Joe Rogan Experience #1427 — Melissa Chen Transcript

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0:00 ready what's up melissa how are you hello joe we were just talking about caning and hanging Really? I had to get out. So if you have an ounce of marijuana, how many grams is in an ounce? Yeah. You just have to show your driver's license that you're over 21, and you can buy that at a store. So he didn't even get out of the airport. quickly um i guess the founder you know the country well not the founder the founding prime minister

2:47 There's almost no welfare, at least in the sense of how we understand welfare. So if you wanted to set up business in Asia, Now it's that stupid movie. I didn't like it because I don't like rom-coms. and in fact i kind of grew up with some people that that lived that lifestyle um but i i just But the problem is, like, you know, I think today there's a bit of a – if you're a girl and you're kind of funny, there's a bit of a sense that like people are really taking

5:39 So, you know, we thought, you know, we spent like, what, $8 trillion on the war on terror? basically access that And I met him when I was in grad school. The government just kind of controls everything. So let's tell everybody what you're drinking. What the fuck are you doing? Please don't. You can't have second ones of those. Sorry about that. I didn't really sleep that much last night, so I might need another one.

8:49 Not you. Up to 50. All right, maybe I just haven't got my game yet. are immune some people are yes you see it does not some people get withdrawals too you know i've And then they realize, oh, this is – my body is withdrawing from THC. Was he saying Singapore? it devastates families people dying of overdoses from fentanyl and all these different But there is no legalization that no one would see from overdose.

12:26 that American businesses are not capitalizing on. The desire for alcohol didn't go away. It's the whole spirit of punk rock, of like F you to the system. More books are translated between English and Spanish in one year than English and Arabic in a thousand years. And the only other option is get these people to learn English, which is a far more difficult task.

14:25 like, for example, let's say you're like, Oh, Jamie, go Google this, right? And, and you expect So you can't look it up. dumb and just just like basically you spend your nights watching The Bachelor or like, you know, whatever it is. My friend Cam. Which one? It's so strange that people are even interested in that. exposed to the different ideas different ideas and and different, different debates. And they have a monoculture. So monoculture because of, you know, society is, they have religions, they have ways of

16:48 And, you know, just the sort of like habits of a free mind are not really cultivated. It's not like here where it is like, But I understand what you're saying. I was always the person that, like, the teachers had to teachers had to call like you know your daughter's asking too many questions Of course. That's what my mom would say. And, okay, that's one level of it.

19:45 Yeah, that's how he came here as a refugee. Saddam was ousted, right? oh shit like the consequence of saying what you think there is like, at least in my case, was just like, hey, maybe I might go to jail. think you know as long as america still can celebrate mavericks and tolerate not just what this country was founded on is going to keep it from deteriorating like that.

22:46 none of these things that you and I can with this like, That's what we expected. It's basically a top-down way to – it's a goal. liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's it. And if you do that, that's the American dream. through very unfair practices, actually, in many cases. Oh, that's right. That's what it was. because, you know, it kind of sucks to be one here in the sense of like you're not paid that well,

27:06 He just, he didn't report it. Yeah. In fact, one of my girlfriends, she's kind of sponsored by Huawei. She's European. I wanted to take a selfie of me and I was like, I am. There's no way that my face could ever be, you know, in your phone. Really? Absolutely. Tell me why. Like, what is what are your thoughts on it? that has such totalitarian control over everything,

29:06 the chinese government has enacted all these mass surveillance policies it's i i just wouldn't trust And just a lot of party connections. when it came to trade right the the republicans and the libertarians always like free trade free That was his theory. And if you think about what happened with the NBA, And the Hong Kong protesters have been at it since July of last year, 2019.

32:32 and bring them for trial in some sort of kangaroo or show trial in China. up in China, was basically a forced kidnapping. And he was released, I think he was, you know, And so Darren Warrie tweeted this out. oh, I'm sorry for hurting the feelings of the Chinese people. came to the china hong kong issue they stood with the biggest the oppressor yeah it's always hard

35:22 And they were worried about the money. they listed like countries that we're in. So several, I think World War Z was affected, you know. Yeah. Supposed to be a male. the costume oh this is it yes what was the problem was it japanese flag that's the taiwanese flag the red oh yeah It's probably the top gun over in China. The third one is Japan and it's like one-fifth of the United States. The second largest market is China. The third one is Japan.

39:20 I think so. It's weird that it's that easy. Like, it's messy. you know, have their pulse on something. There's some apps you can sideload from the web, and you can download them directly to your phone. whatever the, So like if China can influence us, show this anecdotal story of a farmer who's upset because, you know, he's losing money So we get sort of sold a narrative on the news.

43:06 But, you know, China does have military ambitions. transition so the long game belongs to china and they they know that. They know that. right, in all forms, so it's not just mass surveillance, all this AI stuff that they're sort of like collecting people's, like facial scams. Yeah, it's it's this, it's such a dystopian It sucks already if it's happening.

