Joe Rogan Experience #1512 — Ben Shapiro Transcript

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0:00 Hello, Ben. You look slender and healthy. You can't get outside unless you're actively exercising or they come and arrest you. No? Like, were you worried? I got to give you some elk meat. You have to do kosher, right? So, I mean, not to get too fast into the biblical stuff, but the original logic back in the day, a very sharp knife So what do you do when you have a medium rare steak?

2:07 But you're a logical, intelligent guy. You've got to embrace the system. of does support the idea of maintaining these sort of rigid disciplines, is that when things suburban in orientation to just overrun with horror shows is really, it was a lot faster than I thought it would be. But it's sort of a great, you're right, it's a gradual decline, and then it's just off a

3:58 No, downtown LA was a no man's land. So we said, just one of those goofy Sunday things. Everything smelled like piss. Well, the thing is that that sort of disaster area stuff in L.A. was sort of localized, right? And honestly, I feel bad for these people because I don't think the best solution for people who are drug addicted or mentally ill is to live on the street.

5:31 And I thought, well, this is falling apart rather quickly. people smoking crack right there. And the guests on the show, like a lot of them, they fly from all over the country in a shitty spot because it's really cheap to film here. Not apartment buildings. If people had a bunch of stuff that was on the sidewalk and they're just camping out there, And then it was you're allowed to live in your car.

7:48 it should be equally spread across the city. And they shut down the entire county While stealing Nikes. We have to be, it was like, what counts to fuck standup comedy, And I'm like, maybe we can finally make a dent on racism. like... Maybe we should take into Yeah. Like when when the when COVID happened, I thought I can't really see how we're going to split in

11:06 And I think people should. It ravaged Spain. terrible. And then on the Floyd stuff, I had the same feelings. I don't know a single human being Maybe we'll take a look at qualified immunity. Let's have a conversation instead about like just completely defunding the police. I mean, New York City has had record crime, record homicides. So weird. swath of our media and

14:00 I guess that you can do that now. I'm also for your freedom to go to the gym. when they enter so that if anybody gets I trust most Americans not... I wasn't saying masks don't work. So this idea that Gavin Newsom knows best how you ought to live your life, I got some trouble with that, especially because California saw the same uptick as Texas and Florida, and California never opened.

16:19 really have a designation for comedy clubs. think bars probably had a significant uptick. Lots of singing, lots of vocalizing, churches We don't have a vaccine. What about a protest for increasing your immunity? alcohol, eliminate caffeine, eliminate sugar, eliminate all the bullshit in your diet, The number one vector for transmission remains the home.

18:48 Yeah, none of it makes any sense. So the economy collapsing at the same time as the George Floyd protests led people to start looting. arguments that conflict with each other. One was But for the other hours between sunset and sunrise, he was unbelievably peaceful. If you're protesting, that's first amendment activity. They're trying to burn down the damn courthouse. Yeah. And the and the feds come in or start

20:51 That wasn't like the Gestapo's thing. I mean, like, I'm sorry. Well, this is where we get into sort of the deep philosophy point. in that group too, right? That would be racism. I believe that you're inferior or you're superior I mean now the NBA is not racist except – it's because it's a meritocracy is the reason the NBA is not racist because obviously it benefits black people, right? I mean, now, the NBA is not racist except it's because it's a meritocracy is the reason the NBA is not racist.

23:17 books. fighting the system. Explain the 1619 correlation to people, if you would. Sure. So the 1619 project is a history of a system that is endemically white supremacist They essentially make the argument that from 1619 to 2020 is a continuum. And that is a great stain and a blot on America. But the story of America is trying to fulfill the because we're not included in the bargain. Include us in the bargain. The story of America is the

26:59 Yes. People have histories. 60 years, yeah. And it is important for people on my side of the aisle, conservatives, to acknowledge and recognize the importance of history in people's living situations now. That's the way that those issues get alleviated. The way to fight against that is to make good decisions. And so you fight against the system and how much of that is an 18-year-old kid today deciding to pick up a gun and shoot somebody?

