Joe Rogan Experience #1455 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 hello lex you might be wondering why what i'm wearing on my face i'm not wondering no no it's So I'm part of this, and I'll take this off in a few minutes. So let's just take it off now so I can hear you. The before and after. surgical masks, which are these non-volan fabric masks that work very well for the thing I'm my mask protects you. A lot. Where something, a new disease comes out and everyone's scrambling to try to figure out

4:46 And obviously people who are developing vaccines and antiviral drugs are working on this. kind of things work for coronavirus versus SARS versus influenza versus rhinovirus, which is masks are effective. And the same thing is happening in other domains. But masks, But I would think that maintaining a healthy immune system, If you have access to a sauna, and I know most people don't, but if you don't have access to a sauna and you do have a bathtub, take yourself a hot bath.

7:58 Heat and cold, those two things, shocking yourself with cold baths and shocking yourself with hot baths if you don't have access to a sauna. that are essential for when... So there's this moment when you get the disease people seem to have mild symptoms and then almost overnight it turns on them. Yeah. It's that's the case it's not outside of the realm of possibility that something could be accidentally

10:52 What does it say? How did the outbreak start? But this is the dress rehearsal, right? and jump from animals to humans like they believe this COVID-19 is. I mean, that, in terms of a weapon, in terms of a natural pandemic, is terrifying. So a single mutation that then begins to propagate through society can completely change the way we experience this virus.

13:53 a one-day-old baby that died from coronavirus. But when you go into the actual story itself, I mean, if that's the first baby that's dying from this, Well, what's bad for the flu? And that can spread. and so on, Yeah, there you go. It's a good big title for the Jorog experience. Well, I don't think we have any idea. I mean, how long do you think it's going to take before businesses are up and running again?

17:33 listen i'm not an anti-mask person and like one of the things you have to do is you have to start I don't know his policies. Andrew Doyle, Andrew Boyle rather, the guy who wrote Woke. There's three things. We don't get it. You can't – like there's a strange effect to it I don't think people wear, there's a large percentage of people, this is my assumption,

20:34 We should save them for the health care workers. And the president didn't know. But I've gotten a lot of messages from friends that are quarantined with their families and like we've never been closer. Everyone's waving now, and everyone's, like, saying hi There's that look. No, I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing, I don't know shit. I have no't even know if it's in america i literally right now as of right now i don't know shit i have no information okay so first off it's an island like i saw like it's it's fight island it's literally the storyline of enter the i mean this is enter the dragon this is

23:34 In a time of coronavirus, to be blood for sure. So what if everybody gets tested? What do you think they would do if like, The guy's supposed to be fighting Ferguson. Because you want to do everything you do now should be done in a way that, one, is positive, like inspires us towards the community, and two, gets us to do the right thing scientifically.

26:06 That's probably the right thing to do. There's a lot of people that are very upset with it. I think... I think it will be a year. There is some really impressive work on vaccines. I wonder what they're going to do with the U.S. election. I just want people to know, first of all, folks, I'm barely paying attention. You want to listen to people for political advice?

29:16 Watch that show. I'm not that guy, okay? You know, and there's been fucking dozens of articles written about this. Like shortly after. It could have been one of those Okay, either way. What do you think – Donald J. Trump retweeted. and just prop him up and weekend it Bernie style and fucking bring him up to the podium. So much has changed. and people's hatred for Trump

32:33 I mean, there are so many people that were involved in those debates. attention rely on people where that's their job. stumbling for his words there's been some real bad ones but you know you got to think he's probably little bit off and to me the question is so i i'm obviously i'm awkward at speaking He has a story with his son, a vet dying. a good idea to have one person have the kind of power that a president has i mean just imagine

36:52 So attract, so inspire the best in the world to come work for him, Three people. Yeah, I'm like this is how recently I think it was a great idea when we're tribes, you know you have this gigantic organization behind it that requires all the money from the Yeah, and I mean, what he said about automation now applies to argument for balance, right? This is a great argument for big government. Well, the goal,

40:07 Obviously, I don't know. There's other ideas. that some enormous percentage, of the people that have died from COVID, because it's all horrible, right? Anyone that loses a This is a great wake-up call for a lot of people that are unhealthy, like now that this is real and that like it's probably a good idea to have stored food it's So what you might very well see, especially in the South, a lot of people have guns, right?

