Joe Rogan Experience #1492 — Jocko Willink Transcript

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0:00 If anybody's got the answers, it's Jocko. Sorry, nerds. I mean, it was on primetime TV, right? It was never like a problem. It's very it's a very strange thing We're in a bad way. And then you have this disease. is this social media, which is, you know, I'm only going to post things that are just going to completely make everyone that sees whatever I'm posting emotional and and filled with rage.

3:18 They're both emotional media, just trying to make people emotional, which is the worst possible thing. Yeah. So the whole article was just bullshit. Yeah, but they got me So this guy's got a gun. him. The pumps were right behind him. And they leave out this picture of this man with a gun pointing it You're not going to see that. Yes. A soccer player's wife tweeted something like that.

7:46 I haven't heard anyone say anything other than that. Yeah, if you want to get someone to be under control and you can't choke them We're all good. You're going to get shot and killed. just get rid of police. minuscule amount of training for what their job is. Because it's really hard It's going to be ridiculous. It's going to be ridiculous. Then you learn what to do when they're not when they don't respond the way you want them to respond then you learn what?

12:47 George Floyd case a What's happening here hold on my partner over there has been on this guy for two minutes. He's from this situation so I can process what's happening and I can make a good decision want to get in trouble but then somebody grabs you you're instantly your your we need to pull them out of the field to train and that's not including you know like a car accident or COVID there's been a bunch of COVID but just

16:29 from a from a like an entire and people heard your wife screaming or whatever. That's what's happening. I'm showing up in a bad You got to be prepared for that whole spectrum as a police officer. There's one thing that's interesting just from a physical perspective. Like you, you ain't getting to that gun. we put these people in these horrible positions over and over and over again and

19:29 You know criminals will go there to commit crimes if there's no if there's no police there counterinsurgency the insurgents are you know bad guys inside of a country the school. They want to run their little market. They want to do whatever that, whatever they do, So, Americans, we go in there. to do is really focus on going out and building relationships with the local populace. How do we do that?

22:20 And since it went well, people said, what you have to do is stop your vehicles you have to get out you have to kids, 17 year old kids, 15 year old kids. Hey, they're too in it, right? pretty equivalent on purpose. They do that for a reason. So you got to get that. You got to She gets killed by the cops what they're telling me? Can I stay longer? I'm doing fine. You get one month into that deployment

26:27 here just putting it all on the police because everyone is playing a role in this. And one of That's a great hopeful thought. Hey, if you interact with the police we hate to have say this, but since our police sometimes are in bad situations, here's some things we recommend and we highly suggest and we beg. And he had more than a dozen complaints against him.

28:26 You know, I mean the, the, the type of man that can stay on someone's neck while they're doing that. other, about police are from police. So they come, they report each other. That's little known fact. each other completely. And that's what scares me more than anything else is if we can't talk to he's trying to do inside your country. Just, just, just talk to him when you open up the

31:34 And if you can get them to talk to each other, they can find consensus. Saw your mom in this situation and did this to your dad, right? Like this is real conversations, but we don't we don't have them and not only we don't have them. It seems like to watch, man. It's sickening to watch. I was reading a whole series of tweets where there's This is a very real issue.

34:04 But the idea is that there's problems. through the mainstream media it becomes this this huge inflammatory subject and They start, a couple, a few cops are now searching for this guy and they see a building with an open door. be a police officer that you can be going into a building and you shoot one We were talking about that and I said, you know, I think it might have a little bit to do with this

36:36 just Muay Thai kicks a guy in the head and knocks him out. That guy's not supposed to be doing this. So I think that is kind of where some of that, And he did. What do you do? and utterly corrupt that you said, you know what? or went to jail for corruption. Sometimes there's a platoon that's so bad that they just dismantle the whole platoon. so sometimes they'll replace a leader but if the and usually when they replace

39:47 when you look at, if you get a thousand people, how many of those people are going to be a real Everything I was talking about you're running scenarios. You're putting people in bad situations. You're using simunition You got some, let's say someone's really strong, right? That's helpful. people to go on his job. Instead of me going, Hey Joe, shut up. You don't know what you're

42:37 You need to practice them. You won't be good at them out of the gate well, you have to ask, okay, you're just talking about how many people are just naturally born great leaders. where the leadership is and what they're thinking and I'm gonna have my personal life picked apart job again in four years or two years or whatever the case may be? Like for me to, for me to want to go into the into the political world there would have to be

45:36 And I think he would have to run as an independent. You can tell that he listens. I mean when you see him interact with people he's he's very genuine how he interacts so know what they should be thinking. Let me give you an example. Let's take a SEAL platoon. SEAL So same thing happening in America right now. There's no kind of voice saying, Hey, everyone,

48:14 I'll be there on the ground. I'm gonna find out what's going on. I'm gonna meet with people. We're gonna talk door. No, that's not the way it works. That's not the way it should work. The way it should work is And from a leadership perspective, that means you and your team are totally bought into the plan. You better do what I tell you to do. going to get this solved.

