Joe Rogan Experience #1391 — Tulsi Gabbard & Jocko Willink Transcript

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0:00 All right, here we go. And he's like, yeah. Cool. Yeah, you're like i'm in yep i'm in but jaco he'll say that to anything yeah you want to go to the moon It's like To get together You know And since you've been On the podcast A lot of things have happened Big The big one is agree on and disagree on but you're you're in a really unique position here you know and and since

1:32 Ah. kind of a household name so to watch this process and to watch all God, I feel like I'm used to it. So it's, I mean, it's just like, What's interesting is, for me, again, as an outsider, your sails but the other thing they're saying is that you know in order for democrat to beat Has there ever been someone in your position that's gotten caught in such a crossfire?

6:39 that's very distinct and different. And her whole campaign was based on the premise of being a prosecutor single moms into with with a fear of jail if their kid didn't go to school yeah that's that's He's America. Well, that seems to me, it's kind of hard to argue against that, right? it's like a smaller government, And by the way, if you believe this, if you believe yes and I believe no, I actually hate you.

9:47 actually it's like oh cool oh that's an interesting perspective because one thing that gets tied into But all those single moms over here working two, three jobs, you know, you always talk interviewed on tv before a bunch as well and it's actually crazy it's when you compare it to a I had early on, right after Trump got elected, somebody, I was doing a Reddit AMA.

11:59 needle, right? That's the way it is. And on top of that, look at what happens with our political Well, it actually makes sense for America. congresswoman we gotta cut the commercial yeah the tide is waiting yeah congresswoman we gotta So the whole show, we're going to just let it run with no commercial interruptions. No microphone? of value from the conversation um that's happening on these these debates that are really

15:00 I don't get anything from it anyway. And with a guy like Trump. That's the best way we understand who he really is. the other jokes roll off his back because he doesn't care what people say about him, basically. All the nicknames. Yeah. I'm probably not on the top of her friend list. and there she is, the hero to many people of the Democratic Party.

18:14 I was the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee. both in the administration as well as as a US Senator and Bernie Sanders, you know, But I remember one of the first interviews that I did on MSNBC, And friends of mine, politicians in Washington, they were like, are kept and your political career will be over that was really the message that i got from

21:24 by only sending them on missions worthy of their sacrifice, maximizing diplomacy, engagement with other countries in the world through cooperation rather than conflict and always seeing war as a last resort. seeing so much of the corporate media and the political machine attacking me is because of this I want to talk to you about that, but I want to talk to you about what she said to you or about you rather.

22:28 and is one of the most prominent politicians in our country how do they get away with something then you can see how somebody gets away with calling a sitting member of Congress, no one said hold on you what are you saying she is you're saying she's a russian asset to know that you're being used to further the interests of a nation other Do you ever think you could reach a tipping point where this happens enough, this kind of thing

26:24 something that i think goes much deeper than that. I mean, you got to give a lot of credit to the Republican Party because the establishment Yeah. And I think that's something else that's been interesting. And again, very transparent, To raise that question in people's minds and to raise that suspicion That's what they decided to bring up. joe thank you you're good it Joe. Thank you. You're good.

29:39 That's today, though. destructive and it shows that there's no good leadership at the top of the heap because at the The answer is going to be somewhere in the middle. Why don't I just find a good kind of solution handled. we have the same exact political system that we had before the internet with the internet. Right? I talked about it in Triggered

32:31 I was seeing that are believe in border security you're a racist well that makes ob. Hey, if you believe in border security, you're a racist. Well, that makes Obama a racist. I'm voting for Trump. you know, meaningful conversation about how to get there rather than continuing what we are doing where huge gap in the woods. It's pretty nice up there.

35:39 when the politics are so different between mexico and the United States. And Mexico is just insanely corrupt. Yeah. i mean it would just be the militia will rise up my god yeah you want to find out what the second But a lot of the people that are trying to come here are MS-13 gangsters looking to come up here and whatever, do what they're going to do in America where there's even more money to be made off of illegal activities.

