Joe Rogan Experience #1423 — Andrew Doyle Transcript

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0:00 three two one this is your unveiling okay people know that people know yeah that's it first of all It's all about her. that she's dead pound because it means that she's sort of look every time i post something it's like she'll have to go eventually because I can't like I can't deal Well, it's partly that, but also partly because people still fall for her all the time.

2:25 But then I can argue with the right-wing Trump supporters and stuff, and I can mock them as well. There's plenty of people, and I'll point you to a few of them that I follow. I even once did a, do you remember there was a tweet by, is it Rosanna Arquette who's really, really woke? Is it Patricia Arquette? to to a point that it's it's a cult-like behavior it's like it's it's it's like i think that the

4:19 mistake i mean what's wrong with saying something that's every now and then maybe you do say the And a vegan freelance journalist emailed him saying, I'd love to do a thing about vegans. they made, that troubles me because then it's no longer really about the issue. people will, especially in the more radical, Oh, yeah. and you can be fired for that.

6:58 and all sorts of stuff like that. as a young man like double penetration vision was i mean if she wanted some radical sexual aspect to her story i don't think it was Or any, yeah. in art that she was denied by the Manson family. Like we had it in the BBC, It's weird to me. Well, it was a great movie because it was a great movie. You have no obligation to have anyone else in it.

10:13 and it's to do with this idea of what do you hear it all the time power structures in society you stuff's probably gonna suck because you're thinking about that more than you're thinking And I don't care about that sort of stuff. That's what they're basically saying. They're saying you're all bad people. You're all homophobes. But that's good. That's what they're basically saying.

11:59 because I was sending it to a bunch of people We need Brie Larson to step down from her role about how ridiculous it is but isn't brie larson whoever makes the decision isn't brie larson super you know Camille Paglia, the academic that from happening, yeah, it was all over the press be someone who can act maybe the gayest blackest woman you can find because if you have like a half

15:12 And what if the queer woman of color is really bad at her job too bad it doesn't matter to adapt you need to help her right understand the society is fucked her over and that's why she's not as good as Camille Pagli was. So, again, it gets back to one of their fundamental premises that they don't believe in objective truth. Enormous film studios, enormous entertainment empires.

16:01 I was hoping you'd know. Well, I've got ideas. The impression Olympics. But of course when you mock the priests we're the the mockery police yeah we come in and mock when things are fucked up but then because I've experienced it. Look, Sam Kinison, who's one of the greatest comics of all time, one of his best bits was about starving babies in Africa.

18:16 I mean, everybody's comedy is different. move where the food is you live in a fucking desert and he has this whole crazy bit and it's I see comics do that sort of stuff all the time, never told never netflix has never told me what to do right um but i know they do if you're not a fucking tank of a man was actually scared of this guy like this is come on this is not a victim in

21:09 is the last stand right this is like the ghost dance for wild comedy because we don't i get the I have to go up to comics every night after they're set and explain to them why they shouldn't tell these jokes and why they, you know. This is serious, right? and violence isn't it? This idea that... This is what they're pushing. maybe it's disingenuous in some cases but maybe some people have actually, and this

23:41 Yeah. The horrific dictator. It's like this archetype seems to almost be unavoidable with certain types of human beings. from the other in a kind of because they have the similar need to proselytize to convert yes And particularly when those same people have such power in the major institutions, right? Academia is a big one. compare it to it's very similar you the more pious you are the more adherent you are to the dogma to

27:11 wouldn't even get on the course if you didn't sort of basically subscribe it's the same sort it's really weird to me that i've suddenly most of my friends now are right-leaning Something like that. and most people think it's weird. Women can have beards, what are you saying? about money you see this is it what what this this is actually one of the reasons why i wanted to

29:38 It was someone that she decided she'd choose. What is it? Yeah, but no, she was going to veto. When you're 15, you don't know what the fuck is going on. the voting age. And so it got up Oh, I see. class again. Because this is one of the reasons why, like Titania, I wanted her to be posh Some poor working class mother who can't afford anything And get through.

