Joe Rogan Experience #142 — Graham Hancock, Duncan Trussell Transcript

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0:00 Start recording. Okay. That should be it. of history more than anybody ever. It's from this book, Fingerprints of the Gods. And Fingerprints happened kind of by a series of accidents i i never i never planned out anything except I kind of knew when I was young that I had one gift, I kind of drifted towards writing, current affairs, journalism. And it was while following journalistic stories, my last journalistic role was as the East African correspondent for The

3:01 It had obelisks. It a palace supposedly of the queen of sheba Even the former emperors were never allowed And I discovered that actually, They call themselves the Beta Israel. So I started to get interesting. which are supposed to represent the tablets of stone inside the Ark of the Covenant. listen to academics all the time. Professor X and Dr. Y may be very, very impressive people with

6:05 You were hooked. I was impressed by the They say, in brief, that the Queen of Sheba, he wanted to visit his famous father in Jerusalem. He traveled north, went to Jerusalem, spent a year And wasn't the speculation about the Ark of the Covenant Sinai the Exodus there there's a tremendous role for the Ark of the Covenant and they follow it so it's the the israelites use it in it there's a accounts of it flying into the air

9:52 That's what's actually described in the Bible. uh i did get into some speculation on this it it seems obvious to me that that at one level the and builds the Ark of the Covenant in the Sinai. And for people who don't understand what you're talking about here, An entire civilization. Egypt, we then start to find that Egypt itself looks back to an older time. The ancient Egyptians

12:56 but the history of Egypt goes back way, way further than people think it does. Yeah, I would put the figure right about 10,500 B.C. for the end of it. about ancient Egypt. and we know that 5,000 years ago, 4,500 years ago, with the astronomy of the Giza Plateau. You can literally wind back the ancient skies and see them. So it's a cyclical process.

16:41 And doesn't John Anthony West go even deeper? You're absolutely right. And again, this is the area where the Egyptologists, Why won't they budge? by the beginning of the 20th century a timeline had, really by the beginning of the 20th century, a timeline had been worked But also, they themselves, and you say that that's wind and sand, I mean, the Sphinx is not alone.

19:21 and they've got muddled up in the academics' minds. who's an Egyptologist at the Oriental Institute in Chicago, How could there just be this one unique thing, is 12 and a half thousand years old or maybe older uh this amazing monument Buried. When the Greeks arrived in Egypt, what happened was the Egyptians colonized the Greek mind. They wanted to destroy everything.

22:32 to live did these guys figure out where they thousands of years ago figured how to build these That could have been imitators. them perfect, fully formed at the beginning, and spots all over, you know, you'll go drive by that giant crater in Nevada. Without a single hiccup. we're going to destroy the individuals associated with this idea. We will attack the man and the

25:51 The seas are wild. I love it. current, which is literally going to rip your mask But not enough time was spent on the monument to reach that decision. that that monument could have been built by nature. with somebody above it holding a video camera. Is that it? Wow. beneath the sea tells us that it was made at least 13 000 years ago because that's the last time

28:57 You look at that and you're like, that's not a natural phenomenon. that happened, then you would expect to see the very large amount of rubble which was created by leave a nice looking site and that's what that's. And that's what is there. So it's little If we leave, it's going to be completely gone. Forgotten. It will be which is 2 to 3 miles deep

31:45 Glad to hear it. and it's in motion. Consider what's They found a guy who was... They found an arrow embedded in his body, and it looked like he'd been ambushed and some horrible cataclysmic event. to the last common ancestor with the chimpanzee, which is about 6 million years ago. So we know that they're passing down cultural information, didn't look quite like us, and their brains were not quite like ours. But by 195,000 years ago,

35:41 All of this symbolic behavior seemed to just switch on kind of overnight technological civilizations coexisting with hunter down and went back into the ocean and the psychedelic drugs in our society, and people get very upset irrationally about this whole issue. persuaded to hand over the keys of our consciousness to the state, the most precious, the most intimate,

39:48 It's like the same thing. to make us all develop a kind of aversion, our mistakes yes you know we already have laws in our society for punishing bad behavior if somebody It's like so clear. Why is it such a hard time? and there was only four of us it's nice to reduce it You can't smoke pot. It's led to the creation of huge armed bureaucracies who have the right to break into our homes,

42:44 consumption of this that it's not true They haven't reduced the consumption of any drugs. The consumption of I'm 61 now. When you were a writer, why did you smoke so much as a writer? What's more harmful, the harm the drug is doing or being sent to prison? It seems to me pretty obvious that being sent to prison is a much more harmful thing that's being done.

