Joe Rogan Experience #1453 — Eric Weinstein Transcript

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0:00 What's up, brother? This lockdown shit. Me too. We have a viable treatment. I know, but I think everybody's losing their shit. if it was possible to live without this stuff, that would be one thing. But the 75 year nap that I'm impressed with the people that are recognizing that this is a huge problem. and 57 were sort of the best parallels to this.

3:11 It was bad. I'm 54. And this is bad, but it is also a shot across our bow. China's got its hands lovingly around our throat because our elite have been moving into greater and greater states of China dependence. I went to MIT, and MIT is wildly into BDSM. They love rules. and you don't. And our system was hackable. It was open. For example, if you have a company that has

6:48 So I'm going to put one hat on and tell you, as an American, we must not move all of this over Chicken Little. And so all of our friends, the nutcases, the marginal weirdos, the supposed grifters and gadflies are the people who most got this one right and early. The long-term implications of us all sheltering in place, nobody can compute the consequences of

9:33 Yeah. they're going to get more creative yeah the problem is we are all hooked up to this need Although I would say that many of us are not that excited about the next phone. You bring it in. Because if you were to build the optimal phone and then people stopped renewing everything. So now we have this problem where we don't have the growth Everyone's sort of re-looking at this like, is this life that we've sort of accepted

12:44 That would require so many Yeah, yeah, we'd be fine. We would just entertain each other. And it's almost an exact map of what CBGB did as the Harvard of punk to the comedy stores, Melissa's the worst. By the way, what great stuff she's doing on masks. Right. The heroic impulse. By the way, that was my answer as well. The bullshit needs to leave the room.

16:33 We have to suspend these issues. is a danger to world health, that are I've hung out with her off camera, on camera. Yeah. It may not be her year. Right. She's only 38. She's only 38. I am almost positive that she has the stuff. But they don't want her, which is even more hilarious. racist. Well, the idea that you can put a negative sign in front of Donald Trump and form an opinion

20:17 That's a huge problem if you're lumping me in with. For sure. Very often Fox will pick up on things that we do if they stick it in the eye of the left. Frequent adjective, Fox News contributor, my occupation and then my name. do these seven minute segments interrupted by commercials. you're like yeah good to see you bill he's like i'm here to grovel and ask whether you'll come

23:59 He's a comic. Yeah, I've stopped being nice to these people. And Bill's there on the right side. But to the extent that that was a beachhead to connect these two universes, my model of this is that we've got this traditional legacy world and we've got this sort of internet world that hovers above it. he's talking about. That's what was going on. I mean, he was preparing a guy on steroids that was roid raging at a guy who actually knows what he's talking about.

25:57 Not really. I sort of liken it. The unscrupulous ones Then the problem is, is that if you have a state of pretend, you know, LARPing or kayfabe, whatever you want to call it, that's taking place inside the gated institutional narrative, the institutions are going to predicate their actions on the official nonsense. But as long as the institutions agree to pretend that they believe the bullshit, we have a real problem.

29:21 What's mainstream? Then they figured out phones So I love the point that you're making. or what our farming policy is or how the US military should be deployed and where we should Let's play with it and see where it goes. But is MSNBC – like if someone just goes on the air and talks about something, is that an authoritative source? changing their recommendation saying if you're going out in public it's not just nonsense it's

33:08 So you're back propagating what you wish to be true to get the action that you're looking for. Our heroes are currently exposed to the coronavirus and taking huge amounts of viral load. Okay. Revolt how? children write to me. My mother was asked to do this. My uncle works in a prison. He's not allowed And this can easily lead to war. But if we all have to stay home while they replenish our supplies, then the economy goes into recession.

36:59 every goddamn year just to drill it into your head to make sure it's always fresh. much deliberation, is because Tulsi would know what to do. This is the moment for heads on pikes. They shut things down very Civil Liberties and Team Civil Liberties has to be somewhat nationalistic, Like whenever I'm training a new assistant or something, one of my always best practices is,

40:41 And I believe that past administrations made some good moves and fumbled the ball. And I believe that past administrations made some good moves and fumbled the ball. You're trying to say what would need to be true to get you to do what I want. But is it possible that they're just acting poorly with this mask thing, but that masks actually can contain a lot of viruses and they can hold on to viruses?

42:15 aerosolized or droplets, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And now the two are real, but you're focusing Now, if somebody suddenly found, you know, like all the masks in the world, You don't think that's a lot of what's going on with that? And that we're back propagating our response. How much are we quarantined and how much are we locked And so partially what we're doing is a parallel sense-making operation to the standard media, which is Twitter said we will now be removing tweets if you contradict official authoritative health sources.