37:25 Come on in. We don't have the resources as a country to be able to do that when, you know, look, here in L.A. when people aren't taking the time both to sit down and first try to understand the problem, the kurds and who can get the tweet out the fastest people are asking me like hey what do you have to counter-terrorist operations. So we, we, we changed our strategy. And as we did this, we were,

41:25 only been three weeks. Can I get some more time here to work through this? And he's like, okay, American people with, here's what has gone on. You can form your own opinion. You can form your own conclusion. But here's the course of events that understand the long game, that are playing 3D chess, all but if my boss tells me to do something that doesn't make any sense i'm gonna say hey boss this

44:13 everyone else is dumb no you just need to see it through it's like no actually we need to make some So we can try to anticipate that, and then we can, okay, this is how we would respond. what actually happens next? What will be the consequences to this? What will be the cost to about how Al Qaeda has gotten so strong in Syria to where, I mean, right now they control an entire

47:08 of cheerleaders for a lot of these wars or a lot of these military actions. covering for their, you know, CIA relationships, rather than actually bringing forward a story that Yes. to back off from it where he actually you know he didn't take that position in that example of with you and the subject begin i think i think it it goes back to again um the the opposition

51:07 and measures and talks and negotiations to further our interests of peace and national security, I mean, you could watch slave auctions that someone filmed with their camera on their phone, it's just Libya is a completely failed state. There are more terrorist organizations and strongholds in Libya now than there ever were well, you guys are saying you want to come in and negotiate with us

54:11 going on television or giving speeches saying yeah you know we're going to approach North Korea with continuing to escalate. you've got to know what the end state is. You've got to know where you're going and when you're going to be good to go. All the Cubans that supported America were in America. We showed the result that is positive and and it's and those those could be massive you know i always talk

57:50 That's before you go in so you can't look at it and say well, you know, we can go into Libby You'll be home when it's over. five years. Ramadi was the model of counterinsurgency Right, they did all that they gave all that and I was able to look around and say, you know what these folks in this foreign country And those insurgents that were there, they were like little embers,

1:01:02 how many analysis you put on something when you start throwing human nature into a leadership vacuum, all these things are kind of completed the mission the way that we should have. Again, when we go back and we say, a moral obligation to try and do something to help that? Hey, that's a decision you have to We had done a decent job. And are you willing to sacrifice that now, if the guy's doing something to an innocent person,

1:03:41 I don't know if that's even the right word disagree but You can tell me if I'm wrong, When you actually peel back the layers, there are ulterior motives in place that set the pretext to use our military to go and overthrow a regime in another country or topple a dictator. And if the answer to that is yes, then we should do so. But the problem that we've

1:06:46 I think before we go in and make this decision to take military action, You hate that other side. They completely hate Trump. Whenever he does something, I love to call the friends who hate him and just have them scream and yell and rant about it and go, why are you so worked up, man? is people that they just can't believe. At least I'm not getting called a bigot

1:09:55 have today where we're there's so much coming at us and you can't pay attention to all of us in those people they're they're met most of them they're not out on the fringe somewhere you know And I said, that's not normal life. and i think they should all join a jujitsu gym 100 they all took jujitsu We're viewing it like there's this gigantic battleground that the world is in an uprising right now.

1:12:43 And I certainly couldn't see Joe Rogan sitting in a cubicle or on a manufacturing line. They want to have a good economy. And I'll go to their page and just look. that they're living some kind of a decent life? That's the best thing you can do. Well, that's also argument for Team Trump. But they're saying, yes, in some ways he's doing things of these other countries have to suffer.