45:14 that it's often Republicans who are the ones who are most anti-drugs. I feel drugs is a Republican more dangerous than anything else because they don't even have a figurehead they just continue I would say that in our society today, long time and it happens that the current victims are drug users. And, you know, the word, it's interesting that language itself

47:29 MDMA with post-traumatic stress disorder, graces there's something that nation nature just gave us for free a kind of grace to to allow us to but it sounded too unscientific. that theory that human beings may have actually evolved from the lower primates it's all Terence McKenna lectures and sometimes we play Terence McKenna Professor David Lewis Williams of the University of Witwatersrand in South Africa. And he has

50:41 The caves are covered in all of these. So it's interesting that work done in the 1960s with, for example, Mescaline, of consciousness. I think that's a really important distinction. The mainstream model of consciousness the TV signal is still there. And you get into all kinds of possibilities from that. i think we and that's how all ancient spiritual traditions see it

54:01 and when I'm performing doing stand-up comedy in the way of creativity because you're always worrying about yourself. but your consciousness is not limited to this realm and just let it flow, the better it gets. Close the laptop, by the way. Thank you for recommending that. But it's all about, it's no-nonsense. You show up. of the gods or underworld the book about our diving adventures and you'll find that there's

57:49 take any psychedelics from the age of 24 until let's see 2003 when i was 53 years old and the Which is why when you were writing Underworld, And ayahuasca, with thousands of years of indigenous use in the Amazon, And the hard work with ayahuasca So ayahuasca has helped me to begin on that path. I do not claim to have reached any form of perfection.

1:00:16 taken it as far as i personally could after santa and i had done six years of scuba diving And I wanted to look for a change of direction characters their dilemmas the time travel aspect of the story we just frantically writing it all if you do something like that, you have to I always think of any work that I put out, And that feeling of getting really hooked into a book

1:02:44 Definitely. Do you think that's why entertaining and gripping definitely there's this huge effect on you think about what would happen if it was legally available exactly people They were journeyers. And they were coming back and giving a detailed report about what they encountered there. But that hasn't really been proven. But its presence in the body is not in dispute.

1:05:48 And what people don't realize is that in reptiles, in certain reptiles, it actually has a retina and a lens. I would still say the most likely candidate for the generation of DMT. and by demonizing them and creating this atmosphere of fear and hatred around them, suspicion right now. There's all this horrible stuff going on. And we are literally on the edge

1:07:58 the only way is to do it the way we're doing it. But the fact is that our existing economic model of the mass amounts of forest that they're chopping down it's bizarre that's why that's We don't need to destroy the Amazon. Because ayahuasca is being drunk all around the world now. The Shibobo? They do, yes, yes. it very openly and honestly and to do interviews

1:11:13 Let's explain to people what it does for noobs, for people who are not aware of what ayahuasca is. Absolutely. therefore um find a uh find a space that can be protected. Find somebody who knows what they're doing, who can sit with you and who can oversee this. shamanism relevant to the urban and industrial context of But there are also some very good people.

1:14:34 like you have a purpose? And that's why I decided to write Supernatural. I feel obligated, I feel and I feel a responsibility, which is which is to, is to share with others that You can have that. you know, when people mock mushrooms, This is prejudice at work. people it's contacting are like 16 year olds and trailers who are like playing xbox yeah it's like i am

1:18:15 Ayahuasca will make you vomit. and that these amazing people from, how far does it date back? them is water the medium in which it's brewed. And with that, with DMT, you have a problem because DMT is not orally active. same thing. The spirits taught our ancestors to do this. When these guys are getting blasted on predates definitely predates metal yeah no doubt about that it's an amazing thing that they've

1:21:22 you end up with an orally active substance. and even pharmahuasca is being spoken of now, shamanism so the best known are the santo deme and the unia de vegetal which both use ayahuasca have formed uh established churches They absolutely know what they're doing, And he was like, what the fuck are you people doing down here? They are the intermediary between us and the divine.

1:25:43 What is that? Well, along the line with McKenna thought, do you ever, you're familiar with John Marco No doubt about it. The apple, even the word for apple also means red, and that the mushroom, the Amanita muscaria was a red mushroom. you find altered states of consciousness are deeply involved. burning bush is really a psychedelic experience that's being described there.