45:07 Well, explain that because it's fucking insane. He's like, no, let's go on to the next one. He was asked about the Taiwanese response to the COVID epidemic. And why does the World Health Organization give into that? But it spoke volumes to watch that guy do that and do that little dance, try to avoid saying Taiwan. If you think about like what do you do with Churchill when there isn't a World War II to win?

48:22 He was the one guy who sort of stayed true to the revolutionary spirit. That's a very important parallel to where we are now. Who are the Discipline equals freedom. Well, okay. That's great. This isn't going to be fun. I hear you. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm telling you, man, that doesn't even mean anything. Yes. and did squats for an hour He's that guy. It's like the reason they put up with each other and they don't like indict each other

52:23 And that's one of the things that, one of the reasons why Donald Trump actually got into office is because people looked You know? The whole thing, look, Joe Biden being the main guy is the only reason why they went after Bernie Sanders and went after me. The guy who's the professional politician. They don which is Joe Biden, the guy who's the that you can extract money from people who have no say in the matter. In Washington-

55:08 exposed. Well, here's the weird thing. When Amy Klobuchar dropped out, it was like a baby boomer But we've seen deterioration from Trump, particularly earlier in the first year or two of his term. And that's when he's in front of the camera and he struggles through it. And it sort of scares me. Yes. who had no freedom. And I saw this also in the fall of the Soviet Union. I had a family in Moscow

58:28 And I hear,. And there's a measure of freedom that comes about the rebel end of corporate and the corporate end of rebel. No. So you and I, I think, would be sort of – well, at least I'm wearing a jacket. What am I faking? Bill Maher would straddle corporate end of rebel, rebel end of corporate. like the bad boys and the regular units. The recommended one is octopodes spelled octopodes.

1:00:56 Okay. Sounds good. That's very interesting. You know what Farmer Burns was? that usually has twin attributes, is very dangerous and very boring. Yes. So just to lay this all out, in Japan, He only would have real fights. There was a bunch of people who taught him catch wrestling. Then he winds up tapping. It was pretty common pretty common in pride and this is what happened in the transition in the early 20th century between catch wrestling and

1:05:46 It's a fake real fight that appears to break out of a fake thing that is pretending to. couldn't sort of manage all of the deception. So the two people actually got together. He realized that he was going to be taxed into oblivion. You can't tax us because we aren't actually a sport and you don't have any jurisdiction over us. or not this was true. And he said to me, Eric, you realize who came up with that strategy? Me.

1:08:09 is accusing a professional wrestler of it being fake, But he hits him with an open hand. I mean the guy's career the guy who was the wrestler but he he hits him Yeah, I mean, there it is. is that him right there legendary wrestler Yeah, well, that's his moment. Hulk Hogan put me in a headlock. Hulk had me in a headlock. Yeah. holy fuck on Spike TV it was really interesting

1:11:25 But they don't worry about their self because they put themselves into so much danger. Yes. wrestling is light years ahead and understanding how the human mind actually works because of the Well, for sure, once Trump got into office. or he's not going to prepare you for the great beyond Everyone's doing a great job. No. So then you're going to ask me,

1:15:22 Who do we need? I mean, you're relying entirely on his cabinet. Trump, in a weird way, has just always been this performative, like a fake alpha. Yeah. She was a hot lady back in the day. That's a good question. Whoa. even though she was told that it would kill her brand. And she was tweeting out that she was a huge Sam Harris fan. easy for these people to gain access to ordinary services.

1:19:43 Oh, in terms of mailing lists. If you have PayPal as your payout option, please select a new method and update your information in your model settings tab if you have a pending payment for October blah blah blah blah So in some sense, prostitution adjacent, but not prostitution. I think it's important that we talk about porn. what wow and incest porn is a cancer that i don't think we're even talking about that's gotten

1:22:46 You could do one eye rail, right? Something about a line? What? Okay. But that is impossible. Look, I want to take risk. Tell Jeff to get some of the CBD Kill Cliffs. From the UK. Explain who Amanda Fielding is. Amanda Fielding, Countess Amanda Fielding is the head of the You told me about this. What's the benefit of self-trepanation or trepanation in general?

1:26:53 Why did she do that? Jesus Christ, look at that fucking hole she put in her head. The belief that she had was that your brain, your brain expands to fill your brain case and that when it runs into a hard stop, that the blood circulation has changed and that when I don't know. We've got a great flavor here. Non-psychoactive. She was in fact it could be done

1:29:09 And she said, oh, dosages. outrageous. You'd have to eat pounds of it. And so she changed my mind where I realized that I'd human neurochemistry. She drilled holes in her head. swans. Cheers to that. Does she keep doing it every now and then? Swiss cheese head. Yeah. Yeah. Was this recent? It was here. You said Burning Man. Okay. Oh, that's beautiful.