32:24 is because they're not being, and you're a man, does not mean that that's the gender You're going to cancel yourself now? Because she probably messes up sometimes. Because of that, have you seen this? baby. Yeah, but she needs to be heard. That's rude. He's a baby. I mean, but this is, you're scraping the surface here so one of the Right? the hallmarks of cults is they try to separate you from your parents yeah or if you get the kids

36:02 What causes them to take hold? I'm going to say something very optimistic now. It's pushing for further segregation. calling everyone a nazi and you're also crying wolf right so because you're crying wolf when I mean, for being preposterous. If you think that that's fascism, online yes should you wish to check it out but that involves a degree of research and actual

39:51 You can't win. was a mainstream publication wasn't it that wasn't some rogue i mean it's sure but look the only people that are taking it seriously are the people that are woke i mean it's regular Yeah. so it doesn't mean that anymore I mean, find all the demons in your neighborhood. And they're all running around scared. asexual yeah and what's the plus the plus is whatever fucker we've forgotten basically aliens

42:44 And then if you're not ideologically pure they'll cast you out they'll there's a really funny starts with a gay bashing and out magazine said, called Pink News, right? And if they hate you like this is it's it's it's genuinely nuts so i wonder whether we should The thing is you say it as a joke and then one day it's not a joke it'll I remember that.

45:54 That's the headline of that article, right? isn't even like some like blog full flirting with blackface that's the new york times who wrote that who's that person who's what i mean it's not a racist i can't remember her name but it's yeah i know what you're saying But it'd be one thing if, I mean, I don't support violence anyway, but it'd be one thing

48:02 hitting people with bike locks and all the then how do you I mean, we've seen all this stuff that happens with Antifa. and that people understand that the answer to bad speech is good speech yeah just more of it platform and be debated and be and and be repudiated they're worried that that person's going to indoctrinate someone and they think that they're absolutely right and that

51:00 but the fact is there are so few of those people there are so few people who are that stupid that's And I understand why you would think that. Yeah, I've had conversations with them in real life. What's the best way to deal with those people? and they can hear those ideas unchallenged. But we know from the history of censorship that it never works.

52:55 That requires restraint. and the head of that party nick griff, went on to our main political discussion programme, that actually if you hear more from these people, I mean like I'm not in favor of banning these people I do not trust the state Absolutely. that person said something because of you you were one of the a non-crime hate incident. And the actual phrase the police officer used, I'm not joking, was,

55:59 The commissioning guidelines from the College of Policing actually stipulate that this is what you're meant to do. I mean, you should be... But I mean, literally, he was trying to lecture him on this stuff. It's not a trick. Right. I don't know. Yes. Sorry, his girlfriend's dog is this cute little pug dog, right? is behaving this vicious... Now, look, I accept that people can be offended.

59:06 and said, do you find this offensive? But he's got a criminal record now for whatever you think about the joke, right? this is that's that's crazy and i know the guy because i i i i i defended him at the time and They sent him 351 pages of every tweet he ever liked that had the word fuck in it. Sorry. of what it looks like. Merry Christmas to the toddler.

1:01:35 Yeah. i actually don't understand why that would be an issue. Because they writing the tweet, but liking it. who wants to be a millionaire, to celebrate that. I don't understand it. I don't see any bigotry. because it is a big dick energy move four years or so? with his internet name Yes. Fama, the smartest way to screen toxic workplace behavior. company to get that information so it's like a background check yeah a company that was creepy

1:05:54 the big dick energy guy that gets you flagged, that there's anyone people want to cancel people here's one, getting together and laying with men, if you just have a few fucked up sketchy things in your past you know that they could get you and I know guys who are creepers who identify as male feminists It's so stupid. You love people and you want everyone to have equal opportunity. You everybody to have equal treatment so you would get rid of the word

1:08:27 and then you finally get in But I would be on board women need special protection. Okay, okay. women don't you know but the men that i have met they're so they're so obviously compromised right heads and but you're right so many of them it just happens all the time so many of them This is crazy It's an old trick are doing it in order to cover their own tracks

1:11:05 I'm friends with a guy who used to be woke, and now he's not. But he recognized, like, how crazy it is. It's like... It's not even vibrating. and I put them in a folder in me like i find the same thing as well everyone we're human beings you know and you can't i i wonder the extent to which social media has sort of escalated everything in the real world

1:12:57 deleted twitter for a week and then i got so much work done i was so productive it was really great That was March last year. Can you confirm or deny this? In fact, what was great is some of my friends because the outing happened the week of the book it looked deliberate it looked like i'd sort of you know and i get screenshots sent back at me saying this is homophobic or whatever and i'm

1:15:47 Come on. It's hard to remember. Yeah. That is crazy, right? they don't care about reality they don't care about what's true yeah exactly there's no need they always turn most severely on people from the left who question this stuff. but that's why i think left and right is no longer helpful i think i i think it's about that's why and that's the new fault line.

