Joe Rogan Experience #1415 — Bari Weiss Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one. You are, right? There's a difference. Maybe there's a placebo effect to that. And I think this is, in my life, this is the first time that I've ever really experienced this at this level. is doing is that they're limiting the spectrum of what's allowed to say so so so narrowly that But at the end of the day, I want everybody to be happy.

3:26 along in larger groups well a lot of it is a lack of communication a lot of it is uh you know greed denial of the biological differences between males and females like i just and we're this this is Those are two beliefs that many people I know hold. Sure. You can believe in biological difference and believe that people should be respected and that, you know, if someone wants to change their gender and that life becomes much more, you know, Sharon's gender is real and also sex differences are real.

6:34 someone i think that one thing that's overlooked in this when we talk about cancel culture right a begging bowl on Patreon or Venmo or whatever to get support after they've, you know, made a bad wouldn't even mention them here i mean they're so vile they're just they're disgusting and yet i've There's still hope for you, Joe. It's a lengthy thing. That was when I first found out about Judaism.

9:10 and she was like, crack that whip. And they're like, yeah. Okay, but is it a's a different god no it's the same god jesus was a Catholic school was so brutal and so horrible. There was a bed of nails? Like, I thought my parents were getting split up when I was little, when I was five years old. So I was really enthusiastic about God and made me legitimately start questioning everything in life yeah Wow. Yeah. So you're raising your daughters with secular?

12:13 Treat people as if they're you. You'll live a better life. Like if you say, I know there is a God, you're not being honest because you've – unless you know something that I don't, unless you've died and experienced it. You're talking about thousands of years of trying to decipher experiences and things that are translated from one language to another, from different phonetic languages. And it just, it's very strange to try

13:58 I think you've had Jonathan Haidt on the show and his book, The Righteous Mind, is brilliant about this, that we were evolved to be religious creatures in a certain way. But it's like, what do we do, right? we're comfortable like hey you need help you know you need me to help dig you out of the snow We'll be able to get through the hardships if we operate together with similar values.

16:03 Because of opioids, because people are out Well put. what you said about people enjoying when people can speak their mind when people see But the public was like 99%. Yeah. Maybe they have to fucking put tinfoil over the windows and bolt the door shut and make sure that they can talk honestly. Yes. what would it look like if all the journalists at The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal were banned from being on Twitter?

19:04 because I know if I do that topic, like I know what awaits me. I mean, that's what you do. Yes. clearly defined subjects. power. Because, like, why would you choose to, you know, be in that arena if this is what it means? It wound up going to court and she wound up losing. fucking lunatic i mean if you follow her in the news now, like assaulting people and all sorts of other stuff,

22:57 Now you've got one because this is not just about discrimination against a position by our society that you have to look at them in a very specific way and if you deviate at like, I'm really not just saying this, Like, 80% of them was from your podcast. I don't really know if I agree with him on most of his things. where you cut off their dicks to make it look different okay you're cutting skin off of their

25:47 It's not simple. Wash your dick. I've seen the arguments for and against, like, that it prevents STDs. Okay. Whatever. When you say, oh, circumcision, like, oh, what a wonderful ritual. family members who have had horrible illnesses or injuries from circumcision. Yeah. He's out of the University of Texas, University of Houston. a law to end the religious,

29:38 it's an interesting one. It's a very unusual one, because it's a very rare time where you're talking about things that don't make sense about the fight. Like, this is just what people do. They look for conspiracies in everything, Or you want to go Jews? Love his energy. And it's so refreshing. which I completely agree. He's great. And one of the things that his page. Like, who is this? Super rational. He's great.

