Joe Rogan Experience #1435 — Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr. Transcript

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0:00 Hello, everybody. Me too. So much. I love this song. I'm so scared. Kicking and screaming, stuck on your leash Yeah, to hell with it then, yeah. Damned if I give in and damned if I don't Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This'll bury me one day On Sunday, Mama, won't you pray for me? So bury me one day on Sunday, Mama, won't you pray for me? Chaining me up and set me free

4:46 Yeah. Not many. Nothing before that one moment? Because you tweeted or you posted it on your Instagram, You might have just went to bed, like, four hours ago, right? There was something special It's okay. It's very different. I have no idea. you know what i mean dude that did you guys together with ben there was it was ben oh yeah Thank you. It's a nice one.

8:16 And then we were brought in by Gary to do this after party sponsored by Jameson. graffiti and dudes are lifting and closing garage doors in the middle of the night. And then call it. meth whatever they were smoking they were smoking something and they were just doing it openly in It's very strange. It's like there's Yeah, but you hang there, but you don't live there.

10:06 That's right, you and Brad Pitt and your dream. isn't going to come true. If you're a fan It was tough. Because, you know, way before my time. Yeah. Yeah. But he's grandfathered in. and the heart Right? Yeah, I want to see the bad guys get the shit kicked out of them. i would love to i met him at the comedy store he's super nice cool uh but he makes madness you

13:50 I think you get a better knowledge of music than I do. He's humble, folks. I really, like, love it. Do you find a struggle between being a person who concentrates on one aspect of music That makes sense because it's such a crazy motion. You're going gonna be okay It's such a weepy instrument Could you imagine being there when the first person sat down at the piano and was like.

16:06 I only hope that'll be my future. Yeah. It's funny how that stuff manifests today. It's just a pattern of human behavior. Chaos ensues. You know, and it's hard to put things into perspective, too. every year from cigarettes? catching the coronavirus. So fucked. Man. And I was like, oh, I get it. That nicotine actually enhances brain function. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That it has a similarotropic that it actually nicotine actually enhances brain function

19:40 able to pull words quicker well here's a crazy story. I don't think so. You don't think so? when she was like in her 40s. uncle george and she smoked a cigarette outside and waited for him and went to the hospital sure I'm a doctor. that flows in your organs. Yeah, right. He didn't give a fuck. what gambling addiction is. He couldn't stop gambling.

22:40 this fucking guy couldn't stop gambling all day long and And then I started to study him as his friend. Well, like the old folks that like the slot machine addiction, also have screen addictions on like tablets and stuff like that yeah yeah but Is this from comedy stuff? Yeah, but it was just being around weirdos. And you were like, we're very serious.

24:27 That was the first time I was ever. like gambling addictions oh the addiction like a drug Like, fuck. A big time gambler? Even if it's $100 then. 100%. Yeah. It has to be fun. Some dudes could lose 20 bucks and be pissed at you for a year. think that's what poker is it's like part like amateur psychic part a game of of craft and skill someone looking into their eyes.

27:28 I'm like, yep, I get it. I feel like I can get out of here. Yeah, look at this thing around his neck, the beads. You know who does that? Poker or pool? killer post poker player like a legit one yeah he gets an old world series i feel like you'd be Probably not. It'd be really fun to have you there. Like, I've been told to try golf, and I'm like, I'm not interested.

29:31 I don't got time. workout element to it like do you i guess you're walking if you're poor because you got to carry They love it. I get it. That seems to me a recipe for meniscus damage that I need for other stupid shit I do. That'd be a major hit. Okay. Maybe. Or men. No. their voices or like instruments or what they can do it i can't do it with my voice clearly i don't

32:55 I know. It's crazy. but it's an art form and you're like attracted to them yeah but then someone figured out how to make a fucking guitar and no one's topped that shit That's some cat gut. I feel like I should know this Was it the Egyptians that we know of? to the construction of the pyramids what What? Yes. What? Yes. And she died closer, again, closer to the iPhone. It was like she died the first couple centuries or something, A.D.