1:19:34 If they just started a few things like that, good Lord, the amount of people that would because they alienate all of their major... Yeah, so you split the vote, right? Yes, independent. I voted for him. I was older than that. I mean, that is going to limit they, you know, point yeah because they you know and this is there's no judgment here but They have to hide it.

1:23:03 But how do they not see it? There's certain aspects of people that it's hard to tell. be nice here not name names names. No, never. He's got a wife and kids, of these people go into politics a lot of these sorts they're kind of sociopathic a lot yeah there's there's something about them and so they they're throwing slogans out there. The thing is, I think they mean what they say.

1:25:51 I wish that were true, but I don't think it is. It sends that sort of message. And we know it just never... on AOC and focus on that because it means that you start thinking Democrat is woke. Yes. whether you're fucking whatever yeah microaggressions or It would be impossible to be woke which shows the progression of society becoming safer and But that's also why people are finding things to complain about,

1:27:39 They're the most tolerant they've ever been. they're not oppressed when they say they are like if someone claims to be oppressed that's a very So how is it the case that those sort of tactics, I'm not saying that that's an authoritarian company, but those tactics are straight from the authoritarian paper. Yeah. I think it was like pedophilia. And then they let his boss know.

1:30:33 I do as well. guy because he showed me the discord serve you know the chat room they all go into and it was Yes. they're just copying it yes and so if you don't know if you don't immerse yourself in that world that's what i was going to say is that the counter argument to that is well couldn't genuine fascists I think it's incumbent on And when he spoke to them, it was quite clear that they just don't.

1:33:42 that's how they justify their actions right so it So it just goes back to that thing, gives them purpose, gives them something to do. But no one's done that to me yet. And I i'm like what did i say now i'm doubting in the early days she was getting mass reported and i thought like she kept getting banned like So I'm familiar with it and I'm familiar with the language

1:35:54 imagine it'd be very fun i find people that believe what they believe very strongly to be And then the other people really believe too. then on you know when my mom married my stepdad was all no there was no religion in the household so it's a very, yeah, Irish as well. the faith that you have, Right. takes its effort right yeah it's exhausting so i but i think what you've identified there

1:39:12 not thinking for yourself then yeah they have this predetermined pattern of behavior yeah which is atheism is a religion it's not it's not the same thing gotta say you don't know because if you soon as you say you know something that i know you can't don't he's worried about it yeah and I'm like come on bro you're dying you know There's levels of consciousness.

1:42:14 You know what I mean? there's something numinous about humanity and about life and about existence and i mean that Yes. way children behave when they're trying to seek dominance over other people yeah and anyone who you probably are unless yeah okay unless you say it's about open-mindedness i think you have to be Right. if we had a society where people were socialized well you know because i think being an autonomous

1:45:33 He was a genius at it. because I've been hypnotized before, where they sit you down. Like my friend Vinny Shorman, sleep now and he would tell him go to sleep and they would just just drop their head and he would but he's like, I better do what I'm told who are instinctively suggestible right the like the hail bop comic cult remember that the heaven's

1:47:51 Dull-minded. That's a really good way of approaching it could be an angry word that a relative said it could be a news item that they saw we still have they think that like i think that's going to be a deplorable prejudice. and then afterwards, Old white people. and then there are no more old people like people get older people change their minds it was really

1:51:05 It's the same thing. And there's a lot of hate clicks too. mentioned and it was so obviously a hoax and so obviously stupid and i made up a name and i sent Comedians crying free speech isn't good enough. point isn't to try and fool people by someone who wasn't even known. some random person Well, I only sort of revealed it a couple of months ago in this speech I gave.

1:54:12 attack people for things like in order to get like real engagement yeah you have to kind of give into I want to hold them to high standards, and you know like the washington post why are they pushing this i think they're struggling algorithm does right yeah i mean one of the things that facebook's algorithm does is it sort of in And it's really more of a symptom of what human beings are attracted to.

