Joe Rogan Experience #1515 — Dr. Bradley Garrett Transcript

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0:00 And... The mustache, lower piece combo. Val Kilmer is Doc Holliday. Because you do have one of them preps, you know, you just try a little too hard But every once in a while, I'll see someone in a grocery store or whatever, and I'm like, okay. Did you live there before you got obsessed with prepping? Jamie's going to turn this towards you there. I spent a lot of time with them.

2:47 So I send everyone messages. And so I didn't go, obviously. we can just enjoy it. But if we ever needed to all sort of leave together at the same time, we could go to the cabin. And every time I come back to California, I think, damn, this place is unique. That's not bad at all. So if you want to do mushrooms, it's a good spot to live. And cities just suck the money out of you.

5:43 Bang. I'm wheeling her out of the hospital Yeah. You know what I mean? That's true. But I have to say, What would we do? But the thing about Big Bear, right, is that when we were in lockdown in L.A., in the early days of it, like, again, I'm speaking from a space of privilege here, you know, because my paychecks were still coming in and whatever. And when they shut down the beaches and the trails in Los Angeles and I couldn't get outside anymore,

8:45 Yeah. that shows that it dies almost instantly it's in sunlight so when you're outside at the beach I was out in Joshua Tree yesterday, and I went for a seven-mile trail run. But I was on the trail way out in the middle of the national park, right? My buddy Matt Staggs recommended this. I guess that's how you say his name. Well, this obviously was written a long time ago.

11:22 Yeah, but that's just some people are just they they're angry Yeah. But I think a lot of that comes from feeling belittled, right. Like they've been mocked. They've been made fun of. Sure. And, you know, people are people were prior to the pandemic embarrassed to admit that they were prepping, you know. Yeah. I mean, which is odd. Yeah. In fact, I've been working on this book for three years. And about a month into the pandemic, I get this email from my brother who's here with me right now.

13:09 in order to not stockpile in that way, And it's like, if you weren't stockpiling, you were effectively committing suicide. driving the trucks. No one's going to deliver anything. And then what preppers would say is we're 72 hours to anarchy or 72 hours to animal, That's a lot of meat, yeah. pasta, which, And thinking through, you know, what, what might happen, you know, in a blackout or the,

16:10 preparing, you know, having something that can purify your water if everything goes weird. Well, so I mean – and this is the thing about disaster, right? So you have an endpoint there. about all the different businesses that have been impacted. What did she say, like 15%, 14%, something like that? Here we are, July. I would have, yeah. and they scared the shit out of us.

19:41 That's what we have to worry about. And so you got both those things right you have you have um the possibility of something Liver, kidney, just blood clots everywhere. So here's the thing, regardless of where this virus came from, you have to imagine that there are governments and individuals who are now keyed into how effective this visit, this virus was at crippling capitalist economies. COVID's pathways, right? I mean, it's international flights, it's international trade, it's people

22:35 Well, I don't know either. artificial intelligence, climate change, you know, synthetic biotech, all of these threats that we And a lot of the preppers I talked to were – If we get hit by an asteroid, I mean, it's a wrap for humanity. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is one of the great red herrings of our time that all of these wealthy people lot of time there matt lauer bought a crazy farm out there he's got like a giant ranch well that's

26:45 and gun them down because they're overpopulated as like a hunting sanctuary. There's an animal called a tar. I think it's an Asiatic animal. It's this crazy hairy looking. It's amazing. Well, they've decided recently, it's a very controversial decision, to eradicate them. if you eradicate all the animals that were brought in with colonization and you can get back to some

29:38 The Maori. No. So they're these, they're 3D maps that are made from like I went to Australia to do a degree in maritime archaeology and then I went to London to do a PhD in cultural geography. Wow. What is that? It's the wind, the t those images supposed to represent? What is that? You ever heard that word? So here's the thing, right? can you throw one?

32:08 We probably couldn't get away with that now. So he talked about Clovis cultures, right? Yeah, and that's what you halved the shaft to with some sinew or whatever. And that's what the Aztecs were making their weapons out of too. It's amazing when you look at this and you go, okay, this is probably hundreds in Nevada. I was Oh, it's really nice. Yeah.