43:16 you can't just decide that you're going to throw the constitution out the window and these people I think in trying to remove, Someone hits him, he hits him back even harder. administration apparently she said it referred to it as the Kung flu and Oh, Jesus, let's stop the presses. Is it so much more horrible that we have to, I mean, is it that racist?

45:56 I think that conversation with that lady, he was like, who said this? of what people were complaining about and the the reasons why people were up in arms about things. It's not just because all. And they're spreading it around. And it's weird. So we don't have time for nonsense. And we're in a lot of ways because society is so... planet. There's going to be problems. We're sorting through all these different things out,

48:13 hoarded toilet paper and bought guns. Okay? beautiful i love that i love this We need a little something that lets us know, hey, you know, this is a temporary situation. I really believe this. religious ceremonies. You know, I was talking to Eric Weinstein, we was talking about Jews and That's where I have my guitar here. do you think it's okay if I play a song on Jerry?

51:19 And then I found out, I learned about my grandfather who was at age 17, which actually tells you a lot. Everybody wanted to fight for their country and die for it. Yeah. So winter is very difficult to fight, in World War II. And that shield would turn out and while bullets are flying. And, I mean, so I was thinking about how lucky, because I'm alive because the bullets, like he got hurt, his leg.

54:32 most of his brothers most of them in Europe world war ii moment because we're it's a global have you ever read uh sebastian younger's book Yeah, but I don't know what's going on. Yes. That looks like a little Galaxy watch. Okay. No, don't. Did you read that? Yeah. Well, someone tries to steal your money with that, with the music part. is automated actually well I don't know

58:28 Did you ever see the movie Groundhog Day? I saw you watching Adam Sandler or something. Underrated. ever seen. I haven't had a chance to see it. Uncut Gems. keeps waking up, same guy over and over again. But he learns he does kills himself keeps waking up same guy over That's the reason why this podcast is named The Joe Rogan Experience. Like, that's too far.

1:00:24 I do like, you know, I'm a scientist at doing stuff. shouldn't look i mean you know this yeah you shouldn't look how far to go to learn hendrix people that means the same thing yeah in jiu-jitsu you're a jiu-jitsu black belt you understand um that's a thing that for whatever reason is it's bothered so many people that vinnie magalhaes who's a legit world champion

1:02:20 he took it in a bad way but I was just saying for whatever reason, they get sensitive about it. of the nicest and friendliest ones of those that that incredible family so he's got this gym that's I mean, listening to him talk, he's a modern day philosopher warrior. And he does it in like an incredibly scientific, systematic way. There's a famous quote from Lister.

1:05:32 i love his breakdown also of uh gordon ryan versus cyborg that was very very interesting But I can't see what he's doing, actually. The cool thing about music is I can actually, the Stevie Ray Vaughan sound but there's gotta be a soul in there isn't that interesting that it is in there? There's a thing about music, too, that it seems that there's a big difference between doing it and figuring it.

1:08:43 Yeah, but it was a more of aggressive Your own sound is discovered only once you get technically just good enough to mimic others. Like what do you? Don't, get out of your own head. God damn, that was was good that fucking acoustic version that Use Me song Oh, lean on me. Usually I'm doing something else. you know who's really into that just listening to music is henry rollins

1:13:07 of these records with reverence. always writing. He's very inspirational in terms of his workup and he's always writing he's very inspirational in terms of his And one of the things that worries me about Henry is, I guess that doesn't have to be family. Probably like when I was training with him probably 2013 like 15 16 years ago some more than 10 years ago more than probably like when i was training with him

1:16:14 But also I learned a lot myself about my perception of humans, of babies to people. people do and have done i i i almost immediately in raising kids shifted that and thought oh you You know, that's not what happens to people. perspective you remain the same That's why it's such a liberating step. Yeah, for real. It's like they're real worried about this stuff