35:51 It sounds ridiculous when you talk about it. We can send video through the sky. Even dolphins. We don't even know what it is. We make crazy shit. Everything else is just fucking and eating. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every song that you've ever written and sang. something's giving you a gift yes like a chant like it was a channel of sorts like yes but at

38:45 They're like, it's coming out of nowhere. And that would be like, if someone told you that there was a God doing that, you're like, creativity like pops up and you don't know And there was all this shit falling into this hole from somewhere. I love Rick and Morty so much. Wow. because you realize like what it is there's this weird thing that tries to keep people from being

42:15 yeah but you know what today i'm gonna do this i'm gonna you know you know what i gotta i gotta really excited to work hard and get going again and some people fall too far into one way or the other and there's like a We're all going to talk for a long time. Like, let's hang out and like find the thing where I think sometimes I've felt like when I've played with people that I know I'm going to get so much shit for this.

44:37 brilliant, but the vibe is say. I don't want to, but I think We're not, no. move yourself sometimes you'd have to just like you know get yourself in that place and i think So the noise goes away a little bit less. That little piece of you at the top is like, that they're not taking the time to sit back and listen And be like, yo, I just crushed this thing without accepting the fact that we're a collective here.

47:41 your ability to shut the fuck up and look at the world and draw inspiration from the world. It's like just who am I? Oh, no. It's the only word for that spot. That's a fucking amazing song. Oh, God. You have a sound, man. into the amp and you were doing You know, I have video of you playing, and I love it because you're just so sweaty. like md-ing the whole the whole night and all this stuff and so i was like gary can't make it

52:15 if i haven't sent it to you i have to because it's so great and you're just fucking shredding Yeah, I'm so stoked, man. house I mean stop and think about I mean there's the vocals for sure there's and kickstart I don't want to work out I think about Some of us have an outer bitch too. Let's just have a, Yeah. You know, in all transparency though, the per the workout you know portion of this conversation i definitely at this point in my life work out harder than i ever did in my 20s

55:18 And I used to be pretty lazy with it, with working out. effort, you know. Yeah, I think the real problem is drinking and not working out. But it's, I mean, so many people that are suffering from depression that don't work There's so many videos online. you know and that's what people there's people that make rationalizations and they base those There's so many people that, you know, I think we have requirements.

57:41 do something physically difficult so that your body gets its demands and you can see things more clearly. Like these folks, they have each other's backs. Yeah, my friends are into that. that's so funny there's something about people making fun of people that they think is effective we're all in this fucking struggle together yeah 90 minutes of bullshit yeah no speaking of yoga i took a yoga class

1:00:15 Love you, buddy. He has the most preposterous suggestions for the future in the world. I don't know. I took the fake salami challenge. That's Duncan. Duncan and I became friends when he worked at the comedy store. fucking hours. doing gigs together. No, but he Get out of there. It sounds commercial because I do commercials for them, but it's real. You know they had medical weed licenses for people in California.

1:03:13 man gets shakes. It's a good story. Well done. were also no limitations into what it took to become a rabbi. That's a good move. Can you be an honorary doctor? That's kind of like in the Terrence McKenna book, True Hallucinations, where he is studying. I don't necessarily—I mess that up with Food of the Gods, too, all the time. Does that make sense?

1:06:12 He was into that with almost every religious community. And that psychedelic mushrooms exist in other planets and they came over here on asteroids and slammed into the earth. haven't done I'm if you haven't done enough I'm not mad at that you and just I have no idea what I'm really talking about. because it existed all around us. terms i say semi because i don't know what the fuck he really meant but the way he explained

1:08:51 And it makes me feel like I haven't lived at all. like he crossed over to the other side and then he came back i mean i've never done like i've never Yeah, because if he was by himself, would he have remembered to eat? speech and like why it could have been connected to psilocybin and the impact that psilocybin has tours i know i don't know why i just decided to choose that this was the time to not talk about mushrooms but like when i was sad after tours like i don't know gary if you if you get like this but i'd

1:11:45 wouldn't even trip i would just take a little bit of you know and i i think there's obviously like Well, we definitely had a little bit to drink. MDMA and soldiers? Right. It keeps a lot of people healthy. But they also are invested in making tremendous amounts of money. with the night and in and out. And it was a it is and was a really tough way to live. You know,

1:14:52 And it comes with a tablet that is basically bouncing sound waves off of your skull. You don't have any marijuana. in over a decade i'm sleeping through the night whoa like like i never was i mean obviously if like my anxiety is kind of chilled out. Which I have. or just high stress levels. And Kat actually wound up winning the fight, but she got battered in the first round, like really bad.