35:32 I excavated in Mexico and the Yucatan Peninsula, in Hawaii, in Australia, and in southern and northern California. And after a while, you just become totally desensitized to it. Suddenly I've traveled through time, right? Right. It's because you know someone made the pottery, We found a temple in the Yucatan that like the local people knew about, Like how many people have seen this thing

37:45 We bagged it and tagged it as they say in archaeology. Yeah. And I always felt like, well, that, you know, that village that's there, that's their shit. Why are we taking it? all of their ancestral homeland, like all of their spiritual sites, all of their graveyards. I mean, all right, well, why don't you just hang out for gotta i've gotta do something and she said you know what the problem with you white people is?

40:39 their historical records? Well, that's what this was actually my one of my first academic articles fabric had been altered by that inundation event. it was difficult to pin down, it was more, you know, qualitative, right. And so I had to, So those federal agencies have records of what happened. There's probably more people writing things down now these days, but they've got oral histories that go back a long time.

43:33 Yeah. you know, there's like traditional paintings that you see that are often Do you stitch that together by just knowing the place so well that you can kind of depict it in that way? When they would do that, sure um so that's why i like going out into the landscape i love going out for a couple of days Or how about that ancient Greek computer thing?

45:58 Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie? it is really cool I mean I typed in ancient Greek ocean exploration tool Essentially, it's an ancient computer. Just pull up ancient computer antith... That's it. I mean, I don't even know what they used it for. So this is... was even capable of adding multiplying dividing and subtracting mechanism gathered interest

48:50 Oh, yeah. And Randall Carlson is an expert in astrological or, excuse me, asteroidal or meteorological impacts. they found this stuff when they do core samples somewhere in that neighborhood of 12 000 years and what's left is this kind of kernel, right? it's all Zacharias Hitchin flood story comes from because it's going to create. And the last time it emerged was 4,000 years ago. And that's where the flood story comes from

51:43 is you kind of, you know, chaos. It's not just aliens. Exactly. Zechariah Sitchin is fascinating. You should, I mean, They have tails like monkeys. This is 6,000 years ago. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. getting from these people that are interpreting this language that's essentially a dead language. is those from heaven to earth came and that they had come here and that they had you know done some

56:12 Just the stuff that you can't get away from is really weird. clearly the center is the sun. Venus. preppers, I took a lot of heat from some of my friends in academia. What do you think that is though? whatever binary you want to pick, you know, and, and for, you know, I mean, we could go over the She's a seven. Jim Baker and his food. Oh, man, his survival water.

59:28 It's just a bucket full of Bibles, you know, just in case. Yes. Yeah. Do you remember, then there was Jimmy Swagger No one admits to anything anymore. How many Bibles you get? We need at least a table worth. I love watching him feed the audience and they do a big thing of rice I think his stuff is freeze-dried or dehydrated. It's actually delicious and healthy.

1:02:25 Check this out. And they were going to revitalize these into these kind of like crystal blue lagoons with white beach sand. know to keep intruders out just a fucking 12 foot high wall of bible buckets but he i i they had this Huh? I know. It's not just Black Lives Matter. I met some really interesting people on this project. Survival condo. So they're 200 feet deep and they had a nuclear-tipped ICBM, intercontinental ballistic missile.

1:06:01 Dude, this guy converted the entire missile silo into a subterranean condo complex. Yeah, he's got a pool with a waterfall. What is that? I don't know if it was this group, but it was real similar. Penthouse The missile silo. Is he selling these? Yeah, totally. or a pipe rather. Pipes you have to relight He's got redundant filtration systems, pulling air from the outside.

1:08:05 in there for five years. Dude, it's in the middle of Kansas. Yeah. He'll come pick you up, you know, that. And I said, dude, what keeps the security guards here after the caldera blows or whatever? view rather of the outside like hey That's our buddy Adam. That's what he's doing. and this is all they do is they build these kind of bulletproof, How little does your dick have to be before that becomes an option?

1:11:02 So I drove that one there. You know, I watched that movie. A lot of them told me if we're talking about an extinction That's what it is. Whatever's underground, If you ever got divorced? Yeah. I like it. So I asked them, what is the plan to escape the disaster when it hits in this vehicle? And they told me a couple of stories about, you know, people who were waiting for FEMA to show up, basically, waiting for FEMA to get their act together.

