Joe Rogan Experience #1499 — Aron Snyder Transcript

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0:00 What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. We finally did this. When are you going to get Snyder on? Got to keep it moving. if you don't text them right back they they'll send you question marks like, question, question. Didn't have a phone, no computer, lived in the woods, slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress. So I slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress in my, you know, you bring I wanted to hunt a lot, get out in the woods a lot. So I slept on a Thermarest air mattress in my, you know,

2:05 She's like, who the fuck are you? Like, we're in walmart they're like snyder and she's like is that a Yeah. and you've got to be able to get out with an animal on your back He was the, not the, you know, people get sensitive about that. Like, I'm the first dude that shoots a recurve that, you has somewhat known where for people that don't follow hunting let me explain you

5:06 and I would have stick bow guys come down to me and tell me I'm unethical for shooting that distance, It was weird. It was weird. And you take a guy, you know you know shooting whatever 290 feet per you you decided to go to a recurve bow yeah 100 which is for people You know he can get into a small group at a hundred. John Dudley, the same thing. It's very accurate.

7:40 home, I'm having her film me breaking down things. So I thought, well, we're going to see if I can, This shouldn't be a problem. Well, and I was lucky because I had that whole family there to help me, right? And I finally squeaked it in, missed it at like 18 yards, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, Snyder took it. And I'm like, ah, this isn't, you know, I can get this figured out.

10:19 you're reading about it, wisdom, you're experiencing it. Well, I thought what I knew You could kill it quicker. Like, what are you doing? the first year I shot a mule deer at four feet in the cliffs when I drew my bow back. he's fucking hungry is what i was like i bet i mean it it i have technology on my side right and Luck and wind. right i wasn't at the right rock and i i because to go that far and hit the exact same spot is is

13:56 every 10, 15 seconds, I took a step. I got to nine yards, and I grabbed a rock and threw it. Were you throwing a rock to try to get this thing to stand up so you'd get a shot? And this deer is feet from me. And I was worried the shade, they'll think it's a mountain lion pouncing on him. I'm just saying like you have snuck into its living room. been how often do you think about like i mean i i find myself thinking about that all the time like

16:36 He was awesome. think of that a lot when i'm getting my ass kicked basically it was like if i had to live off this characters of this woman uh cynthia ann parker who was abducted when she was uh nine years old You are. the forest and to the woods to the animals to the just to the earth itself you you are and and i way as I was. So when I started there, whatever, a decade ago, he was, I wouldn't say enamored,

19:33 I'd be like, Patrick, man, we got a lot of stuff going on. And I'd do it, bring them back. I'm a logging community in Oregon it's right off the Pacific Crest Trail. I mean, that's all we did. I was on a trail crew team clearing off wilderness trails with a fucking He'd keep them in his office. It was a big deal. And so, you know, we didn't have any money. I was poor as a kid. So we picked

21:51 away um the first bow that I got actually I was 13 I'd mowed lawns all summer and worked or whatever seven years old and i think about those days because i remember being nervous that i that we There's a, like a nervousness or a drive that I don't think you can replace in a kid that grows up affluent. My dad drank a lot of beer. but I also probably spoil her too much

24:10 And now they're just like me. She speaks two and a half languages working on a third show. Well, I we've done good between my ex-wife and I, because that kid budgets to a point. It's what makes a kid a kid. nothing and my dad is a huge pothead right i am incapable of I had run up we lived on a hill and I ran up the hill and then ran up the stairs into the house and I

27:17 be a father to his daughter is to to especially like to set them up for the future is to show them how they should expect She's 19. It's like nine miles long. would wreak havoc and then go Yogi Baron, you know, get camoed up, I live in Denver now, for God's sake. It's like you wouldn't want to go through it again, right? What is that old expression?

30:25 I did. Oh, did you puke like Luke? and Luke is just yakking uncontrollably. That's pretty solid. I was his first guest. Used to be a fighter. Just to remind you of that, Luke. If you have pick guys, you get Dudley and Cam and me and you and I don't know if you know Levi Morgan. He just loves talking shit. Yeah. An upper decker? That was crazy. It's strong, but it doesn't have the

33:51 Shout-out to Houston. Yeah, well, it's supposed to be at 75% capacity. The comedy store just furloughed all of So we're fucked. They checked temperatures in places. I mean, I don't see anything good coming out of that. How unhealthy people are getting just sitting at home. Obesity. because they're even in like, uh, Texas, even though the restaurants were open, I think,

