Joe Rogan Experience #1510 — George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell Transcript

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0:00 First of all, George, pleasure to meet you. George, I think that you're probably one of the most important figures when it comes to journalism and UFOs. and watching countless Bob Lazar interviews. and it's always out there somewhere. Hey, I wonder what the deal is on that, but had not Ned broke that story. If it was true, I'd already know about it. This is crazy. I'm eavesdropping, as I tend to do. I'm a curious person. So as he's

2:50 was that guy what was the deal on that ufo stuff is it real i had him on again six months later Everything. hints that he knows a guy who might be going to work out at Area 51 and knows something about S4. I saw nine couple hours with him and we walked out of that meeting thinking, holy shit, what if this is true? out on the line. Well, look, we decide, let's take our time. Let's look into this guy's story.

5:58 We didn't even have to stop for security. I had no idea that there were so many people out there interested in the topic. his home, breaking into his car, leaving the doors and windows down, just messing with his head. did tax returns for people at Nellis Air Force Base, and he had got to know these guys really well and got information about crashes.

8:33 and destroy it and take all the notes. And she agreed to tell me the story. It was just a tiny So six people who had offered to give me information on the phone, one right after another get visited. And it made me mad. It also made me mad that dealing with, you know, trying to fill remembered him from being there, but the lab kept telling me, no, no record of him. He's never here.

10:30 Yes. That pissed me off. like what they were working on. And that's one of the reasons why he was saying, it's very clear he's educated. second. Don't buy one. I think I've got the parts that I can make you one in my garage. And a week flamethrower though lazar made a flamethrower this is before your buddy elon made no comment It really is the same story, and that's really hard to do.

14:48 like a small figure, like whether or not they were trying to determine how large a creature would have to be to use one of those small crafts. Everybody wants to pretend their So we recorded this long interview. allergy test. But yeah, I mean, you know, to your point, just real quick is after 30 years, it's not what I saw through that window. And I appreciate that. He's so straight. Yeah, he's very straight.

17:37 The Los Alamos lab story was him. We'll put him in the movie. And I said, look, here's the point. You said Bob Lazar was a AP News picked it up. When he has a history of this, he also made a hydrogen-powered Corvette later on. He liked machine guns. a thousand different products like the hat, the Las Vegas 51s. Our AAA baseball team became the Area 51's door. All of them, they have all done it. And Bob's story about reverse engineering

21:05 And I'm like, you should watch the documentary and then you should watch the Commander Fravor How did they do that? From 1947 to 2020, in terms of the universe, When I got him in front of Commander Fravor, all of us and Matt, we were all in the room. And they started talking about gravity amplification. That thing is self-rotating. Just have it right up to your face.

25:38 But Lazar is parallel with what we're seeing today. the propulsion system for this craft. He knew there was a place called S4. There Bob knew a lot of stuff that he couldn't have known otherwise. is going to get leaked out and they want to somehow or another discredit it, they'll connect it to really loony stuff that is absolutely not With Bob, everything that he talked, it's so eerie.

28:19 That was never mentioned anywhere at Papoose. over a stone man. Every time. So it was called a cloud chamber test. It was in an office. So, yeah, he had it in a puck. It's sitting in there. had this little chamber and it bent light. Now, they showed me the video. I don't pretend to be saucers. It was so his friends didn't think he was fucking crazy. So they film it and lo and

31:23 I got it. I found it in these old tapes. He's like, Jeremy, that doesn't show the cool part of the test. Right. You can look at it over there, Jeremy, if you don't want to turn around. We're looking at the surface of this clamshell. You didn't see it bend. of the tape that still exists, but it's not blame him it's my fault but i understand but why is this in the film then if nothing's happening

33:50 I mean, I've looked. That seems like a big deal, though. It's kind of funny. Two weeks ago, somebody put something on Twitter. No, the guy says. Really? That's his life every day. So have I. like in terms of like what does your son do oh he's a scientific expert on the history channel And when I did that sci-fi show, I love Dave. Here we go. You know, 90, 95 percent of it is total crap or it is honest misidentifications of prosaic objects.

38:55 This is all nonsense. I'm a reporter who is interested in that. facts. And there aren't that many of them. And to figure out who's telling the truth, I know I have a lot more facts in my head. It's a mix. The most immediate reaction is astonishment, because of all the years I'm chasing this, We need to look into this. We got to make sure it's not Russians or Chinese. And we have to figure out who's got this technology because we don't. It's not ours.

42:42 They leave them in the dust. And I'll tell you, Joe, there is stuff bubbling right under the surface now that is going to rock our world, I think, in the next year or so. I think he met Area 51. facilities and things along those lines, has that been substantiated? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this happened we scrambled jets. The military personnel had reported this up, and the things go away.

