Joe Rogan Experience #1451 — Dr. Peter Hotez Transcript

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0:00 Dr. Hotez, how are you, sir? especially in these trying times? I think it was meant in a good-natured way i'm sure uh so we don't And now, obviously, New York City shut down. coronavirus infection in 2012. And this is the third one. So we actually realized that SARS-2 so there was SARS-1 then MERS then SARS-2 so both SARS-1 and MERS made you so sick and had

3:53 So what you have is you have a group of people who are getting very sick So that's what's playing out in New York City right now, for instance. are under the age of 40 or 44. So between 20 and 44 young adults are getting very sick and that word and they really need to hear that they're at risk for severe illness, despite what they might have heard previously.

6:42 Michael's 45 years old, very healthy, very robust guy. So when he binds to receptors on the cells of your the other thing joe is anything we say today uh i might look like the biggest idiot in the world So it's really important that everybody be really mindful and pay attention to real health information from accurate sources because things move, things change as we learn more about this.

9:23 The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. that it is, everyone's learning. And so we keep we and then who knows what happens when this virus goes into Latin both including viruses and bacteria that behave differently depending on a person's blood type. I think what's happened there is when the health system gets so overwhelmed that so many, But I'll hold that thought for a second.

13:12 of people getting infected. Number one, it overwhelmed the health system, just like in Italy. poverty with underlying diabetes and hypertension and that's causing that to to skyrocket so you smoke, young people, old people. It seemed like a large percentage of the population smoked. The one question that we don't know is what does vaping do? people are dealing with a lot of misinformation, which is one of the reasons, one of many reasons

16:17 That's been really interesting. But I love the opportunity. Koi pond cleaner? Okay, so let me give you the framework for that so it makes some sense. could be longer than that next tier down are what we call small That's not the lowest hanging fruit, but the next lowest hanging fruit. lupus and other autoimmune diseases you can make make a bucket of it. It's cheap. We know the safety profile. We know it can cause

19:54 scientist he's a very serious scientist in marseille in france named didier raoul and he's we've got the miracle cure. Now, in terms of vaccines... from the disease who had got infected they survived they had antibodies in their blood The antibodies won't last forever, but enough to help you survive the infection. So I've been trying to use my voice on, you know, being on CNN and Fox News.

24:08 I've been talking with Peter Marks, Dr. Peter Marks, who's the head of CBER, could you use it in smaller doses to give the antibody to healthcare workers and to first responders to prevent them from getting sick? Because you're Are people currently using that in the United States? dose, it's not going to work, how you pair it with the Zithromax. So it's going to take a little bit

26:42 initial vaccine trials started by a American company We sent in the Screaming Eagles, which made a big impact on helping to save West Africa from this infection. under conditions of terrible conflict and war and political strife and civil war, That's five years. Or do you think that these people had false negatives? deep in the lungs. And the testing for those viruses is a mess because, number one, you're often not actually culturing the virus.

30:47 into this for a few years now, not necessarily for coronavirus, but for other respiratory viruses. The CDC might have worked it out and get it perfect, and it just took longer than perhaps they expected. And a lot of that was led by a friend and colleague of mine david hayman who's now at the And we've been doing this for parasitic disease vaccines.

33:47 always scrambling for funds. I mean, even now, when we've got two vaccines, we're ready to move so far, we've had some good responses in terms of our vaccine. We've gotten And then all the calls and everything else. largely closed down at baylor and texas children we got special permission because they're working They're presumably not getting a paycheck or all those things.

37:19 Yeah, no, it's just so heartbreaking. That's when quarantine was invented. and some of them were pretty aggressive that you couldn't even do in the United States, to that point after we finish this as opposed to in southern china and other places in china We're seeing the big surges in ICU patients more in cities and rural areas, although Dr. Fauci,

40:45 sudden we've had all of these people show up in in the eye in the icu so that's a another lesson They do all these amazing things to look at the not only epidemic diseases, but also chronic non-communicable diseases, diabetes and heart It's probably going to be around May 2nd. And my point is, well, April 30th, things are still going to be peaking in parts of the country.

43:33 we don't make the decisions. So, although not entirely true, because we can make, we can So the number right now is between two and four, depending on whose numbers you look at. year round. So we don't really understand seasonality. well well again the problem gets to the fact that um you know, again, there's this idea that this is only among older Americans

47:04 So infants are at risk It's a lot more than I ever thought before. So that's an important message to get out. and therefore it's partially protective and can have a partial effect. I think it's probably, I like the Institute for Health Metrics numbers that just came out. They I think people are concerned that this is kind of setting a precedent and that this is going to be

51:28 We need to have a pipeline of technologies getting ready for this epidemic. in the g20 countries the g20 economies the 20 wealthiest economies especially the poor that this virus is Don't smoke. Now, as far as yourself, I joked around about the fast food stuff because we joked around about that last time you were here. who are getting sick that you know i just don't even want to eat and i don't sleep much either

56:18 therapists they're just getting so hammered you know and a lot of them are my former students my medical students uh and cornell and nyu and Einstein. It's fantastic The lack of sleep also has a big impact on the I mean, I've been on everything from Chris Hayes to Tucker Carlson to Hannity and, you know, how many people do that, right? in the public library of science and plus biology about how the fact that scientists are invisible and are enabling for anti-science movements to rise.

59:43 So you can't even take a nap sometimes. Talk about that and what, if anything, can be done to try to heal those people post-infection. is getting into the lungs and that triggers The other thing that's happening besides and that's causing severe lung disease and there's And I check it every morning. what's called myocarditis actual infection of the heart so it's really the heart and lungs that are

1:03:44 Yeah, I think there's a question of whether steroids actually help or hurt. these people post-infection particularly like damage to the lungs yeah i think you know there viral pneumonias, it's not because they're still infected with the virus. It's all that scarring Just trying to buy time. So, you know, the flagship journals like New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, JAMA,

1:06:30 understanding and appreciation for the science behind dealing with these diseases, know, right into the belly of the beast, you know, people, you know, who might have subspecialty And how do we avoid this again? But when all this is said and done, it has to be done in the right spirit, very conservative Republican senator, I can't tell you how important it is to use your voice to amplify a straightforward discussion about this epidemic.

1:11:14 So I'm very grateful for the opportunity. All right.