Joe Rogan Experience #1392 — Zach Bitter Transcript

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0:00 What's up, Zach? Those Ultras. Which ones? Yeah, toe box. what's it called? And the number one indicator of low injury risk, which is what runners are always looking for, they're going to minimize risk. where you kind of have to look at what's the purpose of what you're doing. something a little more cushioned. And if you want, if you're dealing with something like in

2:27 That's really interesting. You know, I was watching a video with this guy who was in his 70s who runs an under three hour marathon Yeah, and uh, he said that five years ago. He hired a coach don't understand that this fat cushioned heel uh it all comes down to what i was saying before where if you can heel strike but your foot is But usually I think if you're doing that, that's probably because you're under that bent knee and you're not kind of having that point where your foot is out in front of your knee.

5:12 hours and 40 what minutes yeah so um it was yeah let me i'll explain a little bit so it was uh the because there's not a lot of timed events it. But the training went really well. And, uh, I went there targeting the a hundred mile world That's so crazy. some time that's four sub three hour marathons in a row. Yeah. glucose and you you ramp up your carbohydrates considerably before a race but like what is what

8:48 what I'm doing, say on race day, or they look at what I'm doing on one of my big workout that's getting more momentum behind it and more studies and science behind it too. There's some fuel. So then it becomes a question of like, do you need that a hundred percent of the time? Or or the other so two glucose to one sucrose yeah interesting and now what what are the different

11:22 they would be if they're looking at, at the research and where that's kind of at. Um, but yeah, so like really when the question that I standpoint. But if I'm going out for an easy run of like 60 to 90 minutes, and it's going to be and that's just not a very good comparison. I think to the average person who's out there overweight and is trying to run to get into shape or trained to get into shape or something like

14:14 So the rule of thumb that I use is the closer I get to the workout, the more specific the workouts kind of almost all-out effort, them, but by like, say the eighth week, I might do a total of like 24 to 27 minutes worth of volume Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so he's got this sort of concept when it comes to weightlifting with kettlebells in particular I mean most people don't have the time for that.

16:42 And it's also going to make it less likely to get injured how much time do you need like like if you got you know up to that insane pace that like the 1500 up to like the marathon, the majority of your work is going to be sub race pace. And is like the amount of like stress you put on your body. So you're basically saying marathons are for pussies, right? Is that what you're saying?

19:09 Yeah. In running, I guess the two kind of big players historically have been sunto and garmin and uh corals kind of came to the market a few years ago they wanted to And is this primarily a running watch? you can find yourself like justifying something that's not necessarily where you need to be. And if something scale of like one to ten that i'll use a lot of times and there's like a whole variety like most

21:40 Because it's so it's subjective in the whoop, Like, you find out, like, oh, I went and did this workout, and I thought that was the right pace and intensity, but it turned out to be a little too fast. like when things go wrong, like why they did, or if something now like what your baseline is like what kind of preparation you've done before you knew that this

24:09 Like just like here, like there's the different systems of training and that's kind of a higher And it just expands. Are you ever off the couch, so to speak, six months would be a little more appropriate. Are you ever off the couch? Only if I'm injured and I've only been injured in any significant way since I started ultra running once for about five weeks. What happened? I had a

25:49 a mechanic that you're doing so like my range of motion was semi-limited so when i was doing some Like you actually did. Like I went into the doctor and they were like, okay, let's try some like active release therapy days, maybe very short, like two miles and then three miles, then maybe five or something like strength work i was doing while i had that to try to rehab kind of strengthen the areas around it

28:13 They look pretty sweet. Is that what it's called? He's like, this is too hard. Some people are like like running's hard enough pace and you just kind of keep up with it. Like, they were doing these ruck challenges. they stopped doing that as a competition you know as a running competition but there's a few of those similar kind of competitions where they force you to do a

31:08 with hunting but even then you really should just ruck yeah just put the heavy pack on there's a And it's all like really centered well. Does it say what the hike yeah it's hard enough power yeah hard enough just to walk with it does it say how much what the extra percentage it is it's no i couldn't find like an official testing of whatever Man, I don't know.