1:34:09 Great family friend, wonderful Passover and Shabbat dinner guest, and currently in jail for weed. and that we be very gentle and celebratory. Where was he arrested? Yeah, he's in federal prison. from the person a large quantity of it so that he didn't have to go out and get it? Yeah, it is. You know, and I, at some point I was so angry about Alex that I started talking about

1:36:55 They're drugs. Up to a point. And then they've made some drugs that are some of the most powerful drugs in terms of That's a word, right? You know, and I got really high the other day and I made a post on Instagram about Joe Exotic and Donald Trump What is Joe Exotic? where he was talking about the coronavirus and how he's a huge hit and how Donald Trump's raging.

1:39:22 He's a guy who smokes meth. And Tim Dillon actually had sent me this tweet by Trump. Roughly the viewership of the season finale of The Bachelor. Revolution, Joe. I get that. I don't think it's real. I know. They were these badass owls that would fuck up these hawks. Oh, my god. Bunny UFC is so funny. I mean, these weren't like bunnies that didn't know each other, but they would fight to the death and they would like oh well this is not good and they grew up together i mean these weren't like

1:42:53 Yeah. Flatworms have two different life cycles, a male and a female life cycle. And whoever penetrates the other succeeds in what might be termed traumatic insemination. Bed bugs. Is that what they look like? so it's like a needle so they they literally puncture through the thorax with a needle. Oh, there we go. So there's some resource that's allocated between the copulatory equipment and the weaponry that the dung beetle has.

1:46:51 I don't know if it's genetic. you got to go get yourself a monster truck thing. Yeah. If you don't have it going on, you got to go get yourself a monster When I went on a tour of the Vatican, I had a really great guide. Like, what's going on with that? And that they would make them like that on purpose. They were all, they all had little dicks, all of them.

1:49:23 Really? I think that's why they would do that to men. It's got a peni. That's the right way to say it. Was like the way that guy sings because I was aware of castrati's It makes sense. like a normal man. singing like a woman like it's like Yeah. Well, you know what else do you know that okay here's a weird one the rivalry between the yeah I believe that is and just in terms of like the femininity, the elegant nature of these guys and both of them geniuses and they could do anything.

1:53:26 and we need to get back to being ourselves. Now, if you check out... What? permission to marry on the basis of that his castration had been ineffective. That's a great fucking. That might be a story. Oh, we played it on this podcast about a dozen times. There he is. The last castrato. Nobody remembers the Berry Brothers. Yeah, but if you go to the end of this one, I believe. It's pretty awesome.

1:57:02 So they're running up the stairs These guys. Three of them. Was it? What's that? Okay, now go into the middle of it because there's a bunch of setup here. Woo! Wow. Don't do that. Holy shit. You know what I love about this program, Joe, is I get to take stuff like this and blow She kicked him in the balls and sent him flying. Right, and if you want to think about partnerships between men and women

2:00:14 Wow. Have you seen my friend, you should have Alicia Lee on the show. So it's increasingly I just can't. Is this her? One of them confusing people. what other I listened to Werner Herzog he's a very interesting guy Brett episode Brett Weinstein. Oh your brother. No, I did not listen to that one. Okay. I've only listened to Well, I would start with the Brett one.

2:03:37 So if you imagine that your cells can divide a certain number of times, the two things that you have in the end is either you die from immortality, which is Yep. to use the Jackson Laboratory's concept of this, very rapidly So he predicted from first principles. Okay. It could be that so much of the studies that are predicated on these mice tests are useless.

2:06:51 Like the plane? Are you kidding? Brett because he won't tell the story. He's afraid to tell his own life story. Why won't he tell the So I know the events were happening. And then, you know, he became like this obscure professor at some ridiculous college. how much research is compromised by the laboratory breeding protocols and breeding rotations Eric is the biggest dick I've ever heard in my life.

2:11:38 downstream consequences in pharmaceuticals, we need to have an answer. And every answer is interesting. Like if the laboratory Right. which is we are, There are two ways that, section, they probably started as a runaway replicative process that arrested at the border Today's podcast, It's hard not to laugh. This planet has the best beaches. And that became a meme.

