Joe Rogan Experience #1454 — Dan Crenshaw Transcript

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0:00 congressman how are you sir i am doing well joe good to see you again you look official bro you And that's the one that's out right now. We need that right now. Is that legit? and so it's like a guest log it's kind of cool that is cool little thing so what's your take got there. There's a lot of finger pointing right now, a lot of opportunism. The reality is

3:30 look at it that way as the conversation about how to reopen society. At a certain point, we have to stores, hospitals, media, there's certain things that are allowed to be done right now. we cannot indefinitely lock down. Those costs are enormous. And they're not just costs to our 401ks and our jobs. I mean, Hydroxychloroquine with Z-Pak and zinc, apparently, is a combination that keeps getting brought

6:57 He's just talking about some things that show promise in the medical community. to only be adversarial to to politicians mostly conservative politicians they don't treat And they do. They completely waste time. I mean, how many reporters actually get access I mean, it's so utterly absurd and unnecessary. let's say an opinion journalist, especially,

9:26 context to the reader, even. It might be biased and that, whatever. But to only do that indirect the media instead of saying wow this is a shame that they that they did this they blame the well there's a there's a new ability to do that. this, what we've begun to do is reward this sort of i would say overly passionate emotional behavior so we we've replaced

12:36 When in reality, what we used to do is see somebody who overcame adversity, who was a true hero, and then we cheered them on. something was different about these guys but they just asked for a picture and i figured that was it and and then you know it's up to me at that point to just like understand what's happening how i get to the votes like i i leave my my office on the fourth floor in canon i take the elevator

15:15 rewarding that kind of behavior so that it actually ceases to control us that way well than than happens on the left um It is more about attention seeking. And like that, you are one of the rare guys that's on the right that does criticize the right and you do it fairly the ability to express yourself. They're still doing that, but I heard reports of it.

18:39 i'd vote for mike tyson over joe biden i just don't think it's a good idea to take someone clearly in the throes of dementia. video on his twitter talking about this is what happens when you don't discuss the elephant in And it's such a vulnerable point. and losing what he's saying that you have to take care of the cure and he he's he's struggling the

21:16 the deaths of thousands on his hands. I think that's a horrible, horrible overstatement. I mean, And I have to point out that back when we did this travel restriction from China in late January, at that same time, for him. Literally. I mean, I just think the poor guy shouldn't be in the position he's in. I don't I tend to agree with that. And I'm I'm very much against Bernie winning the general election.

24:50 Because I wouldn't even describe President Obama as, this sort of um this sort of unspoken balance the thing and i'm not even sure that they believed it know 10 years ago we would have we would have described Nancy Pelosi as an extremist. But now I view her as sort of center left and the extremists are even to her left. So they look at this as this could be the solution that solves all this for us and sort of balances out the economic playing field.

28:21 make in the stock market i think this is the war, and I think Bernie Sanders has the same policy that you're describing. But I remember analyzing Okay, setting wages is price controls. And they believed, they truly believed that the government could figure out how much to produce and what price to sell it at and that they would be a perfect utopia after that.

30:30 And what I tell people is affordability is definitely important and we should continue favor of that do that so one way is is improve the way that generic drugs get to market. They are about a few different drugs. But you have to tackle it one at a time. minimum wage, well, you can't ignore the fact that companies are just going to hire less people.

33:57 That bill, that H.R. 3 bill, it won't become law because the Senate won't take it up and And it's a very dynamic system. It's about 60%, 70% on the dollar. Yeah, I don't want to confuse it with Social Security. Can I stop you on that analogy? Here's the problem with that. The difference is, and we would like everybody to chip in so that this is possible.

37:55 issue the reason i don't describe it as a it's not in your right it is both a moral and an economic But I'll give you the bottom line up front. do that in a way that doesn't undercut the foundations of the good parts of our healthcare system, which is quality and innovation. If we undercut those things, we're the last country And that should be the goal.

40:22 We recognize how difficult it is to get to that point, while also ensuring that we maintain quality and innovation. And so what I'm working This already exists. to preventive medicine you have access to telemedicine you actually have a doctor patient anytime we want to problem solve choice and competition are among them you you can't escape And I pushed back against that because what that,

43:04 point of care. And i would distinguish them to reductions in other countries is because well hospitals don't get the same amount of money That does. healthcare a public service as well, if we were to do Medicare for all. So they have incentive to be exceptional. that we see to work while while the other wouldn't necessarily be and for and and you kind of just

47:07 So if I can go back to what you were saying earlier, so what you're essentially saying Like we're going to do the most amount of work even if that reward is overwhelmingly taken away from us and redistributed. controls, your incentives change. And if we're not really serious about understanding that aspect of understand that as we try to move towards the mutual goal of getting everybody access to