37:00 You know, we took four months off, I guess, just paid everyone or whatever. They're disciplined. Yeah, that sucks. He's a comic. So that's at least eight hours in the car, just driving. I think he was run down already. Like he might've had a little bit of a cold already. you put the guy if you if you put him on a ventilator his body would stop working it's like if if i give your body this uh machine that starts working for and your body stops working there's no

40:04 do all the things that me at a thousand yards and he you know his thing was is why the fuck aren't we giving people dieting advice? Right. So she drops me off at the bottom of the mountain, and I go to the top. Our health system is all about fixing you once you're broken. I say that as I just jammed a giant wad of chewing. How bad is that for you, though? no advice at all on eating healthy and exercise. Yeah. It's sad.

42:40 But other than that, I mean, there's not— He's still chewing Copenhagen. So I went from a can and a half a day to about a can every four days. However, it only has a little bit less nicotine than Snus. So you don't have to pack a wad of mulch and stuff it into your face? Oh my God. I'm talking about being fat and unhealthy and I'm chewing Copenhagen.

45:00 Well. me learned how to do that on sets because you couldn't just carry a bottle around and spit into it or spit into a cup. I guess in three months if I text you and be like, hey, fuck, I quit. So you take caffeine to avoid migraines? But I learned really quick Well, they're giving me these Band-Aids, Now my head itches and I'm all kinds of goofy.

47:04 Is that what's giving me the migraine? Jamie pounding a fucking nail through my eye socket. so when you get them No different when your kidneys rub together. They rub together? So your esophagus is rubbing together from you heaving from the pain of the migraine. concussions from the service or I had one bad one there. I had two bad ones in football, flipped a

49:26 And so whatever. I get a migraine the next day. Well, when I say thickened, this says no scientific nothing. basically said the same thing. She's like, well, we'll take credit for it, although I don't know that it has any scientific weight on the subject. I was 100% truthful. It's very difficult to get motivated for things. I'm bad about that. I thought I had, like, allergies or something.

53:18 Yeah. people with a regular doctor. they gave me the x-ray I'm good at photography, When I have people at work that come up with an issue and they're kind of embarrassed, I'm like, look, there is nothing you have fucked up that I haven't. It's horrible. to talk with me. Yeah, but I think that one of the reasons why the company is so good and you guys make

56:05 I get it I'm gonna get better paperwork but your ass is coming with me on a 10-day backpack hunt Yeah. I don't know. And I'm like, I got a cell phone. Well, no, it's actually better if you spend money and pay the bills. I save and I buy. So I go to, believe it or not, I go to discount tire. Oh, my wife went and got, we got a B&H photo card. kick out of it because she knows how i mean you know obviously super close to me and so she knows

59:50 Yeah. i i literally was like oh if i want to set up binoculars i'll save up and buy binoculars how John Barclow works with Sitka Gear, and he and I are – if he wasn't my brother, you would have never known. basically just talking about that. Like you get pasta, top ramen, simple stuff. three or four weeks without food. With water, it's a couple days. And so I'm looking at all

1:02:30 a multi-fuel stove burns kerosene, diesel, gas, white gas, burns everything. No one uses those anymore. They're a little bit heavier. But things like that, that multi-fuel stove, everyone should It was really crazy to see. Oh, well, the local game warden, we taxed back and forth. No experience. You're not really waiting anything out. and refrigeration and all the different things that we use, supermarkets.

1:04:24 I have no idea. And then what to do if something happens. 14 solo. clean them up. You know, I get thousands of emails. We're going to take your money, and you're not giving it back. That's what gets them. He's not a gear – when I say he's not a gear geek, he's so fucking tough. You don't get – you can hardly punch your clown in that fucking thing, let alone have fun in it.

1:07:14 I mean, it has some, but you get condensation in your foot box. And I'm like, yeah, you're not fucking Cam, right? right? I've heard some amazing excuses for coming out. The realities are just not tough enough. And But then once you do it for a while, you go, oh, okay, I get it. with being uncomfortable. And most people in everyday life are not comfortable with being

1:10:05 Pull that shit up. So how I got, which actually this leads into. talk about this the guy that's actually purchasing kafaru with me i took him on a goat hunt the day the pack. And then I'll grab the dumbbells and I'll do five to minutes of shrugs or just holding the weight up with the 45s then I go and I put it on a self it's a self-propelled treadmill too right yeah i have one of those outside one of