31:51 for automation he's like hey this is your fucking jobs are going away your jobs are going away yeah He's like, yeah. You have more faith in the Democratic Party than I do. I think they're going to fuck up and put Elizabeth Warren in. That's hard for people to deviate from. You look at unemployment. that grab the pussy stuff and all that all the craziness yeah the fact that he was able to

34:37 It's going to be hard. I just think he's the opposite of what people want right now. That said, you can't find very many with Bernie. I liked him a lot. I think she's awesome. Well, I think she first of all, is someone who's served twice overseas been deployed twice, I believe her. And until things start really popping where I have to pay attention to her, I'm just like,

38:06 I don't know if they'd ever work out together. She's not going to. You found it strange that Hillary Clinton said that? Let's see those transcripts. And it was like, it was very strange. staff to collect honey packets. I mean, his foreign policy stuff But also, I mean, the moment that I gave up on Elizabeth Warren's political judgment is But it would be more on the table if she had never taken the DNA test.

41:24 it's like, you know, it's kind of a cool ethnicity, but it's not that look if you lie about being dutch okay it's like you know it's Empire of the Summer Moon. were just a ferocious people. All they ate was meat. Large stables of horses Do you see the woman out there Cynthia Ann Parker was, she was abducted by the Comanches when she was nine years old.

43:59 That's her right there. what a strange thing that these people lived in this stone age but fantastic way with all these They were raiding each other constantly, abducting murdering i mean there was this there's no like this idea of native you know oh i'm i grew up native american the fuck you did the fuck you did and the more books i read with it so and this one is the this one's the best because it's literally his words so you get

46:57 to try to find a good representative to come in and talk about their grandparents It's implied. I totally get that. And also the thing about Cynthia Ann Parker, right? Yes. Everything was, there was magic. when they eventually abducted her back. 2,000th Native American. I don't see it. Well, the CNN moment was very interesting, right? Jamie, you need to pull.

50:28 I think it was a ploy. Like, ideally, Right. don't know this is one thing where i can give them both a generous read i think it's very possible question but i also think that you know i i have those conversations every day can a woman be That's why Pete Buttigieg has no chance. is not he's not a mayor somewhere or he's ignoring his constituents. He's not ignoring his city.

52:58 Oh, it's so good. Someone called someone a feckless cunt. Who the's just ridiculous who called someone called um someone a feckless I'm not good with language sometimes. win for president well hillary won the popular vote right so a woman can win yes they can win I've thought this through very carefully. A woman can't win. No, let's not do this now.

55:28 Oh, is Bernie Jewish? Just the name, Bernie. We touched it a couple times. And I think in that sense, Bernie's Jewishness will be important because I think he'll use That plays into a lot of stereotypes. know but again i also think trump is gonna win yeah let's let's talk about your book okay unless We're good. goddamn boring and so hard to follow when someone calls you a liar and though i'm not a liar like

59:11 You know that guy really does fucking drive a Prius, apparently? special you know that that show is special and it's like jeff garland on it and everything it's doesn't it seem greasy yeah for sure that's definitely a move That's definitely a move. Yeah. Someone told him to do. We're just talking about Harvey Weinstein's Walker. That's. But he's not Greek

1:01:15 Like Think that he was murdered If you had All your chips on the table like barry you gotta go all in Why don't you tell me now? Well, that's the part that's known. We know that Bill Clinton was on his plane. Come on. Yes. Oh, my God. The thing is, it was like... If he posed for it? Like, what? Did Clinton do that for fun? The thing is, is it was like.

1:03:52 But it was completely. No, meaning. Yeah. when, But it's also like, I'm sure, but i think it's talk about i could make the argument that yeah you're part of this crazy ridiculous retrograde It might be illegal for Prince Harry to move to Canada. if a Royal from England moved into Canada, know how to say anything but i think it's gillane like her whole thing like that whole photo op at the In-N-Out, reading that CIA, I mean.