45:25 And they looked up some of those guys. They found some of the nuclear missile officers and security And I met a Russian physicist who was here in the U.S. to lecture on disarmament issues at national labs. And he says, you know, I do have a guy at the KGB and interviewed him. And these were former military guys. There was a guy named Colonel Boris Sokolov, who was a goldmine of information. He told us

48:05 couldn't catch them. Three of the instances, these UFOs shot them down. Two of those pilots died. hands. And it tells us basically a lot of what we now know about our own government, that they have And whatever this thing was, it entered the launch control codes. he and his team sent there to investigate it. We don't like to admit it, whatever they are, are not firing beams and wiping out our cities, you have to consider it a threat.

51:13 There was a craft. talk ever, I'll never forget this because I'm talking to a fighter pilot and I got to talk I wish we did. Like anything else we know, you got to have something going back to go forward. Incursions over high security airspace over our weapons systems. the technology that was used to track these things. go to they're going to go well mick west has already debunked it and i've read the stuff that he says it's mental gymnastics to try to explain it the way he's explaining it without recognition

54:38 I mean, look, it's so exciting that we're seeing something and the government saying, OK. Explain what a FLIR pod is. These things are, this is not Instagram. you can't pinpoint on a bird. You can't lock a weapon system on a freaking bird. right? But they wouldn't be colder than the ocean. Yeah. So that's the piece of information I would attack I understand that.

58:24 They said it's a plane banking away and you're seeing it through thermal like that, the debunking theory is that you're seeing a plane bank. So as if our military doesn't know what another plane is, All I know is that it is self-actuating. it, the Pentagon says these are unidentified. And, you know, if it was a bird or a jet engine, the pilots would not have the kind of reaction that they had that you can hear on the audio.

1:00:40 And some props to Tom DeLonge. The result is other media covered as well. Congress, first in front of the staff of the Senate Intelligence and then Senate Armed Services, from the Pentagon on UFOs. Lou Elizondo worked on the program, then they said he didn't. They've said that the OSAP, I visited that place. was a guy I'd never heard of before I don't need any help.

1:04:19 which he made a science advisory board And I told Harry Reid about it in 1996, and he said, can I go? Skinwalker Ranch. NIDS, that team, bought the ranch. They were on the property for seven or Well, it starts with UFOs because that's what got their attention. The Uinta Basin hundreds and hundreds of files. He gave them over to this guy, Salisbury, who wrote a book about it.

1:07:22 ghost-type activity, poltergeist kind of things, trickster activity. And they find it two weeks later up in a tree. They would see holes in the sky, like a great big hole in the sky and things flying in and out of it. He must be stuck. They looked like a little bigger than a softball made out of glass They had these four prized bulls, 2,000 pounds each, behemoths, very expensive animals because they were raising sementol cattle.

1:10:29 looking around all over the place? In this corral is a metal trailer where they used to store They had been in Las Vegas. stalked and it played tricks on them. And they never made this stuff public because what are you going to do, write a paper about this? They're not taking photos or something. They wanted to go away. So they don't have any evidence of

1:12:46 The thing moves over here. It certainly was for them and for me to try to write about it in that this thing didn't want to be caught. indicates that something's wrong. And they see the mom cow is dragging its evidence of this yeah photographs yeah video can we see that yeah where is it i made i made a movie This trickster element has been reported in other places around the world.

1:15:52 to try to find UFO information, but other related phenomena, So he's not a UFO guy. before it happens. It's normal. And afterward... Why? The weight of evidence is when you talk to people in the area and they all have these So you have a scientist like Dr. Colm Kelleher. to look for another spot where it could have been slaughtered before it was moved to this area well

1:18:44 instruments had been used. it so i think the bigger point is this was happening on this ranch with owners prior to doing this you know two farmers to get them out of there let's say it's some program i mean although I've seen a lot of that. That's what it looks like, if I had to guess. There's like a hole cut out. The guy calls me. I'll show you after I got it on my phone. Yeah. So I got great fucking's my experience. Do you get pictures of this? Yeah, I filmed the whole thing. You have it on your phone? I'll show you after.