1:12:27 Yeah. They're like real fat, smushy shoes. I got one out here. Yeah. it's a different world and it'll KO you. I mean, you'll be down for a couple of days because I was like, take a kettlebell that you can press fairly easily, like a 35-pound kettlebell. Have you ever used one of those? They're pretty amazing. It was hurting my forearms. But when I say bad, when you've kind of committed your life to backpack

1:16:26 Because there's days you just don't feel like doing shit. you're gonna find reasons why you should do less or especially if you do like what i do is when i You're going to do 50 sit-ups. about writing it down. Yeah, I got a whiteboard uh yeah in fact i wrote something on the whiteboard once and a bunch of people i think I was at four for a long time.

1:18:47 I go to sleep well. Tracks my steps and calories and everything. The batteries. Yeah, yeah, supplementing with solar. And so those are the days when I say I don't want to do anything. You got all this technology. drawn around it. And each one of those is a square. And as you break that down in squares, And then I plot it out on my map. But you actually know how to use a compass and navigate and actually use a map.

1:22:10 So if I take a line and I'm 700 meters easting or to the right, so I go over 700 meters, You take your compass, and it's basically out of the 360 degrees. So that's about 45 degrees. Yeah, I'll write it on a map. I went to some land nav schools. Anyway, before we get really fucking boring here, once you learn how to do that, you're never lost. Have you been formally trained in this stuff?

1:26:16 a creek somewhere but generally where that creek's at let's say a trail crosses it there's a hand that I never really took into consideration was the fact that But those can fuck with your compass. Well, it's funny because I even have, I have a compass in my, I keep a compass with me Beside it, a little Suunto. So, you know, where we are, you know, these guys have lived there their entire lives.

1:27:48 But being lost when you're young and almost dying, that'll help you probably want to learn too. 11 the first time? When you were 11? young right like backpacking all over the place and and uh i've always liked to do it so you can as long as you can get the animal out especially especially mule deer, you can pack it out. It's a cool feeling, you know.

1:30:21 i know quite a few guys that have sustained injuries with a heavy pack you know i have like crazy stories when um uh one of our buddies it was he And that night I ate everything I possibly could, like drank water all night. And so Frank and I, we did it and we marked it out. to come help us out and he's hardcore motherfucker he's. He's like, yeah, I'll be up.

1:32:19 Like, it's mind games now. There's hikers. I get hydrated, and thank God, you know, my buddy went and helped my other buddy. You start talking about cognitive skills, dehydration, everything. He hadn't drank any water. About. So he shoots this thing across this glacier. And so we didn't get back till 2 o'clock in the morning. in terms of like just the difficulty of the terrain and the the dangers of it yeah um that

1:35:25 The pressure is much worse than it's ever been in Alaska. Yes. Okay. You called the grizzly in on purpose? Fuck, it hit the ground, and it was coming. And I'm like oh cool you can hear my shutter on the video fuck it hit the ground and it was coming and I'm like oh well and immediately me I've been charged enough to where I'm I'm an 10 yards is nothing.

1:37:24 who I went with when i stayed in the it's a fraction clay lancaster's been on 320 sheep hunts. 320. That's a lot. That's not about fucking died my uh my legs swelled up we're drawing circles around it well the first couple Man, you got to listen to the podcast to hear the whole story. we are a long long long ways from anywhere. How far? One of my buddies must have had a Big Johnson

1:40:40 And think of the stories that would have been told after. but what was funny is once it went back down, we just duct taped towels around my calf muscle to go on moose hunts because it was so fucking painful. Yeah, it wasn't that—it wasn't— But you didn't think it was going to. You thought you were in the woods that went away in like a 24 hours oh yeah it wasn't that

1:42:09 Yeah, and it showed them a lot. i do when i go to canada now because of their weird government i i uh i shouldn't even say The Asian dude's hands swell up. And at 13,000 feet, the sun is way stronger. Look at that giant hog weed. the one in the middle the left that one yeah they look like that so frank comes over and he's like dude what the hell is wrong with your hand

1:44:50 can we see an image through that shit went and they gave me, I don't know, all kinds of steroid cream and shit. And it went away in a day I don't know. You just made it too big. It wasn't that tall where I was at. Well, it's funny because when I went, they had no idea. And they're like, what is it? Well, we'd been in there 12 days. We get on these two deer we're trying to get and he's not getting out of the tent.