1:07:13 She's at a base in Antarctica right now, fishing for penguins. duty or something i know but the problem is right like you can see the world moving on as a kind of You know? insane news cycle that we're operating under now And so he told me right away he knew the guy was an actor. He said when he met him, he had a young girl that he was sitting uh that was sitting on his lap

1:10:00 That's a very good question. right so he thinks that there are people that provide services and i'm definitely uh paraphrasing We're in the middle of nowhere. Do you remember this? He's so wonderful. They didn't look into it. Well, yeah. That film is fucking hilarious. Of course. They're so good. He played like a funny, there was like a Jewish, like a self-defense Mossad instructor that

1:13:13 No, he was that same billionaire character and he was trying to get him to admit to stuff. Yeah. Oh, my God. We're like really transitioning. was an amazing place to grow up. I became a bat mitzvah in 1997. And it happened at Tree of Life. he goes to different synagogues, he, you know, pays membership dues at various ones, he likes But I ended up putting that trip off, doing that story later and just spending the week to see what happened, what happens to a community when something like this goes down.

1:16:39 had it ever before. And all of the kind of mythology about what America could be, the idea that it's a shining Like something that those people should be embarrassed about, not something that said anything about me. We're obsessed with politics. We were always talking about politics and we're always talking about like Jews, right? before Pittsburgh, which is, it happened, I think it was April 2017, you'll correct me,

1:19:36 Like the Jew is not going to take my job. That is a deeply, deeply ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, right? It's the idea of, as the Jew as having proximity to power, not being in power, but being able to sort of be anti-Semitism is kind of the linchpin of white supremacy, because the Jew appears to be white, Well, it doesn't make any sense because this entire country is based on immigrants.

1:23:06 seems to be this there there's a lot of these white supremacists that they they they lean in That doesn't, I don't understand that one because when people look different from you, I don't understand anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is not just a normal bigotry. Yes. Period. It's never going away. It's like, think about it like an intellectual disease that's

1:25:53 The bubonic plague came because of rats to the European continent that were brought on ships literally like throw the Jews down the well. And it led to, you know, massive pogroms, The best thing that we can do is build healthy cultures that protect certain virtues, incredibly radical, which is pathetic that it was, but he says, you know, Jews in America are not

1:28:52 You don't think that it's possible that we can evolve past where we're at now? nuts. very obviously sort of manufactured way. He's there. There were two until recently, and of course are very unusual in that they are a culture, a race, and a religion. And that's what's so confusing about us. enough difference that you could categorize it in a different way but the the difference right

1:32:13 Well, there's a reason for that. have something to do with it that this established community in when the that Walmart yet when it comes to the jews people are like well you know they wear their funny hats well In that case, yes, but not in the case of what's been going on in Brooklyn. So you have just a case of someone who any reasonable person sees as evil,

1:35:46 of the people like the guy in the muncie case that we're going to talk about the machete guy It was celebrating the idea of welcoming the stranger, which is a fundamental Jewish value. you know, that it's a young black man attacking a Hasidic guy walking down the street and who's visibly Jewish. It's much harder to talk about when someone is someone who we talk about as being

1:38:18 But there's this myth that the Jewish communities of Brooklyn are interlopers. They've been there And people don't even realize it. just joke around about my jewish lawyer yeah you know i mean it's it's like a standard thing you think doctors and how many successful and educated people are jewish and that's one of the things you It's like the disease is sort of like unleashed.

1:40:10 Right. that informed this recent attack in Jersey City. I don't know if you followed that one. There were diary entries and Google searches. that had the range of five football fields that they wanted to deploy i mean and everyone was all of these horrible things. This is like creeping in everywhere. I had a friend on the Lower East Side What I'm saying is that there's this kind of inchoate hate

1:43:12 when you think about these social media sites um gab was one where this guy who shot up the Tree of Life was a member of. And is this, like, I'm not a, I'm clearly not a proponent of censorship, but do people, do you think they get radicalized in these, when you get to a forum where there's no restrictions whatsoever on language or ideology or behavior?

1:44:06 that there's a catch-22 to it? I think that the narrower it shrinks, like we're talking about normal ideas being closeted, Do you know what I mean? You don't have to go down the line. How do you deal with that? I mean, he was like. I certainly don't want radicalized people to. Yeah, I mean, it's all insane. The question is, where does that line get drawn?