1:56:15 And, you know, stuff would go away I feel So that's the question, isn't it? Are we going to reach a tipping point? It was really incoherent. banners saying not my prime minister boris johnson not my well he is your prime minister because we and you have to have that them it's also fun to get together with a bunch of other like-minded people and you know and then

1:58:56 He's not the same, but he's got wacky hair. interested in the family that they have no power at all in our country and you know ridiculous i you're not supposed to have because if you did... Oh, my God. It's a big estate, but they call it Frogmore Cottage. brexit probably bores people but the problem with the whole brexit thing is people thought it was

2:01:15 to be made within their country, you know what and and also by the way if you're left wing and you're supporting the eu which is guys that was the narrative they were spinning from the start and people would and you know what you know whatever then they're going to go in that voting booth and they're going to they're right and that's why they double premise that they set up, right?

2:03:33 So that, and that's how, It really depends on how many people get behind Bernie. They don't like him. He's full-on socialist left-wing. Right. is you can get treated you can get treated like if you if you get if you're poor here and you I love our NHS. that is pushing really hard to be the best doctor so he can get a Ferrari and a big house And it's like wanting to be number one.

2:06:42 kind of shit it's alien to me like you know a shoulder doctor I would you know you just go to the NHS and they give you the doctor they give it I think No, I'll tell you why. It isn't the case that the NHS has substandard doctors. It's very hard. Right. had some really bad results okay so that is one of the things that people can't you experience oh, $100, like $10,000. 10,000? Yeah. Like people go crazy. But also, don't you think like if there's

2:09:47 I have avoided it they want to hit a nail. out it'll be 20 quid or something oh that's a real problem in america as well you know but For bad people. and it becomes an issue of making money, yeah think about how often you go to the movie theater or a restaurant or a bar and you're They're not in the UK. They have so much debt, I think not comparable, really. Like, how much would it cost to do a degree here, say, for instance, if you want to be a lawyer or something? that out there so expensive right and you don't you're it's not that expensive in england i think

2:13:14 So Ivy League, say. Yeah. so 65k a year just think that's stacking up one two three four five six i suppose what they're means tested back then because my family weren't well off i got just everything got paid for that's awesome i mean they're doing yeah and you they're going on, we got a loan for you. Right. Obviously, just to get into Harvard in the first place.

2:16:06 But it should be definitely Like, as in if you've got nothing and they don't get paid much And this is the point, see the argument both ways, aren't dealing with, and much more stress, well anybody who thinks white privilege is universal needs to go to kentucky and see the He's like, man, you've never seen poverty like this. The actual problem is racism.

2:18:59 Especially poor white people. Again, woke. Hey, they get tax-free status. They've got all of the hallmarks. in itself is too open-ended there's too much existential angst there's too many confusing and i know some of them that have broken free yeah i know some former woke people that have words are not the problem folks it's actual's actual prejudice. That's the problem. Of course.

2:22:19 maybe i've got this a bit wrong and that to me is a horrible I don't know how you challenge that even Westboro Baptist Church but not many a sinner as well i think they probably that's probably why they think he died oh is that right I mean, can you imagine if your soldier, if your son was a soldier and your son got shot down and you're at the funeral and these guys are standing in front of the building where you're having a service and they're saying the reason why your son died is because there's a bunch of people out there that are in love with other men and having sex with men.

2:24:01 right it's messy it's like everything else in human nature it's messy and Yes. No, I think every generation thinks they're going to be the ones that change the world. are getting a bit out of fashion You know? guns a lot of people develop bills and and react and they see that there's a lot of people that It's a belief in the freedom of the press, freedom of speech, individual autonomy.

2:26:56 the liberal position on that what you say is anyone has the right to identify however they That's what I mean. annoys me you guys definitely have a different definition of liberal yeah yeah yeah liberal disagree i don't agree with him rather on everything but uh i i definitely respect him You're trying to put words in my mouth. That's not the same thing. Yes, you're dead right. And that's not an interview. Youment of her imagination called Jordan Peterson. That's not the same thing.

2:29:34 I also think she hadn't read the book. I think, really good example of this mischaracterization stuff, which is just so the norm now. If you don't faithfully represent what the other person saying saying you've lost the argument okay that's called a straw man that you shouldn't and you can reinstate that's a problem that feminist baby stuff is hilarious and that's also Millennials having kids

2:31:50 How about that? I really appreciate it. She's great. It's such a wonderful thing. There's a lot of fucking people out there, man. Thank you, brother.