50:25 If that's where we're at right now, let's come up with a plan. like you're talking Republican and Democrat. what I just saw on this video. I'm coming and I want to hear what's happening. And I want you to What mechanism are we going to put in place for security? really going to listen to you. I'm going to try and ask myself, well, let's see, Joe lives in this city and Joe's here with this community. And Joe is telling me right now that

53:09 I think, yeah, well, I really hope it doesn't get to that point. It's completely nuts. You know, I'd be the guy that was saying, oh, he thinks he could take you now because he trained for two weeks. So that you just go, you know what? Yeah, or you know, I agree with I agree with I'm going in the middle, which is where most of America is. There's a whole money thing where if you're not a Republican or Democrat

56:35 Just angry and just angry when you talk to him about this stuff It doesn't seem like a clear path. It seems hard for me to understand that biden could it could maintain his health you The schedule that's involved and traveling and doing all these speeches. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's so many. I mean, fucking anybody but Biden. The problem is, he was going to pick Klobuchar,

59:26 playbook he's kind of like following this obama playbook and i just don't feel it from him at all I felt like a wave across the country. guy right so who else who the fuck is there especially since it's gonna be biden and he said it's gonna Super level-headed. she's a a stateswoman she's a you know the way she speaks she speaks like a leader black, Mexican, whatever, Puerto Rican, Asian, everyone's out there.

1:02:54 that's the most horrible thing for me. There's nothing, you're losing your life. in that sense. And because of that, I think people are more outraged. And they're finding more reasons Those people with dark brown hair are fucking creepy to me. If they're not reliable, I got a problem. And it doesn't matter what color they are. Exactly. Yeah, and I think one of the things you've talked about that's very important is that a lot of this divide is because of this really shitty way of communicating, whether it's through social media or whether it's through reading stories or watching videos.

1:06:39 Here's why I did it, and this is what I was thinking, You're not there. It's a newfound way for us to communicate and a terrible way for us it's a new found way for us to to a person Hey, can you get this project done next week? and all of a sudden it turns into a perfectly good conversation. How you doing everything good you good like they have to get a good feeling out out of you yeah and you gotta say this is i gotta ask you this favor i

1:09:15 Massively. shaking hands, how you doing, talking to them. And then all of a sudden in three days, Phone calls is one step above that. A lot of it is fueled. Oh, God. So now everyone is almost strictly communicating by these methods that you're talking about. We've moved all manufacturing overseas, right? China's middle class is growing right now. Why is their middle class growing? Because they're

1:12:26 And that's a big focus for you, right? company origin in particular yeah oh which by the way I But now you realize like, oh, well, with COVID, you know, we were cut off from even getting goods and supplies from other countries. National pride's great. they can entry level jobs. I know when I was a kid, it was almost like, Hey, if you're not careful,

1:14:24 two years three years from losing the knowledge of how to actually do that and They have a skill set. and America on a large scale, especially during COVID, we look up and say, wait a second, And that knowledge because that's not that's not that's not our generation that learned that right we're we're pulling that information so capturing this knowledge so that we can become a self-sufficient country again it's got to be

1:17:43 oh, maybe I'll sell drugs. Maybe I'll commit robberies whatever I'm gonna do, but they're not doing it by choice in many cases or if they're doing it by choice You're going to figure out how to make it happen. Well, you know, even the big corporations would say, well, you know, we'd love to, we'd Didn't look at the economy as a whole. we can get people to work for nothing.

1:19:55 No such thing. I'll make them awesome. I'll make rocket ships right way to do this just for profit yeah it's it seems like we got a little bit lucky with covid yes like right a little bit Uh, yeah. I wasn't in, two daughters in college and my young daughter didn't get sick at all. I'm making a fucking All right. Here's it. So you, you didn't get to see that. That's a great point. Cause that,

1:23:58 And the amount of people that were actually hospitalized was way lower. it's one out of every 10 people are dying right but even he was making adjustments he said wait The lockdown did. Yeah, you've got to get on that. They went insane. I got some buddies that texted me. it because it looks like it doesn't help at all. The problem is people get shamed.

1:27:55 Held off on promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad even doctors couldn't get enough. It's killing. The kids get number. It's not a small number of people Okay. Boy, I guess it's when the government is already people just generally don't really trust the government a lot. That's really sick and fucking dangerous and you have to Your immune system is severely compromised.

1:30:48 You don't have to worry about it. Like, as a leader, I've been in situations where I did not know for this is I might tell leaders all the time that I'm preparing for. That is so much more acceptable from the troops than when you try we're not a hundred percent sure what the masks do for people, but we do know this inside of a Yeah, they were selling them only to hospital workers.

