Joe Rogan Experience #1479 — David Pakman Transcript

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0:00 coming to us live via technology from the other side of the continent, The man bun is like I'm trying to get people to listen to me more and take me more seriously. You're nice to a fault? things like that. You know, even if I understand what you're doing, it's not, it's no big deal. They feel like they're in on this conversation that they want to jump in on and interject.

2:30 It's over. I'm like, why did I even say it like that? I don't, I have videos from seven years ago where, you know, attribute to people based on greed or ego or pettiness or short-sightedness, that when you And my message was always, listen, we shouldn't deify any of these people. It's a cult of personality, really, where a movement is built around the person as an idea and they can do no wrong.

6:38 That seems crazy. And to blame one person when any one thing goes wrong seems crazy as well. And so, of course, you want to think about who it is that the person is, but you also want to so listen, we're voting for the cabinet like Biden is. So he's whether or not he's having But I think running for president is a through these steps to try to become president, he's experiencing a wave of attention and scrutiny

9:32 I have friends that I've seen their cognitive decline from fighting. The guys who are experiencing cognitive decline are younger guys have been hit in the head. He had a brain fart. There's probably a lot of shit going on, but I would be concerned. see anything that he would call dementia or cognitive decline beyond that. know, he walks off with this plan. You think it's a neurological thing? I don't know. That's the

12:22 And then it's almost like there's a half-second gap and then someone hits reset button, and he'll get back on the teleprompter or whatever. But the gist of what I was getting to was some of these same neurologists and mental health folks, when I asked them privately about Biden and say, are you seeing like the same type of thing? Totally agree. So like what?

13:44 Oh, yeah. I mean, there's not even a chance. conservative group. You're only going to get so-called pro-life justices from these groups. On the other hand, Joe Biden will absolutely Okay, so he's talking That's silly. Was he on a sedative? this line in the sand and people are willing to make concessions in favor of going in that direction because they recognize the slippery slope of limiting people's rights and the dangers of going in the other direction.

17:31 a weird thing that we do because it's so uncomfortable. What it is, is so uncomfortable. a lot of ways um i think the more control government has over your body and the more only thing that's going on there There's so many other issues. amazingly wise they were. But just think about what we know now in 2020 about just the nature of communication like what you and I are doing.

20:32 the infrastructure that we, right? So like, as you're saying, if in order to change the way that you know like when when there's some negotiations in these trade war deals with china for instance for me to say that I think I mean, social issues, I think. the person in the primary a framework. It's like, if you're coming from, if we start with Bernie, you can see that there's a

24:09 And so that's where I'm interested in whether there's really anything you can identify where That's one of those things you're only doing because you think it would be better for humans, because they got injured and they come up with this bill that literally changes the whole course of their life. thousands of dollars, you're fucked. Like your, your life, you don't have enough time to make

26:17 That is what stood out for me about Bernie Sanders. blown up in war, why can't we try to fix the inner cities that our kids go to school in? Like so that they can live the longest, you can lose your business. Through no fault of your own. So all these ideas that, like, I know people that are pretty right-wing that would give me a hard time about calling me a socialist and a commie because I'm really into Bernie Sanders.

29:11 if we shifted our ideas about what socialism means years, 22 years old, just And you're carrying around this debt that even if you go bankrupt, you have to pay. Just to go back to that for a second. But I do think in my postmortems about what happened with Bernie, because it wasn't by a where you say, like you're pointing out, we can't let people drop too low. We need to ensure some

32:13 and what he calls democratic socialism. But she was like AOC, she said. factor of conservatism. There's a lot of people that are conservative that, you know, they're more than we've ever seen in our life that multiple circumstances beyond your comprehension Knowledge that you're you're responsible for your own destiny and you have to go out there and you have to put in the work

35:38 Los Angeles is filled with tents now. capitalism for profits, make a business, build up the business, et cetera. Even when that business right? Because we should do this through taxation. Let's make sure that we're cleaning this up at It's like you don't want to – it's almost like it's such a catastrophic event, did it cost BP to have that? And isn't it still leaking? Hasn't it been proven that it's still polluting the ocean?

38:53 messed up, hey, we shouldn't trust them to clean it up. Someone else should do it, which maybe I Jesus. You know, when I see those rigs outside, like there's a place that I love to go to in on the land or you have to have rights to the land. All the money goes to them, and they're sucking it out of the ocean. And then people would say, Yeah. It's so strange.

41:41 I don't trust it. and look around for weirdos just a little tank of gas, a little engine to get you by in case you run out of batteries. If you're on a long trip you go to 150 In total peace and quiet. when. And obviously, it did really well for a really long time. And I don't remember when it I regret having done that at this point. Do you smoke pot, Dave?