50:14 doing that with medic with medical care and i and i think that's and i think that's the difference good, the way the highways are examples of public goods, the way parks are examples of public goods. How does it get funded? bernie sanders doesn't call it socialism he's talking about democratic socialism and he makes department or a park or a public highway or the military is a socialist institution, again,

53:23 speech this was a few years ago and he he said, stop calling us socialists. socialism. It's a giant welfare state. Now, I'm still against that in many ways. I think there's consequences to that giant welfare state that they now have to suffer with as a result. And if you've noticed, too, medical care? did that well there's a cost to it and it's a hell of a lot more than the fire department and

55:53 a controversial study. Everybody basically agrees Elizabeth Warren's plan was 50 something healthcare is free? And then I go back to, okay, in order to meet that price point of the three It is too costly. risk pools at the state level or reinsurance programs uh you you can make this uh you you can What did you, you were talking about insurance. takes care of health care how does the insurance companies make any money then

59:35 What is the reason for this? We're done with that. I'm not defending our health care system. I want to be clear about that. I think they might have elements of it. that you said you said socialism has been implemented before but it's never really been And we ended up with skyrocketing inflation and uh downward growth so i'm talking about the Housing is more expensive.

1:03:37 People forgot to ask the question, why is it that I can't afford this? regulations in California, which means the housing itself is going to be more expensive. is so expensive, what we're getting from that. And and then and then we intelligently look at what are to be built well they're trying not to ruin the city too though yeah and that's fair like that but

1:06:21 San Diego doesn't have these problems. basically stay the same so which is good for renters it's bad for owners and developers but you know but the irony is like the populist kind of left and right like are really mad at the owners other if you want prices to go down you have to allow more supply if you're comfortable with used to be 70,000 homeless people in the city, and there is now. So obviously, something

1:08:30 That is a crazy number. They should propose solutions and they could look to houston um for some ideas but what have they Yeah. And so their instinct was to do the same thing that they're doing in San Francisco and L.A. new college campus how nice it is and this is 95 privately funded they take some hud money to to underpasses in a lot of los angeles and i mean i'm not exaggerating there's needles and cans and

1:12:04 It's all they're doing as well. so i don't know what they're doing i haven't seen any talk about it i've seen the Jamie doesn't have a laptop in front of me because we're doing this. And maybe that's a good incentive to stop people from drinking and doing drugs. a cigarette what are they healthier than someone who's morbidly obese yes they are so what we have

1:14:42 You know, there's a lot of things you can do that are free to take care of your body yeah i agree well i think it's indicative of of a problem in our Good. And so, yeah, we got it done. and to live as a citizen, this idea of citizenship and to do what is right, to do what is good. I don't think it's that they don't care. I think they have no of your book. Fortitude is what people need.

1:17:03 Do Something Hard. good for you well these things and taking care of That's an absolute fact. about conservatives but it's it's kind of used against us a lot right it's almost like we're destiny, well, that's fundamentally disempowering. And that's a terrible psychological state to be it was like 50 or 60 percent so it's a pretty marked difference. And that's a uniquely American

1:20:53 time obviously we're in a crisis technically right now of course but this this rhetoric was was was be revolutionized and and what's that's created is a real undermining of this notion of personal It's their right, and we should distribute that accordingly. Everybody's perfectly equal. that you said earlier is that we live in the best time ever in history. And I agree with that.

1:23:48 But these people are overwhelmingly happy. the fact that you've actually done the things that you needed to do in order to survive. Just that alone creates character, creates a different kind of person. confidence. You feel prepared for anything, even in the, in the, some of the worst situations, flying through the air, the Wi Fi isn't as fast as I'd like it to be.

1:27:49 and a physical sense actually actually going to the um to the science of it as well and like how And maybe that's so, understand and, and use my life experiences to bolster those lessons. it's like running for Congress or something like, I't know like we all have something and i'm just saying you have I've done something difficult. But I don't like to relax if I'm not doing shit.

1:30:38 That's chapter six. others as the right kind of hero. Maybe you've seen how successful people are, and you're like, parking space. Absolutely. No, it's easy. And you're like, ah, somebody will do it. They have And if you didn't feel bad about it, what the hell is wrong with you? just walk it over there put it in the little stall, and you feel better. You're like, look, I did it.

