Joe Rogan Experience #1430 — Raghunath Cappo Transcript

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0:00 three two one boom we're live what's up ray how are you buddy pretty good great to see you man All these kids are contacting me. I honestly I'm proud of all you've done stand up comedian that's a great gig it's a fun gig it's a great gig and if I could pick Great. Just Joe Rogan time. You've done some great stuff. First of all, stand-up comedian. Yeah, for sure.

1:34 You're very skilled. the clothes to grab onto, it changed the grips. and you watch those Gracie in action videos. I want a real-life situation. but if you did and he was wearing a jacket like yours, Like if you had a fight with Cairo Parisian or Ronda Rousey or someone like Yeah. was not to be around that whole posse and then i never expected it to get as big as it did i know

4:10 Yeah. and then Eddie just got his black. yeah it was a good place to be at a good time it was it's like when you look back at those times only because i'm not there anymore. You have to be into it and go somewhere. It was a lot of purple belts teaching schools and blue belts teaching schools in some places even. Isn't that crazy? a great guy too. and he gave me

6:56 well he still does he's so loved that guy said i mean that's one of the really nice things about You're right next to me every morning for two hours, but we've never spoken. You know, you roll with someone and they're super sharp. Yeah. When you stopped, were you a brown belt? it was confusing. that I related to, and yoga got me really flexible. And so, yeah,

9:30 yeah I do Jean Jacques some of the stuff I did. I do a mount where I put the feet forward. So I did that to someone. Right? I didn't learn this stuff to win points. Great guy. It was very interesting because that debate really should be like 15 hours long. It's like, there's a lot of it it it's interesting it's like there's a lot certain carbohydrates and plants and and when you eliminate those things from your diet you find all

12:49 And then the health-conscious people, the people that are like, you know, I don't give a fuck about that. It's bad for you. people argue points they'll argue subjects and topics as if they're arguing their very value is to go, hmm, okay, how am am i wrong what did i do wrong and just then that other person is going to be very attached to what they've said i mean people dig their heels in it's yeah these are all these are all points i'm working on in uh

15:34 and your ideology picked out He was one of the guys He's been on this podcast before. I remember him. It's like all black t-shirts, That's his thing. Black socks? All right. That's his Check. Black pants? Check. Black socks? I was a monk. Well, how did you get that name? that sort of speak to you and they want to sort of give you a mantra. And then it starts to sort of slow down the pace of your thoughts and your mind.

18:34 The mind can go to a very dark place very quick. you're not actually healthy. right now. Yeah, literally. I looked at myself more as a meditator. We've married 16 years. And the top was down. I just said, hold my sweatshirt. So I drive real close to the steering wheel and I slipped behind him and tried to choke him, but I couldn't get deep enough behind him to get the choke in.

22:08 And it went on for like three minutes just there. My wife was looking at me. We're standing oh Jesus at that point I think His baseball hat fell off, and I had his shirt, and he ran away. I was like, that was the coolest thing I think I've ever done. yeah yeah and all those guys at john jockster you're the cops i'd call them cops or robbers So when you're rolling with this guy also, people that aren't accustomed to that, they feel vulnerable.

24:49 with you let me see what it feels like they're helpless they're helpless helpless it's a weird They really are. They're my best friends. But I wonder if you get the same feeling because you don't have to pull yeah You know, it's like you're like people who don't have good friends. You've got to get over that quick. It was from some TV show. or being on someone's back,

27:39 like when that documentary I mean, a lot of people got excited about yoga because of hickson i think he's just all doing yoga now. And that's what happened, right? me and my uh my buddy buddy parmananda who also later moved Really? books all afternoon by Swamis and want to be like that. And there's a lot of people who are following those sort of principles of controlling your senses.

31:21 Even though it wasn't bad or anything, it wasn't what I wanted to never knew like what was about to like blow up and you were with all these other people that What happened was he got some unknown lung infection. And then at his death, when he finally left his body, I was cultivating a strong desire to go to India and study more. That was a sign for me, and I quit the band.

33:58 Sometimes when you become very successful at something, And there's a library of books or a bookstore up on 24th Street where he has an ashram in New York City. I collected records. because you could damage them. when somebody comes over my house and says,, my God, you got that record. changed and i took all those records and i threw them out on stage to all fans record collector

37:24 The spirit is pure and if you've ever been in a band And I remember I got offered money for the first time being in a band. No way. Yeah. it's very easy to point the finger at everybody and watch what everybody else is doing wrong. Oh, you said, well, was it hard to give up the band? I want to be like that. it you were on like a spiritual quest. There's a lot of people that pretend to be on these spiritual clubs.

