Joe Rogan Experience #1408 — Ed Calderon Transcript

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0:00 Welcome back, Ed. they build their roadblocks on the state and local roads. I mean, if anything, I would probably avoid traveling through those areas. Unless you have a 4x4 truck'll let you go on your way. They don't mind getting shot up. I recently saw a case of an apparent abduction in Tamaulipas. it's because he did something or he's involved in something.

2:50 It's not always the case, but it's pretty, yeah. that so uh trump was saying that they were going to designate them as terrorist groups and that As soon as the designation threat by the U.S. came down, Yeah. which had already kind of been done before, Amnesty for the cartels was basically kind of the main theme of that. And it was a kind of a collaboration between the U.S. and the Mexican government.

7:20 It would open up the possibility for military – direct military action against – Well, it's – right now it's a myriad of things it's not under the mattress people talk about as designating them as a terrorist and send drones down there things And they also, examples of the New Generation cartel from Guadalajara giving out Christmas gifts or groceries to the poor,

10:16 I think the cartels and narco-terrorism is a thing in and of itself. Yeah. So what's going on with the Mormons now is are they moving out of there now? Help us out. dangerous yeah it only makes sense. And the Linea Cartel, which has historically been in control of Ciudad Juarez. mineable uh mineable deposits of lithium on the planet right now are a few hours away from where that massacre took place.

13:23 Yeah. right so it's it's it's it's an interesting area there's a lot of things happening there You've talked about before in some of your podcasts, and I listen to them a lot. It is definitely part of the solution, legalizing some drugs. Basically, you know, one, you have to take care, the illegal pot grows that are up here, You have a border there, but the problem has two root causes, right?

16:50 Yeah. Basically, supposedly, the official story from the Mexican government is that they send a special police unit to capture him, right? You can see it, and you can see the surprise and really how the agents are kind of uncomfortable or fearful of what they just stumbled in on. They grabbed them. Yeah, it's on my feed. So all these guys that we're seeing here, they're dressed in civilian clothes with the vest.

20:00 The Seattle Cartel was basically surrounding some of their communities and holding their family members hostage. Yeah. So if you want to move in, This is a breakout state prison. It's not worth it. That's not usually what some people in some of these communities think, you know, because the cartels are – those are the guys in charge. And, you know, lots of anybody that's anybody in Sinaloa has some sort of relationship to the cartels because they're part of culture there.

23:05 They have a... And how they move around, Some of them have CCTV video inside, air conditioning, alarms. Yeah, I mean, the opulence is amazing. Is this going to grow? Yeah. discussed nearly enough and it it seems like if it keeps getting stronger like what we saw with and the state police blocking their way to get in there Now, we discussed this on the last podcast, but let's give people a little just a recap of this just so people can understand your position.

27:41 But the official start was when Felipe Calderon came into office and said, you know what? Gloves off. We're going to go after the organized crime, right? the competition that's what you would gather from making it look like progress yeah and and also But you see how some of these people become celebrities. whatever group or operation He was recognized by the U.S. government as being a player for the good guys,

30:51 It's just, you know, I went to Chichen Itza, I think, in 2000-ish, 2002, maybe, 2003, somewhere around that time. China has a lot of interest in Mexico. It was all about Chinese ore mining, iron ore mining, illegal Chinese ore mining. Now you see things like the stuff that's going on in Sonora, and there's a lot of lithium there. guy from texas wanting to drive your truck down there, do a little hunting.

33:21 Yeah, I mean, all throughout Mexico. not that free. and your movements are in the middle of our route. It was basically an armed enforcing group that the Sinaloa Cartel made to go after their main rivals, the Zetas, but we're also going to move drugs through here, right? Hearts and Minds, they go into the communities, camps where they recruit people they take them there and they're being trained in guerrilla

36:41 So it could turn political at some point, right? Yeah. Right. People that are from down there will be aware of this. So they're making fake fentanyl-laced pills that are being put into the U.S. and fentanyl-laced See, and the problem with the idea of legalization is that if you try to be the person who says, It's one of those things that's so counterintuitive that most people are going to go, you're crazy.

39:36 Realistically, thinking about all the effort and all the blood, I'm like, it's just pot. setting up laboratories in Mexico. A terrorist designation. You know, people will say, but just don't go down to Mexico. I think in my lifetime there's going to be some sort of armed intervention So you can go down there and negotiate with this government. and the military gets compromised.

42:27 i um i mean i wonder where it all goes because it is obviously growing very fast it's obviously you realize that realistically there's kind of no border when it comes to this problem. Oh, yeah. Going off – going on halfway across the world. the the fact that we have a lot of lithium in sonora is going to be I'd say five years maybe. Abrazos, no balazos.

45:22 That's what they say. at the base so it's nothing nothing's nothing's nothing's being Well, I imagine that if it seems overwhelming and it seems helpless and it seems like the cartels are just taking over and they're making a shitload of money and you're not making any money. christmas was brought brought to you by the cartels you know um they they are the good guys

47:27 Well, when you put the Marines on the border, a few of them got picked up on smuggling people And he said he felt betrayed. That is fucking crazy. My kid was born in the U.S. and parented her mom's American, right? And that's when I knew there's America and there's California America. Get at it. Some lady got shot. Oh, my God. There's a chaotic freedom to Mexico, which I get.

51:16 Yeah, yeah. Hereditary. Yep. What kind of rights do you have with guns versus the United States Second Amendment? And just plainly, the sale of firearms in all of Mexico is just relegated to a single gun store in Mexico City. The only people that respect those laws are law-abiding citizens. That's an old-ass gun. in a house somewhere down there. Apparently there's one out there somewhere on on a vehicle of some sort oh jesus

55:15 or I don't remember what kind of bullshit argument that was. Yeah. you would want to not worry about a lot of cartels, was some sort of official support from the U.S. government to the Sinaloa cartel as far is kind of try to manage it or move it in certain directions well there's there's there's all like a lot of these people got book deals, and a lot of these people are talking.