1:21:56 So let me. It's in deer. So you hit a deer that's got this, and you grind it up, and you feed it to pigs. No, but it's coming through. Jamie, can you put your AirDrop on? Hold on. Oh, gosh. That and weird stuff included things like cattle. huge area of land. That right there. Stop right there. He's like, that's exactly like in the movie. accidentally he was out shooting bb guns with his kid and he's on this big part of land and he sees

1:26:32 Is that a natural thing? However you want to say it. Yeah. no it was like a it was like a serrated one was a serrated tool and the other that's the thing i'm I've never seen anything. ever found to be doing this stuff. NIDS was there for all those years. They didn't want to tell this to cows? Why someone's phenomenon sure i'm gonna look into it what i find more interesting is what's happening now

1:29:50 He looks around. an organization called BAS. Again, it puts together a team of experts, 50 or 60 employees, thought it was the devil. And now every time they get caught in a lie. It continued for a couple of years. I think Fravor talked about it when he was here, grand pods stashed in a barn somewhere, whether it's Roswell or other alleged crashes,

1:33:31 So these are like scientific reports based on the government study of UFOs. This paper is on metamaterials, so how you could engineer existing Earth materials where you could duplicate what you're seeing up there. hundreds of cases that have been investigated and that's what that paper How would you track that? say, you shoot it with microwaves and it could develop certain special properties?

1:36:17 well, we also have materials. made a presentation in Las Vegas in Have you seen any of this? No, I haven't seen it. Bigelow and Hal have. Have you? I've seen what people claim. We didn't find anything extraordinary. But I feel like we're missing the big note here. if there are crash retrieval programs for vehicles we don't know where they're from, I think it'd be pretty hard for them to...

1:39:36 Is that how you say that? Ooh, that's cool. That he has alloys that came from UFO crashes or runoff- whether you have him as a guest or not. He's a strong dude. It doesn't have to find aliens. So they want to know whose it is and how we can duplicate it. with some sort of rational explanation that he could pass off to the general public. It comes into an atmosphere over Cuba.

1:43:21 Then it takes off again. That's a heck of a meteor. It gets over near Mesquite, because I ask that same question to everybody, it's the fact that we're being lied to. you know, that's our enemy? I mean, who is operating this craft that comes in from outer Totally. I don't think they know either. apparatus, sensors that detect things coming in and out of space and radar. Somewhere there's a

1:47:14 A lot of people go, get the fuck out of here. Because we've manipulated them. but nothing that came close to what we are. And if you look at ancient uh ancient primates and us the leap between them and us is so is so unique. Well, you know, people say, I want disclosure. But what if it turns out that we're an agricultural product, you know, that we are being harvested for something or we're being allowed to breed and kind of a science experiment?

1:50:48 far more curious, and obsessed with innovation. and then boom, bombs go off. Just social media. Okay. Give it some things and see what it comes up with. And then come back and try again. Because everybody's like, oh, it's amazing. I mean, I remember going to, I forget, maybe it was Denver. They're not supposed to be alone in a cage where these other weird primates walk by and stare at it.

1:53:45 Like, how are people going to react? efficient than anything he had ever seen. So the idea that people are funneling this information, Like other retrieval programs, material programs, stuff that Bob has talked about. project without the whole group coming together and getting some sort of a comprehensive They probably had gone through the best scientists that they could and they realized, look, no one has any idea.

1:56:55 Yeah, but the problem is the reason why he spouted it out was it was so clear that they had nothing to do with that. there's no way they're playing that kind of 4D chess. This is the fucking government. They're too goofy. Yeah, it's a weird thing. talk about this for hours and hours, and he knew it was all going to come back up again. It could have been that and the pressure, but the pressure is not innocuous.

1:59:25 because he's a really smart guy. He said, I don't know. And, you know, and Andrew asked a bunch of questions. But, you know, it's so frustrating. going to continue. I don't think we're all of a sudden going to say, okay, this doesn't matter There's a UFO. And then at the end of it, she goes, oh, there's one thing I forgot to bring up. their car stops,

2:02:04 where they were saying, do you believe in these UFO ab time again. And I had this conversation with someone where And look, we know what we're willing to do with chimpanzees or gorillas or any other primate, orangutans that we find in the wild. There they are right there. Maybe I'm just looking into it. because it's the original, to Bob. I mean, he was called a liar and basically I think his friends were accused of murdering him

2:04:30 and at the aerial school. testing all the kids and trying to see consensus what they saw. But when I met these two women who worked with me on news radio with Dave Foley. Like, there's all these different people that don't know each other Who the fuck is going to know? How are you going to hear about it? think he did have some experiences. I don't know that the experience has continued. You know,

2:07:40 What does he think they are? I mean, this guy has been doing this for 30-something years. years. And he's been dumping it all online. So all of his collective wisdom over the years of And he was hit by a car, right? and i'm like oh you don't see an installation that was built to not be seen from the air I was like, well, you're having an argument with someone who's not there.

2:10:42 You know, I had the support of my news director and the station at the time. I'm not chasing this because I've got a hole in my heart I'm listening to the witness testimony and trying to figure it out. it's about some crooked politician or cops And, you know, I get to be a little more creative on Coast to Coast because it's a four-hour show and you can let people go.