44:54 If you smoke pot, you're like, And SEC got involved. It's insane. I mean, We're not going to stay in a static state forever, right? when he called that guy a pedo guy and that kind of shit but when it comes to his ability to and saying arrest me and i mean i like i've been following it to some degree it's really complicated was Trump that said this, was talking about businesses and restaurants that they'll be open,

48:56 shouting out on the podcast that like are owned by friends of mine that are, these businesses are hurting so bad. They've went either. So what is the solution? I don't know, but I don't think that in our particular case, And I think that they're going off this old information. A, what kind of impact it's going to have economically in Massachusetts, churches were included in the first phase of reopening, and a lot of public

52:06 I don't know if you've talked about that a lot. hey, he shut down travel from China really early and he took it seriously and we've done the most be zero. I don't think that it was logical at that point to say shut it all down, but just to pick a date and then we can work around it. March 5th, okay? March 5th, China had 80,000 cases, so we already had proof that this was going to be big.

54:15 So we would have done like 60 days, March 5 to May 5. And where would we be right now? We'd be past. There was this amount of cases. When it was happening live, there was a lot of confusion. you're right. You're right. Yeah. No, it's, it's definitely, look, it clearly wasn't perfect. South Korea had their first case the same day we did, within like six or eight hours. It might

57:19 but South Korea got it right, Taiwan got it right. In terms of places in Europe, Greece did really well. And when the question when the question was asked, why did you shut down the pandemic response team? Here's why. in your circle of humans you interact with it's dunbar's number and it's somewhere around 150 been involved in his businesses for three and a half years you're saying he's still got he must

1:00:11 Just think about how much real estate that's taking up in his head, right? They're not really doing much, so we don't really need them. taking up bandwidth in his head but look it is so american that he does that you know what i'm When as you're pointing out, it's really not a normal presidency. And the analogy that but it's someone who believes themselves to be above the fray of the bias of the left-right stuff.

1:03:25 that I would appreciate addressing the nation in some sort of a disastrous state. mitigate all the problems in New York. And when you think about it, New York got hit harder than And a lot of it came from, like you're pointing out, we had incomplete information, masks have cases by the... That stuff has a very particular effect on people who basically want a license to go out and act

1:05:42 was intubated, you would go in through the same tube, and they would use that UV light, It's like a long wand, and you wave it for a certain amount of time in the water, That was a real issue. So UV light, heat, and I think isopropyl and bleach were the four elements, so to speak, to use his term, that were up on the screen behind him. statement that i can't imagine almost any other politician wondering aloud about but there is

1:08:45 I kind of know there's spark plugs and there's fuel injection, it would be similar to I don't know if you remember that tweet. That was after he had said crazy shit about Mexicans someone wrote to me though and said that that version of Sudafed, which is, I guess the UK version doesn't contain the same Interesting. I don't know. Well, dilated pupils is usually a response to some sort of drug, right?

1:12:29 like it's not necessarily stimulants, I guess. Maybe, but he's also a guy who's willing to take saying basically the same thing. I think you and I had discussed this. if your doctor prescribes you something, like I mean, he's around a lot of people and it is possible that it has some sort of a preventative effect obviously i don't know but if you're if

1:14:55 Is there things you could do to boost your immune system? and to understand that there's a real benefit to having a healthy body and a healthy immune system. sanitizer that's that's good advice too but better advice is both of those things together yeah so that we're looking at. I don't care. I want what works. That's my only priority. the doctor did that because it's off-label because it is an off-label drug so if he is prescribing it

1:17:58 Maybe maybe he said, I want to take it. I'll have it tomorrow. discussed it with doctors and I've even been offered it. And I just, I think people that came into the podcast studio. And like, where are you getting these tests? Well, I'm However, only 1% of the population is going to be able to get it. but I have to take care of myself right now. There's not one that they can use as a model.

1:21:13 it would be the first vaccine of its type that instead of having like a weakened version of the traditional kind, is my understanding. Dude, that one sounds scary i'm gonna wait i don't want to be an early adopter of that one especially if there's something really safe for sure. Look, if it works and it's safe, we'd all want to take it real simple,

1:23:57 being used specifically for coronavirus. So I want to make sure that I'm not in any way implying that We're all hoping that everyone's going to benefit from this and that we'll have a cure you know, hey, we're all very vulnerable here. marks about whether it's a causal thing and whether the infection itself can reduce your You said C, yeah. you in. And most of us don't have enough of it. It's really, it's kind of a crazy

1:27:24 But that if you have a normal level of zinc, that it doesn't really seem to do that much. And particularly when it comes to getting a wide range of nutrients that we know are beneficial. Are you changing anything about your lifestyle or obviously you're stuck at home, but are you The other 10% is happening mostly indoors in I think there's a lot of unhappy people that are looking to yell at people.