58:42 Some pretty good accurate parts. Oh, there is? Conrado Sol with El Chapo the character Yeah. You see fictionalized things of how some of these powerful cartel groups kind of originated themselves in fiction. it's so strange El Chapo's picture I mean, El Chapo has achieved legendary status. It's the head camera thing, Is it because of the language? They have it, recording it, and it gets sent back to the command post.

1:02:51 So he had that on. There he is. that Tocha Shrine, and the cartel, That's his? A lot of them. towards him Okay? Wow. venerated by them or Scarface in some of these When they finally caught up to him, he had the whole series on DVDs at his safe house, which is pretty – he humanized them a little bit. I don't know. What's her name again? If I had to guess, I would say yes.

1:07:18 And I have people, friends of mine that live in Venezuela under that regime. She goes there and talks to people. Why does Instagram take those down? Yeah, or showing a picture of cartels. Yeah. I mean, look, I can understand them saying, people like there's a guy crispy who was a veteran you know he also he got a lot all of a sudden all that flag your video and say this is hurtful or this is they don't even look into it they just

1:11:06 But you've got to let people do that. there's always people with a certain affinity to when they see a gun in a post that they were making down there. Yeah. Make anything great again. It's been a trip. fucked up about it right it's like there's people that came over here illegally 20 30 years ago And they do provide, It's a stupid view. let's just forget about the past these people are here they're here and they're a part of our

1:14:58 It's a difficult process. It's hard for Canadians, man. What don't you like? I like the opportunities this country provides. and they forgot completely what Mexico is and they're completely bad. What? but that's people that's that's a good that's a good example of people that are not there yeah Obviously, a lot of those guys were gang members. One of them was next to a school that had to be closed down.

1:18:31 hippie American guys come Having that point of view online, because I started posting some of this stuff online for people, this is what's happening. That's – and I'm like – And I see kids up here on their tablet. All that's gone. Like I got to see the weird California compliant rifles come to the range and you have to push a button to release the magazine.

1:21:26 and here's the other thing about you and i'm waiting for this to happen but it's just not Yes, that is one issue. A notable one. on both sides, I'm just trying to figure things. I didn't know anything about that. Yeah. Yeah. old school mentality i mean that's what they had to deal with in world war ii and vietnam and yeah yeah but you've got i mean when it comes to that but mental health down in mexico there's like

1:24:30 it's not in america no no yeah in america it's such a huge part of the culture that people want Things were pretty lax when I got in. And they would come back, apparently fix some of them. Yeah. It was a Life article in the 50s. that would come up in the hillside where she would take her own. I think it's in the 50s. Enforcement is hard in a country like Mexico,

1:27:54 So sometimes you would get caught with a certain quantity of something, Later on, I And they use them in rituals and all sorts of weird rituals down there as a doorway type element. Yeah. But it's part of the death cult down there. I'm used to it. So it's all, I'm ingrained. And all of them, you know, there's certain places I've been called, But if you want to tell me that Montana is the same as Florida, you're out of your fucking mind.

1:31:12 then, You know, the easier things get, Hard men produce soft times. First off, I'm from Mexico. I come from a Mexican education system. It's a third world country. So please take everything I say with that in mind. Right. And then I go into whatever I'm going to You said something. Pretty poor, right? I go down to Rosarito all the time with my family.

1:33:31 i believe you yeah i mean i do people are so fucking dumb i do believe you yeah common section You're showing real the people that reached out to me to talk about it were part of the family. Well, there's not a lot of mainstream news that's dedicated to this crisis, dedicated to what's going on. There's a giant problem right next door. Especially La Jolla.

1:36:01 Yeah. to a Tijuana estuary. I admire people that find solutions to problems. Basically, powdered titanium burns at a very high rate when you start it. Pyrite. you start and you can burn chains open and stuff like that with them. Bonsai? I don't know. I mean, once everybody got in. Yeah, that would be chaotic of course how long though 10 years i don't know how long i mean once

1:38:50 We were all going to become one nation. Yes, and lithium. and lithium maybe that's gonna the FARC that went Well, they were facing just a few criminal groups, large ones, Also, Mexico is a pretty big country. look at all that coke i imagine i imagine government Federal charges for corruption because they are on the border and have a lot of money on the border.

1:41:16 Yeah, Made in America. Let's go. What's it called? So it's sophisticated. And they're constantly evolving in how they work. Yeah. So that's how they evolved. And he asked him directly, like, what do you think about the border wall and the immigration policies of this current administration? It's real clear. how you're trying to get up here, And that's what we do.

1:45:55 coming in through Mexico trying to make their way up. come into the U.S., claim asylum, There's a lot of these immigrant waiting man Is the United States going to become like Mexico? There's a lot of Chinese influences in industry in Mexico. American companies in Mexico are pretty good companies, Well, especially with what you're talking about with lithium.

1:48:34 Yeah. opportunities and and making mexico a better place yeah we need to make some make mexico then we'd have, you know, Yeah. Yeah. They hire illegals. I got lucky my grandparents came here. through a bunch of questioning look at my background i got a lot of questions for what i used to do things like open secrets. You can smell, you know, the tortillas.

1:53:27 Yes. The tripe. They've never had menudo. How does that work? Yeah. Raw? We really appreciate you. What they're doing is rude. Oh. Pfft. Uggggh.