1:20:53 and I feel like I felt when I was in high school there. I felt like an outcast and I felt like a years and years and years of thinking I kind of remembered it, but then I didn't. I could go right across the street and hang out in the Charles River. And I remember there's stairs that I always, there's these stairs that lead up. and a grown man who's at least gained some grasp of perspective you know i was in my 40s at the

1:23:51 It's like a terrible representation of reality. You have a weird, blurry slideshow that you can kind of play in the back of your head, That's where psychedelic drugs come into play, too. Like in my head, like I'm trying to justify. Like, there's people suffering right now quietly. Drive to a grocery store. This is one thing that I want to crack home to people.

1:26:47 It's not like people are just flooding the streets. You can't fault them. You would be doing the exact things. You go home and everybody got the usual suspects conspiracy theories and 5g and fucking they just pulled the david eich No, no. The London Real conversation? How do they know who's right and who's wrong? policies there's these quote-unquote policies right so you want to remain science-based fact-based

1:30:25 Epstein. Yeah. You're burdened trying to make sense of the world around apes. I can tell you He was a big donor. But I think, I do think that outside of conspiracy theories, that he was an exceptionally charming person. towards scientific ideas even out there big scientific especially what do you think that Just feel free to do that on the side. That's right.

1:34:05 I'm like, while he was talking, I'm like, okay, I'm so far behind here. When he's describing complex things, he describes them to people that understand complex things. Is it operative? he probably thought he could get away with it makes you wonder of all the horrible things No, they're still getting away with it somehow or another. It's awful, man.

1:36:59 But the Catholic Church is like inexorably connected to child molesters. That's not the one where the Boston Globe. There's quite a few documentaries about sex crimes in the Catholic Church. that that person can exist inside the structure of the Catholic religion or the Catholic church. And one of those issues, just like influenza, that we kind of, we've accepted as a thing

1:39:08 when he's talking about it um have you listened to that speech no i have not he's he's like spot but like, Imagine what you're going to do for your family. I mean, so many people of his era did. That intensity, that passion is what fuels great engineers. That's a great meme. Why wouldn't they? Yeah. Elon's very silly. Not bad. you do often yeah yeah i mean a guy who like is wearing glasses with a fucking uh sweater with a

1:44:05 great creators of all kinds. Heavy, heavy science nerd. that are really great at science right exactly and I guess the thing I was also speaking to and definitely keep as a kid that gets picked on. Those people suck. know it's all right. And oftentimes that is not the case. It's like an FU to society that I can be both things. thing different you mean like a mini skirt i'm like like fucking the hot little latex jammy

1:49:31 Why do girls do it? Well, your haircut is the right haircut. Especially for someone that's losing their hair. You've got a beautiful head of hair. I mean, all of these little aspects of society just kind of, it's kicking in fact that the barbers are all closed i mean all of these little Well, I was very rarely keto. Once everything normalizes, if and when that happens,

1:51:46 Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that. The mileage is and okay, I decided to do So I had to be positive when I'm recording myself. like unsure what's happening i was delirious because your body is exhausted in a way that's Don't you think you're burning off an insane amount of calories Yeah, that's crazy, dude. in less than an hour. It's 45 minutes. That's even long long if you're going at his pace is that what you're doing about

1:54:39 You're accountable. So it was yoga every other day. So before the run, I wrote down 12 things I'm really grateful for, Yeah. if people are thinking about that for you, It's not a running test. it's not a running test it's not a marathon test Interesting. Yeah, a cop-out. I know, man. Yeah, February. and we were talking about it, And then they contacted us and they were asking me and a bunch of other comics,

1:59:55 were required to they just shut down because it just seemed like the walls are closing in but did Why do you think that? No, not online only because you have to have something. No, they're not. I watched half of it. Like his other specials, We want to see stand-up comedy about the virus. developing stories and writing stories that get people outraged or clickbait you know