41:07 right someone finds out that you meditate someone finds out that you've read these books the ego's He's just eating my food. And he's like, you're so right. But it's also, there's an issue where people want people to think that you're this brilliant, erudite, interesting person because you have all these books in your house. It's the biggest of all of them.

43:08 It gets wound up in animal rights. Look, that was ill-motivated again. How long were you a monk for? I was a monk. I wasn't the Beatles when I wasn't, you know, Michael Jackson, but I had some materials, Is it just to be very famous? my burning question. were New Yorkers. And so we used to, my older brothers lived in the city, so I started hanging out in New York City. My parents were New Yorkers,

45:55 This is how it works. up super early. You go to bed, you know, 8.30, you wake up three o'clock in the morning. There's and I've seen that happen I want what they have. You know what I mean? the Bhagavad Gita you're familiar with, it's one chapter of the biggest epic in the world, the Mahabharata. You do what you do, but in a spiritual way. I've never seen it.

49:22 But I don't watch so much TV. It's really dark. You know, the mind is like a garage, So the Krishna mantra, you might have known it from the soundtrack of Hare. It delivers the man or the mind. So, the yoga system says, notice those mantras. That's part of self-edification or self-realization. You notice what's playing in the mind, and you replace those mantras with transcendental sound,

51:51 that doesn't make me better at all. of connection or the yoga of the heart, and starts to deal with all the essence of the We want to become like that. Because I'm just, I've got this lens. Okay. The missing ingredient in food, and then offered. but before you enjoy it, So all the food takes on the consciousness of the preparer of the food. Do you believe that?

55:22 which was I became a bunch of my friends that were monks. when we started though, you would feel, cooking your food? My point is- It depends on the individual. So it's not going to be like me shoving stuff in my mouth, which I do occasionally. But there's a connection to your food that's very, very different. Right. this wild this thing might not have ever seen a person ever and it's looking at me and i'm going

59:42 Every day he's looking at mountain lions and there's a wolf over there and there's a bear over here. time every bite i took i didn't take any of it for granted it meant a lot i wish that everybody It's a new world. I mean, people look at it in terms But one of the big ones is that we're divorced from nature in a very, very strange way. And most people, our urban population centers centers most people don't encounter nature if you're in

1:01:49 It's a huge thing. And a lot of kids have Lyme disease where I live. weapon that escaped from a lab because there's no doubt that they've invented biological weapons Not only was it not effective, Sure. And I will say when people come up to our farm, you know, we run a retreat center. and there's nothing else, just space like a movie. Yeah, the visitor center I I think, is like,

1:04:43 because I've been back since. egocentric and so we're not humbled like here's here's an example where do when you think about You're surrounded by, like, I lived in the mountains outside of Boulder for a while. You're like, whoa, like no artwork could ever do. beauty in nature that's spectacular that doesn't serve any real purpose for you like why do you

1:07:25 and you sit down on a ridge and you're just drinking water and just looking out like this the beauty that i got from seeing the sky from the keck observatory with no moon just all stars it was just like humbling just It looks like it has done multiple times throughout history, If we find something coming our way, We might not see one that's coming from a direction

1:10:30 Yeah. They've been homeschooled for the last two years. I'll just give it a plug right now, off in the rain. I was like, I'm so drizzle barefoot. Right. i'm sorry yes that dog is retriever he says yeah. Yeah, he's well kept. He's the sweetest of sweetie pies. I ran outside. soul farm and uh yeah it's uh we do like our yoga workshops and things there.

1:13:15 We've got a swim pond. oh okay yeah then you're all right sort of in a valley and it comes right from the hill the real And you can actually dip your thermos into this lake and drink it. Saratoga Springs, great place. Artesian, I've got to get the wiki on that one. That's artisan. Oh, you have a podcast too? Natural pressure produces a constant supply of water with little or no pumping.

1:15:57 Yeah, the That's it. As long as no one's fracking nearby. we no longer need the middle eastern oil but yeah but what about these fucking people that too and he ends up in india living in the himalayas with sadhus wow incredible incredible It's super fun. all that crazy stuff is real in what way just like all the things that you say like oh that's Right.

1:19:55 Yeah. this woman on the podcast yesterday uh she's an mma fighter her name is angela hill uh she's a and it's crazy if you listen to recordings of him being hypnotized and going through it like They'd have a fire body. okay, why can my dog hear those sounds Am I missing a sense? not there you you don't there's no way of detecting it other than your olfactory senses

1:23:23 i'm reading this mahabart i think it's a great book, a lot of great lessons here. Like, what do you actually know? You have a certain amount of animals and animals that you keep, animals that you ride, animals that you hunt, foods you eat. it like not that it's all real i'm not saying to just blind faith but i'm not saying don't be a Ganesh is a being.