2:15:32 Yeah I'm trying to think about See how high they are? a framework that was larger than Einstein's. People often interpret this as what they call Atiyah. And he met me in a bar and he got me a little drunk and he said, OK, what are you really working on? in the modern era confused with the idea of quantizing gravity. But the quantum gravity And so when I saw that they were about to go off a cliff, I switched fields as an undergraduate

2:19:41 Because I don't trust these people. to use their preprint server. publish stories so this way you have All right. could you will into being the hands holding pens using ink to draw each other, right? So let's imagine that you had – okay, we've got four objects here, right? potentially having this conversation in a 14-dimensional world that we perceive back in the stands

2:23:07 space. Can I stop you right there? Why 14 dimensions? Because I'm saying that the fields, So by choosing particular rulers and particular protractors, Einstein is grabbing a tiny filament of the space of all possible rulers and protractors. there's an interaction between what's happening in the stands and what's happening on the floor. and electrons. So that up quarks and down quarks give you protons and neutrons and electrons give

2:26:09 And so one of the aspects of this theory is that the third generation of matter is an imposter. It looks like this generation of matter in terms of its particle personalities, in I think something like 17 minutes on average, half-life. that for the first time showed If you're just looking at your hand, you're trying to figure out why is my hand asymmetrical?

2:29:11 So I often say the wrong things and break rules and who knows what. John Brockman asked when the final year that he conducted the final edge question, which is what is the last question? John Brockman asked when the Does something unprecedented happen when we finally learn our own source code? of reality itself. Yep. And that our perception, our limited perceptions of reality are giving us

2:31:44 that with a little bit of geometry from Stanislaw Ulam and Edward Teller, Yeah, is that what that is? I got like 500 smoke detectors, took out the radioactive element, created a reactor. Trevor Burrus Now when you say escape though, why do we have to escape? What we don't agree on, I think, is that I am convinced that we don't have the ability to steward this place.

2:34:05 try to imagine a full-on nuclear interchange. Do you think that when we're looking at the failure of leadership on the scale that we're Volcanoes, hurricanes, nuclear war, same thing. And then when Eikjafjallurkul erupted in Iceland, Makes Aikifelikul look like a child's play. go three days a year, mumble a few words. And I think we've weirdly become denatured

2:37:39 We don't know that we can go anywhere. Trump at the helm of the most dangerous machine ever created in the world. who was born in 1951, has gone to Stockholm for a discovery in theoretical fundamental physics And one of the things that happened was And GDP keeps going up. It's just one indicator that's particularly clean to show you that that's when the action happened.

2:40:31 But in general, in an average room, if you subtract off the screens, you can't definitely tell that that room didn't exist in 1973. imaging from tomography. We don't really appreciate that theoretical physics has been the great They don't talk about who did what. at MIT and whatnot has gone into decline. And it's very dangerous to restart theoretical physics.

2:43:18 We were struggling, we were, you know, frustrated, Okay. Let's just keep going about escaping the planet and your theory. SU2 cross U1, which comes from nowhere that anyone knows. there was a circle, as there is a circle at every other point in space and time that we do not perceive, that generates all of electromagnetism. And effectively, SU2 generates the weak force.

2:46:15 We have two origin stories. And so Jack gets the better of the trade because the beans allow him to do something crazy. And the natural object, which would be called spinners or chimeric spinners, when perceived on the four-dimensional object, that is when you pull back the information from the second if the number of particles in a generation was 2 to the n

2:48:45 And Einstein had used Bernard Riemann, a German mathematician, his geometries. So my gambit and why it's called But there is one case in which it works, which is this issue of natural spinners. So he broke that beast that tells you the warping of something into pieces. He threw one of them out called the vial curvature and then he adjusted the properties of the

2:50:45 This tiny little vulnerability. And, man, you better hope that thing goes in. But you were serious about this. I didn't know whether I wanted man to have his own source code. So I was divided. This is you. It didn't occur to me that there was another thing that you would want to do with your life. And so how does a B- math student in high school go to Harvard University with a master's degree at 19?

2:53:04 Are you willing to have conversations like debates with detractors or critics of this? I mean I've talked to people like Nima Arkani-Hamed at the Institute for Advanced Study who I just think is fantastic. to just release it for the average, I'm building. know how crazy it was when we did the hop vibration up here it was like close encounters all these

2:54:58 Good luck. Um, No. So those floating planes, that was what generates electromagnetism called this guy is a national treasure uh and i'm hoping to get Grant on the program. These guys, like go to, go to, go down to episodes or. Hey, we want everybody. If you go down, you'll see that they're figuring out how the paragraph from Ed Witten fails over into this wall that was chiseled in Indiana limestone in Stony Brook, New York, which has all of these below that.

2:58:51 And if you click on any one of these things, these ruins, so it's like the uncertainty, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Joe, I learned this from you, actually. I know you're hearing 5-MeO-DMT, but that wasn't what I was thinking. No. He was a schmata salesman. No. is. Taylor made to whatever questions without any worry about, about, and, um, let's do that.

3:01:50 Good luck.