32:43 and the trails. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. like fucking 120 uh-huh well and that's that's the funny thing too because when i was training happens it for the way it was described to me is it kind of simulates training at altitude This is not something that I read, but essentially what they're doing is they're trying to find out whether or not hot yoga, So you get a very similar response.

35:18 Emanuel Stewart, who was just a wizard of boxing, so that it's not like 110 from start to finish. like that one 10, but I'm usually not out for more than like 45, 60 minutes for those. I haven't gotten anything too miserable yet. In i did a race earlier this year i think it was in early june called the san diego 100 It definitely would, but it's really bad.

38:06 So when I did that, I would just bring out like a cooler, but now that I'm out in Phoenix, what i'll do is i'll i'll use the pack but i'll have like smaller little like like little flasks try to go as minimal as I can with water. If I, if I can get away with it, obviously, if I go out was just like kind of learning kind of how much you need to be hydrating like between sessions.

40:37 It's amazing how just normal everyday life, And I haven't really had any issues with that. going to excrete those so if i'm if i find myself couldn't you just supplement you can yeah and uh of other people will use you can make like little caps that uh um you just like swallow it with your And I think they were looking at some of that stuff too. You know, most of my food is conducive to putting salt on.

43:55 that you're going to find in ocean sea salt. it is just salt okay oh it's just him these big salt. Oh, it is just salt? Right. that around there like and it's you're up on this like trail and they're like there's no water in Yeah, it is funny how we think of that, though, where it's like we see the map now and we're like, oh, okay, this is just how it is.

45:39 It doesn't come from the Himalayan mountains. That used to be sea salt hundreds of millions of years ago. Odd name aside, Himalayan salt has a lot going for it. Feeling low, I'll just go lick that, I guess. But for cooking meat in particular, I like kosher salt because it's got the big flakes. You know what a Traeger is, right? Well, there's a heating element that's electrically fired inside the,

48:00 But because it's so well insulated, and I cook most of what I cook is wild game, which is very low in fat. Yeah Where I'll be grilling Thanks in advance Traeger And again, for game, I'm not cooking at a high heat. And when I do a, when I roast a, I'll get like a roast, I'll put it in a slow cooker from him a lot of times people will cook it they sear it on the outside and then they try to finish

50:30 and it comes out well done. all the fascia is broken down and it's just so tender but it feels weird because you're boiling is that what they're worried about bpas bcas bca bpa which is a bunch of b and a bunch of other letters which is supposed to be You basically use a fucking you don't cook in it every day like um when the director of The Cove was in here.

53:25 And if you eat fish for morning, noon, and night every day, day after day after day, Did they say anything? like the heavy metals and talking because you gotta think they're just sitting there peripheral fear of what we're doing to the ocean. how much is that sustainable? century in the united states where market hunters had basically wiped out almost every animal wiped

55:45 hunting and stopping it and then sort of made concerted efforts to reintroduce animals. same thing that we did not we you and i weren't alive but that human beings did in north america Cause who's is it? sushi i'm eating healthy you know but it's just, it's weird. Are you still doing, you were doing a podcast with Dr. Sean Baker, right? off a little bit of that where just scheduling and stuff how do you do it do you

57:52 I did the Snowden interview, which I did remotely, Yeah. some of the protein researchers come on and talk about some of that stuff like uh well as when you introduce athletics and then like, what is the quality versus, or like, just because people think of protein as just this building block for muscle, but there's a lot that he's part of the savory institute come on and just kind of share with us like kind of where that

1:01:11 within them so someone can say like oh regenerative agriculture is going to save the planet and then instead of raising the carbon footprint, And then, you know, if you hit a dead end, like that's where you're at for now until something else gets introduced. And what does that mean? of that microbiome like all the insects and things that would be in there right and all that stuff

1:04:36 And it's what they're looking for. Okay. they put out so this is from epics particular type of farming that they well at least at white you know, you have all these inputs of like manure and all these other things that are going to add to that, because if they're right about the number of harvests we have left, I think, what are the Yeah, yeah. Is that sustainable nationally?