1:28:45 I've even heard scholars connect the acacia tree or the acacia bush Well, sort of. They're at the essence of it. Do you ever consider the possibility that we are somehow locked in some symbiotic relationship to we are the worker bees creating this new life form? I don't see why consciousness should not manifest through that system. it's on the internet, it's a video

1:31:29 Within a minute, these things are talking about God. Jesus is going to be a robot. There's a video we've talked about before about watching traffic go back and forth on that manifests organization and life wherever it can as a medium in which consciousness can immerse itself. And that this may take many different forms and shapes, but the key that computer and that computer was working fine. And I was sitting in front of it one day and I was

1:34:34 We're just incredibly lucky that we have manifested in human bodies because we've got this body with its equipment is an incredible opportunity for learning and growing and developing. That's the morphogenetic field. even when the master himself doesn't quite know yet. People get so frustrated. then eventually evolved into the written word and you know and now cds and mp3s i mean it's it's all

1:36:36 that you wrote a book about Mars. But, you know, it seemed to me an interesting subject that was worthy of exploration. I do think Sidonia is extremely interesting. and then you peel off the outer layer of the lower half and I decided to try to put my mind to work on this mystery take the, we've been talking earlier about the Yonaguni underwater monument. I mean, you can

1:39:33 and shows that they have a direct correlation between distances that can be measured in Egypt and the Giza Plateau. It is odd that it's kind We will not believe this. Settle down, Richard. I'm a comedian. and it needed to be asked forcefully, they've already found that there's water on Mars and there we were existing at the same time they were existing.

1:42:35 seriously with any of this stuff and you have shown incredible bravery in putting forth all but that's what that's what happened now six weeks before i heard from them i got a call from a friend And he said, the best thing you can do popular books for the public but he's having such an impact he needs to be stopped and we need a program about him which really shows how full of shit he is basically that's what we're

1:44:46 We listed ten points of unfairness. and produce a second version of it, which was to this objection. I saw the documentary or whatever you want to call it. It was horrible. john west actually pointed out at the time because he wrote a letter to the bbc to the bbc were Yeah, he's not a professionally qualified Egyptologist, but he's the best Egyptologist

1:46:56 She was like, I can't believe you're watching Magical Egypt again. And anybody who's traveling to Egypt, get hold of John West's Traveler's Key to Ancient Egypt, It might just happen. know, some kind of glib magic. But actually, what I see myself as is somebody who's saying, hang on, That's a psychedelic experience in and of itself, right? Changed the way I looked at human history, changed the way

1:50:23 Yeah. One stone. and that the Romans moved those big stones. four episodes of gigantic flooding where you had 30 foot rise of sea levels very rapidly, at some length in in fingerprints of the gods the notion that that the outer crust of the earth And that explains also ancient maps of Iceland and Greenland. which no longer which didn't come down to us. So these maps were drawn within relatively recent history,

1:54:07 hole where Antarctica is. But if you go back to the 1500s, the 1400s, when they were copying these of the West Irish coast. accurately and a flood killed all that and a flood destroyed it all you're convinced of the flood So the ice would actually accumulate in glacial lakes for thousands of years. and a wave height of close to 1,000 feet. It definitely happened.

1:57:27 story comes to us from the Greek philosopher Plato. He is the earliest source of the Atlantis myth, That means 11,500 years ago. You know, the notion that the pyramids and the Sphinx were laid out on the ground to model an ancient sky and thus define a date using four constellations, which were Leo, was precisely this. god damn if the civilization had in

2:00:55 We lost so much in that burning of the Library of Alexandria, right? pyramids just sort of based on carbon and things that were left behind that doesn't necessarily mean that people didn't move into the pyramids at 2500 bc like do they know the exact date You'd think they'd build from the bottom up, not the mortuary temples that stand beside the pyramids, which seem so different in terms of their

2:03:36 The idea of knowledge being transmitted for 4,000 years is actually not too difficult It was quite unique just a magical series of events and yeah i mean the great pyramid is a magical thing it was magical yeah i How tall were they? What kind of truck would you need now to move a stone? within three-sixtieths of a single degree of true north, I mean, how are they getting these things 500, do you say 700 miles?

2:05:59 You believe we've got to chop this thing up? fucked up is because we just have got no idea what the fuck we're doing. in its prime, to see what the fuck was going And with that note, thank you very you very much sir this has been an amazing He is. And the website is GrahamHancock.com. It's amazing. Thanks.