1:17:32 And I can't remember the name of the place. that's amazing that's's so nice to hear. Sarah said it's C-E-R-E-S-E-T. and knew how bad my insomnia was. and relieve us from all the pain and suffering that it is to be human? That's one of the theories that has always been bounced around. And we're going to do it through electronics. ability to access information.

1:19:48 I mean, you don't think this is a simulation right now? It's weird. Yeah. Some of this stuff is so overwhelming, the way we're changing so quickly. What the fuck is that? Gary's empty. Thank God. You're fine. Do you want to open up this stuff? Thank you, kind sir. and shit. Oh, yeah? Did I ever tell you the story on the staff. because they were kind of perilously close

1:24:00 Hendrix. Anyway, he was telling me about when he was a teenager that he worked with Jimi Hendrix. So when he was a teenager. How old was Phil? and his job is to make sure that the speaker doesn't fall into the crowd. There was just Hendrix, and everything else is like, of you like a hendrix didn't exist before there was no there's no pre-hendrix there's just hendrix

1:26:03 he knew at the time that that was like? That's a good question. and stuff, Right on. Quit drawing attention to yourself. One of my favorite influences of Jimi Hendrix is Steve Ray Vaughan. is fucking slamming Voodoo Child is amazing yeah it's a tribute Yeah. Oh, wow. Gary, come on. Yeah. Yeah. It's so hot. I'm not going to get political. I mean, you can't even go outside

1:29:33 Get a sauna in your house I love doing stand up there You get on the highway, you're like, oh, the word got out. Austin is a weird spot, right? It's weird. Oh, yeah. How do I feel about it? I grew up there. and have these people from all over the place come in. Right. you know it almost feels kind of global did you do that did you Between four people.

1:32:21 Two thousand ten. 2010 changed my whole Eric Clapton right on. you know, Damn, that's good. That's a good attitude. I salute It's not what's happening. Yeah, it's a weird thing. They didn't work out. Yeah. You heard me. stay alive we're trying to not eat too much oh my god it's so hard crazy no i mean like let's take a minute it's so funny but you know how hard it is to not eat

1:36:15 It recharges your brain. I don't know about that. What narrative do you not like? you know right now Yeah, well, we're figuring it out, you know. you know, And then folks are like, I feel pretty good about what I'm doing. I don't think I should be doing something else, when i look at it i feel like it's a big ship that had to cut parts of itself off.

1:39:34 to do like being attached to this group's not doing it being attached that group's not doing And then they go, that's sweet. what i love that's all i want you know and it's it's fucking hard i know it's hard but it's also What's the major function of a record label like an initial investment and then based on return from ticket sales right so yeah so like

1:41:50 So it puts this extra pressure on you to figure out what you need to do to make it. I would imagine it would be hard to be free and creative It depends on the company. like they would own have someone else and distribution companies Jesus Christ. Holy shit Trying to get If you just look Because I'll find out about it, podcasts find out about it, Whereas if you do it with a label, you have to – so many people have to be – and there's nothing wrong with it.

1:46:13 And if they're scared and they go in in this way that it's not like it doesn't hit or something, like they drop you fast. Well, you remember when Prince had to change his name to a fucking symbol? Come on. We were talking about transphobia, homophobia. And you ain't going to say shit because my fucking music is so good. he was on another planet He's like,

1:48:07 So my bad work out tomorrow. Actually, let's I was worried I hurt something. It is. Okay, when was the last time you guys went to pukey town from drinking too much? How about this? Of course, right? Oh, my God. And then I'm in the bathroom at't get that shit, bitch. And you sure did. Of course. And I'm like, all right, let's make myself puke. I mean fucking cartoonish like down to the core of my lower spinal column. Like, whoa!

1:50:40 And on the way home, I was like, keep it together, bitch. It's a very advanced ride. Yeah, I've had a show like that. and we look at each other like at At the same time, no words. Hey, guys, you guys ready to go? Nah. A couple of friends of mine, these guys in my band, had some oysters. No. is actually contagious right right then everybody gets And they had a bucket for me backstage in case I needed a ditch.