1:47:31 And that fucker hiked out nine miles with pulmonary edema. Like I might have to get help. And he must have ate in the woods. And so to show you how the moxie that Frank has, that it was just from rice and poop well we're not doctors but that's what i chalked it up to How big was it? And hiked the mule deer out, turned around. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

1:50:23 But every time I tried to pee, I texted my buddy Tony and said, hey, what is the nearest hospital to this trailhead? And I'm like, look, dude, I just hiked out six miles. Tink, tink, tink. Not very big. I think Aldo, Jose Aldo, has gotten those before. I believe that – which one is Thor? Australian actor Liam Hemsworth told Men's Health that he had to completely rethink his vegan diet after ongoing surgery for a kidney stone.

1:53:28 And then I found out about the dangers of oxalates, and I was like, oh. Knees are great. Your kidney stone was bad. Serious. What do you do if you're in a lightning storm? So I just get in and I listen to an audio book and try to pretend it's not there. and he said something about this reminded me of i think he got hit with an rpg or something So anymore, Frank and I just hunkered down and I listened to an audio book.

1:56:38 He's like, six times. See if you can find that. Park ranger. I would go home and talk to my wife Yeah, I just don't worry about it, though, anymore. What jamie this one says another guy hit 10 times 10 god another guy's I don't understand why he keeps hitting them. What the fuck, man? That might change your idea. don't know man but those are the things that'll probably get you you know like talking about

1:59:54 When you get, when you, because you get, if you have service, you can see where it's going, right? What do you do? while he was helping her with the clothes, Like, what about a person's biological makeup would be so different more... He's a park ranger. Right. Well, Jordan's story about the Wolverine stealing his moose fat was hilarious. I had a lot of people ask me, and I was like, yeah, I'm not eating that fucker. It's nasty.

2:02:12 If you were starving. Those taste pretty good. It wasn't the tail. It was quite delicious. Yeah, I've had beaver, but the tail more than anything. and then slow cooked it in a crock pot it was actually very good like we were stunned it was don't give a fuck is pretty famous oh you know how many memes i got a honey badger don't give a shit Yeah, I've seen them chase off wolves from kills.

2:03:56 That's a honey badger. Because I know they encourage you to, you know, whatever, shoot them. Yep. I just, you know, when we were in there, it was like. What's interesting about that is I thought he was just making that up, A wildlife photographer named Carl Amon, And he got photos of it? If I ever saw it, I'd certainly want to go find it more. That'd stay the fuck out of the jungle.

2:06:53 hybrid if that's possible see that's the one that's the camera trap on the far left so you see Look at the size of his hog. That is the original photo from really, really early on. I mean, imagine a 400-pound chimp, six-foot-tall, 400-pound chimp. Fuck you. That's wild. They get real gray when they get big, sort of like gorillas. It is pretty wild watching what some of the, like I got hit by a black bear once running,

2:09:48 Oh. And he clipped me on the side. middle portion out probably had peanut butter on my hand and i was pulling arrows oh and you I mean, the first time I hit it, And I, anyway, I ended up killing it. And I said, did you hear it? luscious grass right and so when i stalked in i actually pulled my camel off and i come at me that fast usually they'll just stand up there and they'll stomp the ground.

2:13:01 Well, I thought, okay, that should slow him down. And I hit him on the other side. It's a weird animal to eat, too. mail from a deer than, than you do something that can, I like just because it's weird that you get less hate mail from a deer than you do something that can eat you. Like they're endangered. to be truly not to hashtag conservation but if you're worried about other animals you have to

2:15:40 She was just scared. away the people didn't finish their meals. Like I get like, well, I got three, dude, I eat 500 pounds of meat a year. Humans are, we're real complicated animals. because that must mean that they're better at treating it, or maybe people have a better understanding of how to survive it, I'm 100% support of the protests, 100%. And then I see these things where, you know, there's there's a six foot thing.

2:18:52 But, you know, in two weeks when the restaurants and the bars shut down again, we're going I bring that up all the time. Think about how bad would it be to rewind 80 years. I'd like to say I read though. I read articles. So when someone does something like what you do and what you prefer to do, that's what makes it so extraordinary. so that they wouldn't buy them so that health care experts can get them.