1:13:46 yeah they're missionaries so so yeah i started to think of these as rescue rigs with missionary zeal Like Mormons are so nice. the guy was it's like l ron hubbard in scientology you know who the guy was. It's like L. Ron Hubbard in Scientology. It was a liar, and they caught him lying, and he's like, the angels came and took it away. in 2020 not only that

1:15:41 Mitt Romney's dad couldn't run for president can't have ten wives, asshole. They're like, well, we're So they stayed over there. Those are the Mormons that fucking Mitt Romney came from. They're the opposite of Jews. and spaghetti bites and all this flour that they're producing. What are EMP? Ezra Taft Benson during sort of the height of the Cold War or the beginning of the Cold

1:18:50 You think back to the Civil Defense Administration and the construction of all of those shelters and stocking them with those disgusting biscuits and stuff. But it's based on a girl and her friends that were kidnapped into an underground bunker cult. What's that guy's name? And they wake up in there and their whole lives exist within here. And when I was down there with Larry Hall in the survival condo, he, you know, he turned on the quote unquote windows.

1:21:16 thinking to myself cheers hey cheers bro he and i'm thinking to, what if that is a recording of when I got here, right? I met Hugh Howey, the guy that wrote that book, Wool. I think you're in the harbor. I later email Larry Hall and I said, have you ever read this book? the collective consciousness yeah that's that thing where like if a rat learns a maze on one

1:23:29 And you want to be vindicated. Well, isn't that the problem with having a president who's that old too? You're on speed. And then at some point you're like, actually, I need a bit of armor here because I'm not able to do the things I was able to do before. And you can feel yourself declining. All kinds of things can happen. And it's hard to know whether

1:25:37 Like we think, yeah, the world is in constant chaos. it's going to wipe out your island that's very dangerous but if you're in the middle of fucking Kansas in your multimillion dollar bunker condo and some shit's going down in North Korea, like how is that even affecting you? He goes, where the fuck is all this happening? Ted Turner. The idea of the internet, the idea of this rapid and instantaneous distribution of information is we get all of the bad news first because you need the bad news.

1:28:10 Like, hey, why didn't you tell me that first? but you had a couple minutes right if they launched from soviet union they launched nuclear When I was in high school, we were really worried. Like, we're going to die. mushroom cloud oh my god it's terrifying they didn't know what that was going to be like either. but we haven't quite caught up yet in terms of our ability to manage that like we we we have this insane

1:31:08 So it's this new thing, but we don't have the tools in terms of the understanding and the psychological preparedness. what's not happening is the one-on-one communication of people who care about each other. launching bombs and spray painting Yeah. It's just kind of a sense of unease that you live with. we've got our supplies and, you know, we're going to ride this thing out. And then these rioters are another community. They're like, we're going to burn this shit down. We're going to start

1:34:06 But once we developed nuclear weapons, I mean it was impossible to shelter everyone from this disaster. Sort of. tribe, right? Because they're like, if you can't protect us, we'll protect ourselves, right? I don't trust the government. Oh, for sure. Without a doubt, without a doubt, but countries number two. Okay. But look, if you, Isn't it funny that they're neutral?

1:37:02 that they're preparing for things. I mean they got like – it would actually be incredibly difficult to attack that country because after the Korean War, it was essentially flattened. Is that what it is? Yeah, I think parts of it you can look at. Yeah, formation. There's so much stuff underground. And these beautiful tunnels that stretch down. They're beautiful.

1:40:42 That's actually, that's a sewer in Paris. That's terrifying. Uh-huh. Oh, wow. You have a t-shirt on that says, do epic shit? a big dslr now i've got a mirrorless camera but they're all they're all tripod shots that's the Right. Yeah, exactly. So underneath the sewers, you had utility tunnels. So gas, electricity, telecommunications. Yeah. Yeah. When you're talking to all that wasn't what was promised.

1:44:36 We've got battery backup systems. The northern lights, the aurora borealis, is coming from the sun. Toby Ord at the University of Oxford called The Precipice, is that if we had a Carrington And of course, like everything else, we've offshored their production. Yeah. it's strangely one of the few things that Trump and Biden both agree on, right? Everyone in this country has a phone.