1:16:22 where you see this trade war that is escalating, is focused on, on engaging with other countries being that force for good, focusing on cooperation, the diagnosis of the issue. It is how he's going about it in a very um uh you know shoot escalating these tensions with countries like China and with Russia this is I mean it's it's serious the stakes are very high

1:19:19 presidential and and then like whatever one day into it he was sending out a tweet about somebody We're doing everything here the details i can't quite remember but they said hey we're not going to put a tariff on And they put a 7% tariff on geese from overseas. Yep. OriginMaine.com. And is there anything more American to make it an American company than jeans?

1:22:19 Truly. We're making boots as well. that's got like 8 billion parts to it. He wanted to get a loom because he realized that the only four employees back there we have 60 now we're we're making stuff all the time but this is when They're real In the rematch And where we've gone wrong as we look at some of these trade deals with countries like India and others,

1:26:03 in i've seen your packaging says we the, like what more powerful words are there? They're the first words of I mean, you've heard a lot from like corn and soybean farmers in Iowa. What happened was the apple farms in Washington state selling Honeycrisp apples that they do But then you look at the downstream. Or just the level of uncertainty and destabilization it's created, I think, has been the most negative impact on people here at home.

1:29:08 I mean, they make the most spectacular cameras. this is a shifty company that's inexorably tied to the chinese government there's no difference talking about huawei but i think also just uh the issue of building these backdoor entries into our election, you know, we had hoped that I would do well going into it and that people would go and And then we'll put

1:32:14 And so To get it back up And then all of a sudden, hours and hours had gone by Does Google own Boston Dynamics? I'll tell you what, you get extra double bonus credit from me right now, Tulsi, because that And very few people talked about it and very few people know about it. search for whatever, or what's popping up on our Facebook feed, they control that.

1:34:46 And it's getting everybody riled up. amount of influence and an extraordinary amount of money is being generated and we never agreed And whether it's Google or Facebook or Twitter, any of these, the amount of influence they have is insane. these companies have so much power we are not ready for this and this is happening right under It has to be. The amount of power this guy has and that he wants to continue to grow is so dangerous.

1:38:29 people that understand how all that stuff works. creature that takes sips of water like that that is just not the way you drink And like touches Watch this slid i love that jamie was able to find that so fast a master master so so tulsi let me ask you Congresswoman. I've thought about this. And, a, That means I need more money from Wall Street. At that time, I don't know if you know this or not, it was 2015.

1:42:13 know five years ago it'd be like oh you want to sell a book you better go on the big network united around the principles and freedoms that bring us together, focusing on we, the people, and that I am willing to take a stand to speak the truth for the people, Tulsi2020.com. decide we're going to ban you based on your political leanings based i mean there's a famous

1:46:01 controversial without being removed from the discourse. you like it or not, biological science. how they want to be treated and use the And there's no other option. their ideologies. OJ Simpson's on Twitter. 100%. the story is going to be represented by trump and trump supporters and i don't know what the sort of parameters that you mean there's laws on virtually everything and virtually everything that

1:49:26 and discourse that i think we've celebrated in this country for so long where this is the country your whole career can be just like gone, finished. feed my twitter feed's filled with calling that guy a piece of shit i was the first one yeah first but a lot of what Trump says, but freedom of speech. But that's like, this is where we're at. of these issues, not seeing that as a bad thing.

1:52:22 Gab's one. 4chan and 8chan Yeah The companies like Gab, they're committed to free speech. They're just trying to post pictures of their dinner, right? What could be done? and what they're doing with it, maybe without us even knowing about it, use because there isn't really a legitimate alternative option available to us. So I think But he faces resistance that inside the actual company that he's the CEO of.

1:56:30 You know, I think this is something that we're seeing happening offline as well, you know, the killing of Baghdadi. but they called him like a religious scholar. Astute? Go okay Here it is That was the first time that title yeah it's so bananas yeah it is it's crazy that's as tulsi just pointed out that's Too nice. like they're a contributor to culture. And that's what it seems.

