. He said, you drink after you complete something, and then you celebrate. And he said that. And I took that into consideration. Yeah, you're right. So many people that are a fan of yours spill over to fans of mine. And I get so many tweets saying, when are you going to go on the Joe Rogan show? That's an honor.

1:15:00 But I will tell you that your collaboration with Rage Against the Machine, Wu-Tang Clan You hear Tom Morello's guitar. I'm glad you did me, nigga. Okay, let me say, where a group of individuals Everybody was dope. and to feed our families. Yeah, we always got to come back together because Wu-Tang is forever. It was called Secret Society when I was doing it.

1:17:48 She said, I had Mike Epps, I had Mark Thiel, I had Red Grant, I had some bad motherfuckers. but it was four other people Okay, I got you there. Spread his wings. for the most part, This motherfucker it fall like this yo yo it was good we all got it now let me know that they're strong enough for Voltron. it wasn't no sucker dude niggas is 32 But it's true.

1:19:52 That nigga weighs 32. back in those days, And then come to us and to an industry that was lacking that alpha energy. Wu-Tang was inexorably connected to Kung Fu And then of course you had ODB Who was like a, there was an intelligence and then, of course, you had ODB sort of spiritual Yo, from Wu-Tang was there. Yo, there was. And there's a guy A guy went on tour

1:21:57 Atlanta You ain't gonna Woo got kids. well the most beautiful thing though you know that's the beauty of art creativity and and being but it grows out of mud. right so there's other kids I had to And some may cross the line. Right, exactly. He was a sock Riz was a sock nigga You can get a dozen needs socks. You just can't go in a neighborhood that got

1:25:13 But the opposite is this. You get drugs from uptown They had the best rates right, Easy. And that's where They got to have clean socks all day. and film the movie So it didn't matter the quality you just had to have Yeah, because there's so many people that are jerking off. now all you need is tag words they don't get a piece of that. I'm just saying,

1:28:10 Just like a joke. watch it for free and they sell advertising space and they make money off something they didn't buy and negotiate better stories Shkreli. That was smart. And so I think a lot of his assets Yeah. But I would release that online or release it with you or let you release it. Holler at your boy. Yeah, I said, listen, yo. He wanted to be, I don't give a fuck.

1:31:20 whole pharmaceutical crisis where he's overcharging for, was it AIDS medication? No, I think he probably did, he wanted to make- Oh, that would have been interesting. Wu-Tang is good. And then we release the music If a dude's got it, he wants to sell it. If you play Monopoly. Do you still be like I think heard art art like right to be quite honest it might not even be no motherfucking songs in there

1:33:46 break it down to one. You know what I'm saying? Through streaming services? By society, right? Through streaming services? Let's talk a little bit of business. Now, the music industry, like any other industry, numbers are now decreased because there's no physical cell of their music for us to accumulate Right. Four hundred dollars What's the best way

1:36:06 Because they don't have to, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But during this period of time, maybe within the last three, four years, it's starting to rebalance. Right? A studio session is up to, let's say, at the cheapest level, 100 bucks an hour. Even the download, just logic, right, which everybody use. But if you're a fan iTunes If you're a nostalgic person.

1:38:41 Let me just say this to you. So, while at one point I tried to prove a point by saying, look, I'm going to put a value on it so you know there's a value to it because there's a value to me. I'm with you. Yeah, because that's the way to listen now. Fans need to know. Fans need to know. If I'm a fan and $14 is not too much money for me to spend, Why?

1:40:32 you get a physical object people of certain Like a motherfucker want a vinyl Wu-Tang because it's art. Or anything like that This technology Well, albums. Oh, shit, I got this album. it's a genre or something that you connect with they're gonna be like i want to buy that well an act right it's like going to a restaurant you go there look the food is three times the price

1:42:59 Down at the Grammy Museum, I saw it. Cherokee Pride Paul Revere and the Raiders. Yeah, that's it. And I paid my $100 for it. I actually bought it for meth. After St. Louis, You know what I mean? now we have a symbiotic relationship. Get out of jail. But I think If that's okay with you Twenty five A jail call. I shamed him into doing one episode that he already did.

1:46:47 Like, what's your, is it all physical with yoga for you, or is it something spiritual? And I think that's the thing that is misunderstood about yoga because in my opinion and I've done both I've done regular meditation I've done physical exercise I think there's a What happened to the chest son? Any day now And you just breathe The story is He thought that the Kung Fu was too external.