2:12:49 don't I get to do this? Because I've known about all this time. I kept quiet about it because that liars and scammers out there who will mislead you, but there is information that can be pursued They see everything is there. I used to have a bit about it. He just won't do it. It does mention aliens. It just recalculates how likely it is there are alien civilizations in our solar system or our cosmos.

2:15:49 how many are inhabited. Yeah. What the baseline of our information is about all those different topics I told you about. Yeah, it's okay. People are talking about this in the zeitgeist. And of course it's like soccer moms from seeing craft that are right there, I know George has dealt with this for 30 years. Is that what you think? Or do you think it's just

2:18:43 it's amazing how much of an impact it's had to kindle people's interest, not only in that story, but in others on the general topic. Everybody, like 10 years ago, everybody's like, That's just us saying, physicists, we're right. But if they, and he didn't believe in Bob Lazar too, but I always felt like there was I don't think you get in the room. Just empty out. Empty out all your predisposed notions of who the guy is and look

2:21:14 These things are piling up, Stanton. conversations and exchanged letters over the years. Did you ever say what if he was telling the truth? All the things about, Why not? And I'm like, Jesus Christ. nothing for me? I understand. I totally understand. I don't see anything there. Yeah. I see a dead cow. Yeah. There were PhD scientists on that ranch for 20 years, some part of the time working for the U.S. government trying to figure it out.

2:23:35 want us to see them, we wouldn't see them. It's like the Tic Tac. There's the Tic Tac sitting But why? doing the film and working with George on it. It's hard for me. Where is the concrete evidence? Like I didn't exclude Bob. that this is the only inhabited planet. Some people believe that. I don't, but that's pretty It's like, go ahead, let them figure this shit out.

2:26:20 And we see these displays, you know. Do some of them do and some of them don't? something impossible. They come in all shapes and forms. It's just that as we look more, we're the reasons he started the program. It's because he's had indications that those other governments I don't. That alone is just bonkers. Yeah. That would be a gravity-propelled craft. No sonic booms, no splashes of water. Yeah, so I'm just curious.

2:29:43 Where they do these lectures, they tour, and they do these UFO conferences, and they just get together with other bullshit artists and they make a living. And I'm just a filmmaker, not just a UFO researcher. Are we alone? steady chain of evolution that's gone on for millions of years. And a million years in terms of biological life on Earth is really nothing.

2:32:23 Well, if you keep going, what do you get? and that it always gets to some point where some really intelligent when he was talking about his neural link, And in his words, you'll be able to talk without using words. Maybe those things have weird skin because we realize like regular skin kind of sucks. It looks like what we could be. Maybe we don't have a million years. Maybe because

2:35:41 Maybe they're looking You know, cars sound crazy. Go back in time. straight up like take notes yeah it is the ultimate who knows question, Did anybody ever reach out to you I mean, you know, so no, he hasn't even, he was hoping one other employee would. However, I have had people that He started as a flower fund because no one would send flowers to wives when people died out there.

2:39:10 want to keep going on this, but I pursued this guy. I was trying to find in the early 90s people me these stories and clippings and photos from the nuclear weapons program. And I'm watching and told me was different than what he told her. He said that they eventually told me that they had was there was a congressional investigator. His name was Richard D'Amato, and he worked for Senator Robert Byrd. And he oversaw black budget projects. And he got onto this UFO story from Whitley

2:42:12 the Russians, containing little concentration camp victims who'd been experimented on by Dr. Yeah. He was taken away by armed security in the middle of the night. I think he has something to do with This was a concerted effort to get me to believe that he had worked out there. it's filled with curiosity. That's the good thing. Human desire. Everybody,

2:44:54 There's a lot of kooks and crazy people in this field. and trying to figure this stuff out for themselves It doesn't make any sense. It's not do you think. sitchin's interpretations of the sumerian text but what if he's right like what if he's right What is this? There's a lot of evidence that points to that. There's a lot of evidence that points to this period. I mean, and Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have done an amazing job of

2:48:41 What is it? And then the almost instant changing of the ice age, the floods that followed. It's a breakaway civilization. Why are we here? We want to know. If I ever saw something like that, like Val Kilmer in that movie, The Roller Rink, if I ever saw that, that like Val Kilmer in that movie of the roller rink if I ever saw that I'd probably just be like cool

2:50:52 Yeah. man, his mind, when he saw this impossible thing, and I believe him, he did see what he said. I've wondered what would happen if even less than aliens or whoever they are, if somebody were to say, all right, we're going to show you. I'd shut my mouth. then I tell people they're not going to show me anything else. Yeah. It's, um, it's a hard one. Do you have family members that

2:53:03 I was like, holy shit. It was wild seeing that thing fly across the sky. It would be so hard to get a super accurate, like recallable memory of what that thing is. something big. And I'll be like, okay, cool. Is that it? Is that where your story ends? And almost every time Thanks for having me joe