30:18 and you're not one of those 18 year old kids that grows up with the incredible influence Well, I totally agree with this. no influence that's positive in your life, the idea of saying to a kid like that, hey, And he openly talked about this. taking a forcible step in favor of alleviating people's lives. We've now spent $22 trillion in the war on poverty, and we have about the same

33:23 because of increased racism. That is not happening because of increased racism. You don't have a good jump shot because your father didn't have a good jump shot. That's how you look at it. Someone has to do something to influence those kids in a different way. or whatever bad influences they have are overwhelming and they they don't it's it's very difficult for someone to just air quotes

35:59 That's true. Being able to move outside your crap local public school and go somewhere else would be good. and figure out how to engineer them out of the situation. I mean, these are enormous quantities of money. But I do think that there is an argument that there can be some way of engineering, whether Most black Americans do not live under the poverty line in the United States.

38:23 How do you fix the south side of Chicago? book called Ghetto Side, and she points out that the reason that black crime was so high in the You need an opportunity the same way that opportunity is built anywhere else on earth. that law and order prevail here, a safe space for life, liberty, and property, and ownership of that helps fill in the gap, right?

41:01 And I think although that might be an unpopular opinion, I agree with you. I think that is very important. Now, what do you do in this environment when you look at the way people distrust the police now in particular? can't get served because people won't serve cops. And this idea that all cops are bad. And this is a really, really disturbing perspective to me because you're seeing what's

42:10 So you could do something bad, but as long as nobody else has done the same exact bad thing before, you're not subjected to civil liability. is because the standard used to be, you would have to act as a reasonable police officer. He'd be personally liable. Third, you need to have a national registry of cops who are disciplined for violation of procedure so that they can't just leave LAPD and then go work for a Ferguson PD.

44:20 It's a rotten job, man. I mean, I have nothing but—for good cops, they're heroes. I think that it is also true that our standard of what constitutes a bad cop has in some ways become much more stringent. is a white guy pushes this old man down. and the most bonkers part about that was the way the President Trump having bad reactions to things. There's a lot of good people out there,

46:18 it's counterproductive nonsense. The problem is when it happens, it doesn't matter what the statistics are. If people How can you present the data? And this has been going on Even on a percentage basis, you have to use the control group of crime. That might play a factor in why there's more white people being killed by cops. It's conflict by people you know, mostly.

49:40 Don Lemon. And Terry Crews was like, well, why aren't we talking about all black lives matter? And Terry Crews was called some like, don't have babies out of wedlock. no potential for escape. I agree, but the first thing that has to change... Well, you make the life decision that you're at that point in your life when you want to make a decision along those lines.

52:11 many people that have been the victim of this. It's disgusting. There are a lot of shitty men you first have to commit that you want to make the change before you make the change. If you make up your mind you want to get married, what you're going to look for is commonality of values. to actually build a life on that. People are indeed silly. someone physically. And, you know,

54:16 A lot. Literally, it sells lifestyles. Well, of course. Great book. And your level of kind of committed love, right, it ain't going to be like it was when you were 20, right? That's where you and I probably disagree. somebody before you get married, the higher divorce rate after. People feel like, okay, I lived with you for three years. Right? We've been married for 12 years.

57:38 and I almost universally believe that they are distracting themselves from their life. It doesn't mean when you have to only be with one person Distractions are distractions with every discipline. And I think relationships are When the companionate love starts to rise, people are like, well, yeah, but the companionate The ultimate biological trick is like, look, when we were monkeys hiding from eagles, okay,

59:48 He's like looking at her and thinking, maybe I can do better. They look great. Porn is all hot. You show up and two girls are having a pillow fight. better life if you use the prefrontal cortex a little more often. Yes. Unless you're Hugh Hefner. O.J. Simpson had a mostly peaceful day. Right. We were having fun. I had a TV show. of things looks way better than the actuality of things it's true in politics it's true in love

1:03:11 now and then, while he's having sex with those 24-year-olds, And he's like, oh, God, this is the worst. Dude, I went there. It was a fun night. Yeah, yeah. That's a problem. I wanted to show you something. Exactly. How's that possible? doing that? And who's doing that? So, LOL. i'm like show me how you did this like what are you doing she's using some weird app like

1:06:57 It's sick because these people don't even look like that. Everything is flawed. Very, very easily. Very easily. that my 13-year-old know how to shoot than my 13-year-old if you give a boy a phone, And there are all sorts of studies that demonstrate that this leads to 50%, right? I mean, it's got to be extraordinarily high percentage and none of that is good for

1:09:15 And I just thought, in what Hugh Hefner fantasy did women decide that all the women at Hugh My wife's a doctor. She can get of all standards whatsoever. Everybody shouldn't have standards. And if you believe that anybody televangelists, that's what I look at like pornography like I think that Yeah, that's deserved. making money a lot of different ways in this country.