1:33:16 And it doesn't take much time. And that sense of shame that you're talking about, that really is important. done, you're like, damn, I did it. I can do this tomorrow too. You can, and it's momentum and just about the psychology behind it but the problem is is like we've i i feel like we've removed shame in our culture to to a huge extent to where returns it and that's sort of like our our classic heroic thing to do like you know what like we

1:36:55 And by nature of getting medically retired from the military, it's guaranteed that we have a story of victimhood and be cheered but we're not supposed to cheer for that we might feel you're doing the wrong thing because we've changed the definitions of right and wrong how easy society is. And now when you have a person who is affluent and successful and famous,

1:39:32 And to fake it, it's such a disgusting insult to people that actually are injured. I can't see even out of my good eye. But I can work. I mean, I've shown that I can work. We've changed, we've changed a few definitions, like what it means to be a victim. rescue package remember how this happened there was you know we were negotiating through this And we've forgotten how to ask

1:42:58 Well, I think that that is one of the bad aspects of the ideals of socialism, And those people get by. oh, all you have to do is work harder than everybody else. Everyone should get a participation trophy. and all the money that they have function very well, because nobody would actually do anything. And you have to be mentally tough to I thought that was the story we're supposed to cheer.

1:46:51 has fueled me beyond measure. people that you train, the men and women that you train with, there's an intensity to those bonds that's almost indescribable to anybody that hasn't experienced And you think about those motherfuckers when you go to the gym. It doesn't mean it's insensitive. It doesn't mean that. It just means that competition is good.

1:48:50 great people's stories great people's autobiographies and documentaries and stories of Stay hard. smooth like maybe she has a stabilizer i guess oh yeah that's one of those there's there's been came out of the womb running a hundred miles. He became that person. He became that person from I don't work as hard as that guy. thing i wanted to to maybe discuss is is the balance that that needs to be talked about and

1:52:55 paper that that delineates these pretty well um i spoke with one of the professors from the center Well, should be where we have a defined period where we remain in place, but then we we confront the enemy. individualistic and we're going to do whatever the hell we want we want a flamethrower in our unless you want to start a fire Right. also whether it's mental health or suicides or divorces or putting off all of these um all of

1:56:37 within new york city and then it spread wildly because people ride subways and elevators i mean and also take into account that we can target certain solutions. And so, We haven't run out of ventilators. they were preventing those exports because they wanted to hoard the supplies. Then they act like the good guy and go around the world giving it out. I mean,

1:59:00 Again, I just got off the phone with some of the doctors here at the Texas Medical Center. to look at our system, which is local and state government are our managers. you've got maybe like 50 or 60 people because you can hold each other accountable there's a little just that they're not informing people correctly, which we discussed earlier. back to work will actually

2:02:21 more ventilators getting more ppe so that's the preparedness side. And on the other side, we risk mitigate. It's just like, you know, because you want people driving. No, you're absolutely right, and I'm worried about that when we do go back. i wrote all this stuff down but there's a lot of quotes out there from media and from The other thing that frustrates me about these kind of bad faith arguments is that the people saying them made the same claims themselves.

2:05:17 are now destroying the president oh you didn't act early enough you didn't do anything it's the restriction on travel this was it's the february january January 27th. the restriction on travel. that was money that had already been spent by HHS, by CDC that needed to be reimbursed. So the Trump It wasn't until early March that it was exploding as a virus in Iran and Italy and South Korea. These things happened and it wasn't clear that there should be massive, massive lockdowns of society.

2:09:34 And the fact that it's so easy, that political opportunism is so easy, is what worries me the most. talk about that i did find the quotes that i told you i had if you want out which is that they actually prevented ppe from being delivered outside of china so that you know we are our companies 3m they produce it there should have Again, mid-January, World Health Organization says that, or they repeat the claims made by China that it can't even be transmitted human-to-human contact.

2:12:37 the existence of Taiwan. and then move on you know fast forward the chinese were perpetuating it's unclear whether The point is that Chinese authorities were spreading that quite a bit in February. bioweapons lab in wuhan yeah and i just don't know i mean i i could And this is something Trump has been talking about forever. And I think both, I think he's received skepticism from both the left and the right on that for different reasons, mostly from the right, because, you know, we have, and Republicans need to come to terms with this, is we have really adhered very closely to a more libertarian mindset of free trade,

2:16:19 But we kind of miss those manufacturing jobs. And it's not just medical supplies that we need to take a look at. I'm from Houston. No. I mean, how much would it cost to make those here? but then we also engage in free trade. What is the number? But they'd like to do more. loan program, student loans, why aren't we promoting things and majors that actually get us

2:21:15 i know you're gonna i'm in i'm in my 30s come on i got i got so much time um four years well yeah i mean technically yeah but um these things and kind of the foundations of what makes this country great and um you know i think you know, And I think you're uniquely qualified for politics. Go get it, folks. Bye, everybody.