1:30:38 there were these really scary looking images where it was like black where the particles were breathing it out if you're running right if you're if you're breathing out you got spit there's stuff Oh, right now, Jamie just pulled this up. vice president of running mate. so he's deaf it's interesting that he's definitely like he wants to have a woman

1:33:19 Right, right. And I think that really what you just want to avoid someone who's going to cause a problem like Palin for McCain was such a little bit of a problem. of the big speculations was i'm going to have a woman of color like that he needs to have a woman Yeah. saying you will not consider a white or male candidate is that's, that's not okay. Yes. But it's also, we're recognizing that there is racism and sexism in the world. Like,

1:36:09 Like, how would you answer that question? people working and producing stuff. Yeah. So what I would say is that men in terms of public what you're looking for. You're looking for someone who's going to make good decisions, about a totally different world. president, it does send a message that this is possible and it gives people hope. And I think So there's great value in image.

1:40:52 pray and be God-fearing and you've got to, divorce is bad and you've got to speak a certain way and And if we had 10 different parties You can almost guess how they're going to feel about the environment or how they're would you know there's but that would be pro-choice and these lines in the sand you got to wonder uh particularly in Northern Europe, who say, you say, one of the craziest things about American politics

1:44:11 trump has done well ingratiating himself with religious folks because it's never really been Yeah. That would be nice if you could just – how many times can you be born again? Do you know who General Butt Naked is? And on video, video on vice back when and eaten kids' hearts. different things yeah we were watching that one guy who was blowing was it what's his name again

1:47:28 same people. Jim Baker was one of them, right? Who was selling survival slop. He was selling doctors who have different opinions on how to handle the coronavirus and criticisms of how up. But then it gets to these We think there's better way. videos is the way to handle it. I think the way to handle it is let other people with opposing The, you know, coronavirus videos that YouTube or whoever disagrees with.

1:50:49 there was a video I saw about coronavirus where there was a doctor saying, But it's actually the opposite is what happens. It's that because you're not regularly exposed to things, your immune system That it does get practiced and it does get strengthened by exposure. quickly. It would be a real shame if that was the case with the immune system. I don't think it is,

1:53:09 But that being said, last time we talked, we had this conversation about like, okay, if a platform gets to a certain size, does it not kind of enter some new space where you need someone to establish some guidelines. Can I pause you real quick? if giving people disinformation makes them make poor choices and they could be putting themselves right and though that kind of a video, I could understand where someone would say,

1:55:11 situations. Yeah. For the purposes of, you know, our conversation about like, who, what regulation They're against new regulation on gun safety. They're against business regulation. They're do, right? Do you still have freedom to get the word out? Well, you do, but you don't have freedom I don't think that's a solution, Why can you harass people online?

1:58:35 and maybe they don't have anything you want to hear, but to not allow them to communicate, They want to express themselves and they panic. to the move me's you like, you like, you know, at Joe Rogan just had a great pizza. That's what Yeah. that are talking about this lockdown and that it's not a good idea. There's people that believe in and the way it's, these mistakes, particularly on Twitter,

2:02:01 the vast majority, 70, 80% are reasonable people that you could have a conversation with if you were in front of them one-on-one. to express ideas and communicate is so critical right now. And as we're evolving and as we're you don't do anything to the baker. You just go and, you know, the market will if there's a demand and a whole bunch of people want to hear that stuff,

2:04:26 It's not that simple. How long ago was that? The Planned Parenthood stuff? Was it five years? You did do something that wasn't straightforward, cut and dry, no emotion journalism. they take the opportunity to redraw districts that are favorable to them. how do you do it? It's a really good question. It's a really hard question. That's what I'm what they're, what they have now.

2:07:56 story but it's been investigated it had nothing to do with it it was just somebody worked with Like he could tweet that. about is what's the main point of Twitter? Twitter is a publicly traded corporation. However, you're basically a public utility for communication of ideas and it's imperative that for liberty and You could probably buy it cheap right now, too.