1:25:47 Like you said earlier, we're separate from our thoughts, So you got a Porsche or you got an 18-wheeler. Brahma is also a post. martial arts, we got pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger on our wall, we start to create a Oh, you read my bio? And you bring that practice with you wherever you go. I don't know if you've ever done this on your show. The yogis say it's a practice.

1:28:57 Whoa. you go to columbia university read commentaries on the Gita by this person who at age eight to holy places. And I take students, like 30 or 40 students to holy places. And we just meet Huh? So many different cultures came there, and they could never really quite change it. You go to Paris, Beverly Hills, Scranton, Pennsylvania. there's the same victoria's secret there's the same gap oh you don't you don't want to dress

1:31:56 And there's one point up And so in our lifetime, we've watched places just get paved over. in the elements when it was freezing and there was no heat you were forced to take a cold shower you They're higher beings. participating in while they were doing these things so how do you know about soma so funny It's otherworldly. But if you've ever seen a peacock, turkeys look like boring.

1:35:01 Montezuma wore his feathers on his hat. you're really going to believe in the wind god? I'm a being with a family, with ideas, with thoughts, with a home. So they say the earth itself is a being. It becomes very obvious. I'm no astrologer. I'll tell you a good story. what Parashara thinks of you. Now, Parashara was the father of the person they say scribed

1:38:31 rising star, and from that star we can calculate your chart. I've been through some very powerful astrologers, palm readers, but I'm less known No, I believe Ganesh could be. I think psychedelia can bring you into this otherworldly realms. But they talk about whole mandalas or disks of layers of hells. You get some good or bad karma. So according to how we behave in this world, we're perpetuating ourselves, we're going way low. Or we sort of go high.

1:41:46 don't learn a lesson i gotta get that same lesson again you know what i mean yeah i've had this conversation with someone about the idea that you will live your life over and over and over again Maybe his life's not as good as yours. I enjoy reading. of what is the correct thing to do what's the best thing to do for everybody what's the the moral the ethical thing

1:44:05 john jock machado who was right he's a cousin of the gracies like they're all they're all Their whole family is filled with champions. Oh, really? I know he went. He's Hoyler Gracie. Yes. Like his music was. I was there on the side of the mat watching, Let me tell you what happened. And he pointed to Jamie, who was right there in his corner. really messed up um but when you guys came back that day it was unbelievable it was pandemonium

1:48:11 because Hoyler was the multiple time He had competed in MMA a little bit, but Hoyce obviously accomplished the most in jiu-jitsu in MMA. And when he was competing, everybody watched. And I'm going, holy shit. People stunned. and there's hope for me back then breaks your hope in God. And he just got that brown belt. Look at how he's squeezing the head there.

1:50:57 It's crazy I can't believe I won. which is, you know, in a vulnerable position. If you don't know him, he seems like, who's this big mouth, boisterous. moments in your life where you just realize like wow like things are possible that was a possible And I, This fucking person knows who I am. often more prevalent in people who are legitimately talented. And for some strange reason, because when you're legitimately talented,

1:54:26 Like, the worst thing a comedian can be in the beginning is sure of themselves and then incompetent at the same time. You have this sort of artificial image of the world that you've put up. It fucks up the vibe for the audience. and you can't be thinking about yourself too much and you can't be pleased with yourself can't be You've got to keep working at it. It's like a sick type of perfectionism. someone would i don't remember how we even got onto this but that imposter syndrome exists because

1:57:28 You think the Bhagavad Gita is going to be like, You just have to get out of your ego with this you know And I was like, oh shit, everything I do is to be God. It's so interesting. It's been sort of a little bit Americanized, but it's good, and it's great. and one particular holy place And in my brain I was like, I have to sing because that's what they're ordering me to do.

2:00:31 Can I do that sort of as an offering where I feel like people are going to walk away with something and they're going to be changed a little. on to praise because praise exacerbates the ego. but they also taught me a lesson. How can I use everything I've got gifted for my own self-aggrandizement? And now you don't give up those qualities that you have,

2:02:58 it correctly is you have you can't you can't go out there with ego. You'll turn people off. They won't feel it. I would notice, this is humiliating to mention, but I will. If I wasn't doing it in a mood of Now I'm off stage and I'm a nobody. By the way, Joe, there's an interesting thing I want to mention to you too Because the whole Buddhist and Hindu thing is that I don't want to take birth again.

2:05:17 and then a plane can be wrapped, go to Switzerland or Norway where the currency is strong And therefore the impetus to get out of samsara, you know, this word repeated birth and death. But my point was this journey is enjoyable. Sure. and sometimes it's painful sometimes it's emotionally devastating for sure but the idea if you are alive and enjoying life the idea of doing it forever

2:08:51 A lot of people have had a traumatic life. infinitely better than most people on planet sure you know that's just we're really fortunate in get born as joe rogan again living a parallel life and like oh i didn't take out the garbage So you feel like – And this is a belief system that you just sort of adopt because there's not really any evidence. I've witnessed my mind change, my intelligence change.