2:02:42 to accept that, that, that this is part of the new form it's really they they have a thing in them that they want to express to like you're talking. um, And I'll just go on your Instagram and just comment. They're just shitposting. Hey, man, I get it. So I'm like, just shut off the chat. like that's a technology problem because my dream would be for somebody like you to be able to read

2:06:25 that or yeah there's it's a balancing act like sometimes you stumble it's weird it's all live Often not. time when we started doing podcasts one of the things that a lot of people had a hard time. When we started doing podcasts, one of the things that a lot of people had a hard time with was how mean we are to each other. in where people shitting on each other it is hilarious it's so mean but really fucking funny

2:08:57 It's because it's fucking cold. Yes. It's funny like people some people walk into my life talking like like busting my ball and it's like well we're not But by the way, he has the thickest skin of any fucking human I've ever met in my life. and he'll even rebroadcast those I don't know anyone like him. No, let me do the serious song first. to the question first?

2:11:17 Yeah. So let's not get carried away 41. The way out is love Is a fire they'll never tame enemies inside us the way out is I don't know. Well, it's... Last time I came on, I really wanted to play hendrix ring you can just jam out you can go gary clark jr mode but with acoustic every mess up has a like it has like it's silence after so acoustic doesn't ring for a long time when you play

2:16:10 But the fact that just learning about my grandfather just made it so real to me. like life is absurd, life is suffering, and writes about how everybody reacts in different ways. Which, by the way, it's kind of like what a lot of our society is doing right now. And overall, there's this story that, is going to lead to suffering. So it's a kind of profound book that I recommend people read.

2:19:53 a way to talk about the virus that first infects the rats uh but yeah just threw bodies at the problem so the fact that my dad my uh grandfather survived I mean, he is here because someone won a fight with a rock. See what that study said. quite a few different along with humans head well bill hicks called people a virus with shoes you know he was joking around obviously

2:23:24 And it's literally killed 80% of all the tuna in the ocean. But at the same time, it's... bodies like viruses are the simplest possible i think they're living i think it's the simplest possible, I think they're living, I think it's the simplest possible life form that just shows that anything is possible. They think it might have existed for months, if not years, before it broke loose and became a pandemic.

2:25:30 Did you say CNN? There's still just... CNN's Nick Paltenwalsh reports. Look at the— Their podcast is huge and that that that podcast What the New York Times is supposed to stand for, what it always did when I was a kid, But it's run by humans. And that's not – there's very little money required to run Wikipedia, incredibly so. he holds those journalistic ethics at the highest level. I mean, to the highest standard with him,

2:29:26 And then Andrew Cooper's got new glasses. Let's go to Chris. He's an independent. But you have to innovate, and you have to make more. and not be polluted by other influences. Is it possible that people can look at things like you have an idea, a subjective idea of what something means when you're looking at it objectively? sometimes it takes someone else to come along and say okay well why do you hold

2:32:10 things, and focus on the Well, it kind of is what we're just saying. You can be very cold and fact based you can be uh very flamboyant and very kind of excited uh use a lot of visuals all those kinds Yeah. When did it hit a million? It's you're becoming, look, when I do this thing, but run faster right now this kind of connection is is a it's a dip into

2:34:53 I always anticipated this being some weirdo fringe thing that very few people would connect with, Just do that. Like you put on an act. interesting that they didn't know about masks and they weren't sure he was incorrect about a few He was correct in the dangers of CWD, which is chronic wasting disease, which is a disease that they are absolutely terrified is going to make the jump from animals to people.

2:37:17 Whatever the fuck it is, you can't kill it. If you've seen all these people that are recovering from this, It's crazy. But isn't that just how the world works in general and systems? Like the biology and the physics of it doesn't make sense. Yeah, we're that virus. We've propagated the whole globe. Right, but in terms of the impact on the planet, That's how many ants there are, which is pretty crazy when you stop and think about it.

2:41:29 Well, Spanish flu is 50 million. Smallpox, I would say, like when I talk to virologists, That's, I mean, imagine something that just comes to America and wipes out 90% of us. And then you understand what it must have been like for the Native Americans when they encountered the European diseases that the Europeans had already developed antibodies for.