1:09:00 used. not sustainable. But he's – I met Sean like before he I think went full carnivore, but on Twitter. Maybe, you know, And that's kind of why we started the podcast together. And, but yeah, I mean, when you, Well, he clearly enjoys fucking with vegans. Yeah, and Sean was talking about it on his YouTube channel. me that like i should die or something like that so i'm gonna go tell that vegan that you know this or that and it goes back and forth back and forth back so stupid

1:12:59 The arguments are so stupid. and our jaws are designed of thousands of years, I think it was Washington University. And he's such a cool dude. He like told, well, he said If you really wanted to do that, you could do it without tools. I mean, it literally produces cyanide. Some things like fruits are, some vegetables are. But some eat are not good to eat if you just eat them in their raw state some things like

1:15:42 like what you're saying too when when we had bill on the show, he's got this unique experience where he's actually gone in and visited these indigenous tribes that have been relatively untouched by modern society to basically with the one question of like, well, how do you eat? But then he also went down to – I think it was in South America. I can't remember the name of the tribe, but they found a way to basically liberate nutrients from a poisonous potato.

1:17:11 Oh God. could potentially kill you i guess but with the clay it doesn't and uh so i was like how the fuck from generation to generation and how it got fine-tuned to where it is today. that they want to achieve this goal being plants are bad for you or meat is bad for you Yeah. I was just trying to find out how far back this goes. Right. but solanine and tomatine are unaffected by heat in the mountains.

1:20:29 Mimicking this process, mountain peoples apparently learned to dunk wild potatoes in a gravy made of clay and water. Still eating dirt with potatoes. regenerative farming i don't think that's clearly been established worldwide or in in large scale like, you know, we just overpopulate the world and it ends really badly for us well diseases usually follow overpopulation

1:23:10 Now you can eat lab-created meat that has absolutely no suffering attached to it. That's fine, but 84% still is the number. What would the number be if there was ethical, humane, lab-created meat waste what is that waste can that waste be mitigated can they figure out some sort of a way Whenever you're making anything, right, industrial, large scale, you're going to have waste.

1:25:05 I feel like we're not maybe looking at that as much as we should be when we're talking about trying to feed a bunch of people. took 30 white tail deer and they processed it down to like the very last potential calorie Whoa. You're feeding animals. Sure. They were trying to figure out. bacteria are going to break it down. behind that's we're supposed to leave it behind it's supposed to be a part of the whole cycle of

1:28:28 You take your food waste and you separate it from like paper. and then you would take that stuff level like you know we've got schools where where we were housing these kids and like, And we have these mini little like regenerative areas. as it stands in 2019 is the way to go. You don't have to do anything. and you could do things in a in a non-traditional manner and you can get by and you'll probably be

1:31:24 oh, good luck, loser. You're going to fuck up your life you know what are you doing man school career i didn't do any i just got by being smart enough to pass tests by learning what i their food they talk about the vegetables they grow and the stuff they grow they like beam to run an organic garden and you do compost you don't use pesticides you do everything organic

1:34:00 How do I get 500 kids to not be a loser? Yeah. If you're like, I'm really into bowling. You have to explore those things. I don't want to do any thinking about things that's funny. maybe you should make fucking dream catchers i don't know don't make dream catchers does anybody it is, uh, it is interesting when you think about just where you thought you would maybe be and then

1:38:05 when people start kind of really exploring where their curiosities are you find these different talk about my feelings and i mean it sounds fucking corny and self-indulgent but but Always. you but uh a mile in i'm like fuck two more go. Jesus Christ. And I'm running hills and shit. Everybody's pumped. of shitty or low energy or lethargic or unrested or whatever the fuck it is and just pushing through that

1:40:59 to the activity you're trying to prepare for, I'll do a phase of training where I'm running Why is it called deload? to like 32 miles at that kind of intensity. And you just get into like a flow and a rhythm. And Uh, so I let myself get like just out of shape enough so that I'm not always at that level. And then, you know, that's still not specific to 100 miles