2:21:09 Please, in the future, don't lie to us. like actually you you have to it's mandatory yeah the whole covid thing is a different it's different But the problem is, you know, obese people people diabetics older folks and that's what i don't But knowing as a converted fat kid, like, fuck, I wish I had some help when I was younger. That's the kind of shit that you see sometimes,

2:23:14 Well, I had seen a bunch of those PETA videos, and I was like, I'm going to do one of two this is the most satisfying meal i've ever had in my life this is how i'm going to live from now on I'm goal-oriented. It is hard for me to explain to, you know, to have a little bit different perspective because i've come from that the sticks and whittle my own arrows like i i have really full-on comanche i've i've had a lot of

2:25:55 I like that accuracy even though it's not where I was with a compound, I don't know Jesus. When you're using a traditional bow, but it's made out of aluminum, like- I know, right? Kind of. Right. Yeah. I was just going to say I get hate mail all the time for it takes a lot for me to get any engagement or any I thought that would be good for the community.

2:27:40 I mean the feathers for people that know the feathers for the arrow. It hits the shelf and you get get contact bounces off so i had that though the wood is made from a cnc machine riser, and their limbs have carbon in them. No, people are weird. But for me, that was just a tool that increased my opportunity while I was out there. I mean, I know there's a few people that do similar things out there,

2:29:55 It was pretty crazy. Kind of underlying, you know, go fuck yourself. And then now it's obviously worked out because they're addicted to it. They love it. it with a rifle you know especially people that don't have any experience in it but i think there And they're right. It's too hard. you'd probably want the shooting of the weapon to be the last portion because a lot of people would want to just do that and bounce.

2:32:28 like recognize actual distance of things by thinking of it in terms of like body where the known 3D course had a shot a lower score and those guys had range finders. That's When people talk about, because you get guys like, I would say, me and Cam, not a tournament guy. And then you think he's hitting fucking quarters not knowing the distance out of 50 yards.

2:34:42 Like, these guys are fucking unbelievable. That's extremely rewarding. been addicted to archery and then later on down the line that newness wore off where now well I'm That's why I don't do CrossFit, to be honest with you, because I'm super competitive. We had Matt Chan on the other day he's All your hobbies take time, so I don't fly fish. Class with you I get it's great for you

2:38:01 Exactly. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but, I've talked to people that are real like legit trainers like Steve Maxwell who said And when you look at those guys in those competitions and the girls, the girls scare the fuck out You know, some of those fucking dudes are so impressive. Those things look like a recipe for me to fuck myself up. I do some straight leg deadlifts.

2:40:05 I used steroids. what I took he didn't matter so I was taking 250 milligrams or one milliliter I was taking Ecopoise. Trin is not good. The one thing I found out is, Well, and I, you know, I'm an, like the first time I took Ecopoise, it's a horse decongestant. People ask me about it. I'm like, don't do it. Eat healthier. You know, there was horses and pigs on the fucking container, right? Idiot, right? People ask me about it.

2:42:22 And the horse fell in the pit with my daughter, and I started crying. My estrogen levels were like through the roof. Did you get yourself checked out after it was over? how many back surgeries did he say he had something crazy yeah like more than 10 back surgeries. Jesus. though it's like you go into a gym and grab two 200 pound dumbbells and you start doing incline

2:44:36 The thing with, well, trend, that's why I got off it. After you get off that shit, you get really, really depressed for some people. No, I know, right? And they were grunting and deadlifting and dropping. something and it's heavy something's probably gonna come out of you right you're gonna you're like it i was laughing because well i'd say laughing like for me once i got out of it you

2:47:14 Right. They said that is frowned upon here. And I was what is frowned upon here cat phrases because i how i was doing it Like, rub some dirt in your crotch. I'm like, you're you're fucking weak. Just push harder. That's that's the key. Keep trying. Then start with do some push-ups, do a few things. I'm still 260 pounds at 5'9". And so I am probably not the best for advice because literally, if you're the guy that's with thyroid problems yeah definitely that but you can get checked out and so

2:50:06 fuck, The years I've known you, Well, Do you do that now? It's just a healthier top ramen. And then in that, then I put a—so when I do that, though, I put a ton of olive oil in it because of the fat. right meaning or boil it until it is if I have extra fuel. And then it's ready to go just like that, just like So there's a few new companies off-grid.

2:53:42 not trying to get it to stay forever. Yeah, I'm not worried You put the meal together yourself. you cook burger don't you like really people come over and well my wife's a real estate agent she So when people come over and they're like, That's the thing when people are, I'm like, how do you fuck up a roast? to taste good, right? It doesn't matter. And so the last one, that big, big one

2:56:39 Bad preparation. I know. Kefaru International is the podcast. It was awesome.