1:33:18 The United States doesn't open up soon. We could we could face permanent damage. 17 year old son should my 20-year-old daughter, my 18-year-old daughter, my 10-year-old, You can make an in extremis call. It looks like it really might impact our medical systems. Thank you. Yeah, I didn't know I could control freedoms. You got my vote Restaurants aren't making this kind of money where they can throw away 50% of their profits, 50% of their capability to make money. They still, cause they still got to have

1:36:28 they own Felix, well, she owns Felix, Janet owns Felix, and he's the head chef, and they pasta is primary that's what most people are of the fish and more meals of the steak and the pasta is primary. I think they were saying 14% is how they operate. But it's difficult. It's very She's got an Italian restaurant. bridges and Coliseum's and stuff I think some of the people in government, they've never been in business

1:39:15 You know, I have a jujitsu gym. to shut down for this period of a day and they need to re-clean everything like obviously the people that are making these rules have never You tell me. i i promise that if i do i will not train and i will get myself tested testing is readily available And if you're in a spot right now in your life where you can't have a test, well, definitely don't go and expose yourself till we know what the fuck it is.

1:42:01 You're not sick. No, they kept you a little bit separated, but that was two weeks ago. Yesterday, no That place had 75% capacity, and you had to wear a mask until you got to your table, thing about take your vitamins drink water It's a people that are looking around saying, uh, well, I don't really need to earn any money right now A bunch of goddamn healthy people in here.

1:44:39 that people are saying, people saying, oh, well, you just got lucky. You haven't been around Yeah. What was the date? His show in New York was March, the very beginning of March. deal does promo all this shit flies back home no sleep gets up in the morning drives to vegas with And he felt like shit, by the way his mom got it, Travel fucks you up. I was deploying.

1:47:16 Yeah, I would say because your kid your youngest kid didn't get it get sick in San Diego, California. But you know, so it's a big gym and you know, every 2000 members, all the time, he got sick. As soon as I get up there I get sick Has that ever happened to you? That motherfucker's never sick. Sometimes a marathon every day while he works eight hours a day, and then he gets home and lifts weights.

1:50:32 It's hey. It's a great day to run out there fucking I Like a good example is Tim Kennedy. train fighters you could absolutely see when they would overtrain it wasn't a big question you'd go A hundred percent. Just try. Especially when he first came out started training with me, and he's not he's not with us anymore You know some people are dwarfed by the moment. It's very interesting to say

1:54:06 And he's this French savage Muay Thai fighter who would basically get drunk every night. Like, this guy literally came in holding, he's got a cup, like, from, like, one of those to-go cups from one of the Vegas clubs. high level of muay thai it's very similar maybe not quite as similar because there's always this Just like a white belt in jujitsu. Just, just, he showed up straight from the club.

1:56:31 and the skills that he has. doing any striking he was doing very little striking and he's a really good ground fighter And you have to close that distance. And even that's no guarantee anymore. you have no chance. He's going to close the distance You're a karate guy, that's what you had. you have to make contact with me, especially in a street fight,

1:59:05 Who's good at takedowns when you're on the concrete that is the absolute worst thing in the world you get suplex on your head on? I can just run away. know how to handle myself in a grappling situation. So that's why I start with jujitsu and look, They decide in that moment to either fake it we going to do that? Well, we're going to teach them jujitsu and wrestling and let them have that base.

2:01:22 But the kids jujitsu, i don't think there's anything in the street is so goddamn dangerous because first of all you don't know what he knows and like I don't advise that. That's actually what I advise. If you can you don't need to fight them Chaos that comes with an actual fight whereas jiu-jitsu is full blast That's an incredible statement. It's a good level, right?

2:04:29 You you already have exhibited enough technique that you could actually one day achieve that just keep going and people are filming this and yelling. It wouldn't happen. When I'm looking at the video, I just think he just wants to throw his weight around, The amount of confidence that he has. If somebody actually knows how to fight and you've been humbled and you've been beat down and you've been choked and you know what that feels like and you know what it means and you know how that feels.

2:07:30 They're all wound up in it and you get to teaches you and fighting teaches you Yeah. Like there's mayhem going on. Real like gangsters like shot callers were making those things happen crews that are saying, oh, cool, we got some good cover right now. Normal boy behavior. Yeah. Gone. Looks like it. Gone. Yeah. people, you should be, you should go go outside go outside and go hike in a mountain

2:11:42 gone you're just monkey mind zen this total zen state yourself seriously. Look at that fucking body of water over there stupid covered with sand. You're freezing cold. It's just everything sucks. Everything sucks about it. And now you got to conduct your operation. quote your video good dude i listen to that in my head all the time and i'm listening i've watched

2:14:26 Let's make this happen. You're going to get that hormetic effect. kids books you know what i mean put those things i've you know those kids books like there's a one Yeah, and that's the that's the important thing to try and remember. Yes, you remember it. I remember it That doesn't feel good. I don't want none of that or just failure, any kind of failure.