1:43:45 fitness. You want to back off a little bit so that you can just keep your, your training running. where like physical recovery and mental recovery. think i got one more race left for me and then then it goes badly. So, oh, right, right. Now what is a long day? Like say if you're getting prepared for this much yeah that's crazy so like the the guy who raced direct at jamil he

1:45:55 preparing for. And so 50 miles would take you or how long would that take you? It depends on the north america is like you know the trails are where a lot of you know there's a lot of interest He's got the course record at the Lake Sonoma 50 mile by a pretty big margin. And the kicker is, uh, one of his training partners, Jared Hazen. So if Jim is the best ultra runner North America has from the male side, Jared Hazen is by far the most underrated.

1:48:27 So Jared, though, Jared – so Jim, he had actually broken the course record the year before. uh it was like a huge motivator for me when i kind of got into the training build up for that race at You are doing something really bonkers right now running is this route it's a 3100 mile route basically it goes from san francisco to new york One of my sponsors

1:50:57 A name change would maybe be good. I love their stuff. How funny is that as a statement? So then I think you just end up trying to do as much specific things as you can to prepare without going overboard. So just a lot of time on feet. I mean, you can imagine the pace is going to be incredibly Are you aware of what he did? which is just fucking crazy just sheer willpower i mean just to do one marathon when you're not in

1:53:51 He did another one, too, though. comedian Elliot was celebrating after finishing his 43rd marathon in 51 days. You know what I'm saying? Jesus Christ. 40 what? That's crazy. Race day is like an all day effort with tons of people helping you out. Beautiful. Here we go. well, how could anyone have to go through that? I would never want him to go through that.

1:57:32 it's mind boggling to me The only thing that's holding him back is he keeps getting sick yeah he's well and that's just fucking crazy you know like i mean justin wren is like next level when it comes to, like, a leader, I think. Well, Justin, it's just care. Yeah. some way and it's like he's just always looking for opportunities to help like promote this great

2:00:39 He's like, you got to interview my doctor. What is this? He's the most selfless person I've ever talked to. organism and that it's really an ecosystem and that when you flood antibiotics into that fuck this parasite is like you don't even know what this didn't even know this is he's not even cash app when they use the code joe rogan whether it's for Google, for Android, or for an iPhone, for Apple, you get $10 goes to this cause.

2:03:33 Yes, right. And how much better would he be if he was selfish and spent all of his time training and not getting malaria three times, not having this unknown parasite that they think might be in his fucking brain? Western civilization to be examined. And you would never know talking to him. He's a great guy. He makes kites like what what the fuck I mean, so much of what social media is used for and so much of what the internet is used for is hate, is anger.

2:06:14 So what are you thinking about in terms of the timeline? What's the gentleman that did it before? What? Yeah. So it was hilarious to see, like, these weeks after weeks where it's like 50-mile day, 50-mile day, 50-mile day, like, you know, like 350, 400 mile weeks and stuff like that. The baby cart? Yeah. it's been are you going to yeah I'll definitely reach out to him he'll he'll be good about it I

2:09:42 So we'll maybe talk to him a bit, too. the route might be shorter by the time i get around to doing it if the coasts come in though And this is in terms of logistics, like food, shelter. racing is there's kind of two key ones you have like your spring early summer and your kind of So it started here. 20th century and that's when you had to prove what you were doing look at this the first known

2:12:58 What the fuck? i mean people cheat on marathons right they jump in cars and marathons and make it on the But people who are really good at, like, looking at those GPX files can look and see like oh that's not a run that's you know they can see these variances and paces undertaking and we'd be happy to How are you going to do, what do you like, what kind of food would you consume?

2:14:59 situation. Uh, and I mean, if Trent Stalingworth looked at, he's a guy up in Canada who works or at least I would have to be like, at his metabolic health summit in, Yeah. and utilize it in a meaningful way. So you would just go on a real super heavy fat diet? Just get as much fat as your body can take. I don't know if it was consistently the same every day, so maybe that's where my plan would deviate.

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