2:42:57 but it's a very small percentage no i understand what saying, though, is overall the number of people, the percentage of people that have died from this and then compare that to the impact that smallpox had on Native Americans. I haven't been too close to following. You kind of look at it. Yes. and they don't have the tests. I'm sorry, for deaths or for infections.

2:45:16 I don't know what the percentage is, but it's a very large percentage of the population, You know? Well, how about social distancing? Too much touching, you mean? But I'm saying if there was a movie or a television show where people behaved with social distancing and everyone was afraid of everyone's viruses, like the reality that we're experiencing right now.

2:47:05 It's surreal. Real weird. employed yeah make sure the planes are still running that's so crazy they're flying with one No, no, no liquids, nothing. was weird going to the airport is there's nobody everybody's working and it's just me and my stupid mask. It was definitely surreal. And that really worries me Like staph infections. some sort of infection by the time they go somewhere and take care of it it's really bad

2:50:27 And Rhonda Patrick was actually talking about, I think she had MRSA at one point. She's got studies about everything. various forms, whether it's through sauna or cold plunges. She's the one who turned me on to that, You mean like a tub full of ice water? And that always makes me really sore. Everything feels real good. Yeah, not a jacuzzi, bro. If you get in 190 degree water, you're going to die.

2:53:40 There's actually a little scale in the sauna. And just sit there and fucking suffer. it weigh uh the 30 30 30 pounds yeah so it's hell um i'm trying to remember if it's kilograms or But I don't like- And I was like, one little 35-pound kettlebell. He's got two of them. You're doing windmills. holy shit and you realize how much work you can get in with just a kettlebell just a little bit

2:56:32 So you don't know what to do. My man. Because they put a great workout up there for free just so that you subscribe to their page. I mean, if you're not What's the most you've ever done in a row? like that hurts from Hindu squats more than fucking anything I've done ever. They all have these like preposterous legs. It was a prerequisite for training with him.

3:00:32 it it felt oh and i did a lot of interesting things so i i would um i pulled butterfly guard regularly. if you have him in your butterfly guard, he's not pinning you. They just got off their, like... That is a weird choice to wear wrestling shoes. from being able to wear wrestling shoes. With your wrestling shoes on, you get traction when it's wet.

3:03:06 You see Chris Lieben? No, it's not that. Joanna and Waylee. She's such a savage. you can make the argument Ioana won. You can make the argument Whaley won. You can make the argument there was a draw or i mean you can make the argument you want to So evenly matched. the other fight on the card. By the way, who you got in terms of, do you think Ferguson and Khabib will go down?

3:05:20 You know how crazy that is? on essentially two weeks notice also it might be kind of weird to train now in these coronavirus This is a wild situation where there's a guy who's going to fight for the interim title. Well, on the side, for sure. and it fell apart. Conor McGregor knew all along. through a full camp and they're paid for a full camp and they're paid to make

3:08:21 I don't know, man. I don't know how it's going to be done. asked to do it and i've never asked him would you do it um i don't know because uh well so what He's a professional president. Really? I just wanted to talk, not wanted, but I think what they wanted is to talk with the NSF and certain heads of the administrations and just saying this is a really, it's important for us as a country to stay ahead on innovation in terms of artificial intelligence.

3:10:46 conversation. So I started asking myself I know what you're saying though. And for that I would probably talk in English with a translator. He speaks pretty good English. also speaks pretty good joey's perfect and he's perfectly bilingual so that was a great situation that you're making, I know I have all the right going on where anything to end on Putin

3:13:35 this song Blame it on Brian Callen. Shout out to Redband. Yeah. We'll end with this. Lex, okay. I know this stupid song. Yeah. Do you use the Twitter as well? He'll sing his ass off. So this is a story. Okay. In this cruel world, there is a man you should listen to as you journey on through life. And he rode to the sunset with a tear in his eye. Joe Rogan

3:16:51 People are going to never forgive you for that.