2:12:32 the plane journey is our karma. things of the whole culture is based to keep the mind peaceful. And when the mind is peaceful, I act less on impetus and more from a higher chakras And sometimes I feel that also. I say, don't you understand? to either upgrade your activities you've done in a past life sure so that's a that's a bigger leap of faith but and you say i see it in

2:14:42 It's an interesting lens. anybody. I probably did something... was rude or cruel or thoughtless. And it's trying to, we're all trying to relay what we've learned and what we've experienced personally. yamas and niyamas but if it wasn't there, it'd be complete tragedy. That in itself is not spiritual. But then there's dharma that's supposed to get us connected.

2:18:53 And you're a great leader. benevolent effect on everyone it touches that's dharma that's that's dharma in its true sense You can change. It's not about joining the same church or the same ashram. It's like a soul is a soul. It's like truth. That's going to be the food for the soul. I'm driving my car everywhere. Are we fit off the road? You do your podcast every day?

2:21:32 And so we do it together. peterson podcast through zoom i saw that yeah great it works you can do it it's weird though Yes, for sure. made a, by the way, I know. And I'm like an archaeologist who's just brushing the dirt away. Michelangelo described it like that. for like four or five days now and I've been working on it i feel like uh like it was a gift i don't i mean i

2:25:02 From your thoughts. And then I say it and then I start laughing. the more effect it has on people, but the less effect it has on me. But conversely Or it's like That's what it is Just doing his duty Could be real. i was like damn that's so real can i tell you this crazy one sure i i don't want to tell too much about the details because i don't want to

2:28:17 So everyone would have to give their, and he wouldn't do their whole chart, And she grew up in a very wealthy family. So they offered her a massive amount of money for these photos. So I know the story and And the astrologer very humbly just goes, it's been known since your birth. Right? of the things that yoga really helps when one of the ways that yoga helps your karma is yoga relaxes you to consequences and to

2:32:05 gonna get arrested like you're right you slammed into me you don't have a license you're not even you are focused How were you attacked? People loved us. You could drive the car in the van in the club, And I was like, oh. anxiety. And all of a sudden, the bad guys, their car drives into the club and parks like a T And he just goes in a really serious

2:35:59 where you don't expect it and you expect it What are we going to do? Jesus Christ. And we all started chanting these mantras to Nishringa Dev, who's an avatar of Vishnu. It's not like let's beat up monk day. So it was sort of like Vishnu, Narayan, Chaitanya, Krishna, Govinda, Gopal. Three times in the head, one on the shoulder, and two in the legs.

2:39:22 Our show was in a ghetto. And I didn't really know what happened, but what was happening was all the I look like, ever see that movie, And I went over to uh some light i saw it looked like a garage where they fix cars or house buses or something when it was open and there was a man in a booth and i said sir you have to call the My mother doesn't know where I am.

2:41:47 this world's like a dream. It seems real, and now it's over. going to fall asleep. And then I won't be in meditation. And I started saying, I said, But they were prayers – I focused a picture of Krishna in my mind, and I started chanting these prayers. So there was no book, there's no teacher, there's no pilgrimage, Like, in that time of great tragedy, I felt connected more than I've ever been connected.

2:44:02 Why do you think that that's real? And what you think is going on in those stories. How does he say it? It's just different people translate it. And in that particular chapter, chapter 11, he's the most, almost intimidating. You know, to even answer the question, My personal opinion is I hear what the stories have to offer. as we go on in this age,

2:47:22 the building of these Vimanas, I don't think it's definitely, I definitely don't know. he could have had i mean it could have been mass psychosis with him and his i mean with two Made no sense. You get into these very interesting like subtle sciences and then you find it's like hard evidence for these things and I don't know what the fuck is happening here.

2:50:21 you liked about me fighting was endurance, flexibility. You always had great cardio. So it's not like I'm a genius. that have made me take a next step. You saw me, you're driving your Porsche and you saw me walking in Manhattan But even still, people get into their egos and they just want to be the knower of directions. So faith isn't just like, I believe.

2:53:36 And like I said, sometimes things didn't make sense. He's like, no other we do other things and i just couldn't understand that as a 17 year old boy or 18 year old boy i couldn't understand why would you be At time in my life, it made no sense whatsoever. Maybe there was trauma. Yeah. We train ourselves to find the differences in all of them. Everyone's on a type of path

2:56:20 that we have it our way. It will sneak in. You're doing great stuff.