1:54:02 Just want you to know we're going to give you the best show we can. And we had this whole thing. A part of me wonders if it was some weird mental thing. You just don't have a reason to go. that you get when Kickstart My Heart comes on It is. What is that fucking quote? It's a fucking drug. I have always needed fuel. But, you know, music as a writer and as a listener has saved my life.

1:57:12 They have some Music gets them through While they're working. No music? music score through whatever yeah for real Get out of here. he keeps doing what he's doing because if that guy runs for president he's gonna He does. So the audience is just in a coma by the time they get up. The way they get their message is so fucking boring. Who are you? Why are you lying about

2:00:42 That kind of person is the future That's the problem. They're like, Mom, you've got to be more sincere. That's the problem. This is nonsense. funny and he always had these brilliant punch lines and he inspired a whole gigantic slew But the problem is but if you want to run the fucking free world He might be crazy. It might be madness. You know what I'd like?

2:03:12 Dude, man. Each other. You know, like, in this way that I think they all have strengths. I think that it's a really scary time and Trump is terrifying. Gary Clark wins this one. You guys talk amongst each other. He's running in his sport shorts. how good looking you are? Well, your mom's sweet. I love my life. Wow. Well, what should we talk about? I mean, yeah, antlers.

2:05:50 Me too. You know what I mean? Sauna. Uh-huh. Crash, my man. And I started to go for the door I really hit a wall. That's so ridiculous ridiculous I failed my first float tank I did like 2.30 That's going to come back to haunt me. she was the navy seal she's like suck my dick and it was like damn i love it i think it's Back in the Honey Honey days, I did have a nickname, and it was Suck My Dick Suze.

2:09:48 Impossible. my dick. We could hit the rocks and then have to bounce back. Boom. appropriating a penis I played okay I've always wanted to be good at chess. Yeah, I guess so. that's universally respected. they'll fuck you up My dear landlord slash friend invited me downstairs to play this game that was created by the Rich Dad Poor Dad author. an adult monopoly okay adult and you get out of the rat race i'm always scared when i play

2:13:19 in a way that you can live a healthier life. That ship has sailed because it's like out of my immediate family's hands. And obviously you need money to survive. Yeah. There's what you can do and there's what's humanly possible for you to do. you want to do and they don't always go together sometimes what you can do, what's possible, and what you want to do.

2:16:48 is bullshit. I was like, Good night. Bye You shoot at them. Yeah, the minute you stop obsessing about it, it stops becoming a problem. all the things start. Desperate people. And I feel really grateful for that. These times you're going to look back on. They're gone, they're gone forever. And I. There's plenty of those. Do not have a wad of pocket money to go to visit this lady.

2:19:54 and you can play off of 40 bucks It's fun. John Spiker had a VR helmet, and I was with him and his wife in Lake Arrowhead, and we were drunk and having fun. like that's scary that's where we're at oh yeah that's where the future is because right now it's And everything was really, really, really pixelated. I was like, holy fuck, dude. It was amazing.

2:22:46 Don't they have VR workouts like you do? and there's a big Russian dude Can you feel? Do you ever feel like the more. Dreamscape, they have it in Century City. They have a little guy working there, and he's got a little foam rubber thing, When it's complicated. speeding up we're still going to be alive apparently probably according to this dude That shit's already available.

2:25:32 We're limited to what we understand Until the VR gives you the breath, the wind on your face, and the fucking heat from the pyrotechnics or whatever. a more immersive experience It sucks. No, go ahead. No, you first. No, go ahead. Can I close? Like you can get all the effects of the sensory stuff with the sound and the visual and maybe even have machinery that gives you physical like air or heat or cold or whatever would, you know, simulate that thing.

2:27:32 I completely agree with you, but I don't. Tupac was super jacked. and get that same exact experience if you were at home You can't simulate that. Nothing's better than real intimacy. You're so right. I can't. I think this is just a problem and a puzzle. and sucking all the tuna out of the ocean. like i mean i don't want to suffer and like burn in like nuclear like you know waste and and be

2:30:58 like this is what I've always said See ya. Suzanne, shut the pod bay door. He's in the best shape of all of us, though. Like you did the same time last year? It's effective, but it must be done daily. It's effective Paraphrase that Is Zig Ziglar He's the best. Just something that takes your brain away from what you're concentrating on currently. Just like you develop a new story or inspiration or like even just like jargon.