1:59:52 He's throwing gay people off the top of buildings. Obviously, it's awful for the kind of straightforward reason that you realize that people are learning the wrong thing. actually was and how awful could remember that guy's name who did it met medhi m-e-d-h-i but this is the washington post Yeah, my dad pointed out to me, you know, you were talking about there's nothing that unifies us anymore and you're like hey everyone changed jiu-jitsu i obviously

2:03:13 her. And I was like, wow, just completely different, completely different than what I Or news, for that matter? to see what these silly liberals are up to, i don't think people even understand what that all means and whether or not it even has a chance of this one's going to sink. what else are you going to do? We just need to move on, They're like, yeah, impeach him, fucking impeachment.

2:05:36 Probably just let him finish his term. And everything they can get at them. but even if that were to happen, the Senate is not going to convince 20. And I was really curious about what they were going to do, how they were going to make you out. But basically, they're like, there is a villain amongst all of these candidates. The thing is, I was thinking as it was playing out, they don't show you for a while.

2:08:27 That poor guy is falling apart. With 30,000 people there screaming. His teeth are literally falling out in the middle of the campaign. Exactly. literally what they're afraid of if you wanted to show what jujitsu could do everyone on earth It's radical to be reasonable. whether you're talking about the guy who's working in the manufacturing warehouse,

2:11:32 that is pragmatical, I win the primary election. That's ridiculous. This is why, you know, I'll go on Fox News, MSNBC, that people are actually upset that they do not think that you should grace the Fox News screens, You know who's never to pin me down politically Yeah, You know, when actually anybody that looks at that from a strategic view would think oh she's actually

2:14:17 they see is more dangerous is finding areas where you actually do agree right and that's you know And, you know, I think in some of these areas, Tucker and I will disagree on a whole host of things. I think that's the bigger issue here is, yeah, you know, there's a political consequence. so we just need to forget about him yeah exactly those two those two things completely divided

2:16:53 be the right thing that you could say that's going to in you know and get you a little closer in the It sucks. you know, What it really made people think is, Oh, behind people are, they heard deplorables, they heard 47%, and that's bad. But yeah, you're right. What it really made people think is, oh, behind the scenes, I mean, there's so many groups now and so many companies that are just looking at data online and opinions,

2:18:44 They're followers. But no, looks like it's not even. the world is upset at you not a lot of supporters internationally right yeah and that guy's like Nobody gets out. um so the first thing i'll say is that if if you're going into this um to be popular which is actually just focusing on, hey, let's do the best job we can do to deliver the best result for the American people. None of us are perfect and won't always get it

2:22:17 which is made up of people who are elected from their communities and from their states to be able to form and shape the policies that do impact the lives of people in this country. within our constitution, does not abuse that executive power, which is something that we've It didn't go the way you wanted it to you don't point your fingers or blame anybody else you say, okay

2:24:25 and be able to say, yeah, I did the best I could do. I made some good decisions. I made some bad But you're only 38, right? Mine's real too but with you I don't buy it And so I decided to keep it just as a physical reminder of those we lost and the price that so many people paid. Yeah. Instead of just attacking you. But I think the machine is strong,

2:26:52 based on continuing this narrative that they do have a choice between more of the same old, same old, more of the I mean, they didn't give him a chance to talk. Who is in the lead now? It's still Biden, right? And behind Biden is Elizabeth Warren. Is that what the idea is? who I've worked with in the Senate, for three hours on a podcast, I have not qualified yet for the next debate in December

2:30:59 I think at about 199,000 Tulsi2020.com. look at a guy like, they can take money out of politics like that yes there has to be there has to be and how much it's disproportionately helping doesn't matter. where instead of leaders voting based on what they believe is right for their constituents or right for the country or based on their, the more they're demanding change and

2:34:37 When you asked that question, I was like, Joe, come on, man. This crazy lady's not playing games. seen it happen in real time where that those bully tactics come into play speaking of tactics As president Yeah You should always All right. Tulsi2020.com. Thank you Mayhem