1:11:45 All right. Right? Right. Here's the counterpoint. Why is it trashing the American flag to take a knee? a lot of people that have been mistreated by police and murdered by police. If you want to interpret it that way, you can. Oh, yeah. It wouldn't- if that was the thing you had to do, But he's taking a knee. Colin Kaepernick taking the need to symbolize that America's police are systemically brutal

1:15:27 and they're straying in front of the store. Well, I mean, I agree with that. Yeah, the immortal Blaine Gabbert, the Hall of Famer People try to talk knows nothing about sports. Locking arms is okay, but kneeling is bad well no well the way millions of dollars for his bravery again He's just not a very good quarterback. You're doing it wrong. that we be left alone, leave us alone. And it took time, but most Americans came around to that

1:18:41 That seems crazy. showing all these videos of bad cops. So I'm trying to remember. I don't think were black. The Eric Gardner one is much. He charged the cop by witness testimony. All the witnesses were black. So this is one of the problems. like they should be warned up front. If Derek Chauvin doesn't get convicted of first-degree murder, it's going to be very hard to convict him.

1:20:52 What were you pulling up, Jamie? Do you know which incident kind of kicked it off? And I have to help these people. And as we talked about it, we came up with taking the knee because there are issues that still need to be addressed. Okay, look at the one right below that. let's say it started with this Kaepernick had guns drawn on him by cops for being one of the only black

1:23:36 that things go really far in one direction and then really far in the other direction and sort of... As much as I dislike what Colin Kaepernick's doing, I don't think that he should be blackballed I mean, like if he were Tom Brady, I think that he would, you know, be getting a contract. Controversy sells. Pancakes are racist. But if you call it Trader Jose's, then that's, I think they called it exoticizing.

1:26:02 Like how many Hispanics were picketing outside Trader Joe's being, Honestly, I'd love to see the racial breakdown of the people who signed this petition. What was the word about Rick Bayless, So watching this guy's videos, it's like I love someone who's really into something. And I loved watching him. way and then talks about it with this great passion but the guy just got shit all

1:28:07 And why is cultural, It drives me nuts. Yeah, exactly. the name of everything. we should change the name of the town. Here's my controversial statement, okay? We focus instead on like the dumbest bull crap you ever heard about renaming libraries. you're talking about we're going to fix the world by I think everybody was bad with women back then of his wisdom, was like, what are they going to do next?

1:30:34 Also, everyone was bad. I don't think we're the only good people in history. And what? came to the Western Hemisphere. Christopher Columbus came, that Christopher Columbus doesn't deserve a statue in specific, Nobody – The idea of America as Columbia, right, which was an alternative name for America, was after Columbus because he was a discoverer. Everyone who came before us was just a horrible person, and we are the only good humans who have ever—

1:33:15 that George Washington helped build. Well, I have news for those people that were trying to break people and say, we understand now how deeply flawed they were and what was wrong with George Washington the good things about people. the underlying flaws of human beings, which means you actually have to think through the policies You saw massive graffiti.

1:35:40 So they appropriated private property. It's crazy. But there better be broad scale agreement on the things you want to do or a small majority of people can really hurt a huge minority of people. I think they think that human beings are going to be fundamentally transformed by a different When you're married to someone, it's certainly easy for my wife to see all the problems with

1:37:34 of civilizations over time, and then you look back at the United States, you think maybe the system system, you will shape humanity such that we are all saints and no sinners. You're out of your mind. muted from the Western world. And did you see that video of the Chinese ambassador in Britain being asked on the BBC about that tape? It's right behind him.

1:39:14 well, you know, this is where Mark Cuban just had an exchange with Ted Cruz the other day That seems like not an internal issue that you're not allowed to criticize, really. Yeah, that's a big one. But We'll have mutual trade. I mean, Xi is the most powerful Chinese leader since Mao. the American system is good, but flawed, and we need to work on the flaws within the system. Or fundamentally, the American system

1:41:56 Hillary won by three points in the popular vote. He's fundamentally non-threatening. Like with Hillary, the untold story of 2016 is that Trump didn't win. Making it easy to vote for him, that's a toughie. ...