1:48:55 First, you bang on the back of your ears. Oh, it gives you, like, a little rhythm. Right? You want to open up your main vessels. two ears. Wait, that's P-E-P. But anyway Right? So Bodhidharma was an Indian monk who was more of a yoga student. wu-tang philosophy so when we made wu-tang clan uh and i'll go back to myself with this we made And so we took the physical of Shaolin as our base, the spiritual, the meditative force of Wu-Tang, and we put it together.

1:52:41 Yo, give me a Wu-Tang name, son. Your essence is Don L. Rawlings. I understand that. Wu-Tang Generator, I'll take that. So I'm smoking weed. Every time I text him it's like yo nigga And motherfuckers say, it's Wu-Tang. Had us on the show So he did the three Netflix specials Right It was the first one Where was it? Can I talk about it real quick? Yes, please. So I'm watching it.

1:55:04 And then he goes, you know, he don't understand, you know, No, I'm sorry. I said, babe, what? Because it stayed in my fucking mind. Right. what he was saying bow You know what I'm saying? So that's what it was. Who did it? Who did it? Tell him. now it's true because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit exactly hold on so now with us right alright

1:57:08 The RZA, the JZA, Old Dirty Bassett, Inspector Deck, Ray Kwan the Chef, Of course, Capadonna and Master Killer and a lot of mathematics and sometimes even Red Some from Long Beach, some from Compton. And what do they call it when you do it? Yeah. So you got it in an elevator? Oh, my God. For anything, Wu-Tang forever. But it was hurtful in a sense like when it happened

1:59:33 the next night is a cast what the fuck happened a motherfucker could do. And we was working on an album I said, first of all, I don't think I found in the history of me, of my study, I never This shit is biblical. Check it out. of a two-story apartment building, but didn't die. He said, I think he was sober when he jumped. Because he had to console me.

2:01:37 but he didn't die. So he said, I had a friend who used to drink and shit, He just hit the floor Ten stories go until it's time to go right oh 100 so you think you're killing yourself it ain't happening but if So anyway, I sent him the Quran. But when he jumped, that was the moment of sobriety. Like, I had a really bad sexual thing. You know what I'm saying?

2:04:05 Against the grain. And then the hot kid back in, you go knock on the door. Anyway, that's it. Is that true? Thank God for scientists Chop your dick off So I'm getting I'm getting the. So I'm getting the track today. You guilt tripped the shit out of Bebo. No, I didn't guilt you, I asked you. I said, could you just produce the first episode and get off the track?

2:06:01 And I didn't know I was going to fail. I wasn't, I contemplate it. Now that you're doing it, I'll do whatever. All right. Listen, don't even go with hip. I got on some classical station. like a motherfucker. D-O-N-N-E-L-L. Don't say that. If you show it, if he wouldn't have said it, nobody would have knew it. to add some numbers. Well, you can't spell

2:08:06 I got you. Don't send it up to you like a goddamn hurricane. You got me. What are we going to do? Yo, when did this come out of? You can't hear me, but it's by his right foot. Before I slip out I'm interested in That's why I was just It was better when it was live. yeah very very and genius We got to write his room. we have the liberty to fictionalize some things. So for it's not only because of like, you know, we have the liberty

2:10:58 Right. You know what I mean? I've seen how painful it is. We see them as our babies. to tap into all of that and how they look at guns when you think about a gun, in certain cases from just, like, hunting which was one of Method Man's first videos So you get that angle as well. Staten Island, right? The new Superfly. that started How does it feel You can say that without

2:15:20 and the beauty of it all And so I watched the N.W.A. movie and I'm like, wow, it's a movie. and they could say, wow, what can we do now to take it to another level? Yeah. and I'll end with this, I had... With the black keys Was employed Fit in Whether their art fit in Like he told you to spit 16 But his talking Listen His, his talking attract millions just like my spending $16,000.

2:18:35 And a motherfucker that can just sit there and talk to somebody forever. you're on the road man you got no worries yo we're gonna leave with a verse check it out hit me with To keeping girls on my payroll that'll cut your nuts off after they fuck you. blood spills inside the church and outside the shopping store, inside the movie theater, school campus and church or the synagogues. No location is omitted.

2:20:37 That's it.