2:33:54 Life on the Taiga. and some of them go out and pick pine nuts, They run nets through the ice in order to catch pike. whole year. The river. The fucking river! Like, imagine what these people's lives were like. It's like love, sust. No, I think that it's simplicity. It is simplicity. Yeah, isolation. You know what I loved about your Bernie Sanders episode was he said that there's an epidemic in this country, and it's a lack of community.

2:36:42 where I get my coffee. It does. why it's dangerous to get lumped up in groups because some groups are toxic. I think we all do that. Yeah, it is so simple. I love where I'm from. Oh, shit. What's that? Sorry, tag team, Ohioan. But he's a great guy. Yeah, sure did. Oh, that's not live? look I want to get into the UFC I'm going to be on tour. Yeah, I do, actually.

2:40:41 God damn it. son of a bitch well played you assholes some pretty great folks in LA Like it's nonstop and like the physical feat of and I grew up playing soccer, so I love to watch it. fun of me all you want. Look at that gorgeous stadium. Listen, we're not interested in changing the name of football. I think if they were real men, they'd take those fucking helmets off.

2:42:53 These are just jokes. Wear more pads. Oh my God, you're so fucked. and make this fun It would get some views. One of the problems when they first started inventing football is the Native American teams would fuck land got stolen. Yeah. It's the male equivalent of a push-up bra. Bro. I'm going to duck out for a second. We're like three and a half hours in.

2:46:10 They don't have to listen. You can't have your podcast four hours long. I was just stubborn. what you're doing, my friend. So good. How fun was that? So good. No. at that one point where he did like an 11-minute guitar solo and was shredding it. First of all, I fucking love him On the road with him right now I don't know if he has text he's like motherfucker i lost 20 pounds I'm ready to do Some fucking arenas

2:49:11 Because we're going Suzanne good luck She said, I don't know what's going to happen. I saw you guys hanging. And I said, hey, I go, come on down. And they're like But and then Yeah man But I was the one He sent it to me Of course. I agree with you. I mean, a whole lot of Rosie. I'm a big fan of the friendly, like, come on, help. I will say, I feel like you're the only person,

2:52:56 oh my god it fell off That was the Terrence McKenna thing, the end of the Mayan calendar. It wasn't the Mayan calendar? This is what happened And they would indicate method of divination that's more than a thousand to recognize that time All right. And in Terrence's life, he believed that time this 1970 Barracuda. if I'm going to die, I'm going to be with

2:56:11 You were like, happy New Year, motherfuckers. Yeah. Yes. Just me and Stanhope. End of the World podcast at the We're going to do another Who knows This system that we're on, this fucking clock that we're on, it's not good for anybody. And they know it. Fear is the mind killer. Whoa. what mind mind control over giant groups of people Suzanne, we hit the perfect podcast.

2:59:08 Well, we could play the single I don't want to hotbox you, Oh, my man. There's real pros. I'm an amateur. It's been there forever. I would light it if he asked me to out of respect and Cheech I know you. Remember that shit? Plymouth barracudas discontinued 1974. But he was on a... It's not real. Listen. My God. He went hard. We have a fan. This room is set up for smokers. How do you, Gary. We have a machine. There's no roof here. We have a fan.

3:02:18 Wow. So I bought him, I bought an air machine. So fire up that spliff, kind sir. That fucking dude, he eats 1,000 milligrams of THC. Excuse me. And also inspired. But if a sheep gets a hold of it, Jesus. And then I hear like, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. Oh, no. I'd like to at some point. Do not say that over the air. fucking law enforcement.

3:05:27 Just hug him. You just run up on him. All cops. Why are you playing games? Agreed. I think every way that we know of that's beneficial Agreed. Mushrooms are one of those plays. I wouldn't like that shit at all. when your car synced up to Bluetooth? come up like one of the first things when i got in my car that's the one to play sorry well it's Do you know what I watched the other day?

3:08:51 No, you've got to do what you've got to do. That's freedom. Can we play any of this or we get in trouble? Yeah, I'm out of luck. He's like, yep, got it. Yes. Yes. Just crushing it. Not a thing. Jesus, woman. Soothe yourself by looking at his outfit. James Brown could wear anything. I thought about it. I think, like, sexuality and individuality in a lot of ways have been exacerbated.