1:47:49 And she got kicked off for life. people self radicalize. it should be absolutely possible for hardworking people to make it to America you don't now you just have to go to stormfront or wherever you know whatever website you can They believe in an idea, an awful idea, so much so that they're willing to kill people for that idea. hurt people hurt people right so they find this category of people, this group of people, whether it's online or whether they actually have to go to a KKK meeting.

1:51:33 In the beginning, I thought the alt-right was like young Republicans that were a little different. But the whole thing that Milo has revealed, right, is like it was an ironic posture that revealed – like if you're joking about, you know, fags and kikes, you're still saying the thing. group of people that follow him and talk to him and he thinks that there's some merit to his idea so he finds some sort of justification for having these provocative conversations in this stance

1:52:59 Who even says they're alt-right? I mean, you saw it when, here's a great example. and maybe I'm hearing something you're not She's just as American as me or Donald Trump or you. because you're jewish or you're not fully french because you're Jewish. Like the idea of provisional belonging is something that I'm extremely sensitive to. people who really are not just like normal conservatives.

1:56:21 Marianne Anne Perrine, a a french politician lawyer serving as a president tucker carlson's guests who have links to white nationalism. No, there was something more recently. who softened their stance once they realized the power of his presidency, because essentially this country is been gleefully making war on what i think of as very very important cultural norms

2:00:15 Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Crazy. You know, he has a tribe. But it's not. There's positive aspects of people supporting each other. That club, that tribe, rather, it's not a lot of work though. you're Mormon. that's the look. a Jew in my life. And he gets arrested during the Arab Spring because he starts learning Hebrew Oh, yeah. You don't want to go looking online for my name in some of these forums.

2:05:09 guards at every synagogue and Jewish function that I go to now. It's like going through TSA to go to, I think that's a good question. talked about that comes on the far right expresses itself one way and there's also anti-semitism that we are these fake white people, right? people at the very bottom. Well, the intersectional worldview comes around and reverses that and says,

2:08:44 And the anti The far left, because of support for Israel, they believe that Israel is dominating Palestine descent. They are non-white people. They are Arabs. They are Arab Jews. And yet you have the The Jewish, should I keep going? discount God, whatever. The fact is, is that the Jews are a people that were birthed sort of in established. And you have Jews in Poland and know, Poland and all of these other places

2:12:45 is this idea of us having our own state in theory, right? It's the same, the analogy I like to make is if we're a couple and we want without protection. We know what that looks like. That looks like the story of the Yazidis. So he's on the left. against Israel, which is an anti-Zionist movement. fuck up like to exist when it does exist correct but so I could see how you could say...

2:17:30 Yes. you do that because that's important to distinguish right yes i i believe that because i'm a human There's not a single Jew left there. right? These are like kleptocratic authoritarian regimes that hate women, that hate gay people. you have rockets capable of reaching Tel Aviv I mean, I think one of the places your own? Or is the national, or have we told ourselves, and I include myself in this, a lie

2:21:55 Hezbollah's an Iranian proxy, yeah. I mean, they're, they're not like these are, these are terrorist groups. you know, the number of people I know And I would say pull out of some of these Jewish settlements that are like, you know, in refugee camps, and by official Lebanese law are barred from being lawyers, discrimination. It's weird. It doesn't parallel with any other sort of discrimination.

2:26:18 it's unbelievable the extent to which it's it's become accepted like That it just like goes away? our government, just like any other normal country. But it's like Israel's not treated about think about if there was a movement in the world that suggested that you know the japanese And honestly, like, yeah, I think if Pittsburgh hadn't happened, I wouldn't have written this first.

2:29:45 that antisemitism is rising in America says nothing about Jews. It says everything about And one of the reasons that I'm alarmed by, I completely understand the populist moment, If it was the same fear. combine them together striking grappling self-defense techniques i'm gonna do it you're I hate it. Okay. They can't go out vigilante style and act like superheroes and beat people up. It would go away.

2:33:09 What do you think? There's also an excellent audio book that I was listening to.