2:17:16 Find a way, but there's something about good like just even saying it it makes me smile I run like there's something about listening to a great fucking song when a great song kicks on And then all of a sudden I got an extra gear. Right. Yeah. Fucking loser. It's like people think that it's easy What about the other thing like that's what's going on in my head? There's not something that's going

2:20:46 It's like, oh, people talk about staying hungry. I know. Yeah, there's no so now. I don't even think there's an end. No there's there's definitely not a man Oh, it's totally new skin for me like in the competition that I experience out of your head. And you know, there's six headplates. if you go How'd I miss that? Oh, it's just a total and a complete and utter disaster

2:23:48 Which is what you're trying to achieve. you better learn how to stop doing that one thing that's interesting is learning how to shoot a bow radically increase my accuracy with a rifle oh yeah radically yeah because it's so still there's Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. like translating for me he's like hey what he means he's translating it to that's Jordan and Kobe Bryant.

2:26:25 you're like god damn there's a lot of layers to this shit there's so many layers you know and Yeah. He's so good at cooking. jalapenos and the bell peppers and holy shit but it There's a high bar for accessibility. and there's a lot of guys that are willing now to hike in 20 miles because there's now this culture of these really fit backpack hunters, like these Aaron Snyder type dudes, who put these fucking heavy packs on and they just go.

2:29:26 out of their car and then how far are you going to go because he's willing to go 20 fucking miles in a blue belt or maybe maybe i'm like getting ready to be a purple belt maybe i might get my purple You can do this. Andy's there. John had never done before you know cuz Andy's like a sky god And I'm like does the wrong language. I would have pulled him aside come here So so he's like let's go a little bit and even that you know what I'm totally cool with that

2:32:41 big strong athletic guy he's six what is he six five at least? Yeah, so he caught me fucking he grabs this is the thing that I really I'm mounted. I've got the Ezekiel choke in. And in order to defend himself in his own mind, But as I'm doing this he's panicking and pulling me into him And he goes the doctor gets an x-ray, and he's like hey you put them in a kind of whatever presented itself maybe you don't lock

2:35:51 of go crazy and you'll just absorb it and deal with it and so they just try it let's see what Thought you meant it's all good between us. It's all good between us. He just said we do bow We're freaking fired up. I think every time he swallows he thinks about you. No, he coughs. So while we're hunting, he would be like, and then he'd look at me. This is over a year ago cuz I hurt my archery for a while I

2:38:01 And so he puts me across he gets across side. puts the think it wasn't I think was an action arm locks me I didn't know your elbow wasn't flexible. Oh, yeah. 100%. And by the way, just like Dean, Gordon's not only good at attacking legs, he's good at Regularly I was there that year. Oh, yeah, and I wasn't there that year. I was I was there when Eddie

2:41:01 I should have taken the back and gotten points and I didn't and Roy Nelson who is a great guy and he's a total stud uh he I got the crucifix position and he like Get to and then start to develop their own stuff, which is which is pretty crazy He's got an artificial knee. and how ahead of every position he is and how his deep understanding of it. And part of it is

2:43:18 this down and then he has this core group And at a certain point, I mean, it's actually I'm kind of saying it coming up like I'm like like there part of his brain is what the most powerful thing was yeah and then once people saw it they're like So he's always this creative guy, and he smoked a lot of weed, too. just think outside the box i had jeff glover at my training in my dream for a long time teaching

2:46:34 You know I go I and I said to my son, you know, I watch this guy that's about to come out And he goes, I didn't know you meant crazy. they figure out how to get around He said he said the easiest people for him to roll with were big, like, muscular guys. Really? He says the easiest people for him to roll with are big, muscular guys. Oh, is it now? freaking body. You also use it. You use it more than you think, you know, especially me. I was,

2:49:25 I do it every fucking day, man. Between that and, you know, there's a few other back exercises and stuff that I think So if you don't take care of it, especially when you are abusing it when you are getting choked when you are not tapping Yeah, I'm gonna be the first worst and I'm I'm right in line Do you think you can go too far with flexibility that it starts to injure you over the long

2:51:34 I just think that whole thing, it's like too many guys just rely on their workouts to strengthen that, Look, I know I had Ronnie Coleman here last week. nicer couldn't and in pain in fucking agony and still working friendly and oh wouldn't wouldn't I got to interview Louie. He would love you, man. He would love you. And he, you know, I think he's just all about it now.

2:53:54 We actually did the podcast at Westside. What a rare human being and was squatting whatever 729 world record at whatever 62 years old yeah but i wouldn't They gave him an artificial shoulder. Was to hurt Louie when he came in the gym my goal was to hurt him Nobody knows more than you. Right on. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.