3:12:51 No growth hormone. There he is. What do you mean? Why is he doing that? You know what's funny about that? Young Jamie? So he's 42, yeah? The new thing was this fucking insane supernatural sex appeal star with tassels on his pants doing fake karate, Could you imagine? But Michael Jackson said, and the barriers that you've broken but he was actually trained by Ed Parker,

3:15:47 It's a great moment in history. Remember? Does he really? There's a whole video online where you see him in his estate in Brazil riding horses They sent you to South America. Bro, you need to go to Brazil yeah he's so talented there's a documentary on it like what these things in his house mean to him like what like little pieces of I'm gonna have my whole band stay over

3:18:27 The song you made Still slinging Yeah, 76. Here's the thing. I think that that's the anti-aging contingency is propagating joy. What an asshole. You got to keep this boat on the river. Look at him. Do you guys dance? Gary that is awesome. get out and make it. But like- It's true. And he's like, I never thought you'd be into that's not what I'm into. This is what I'm really

3:21:35 in our neighborhoods, like we were talking about, struggling and the people that are just trying to put food on the table and keep a home heated. It is if they're ignorant. There's not much difference between those. There's certain things you can't get past. like let's all do good we need to kill them and drown them they're they're not the bad guy it's like it's like

3:24:04 I mean, is that the real number, million people just in America? I think we just have to look at it the right way. The problem is we look at it like it's a negative, like somehow or another it's a weakness. That's the thing. It keeps them fed. And that's what everybody's wary about for a good reason. And then you can also take care of yourself and each other and recognize your neighbors and recognize your community and kind of build from the ground up.

3:27:12 best for yourself and you go it's going to work itself out it's going to sort itself out and if What if you're just really, really, really, really? stifle people's you're going to help. You're going to help. We're not stealing any money. they're going to come steal your money. It's like, no, you're going to help. Some people get fucked when they're really young.

3:28:59 what's your intentions is your intentions to make the community a better place for everybody and and you're going to feel really uncomfortable And it plays on that part of the human psyche that wants to be a part of a team and attack opposing ideas. It's all eroding before our eyes. You said this earlier, and music and art and things that are cohesive in communal environments and helping people come together.

3:31:09 you could make fun of me. And it is love. And like at the end of the day, this stuff like where we're at is a scary place. it is a weird world and people can tip left or right or that's a bad analogy people can tip That's right. sorry it's not just okay to be wrong it's a gift when you're wrong it's a It's a foolish pursuit. fucking dummy. I do my any value in pretending you didn't make

3:35:32 high school high school for sure they should have said your your failures those feelings that you Whatever the fuck it is, that negative feeling pain, that feeling, that embarrassment, at the same time? Well, we're just nervous. It's not that we can't just be accountable and strong at the same time. It fucking boggles my mind. It's just because we're

3:37:23 And you were just slightly shy of being comfortable, and you knew this fucking lazy motherfucker, I get it. that are on some sort of assistance, money right so it's only when you're desperate so the question is like how do we engineer society above the idea that you have to survive need a job. We're going to give you the money. But understand, if you're lucky, you live 80 years.

3:40:01 fucking gross we should have people shitting in the street in San Francisco. That's fucking gross. hoses out there. Where's that shit going? We tried to trace that, right? It's like the human equivalent of throwing a cigarette out your window on the highway. yeah that but i think what you were talking about it's like you think it's a choice or whatever you think,

3:42:47 Thank you. that we'd like to eat or the places we like to dress or the style that we like to eat It's the same in your neighbor. We're all the same going through this weird, strange existence. You were a fucking nothing 14 billion years ago. Even if it's not, it still is. Even if it's not. Even if this is real, it's still a simulation. Because a sun exploded.

3:44:30 Moby. I thought for sure we were all stars. I hurt myself. Safe place. I got to say, I was like, okay. don't get wrong Yeah, it's about as good as a podcast can get. This is a more than four and a half hour podcast. We're all good. That might have been fueled by some. Who doesn't, bro? Sounds like this. Oh, shit. Depends on how much... Suzanne Santo.

3:47:59 When you put yourself right up against my back Trying to bring me to my knees