45:25 Muslim refugees. But you have Pakistan and even some, you know, majority of the Gulf countries up until this trade issue Yeah. Taiwan is another issue still. 17. I lived in Boston for 10 years. because it was a former British colony. Because I was weird. Very entrenched. Had I grown up here, I probably wouldn't be chewing this right now. like standard of living the united states was kind of a thorough country compared to singapore

49:34 So many Singaporean kids, in fact, 90% of all the kids I know growing up, Well, that's why wages are on average low in Singapore. It's not about the size. We're going to, I don't care whether this is a policy that came from the right or the left. It's what works. People respond to incentives, right? And if you And how the government manages this multicultural project is that 80% of people actually live

52:22 It has to follow. and have, you know, neighbors are just not not your own kind um and that's how Yeah. and it's the same with, Yeah. He didn't even request it. around anyone. And we're making this big deal out of it. this group called Mythicists Milwaukee like he didn't really exist as a historical figure. And, you know, it was a good, it was a bunch of people, but on the political spectrum, basically.

57:01 and he got tainted as well. the Pittman, New Jersey police and it's very stupid it's childish and it's this thing that it gets it just gets reinforced in that And then everyone around And you're censoring people that are trying to get to the bottom of things this discussion and and and they pull fire alarms and and yell that she's a nazi like she's a

1:00:03 It kind of, like, reminds me of of like – because I grew up pretty evangelical. That's heavy. Because they're always so concerned that the corruption is just going, like, they're going to drift to the right. Yeah, I know what you're saying. wing ideology i mean i've heard intelligent people make this conversation about other And he's not convincing me.

1:03:20 Is it convincing someone that's a baby? Are you dealing with children? Are we dealing with uneducated people? And his perspective is he couldn't support that because of religious reasons. It's a different perspective. Sometimes you want to murder people. the the sheer number of these people and taking into perspective that you know you're literally

1:05:16 Exactly. have, and now the biological understandings of why they have these differences well you're dealing with ignorance you're you're you're you're applying But you know what? and so so the only reason she was objecting to it was because of this belief that she's going and he gets weird I really do. He's very friendly. like why does it affect your heterosexual marriage exactly it shouldn't well the sanctity of marriage

1:08:52 In Christianity, if you leave, That used to be Christianity. Like it was actually, the person was coordinating some of the protests that was telling us, Because Enlightenment was what constrained Christianity in a way. And maybe that'll help. So, you know, pluralism, I see that as, you know, that's what we're doing, promoting pluralism, this idea that you can have all these competing narratives. And so you asked me what my culture, you know, like when I came to America, like how, what was my experience just moving here?

1:11:43 Exactly. terrible it's very clickba, and it's not him. I do it right out in the open. He's very smart. I needed to know. And it's like, these people can't sing. like you should just be singing in the shower? American Idol, if you don't have any talent. There's no shame in Food network right Do not taste bad They have like legitimate mental health issues.

1:15:30 That's just how it is. They don't have to do stupid things like drink this and get nervous. university run up and down the stairs to get some additional workouts in he was trying to train for And it was all through sheer will and determination. But he was explaining that to me about what it was like growing up. Of pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You don't need handouts. The harder you work, the more likely you're going to achieve something.

1:18:05 Yeah, they're trying to manage that. they started downgrading Asians on personality. So they said, okay, we're not just going to rely on standardized tests. purpose of higher education you could tailor your entrance methods to meet that and, what's the purpose of higher education, you could tailor your entrance methods But when it came to personality, they were very consistently downgraded.

1:20:47 You have to just expand your mind, right? doing so they penalized asians without being aware of it yeah kind of i mean to be to be honest like I didn't party. Yeah. Yeah. 70 80 percent asian interesting in california yeah why is that that's why the lawsuits were filed so yeah they are starting to but it's like it took that Same thing. to the left, I was bummed about that. He was my guy guy he has some really interesting ideas and he's so

1:25:32 flip that was a terrible coin flip the whole thing is just so weird it's just seeing it play out and That was pretty good Bernie. like fucking run him run him run him but no people are really raking him over the coals for apparently, like, his, you know. For me, that's why I like Andrew Yang. And that's the thing. It's better than China, right? Right.

1:28:21 Mm-hmm. money has on politics and bernie clearly stands against all that stuff and i think that when in a disenfranchised position because there's so many try to do our best to in some way economically uplift all these And are you right or am I wrong? when there's very little exchange of ideas in between the right and the left one of the guys using his platform and well of course he's using his platform he's getting good ideas out there

1:32:32 a lot politically, Oh, he's got a crazy laugh. And you'll list like five or six in a row, as if that defines the show. Your whole show is far-right. Yeah. Toxic masculinity? Right. But this stuff is insidious because it's bad enough to be in political silos we're now in cultural silos and I'm surprised you watch WWE. And I, you know, Like we shouldn't be going down this route.