2:10:33 Is it? YouTube makes sense. I have no idea how much money they're making from that versus what is the value of the Like fairly recently, someone just bought a controlling stake or a large stake. I really think it might be wise for all of us to consider it like a public Like in terms of regular people, you can start a YouTube video right now on your phone. I could

2:13:09 Yeah, I think there was a potential corporate takeover that tried to maybe happen, but they made an agreement. wingers but what's the legal bit you would have to first establish a legal basis. You would have to establish law that says once you have this you don't know what it's like until you're around these people. terms and conditions and they say, we just don't want this. If YouTube was determined that they

2:16:26 I was censored because a certain school wouldn't have me to speak there. It's like, well, hold on. We don't want to have someone from the KKK come You're huge. basically from scratch, right? known. So if you have this incredibly powerful tool for expression, at what point in time, coronavirus information, delete. And I don't think that's wise. I don't think that's wise.

2:19:51 I highly doubt it. Let's not. Now, the most powerful way the world has ever known has come along to express yourself. They should make a shitload of money. You should probably find something else or examine why you don't like it. Wonderful guy. He doesn't even swear. than you. And he writes, okay, dude, that's all he writes. And she's what you call a trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

2:23:14 obviously being rebellious, but should that keep her from being able to use that platform? the final say in power and it might not align with my ideas is the internet so necessary and ubiquitous now that it should be like the phone and like it's very expensive, you pay for it differently. would need, like a really fat pipe with a lot of bandwidth. Whether it's the 14th Amendment, whatever the fuck it is, pick an amendment.

2:26:19 I favor regulation in a lot of ways. instead of pretending to be for one thing until you clearly need a different one let's recognize And I think we could shift in that direction. And that's what I really enjoyed about some of Because not everybody is in the same situation from the start. No, we need to help people get their shit together. America as a team, that we are America and I'm proud to be an American, well, what's the best

2:29:30 you can only ask someone to hold their breath and swim for so long before they just want to give up. So I was just reminded of this because we went back to Bernie. many of these choices, like even just having a female president, they're done for perceptions dropped out right before Super Tuesday and it was Bernie versus Biden. And, you know, there's so much of it that I felt like there's so much coordinated shit

2:32:31 Supreme Court judge, like that alone, and these other 250 judges that Trump selected that we Agree. have to worry about getting fired, I mean, obviously a scandal, they murder somebody or The counterpoint, which is not a crazy counterpoint, is if they know that eventually on the tail for years he should have stacks of paperwork in his office going over he should first of all he

2:35:16 there's really there's two parties right there's conservative and liberal wouldn't it be great if I'm a moron and don't listen to me. mandated that half the court is against abortion? Like, why would that be good? That's what it is, right? conundrum that is whoa, that's a messy discussion. It's a messy problem. It's not unique to abortion though. I mean,

2:38:40 And then the other side looks at it, you're killing a baby. Because if you have a, you know, a 1965 Buick and it doesn't stop at all, like you hit the brakes But if you have a Tesla, like my God, man, those things are super fast. You just want to eat your steering wheel. I remember 65. No, I know this song. You'd hang from your steering wheel or your rearview mirror.

2:41:17 hour speed limit up there but that's uh also you know it's it's a place where there's just not that That was last weekend or the weekend before last. And what is important in terms of how I spend my time? but I want people to get something out of it, don't like it when you talk about this or they say not to talk about that and the sponsor wants These are not things that are being handed to you on a printed sheet by the network executives.

2:45:18 You just have to do it and get better at it. perspective wise, I think we're all going to benefit from this. The real problem is people with businesses. all afraid to touch each other and everyone's far apart and you get hand sanitized you're squirting How much money is there going to be to try to restart everything? But how crazy is it that people are – now Bill Gates is the bad guy.

2:48:55 who's literally made toilets in Africa and spent millions of dollars very prevalent it's really interesting too because like what here's the problem there is profit in and it's funny to me critique of the system right that's a critique of us because it's not just Like that is a problem in just human nature. images of, I mean, I probably never saw them until the internet or the images of what people look

2:51:50 I mean, this place is in Pennsylvania where people can't live. They have to get out of their fucking house. They can't live. They can't wash themselves with the water. They can't drink it. We're so – life is so complicated. That made it through this one. Or able to make it through that made it than quarantining all of us. vaccine by March, April 21, right? I mean, it seems like... But would you jump right in with

2:54:37 We don't have to go into this, but I am doing some prepping now and I have no clue what I'm doing. I still need to pump up the wheel at the tire one that plugs in your cigarette lighter. It's an having rice and beans, things that are easy to store and that lasts forever. That's really good. he's in a coma like holy shit those ones that really scare the fuck out of you though those

2:57:12 what it's going to be like once things restart. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree with you. I, I, a bracelet on that showed that they had been tested and tested that week and so everyone was like if it's, they're incubating it. They got it on the flight there or something like that. and people cross the street so they don't go near you. It gives you a weird feeling.