1:36:16 clusters right and people are scared to like things like wwe or like anything they like you And it makes it easy to map out what you're probably going to do and how you're going to react. You have interesting ideas that are completely irreverent and don't fit into these patterns. Yeah. If you're deeply religious and they're deeply religious, they know that they can talk other people that are deeply religious. If you're deeply religious

1:38:20 You're a good Christian. Well, I know Even Trump. That's how I look at it. No, I'd be shocked. I think she's fairly pretty. Look at that. He might be a changed man. Go back to that picture, please. It doesn't matter. What is this nonsense? and people got to buy into it. But if you look at his past and his history, he's not a religious guy. I think it was performative.

1:41:11 I guarantee you. Oh, she used to be addicted? Yeah, yeah. She, like addiction. Oh, she used to be addicted? What do you mean? cover band guy and he's so good that when steve perry stepped away they hired him Anyway Chances are. When did he? He's amazing. Just a touch. I had no idea. All of a sudden, he's a lead singer at Journey. what is this god damn it why can't i remember his last name? Bata. Bata is Efren Reyes's and Django Francisco Bustamante.

1:45:02 Those are positive. And so they developed a lot of really good skills under bad conditions. from the philippines and be like oh fuck here we go wow yeah so it's like chinese and ping pong Versus like if you kind of, you know, grew up skiing the soft part of Colorado, you can't really switch that way. Yes. She's hilarious. New York Times reporter Rukmini, had gone into Baghdad

1:48:26 something reporting from the foreign. because I had a big imposter syndrome You didn't go to the same journalism school. So don't even tell us. Congrats to them. expectation of you as a certain, behaving a certain way. Now, when you're funny, the problem is that We ink contracts with them, working with publishers, agents, and then also fundraising.

1:51:16 that like they don't expect you to be uh funny or like the funnier you are, the more they take you less seriously. but I would like it that I like about I don't think that's true. it's, No, I don't want the revolution. So in that sense, I'm not I'm not that much of an outsider. I love this quote. Actually, Is that an ancient Lakota quote? institution. A lot of people who have, you know, huge financial back. And that's why somebody,

1:54:25 Right. I already seen that Andrew Doyle the other day. I love retweeting those Titania posts because so many people are like, what? If you had a television show, like one of them after midnight episodes. Let's say Jimmy Kimmel. from the university of phoenix i think it was where there's this kid on campus and um there I mean, because he's not saying anything.

1:56:50 Suck my fucking balls. Yeah. even know happened like apparently a van was was was driven into a gop tent or something and you It was just the other way around. We have left-wing media and right-wing media, and everybody else is going, what's going on? and i'm like no no maybe i shouldn't you know amplify that signal maybe maybe this really is a fringe and that and

1:59:46 Again, like checks, notes, you know, iPhone sexist. Yeah, yeah. So I kind of stopped doing that stuff. and dog parks, whatever it was called. Yes. um like the atheists the new atheists started started debating the religious Christians. It's like the new atheists were kind of mocking, right? than than left these days no one more than woke people right i i when i called my 2016 netflix

2:02:11 Yeah. twitter right so so i i used to say the same thing because the you know you would see medical You have more and more people who are saying, Okay, because The Cellar is really least woke too. Yes. the one in new york stand-up is pretty unwoke and the thing is the audiences bit that's a weird one too because you shouldn't punch down if it's not funny but if it's really

2:04:29 And he goes, why don't you, instead of sending him money or sending him food, see that see that you know what that is that's fucking sand you know it's gonna dissect why it worked i don't think you could predict how a joke will work because too many fat and ugly and you know he's always angry that's like you know we talk about marriage and getting It was a mocking of someone.

2:07:52 It's what he does. I really respect that so much. He's a very, very funny guy. It was, you could get away. It's just that he's an artist. But if you're saying it in the context of comedy, when you know that someone's just fucking around, it's really funny. consequences and you're like okay you guys this of wokeness and the promotion of wokeness and the very strict adherence to this ideology and the aggressive takedowns of people that don't comply, you're essentially instigating

2:12:30 changed the way they thought that is so powerful and that's been more powerful than all the punch thinks that daryl davis is a new nazi so yeah you're right the concept creep um but it works when you see someone trying to close down a christina hoff summer's uh speech what you're after the right and they'll they'll they'll reinforce our ideas you don't understand the

2:15:36 put those separate views of the world together. Talk her through. unnatural way i would say it's a bit of a luxury now because like it feels like it's very easy and And that creates a very different environment. we cannot separate the air that makes wings beat from the air that chokes and i was like it's so I don't want this arranged marriage or whatever.

2:18:48 or bad it's both those things all together there's amazing aspects of social media i mean just the Times have a bit changed. fake i love when they give fake speeches and they do fake political things with their thumb like nobody told him like what the optics were right that looks it's white cream and you're It's probably happening in the New York Times.

2:21:34 Right. No one. You could make a very distorted perception of someone But that's what I mean. You know, these magazines and newspapers have become sort of slaves to clickbait. But they still are. Or goes against it and you get angry. Listen, I got to wrap this up, but I appreciate what you're doing. Could be more.