1:48:27 the different uh coltan all the all the all the different things that they need to make a lot of Yeah, I've seen those lines of miners going down into the pits and passing buckets up. the mineral goes you're taking these guys in africa that essentially they're not slaves but The new Zoom, the nighttime feature. The other 26% were shitting their pants.

1:50:51 Blood in the mobile. So on this one street, there's a whole bunch of warehouses that are sort of back to back where people are getting all this stuff, TV, cell phones, whatever. Like whatever he could just cull, you know. Paddling? But I went with him for the last week of the thing, and it was fucking hilarious. Well he tried Not it? What's going on in that guy's personal life?

1:53:50 Yeah, well, we certainly have an issue with that. but they did it with, I believe it was a satellite, it was it was smoking and so he drives over the landfill and sure enough like all of the all of They would do buffalo jumps, you know, buffalo jumps. with just blackened soot and everything from these buffalo just eventually catching on fire And you might only use three of them.

1:57:29 but they the thing is that it is wasteful in terms of the human being killing the animal do they use If someone shoots a deer and maybe they hit it and it only hits one lung and this deer can go a mile and then dies and they can't find it. over carcasses. You know, that's how you felt like if someone's looking for someone that like Yeah. And what the world was like before the European settlers came was this spectacular but incredibly brutal environment.

2:00:29 no quarter. Cannibalism was rampant. Yeah, because there was a sense that if you ingested somebody's body, you would also ingest some of their power, right? Yeah, there's a lot of craziness to that. There communities. I mean, you can actually see it. There was So, I mean, it's an interesting thought experiment Those two things changed it incredibly because the barrier between Western settlers

2:03:07 Horses were actually – they originated in North America and then – But there's a guy named Dan Flores who wrote about all these different – he wrote a great book about the coyotes too called Coyote America. And they figured out how to do it far better than the Europeans and independent of the Europeans, So they would have their left hand where they were holding the bow,

2:05:08 arrows. They lived off of buffalo, and they took over a giant chunk of the West all through Texas, Oklahoma. Like, holy fuck, this is a dangerous goddamn place. literally couldn't get through them. you know, things were shifting. There's no oral history for it. So Tulum is on the coast, like just over from Chichen Itza. And if you don't know what it is, what do you do?

2:08:52 kind of off-grid communities, places with sniper posts, and then you would find these through a historical moment. And that's before the pandemic, right? Like I started this book in 2017. And I sat down with him to have lunch at one point. And she told me – I know all the park rangers are going to be out there. In more ways than one, right? That's terrifying.

2:11:56 That is where we're going next. now and there's so much division. Then, boom, aliens. I mean, it just seems like the nuttiest Fighter pilot who chased this Tic Tac UFO. They found this thing doing things that defied the laws of physics and their understanding of propulsion systems And, you know, people kind of laughed and made fun of him, Is that just a business plan?

2:15:12 I mean, there were a lot of people that I encountered what makes them tick. And by the end of it, I was severely disturbed., because they, they, they do seem credible to me, you know, and it Oh, you're a Trump supporter. We like things binary, one or zero. and they hired me to go to Nevada. This guy has been dealing with this story and this ridicule of the story for 30 plus years.

2:18:13 Finally, after waiting 30 years, the government admits to possessing alien craft. On another note, this is the only social media account I have. I can't say that. 113 or 115 rather was real until 2013. 2013, a particle collider detected it. So they proved that it's an actual real thing. It is bonkers. Yeah, that's classic Orwell, right? Like you create the other over here and then everyone consolidates to confront that thing.

2:21:26 it's clunky and he clearly has a great I mean basically his theory is that human beings spend all of our time justifying things that have already happened and sort of explaining them away. Yeah. He's a mathematician. Yeah. Rather than thinking about how do we prepare for the impossible thing that's coming next? The harm is ridicule. if you write for a newspaper and there's a lot of woke people that also write for that newspaper. And they're very critical of the way you dismiss certain things that are taken into just part of the cultural zeitgeist today.

2:24:55 They relish in dismissing you by one particular misstep or one controversial perspective, whether it's about aliens or viruses or masks And we don't do that right now. In the time, it's not. I have a family. And I mean I'm an academic. this is their culture. How did the police get your notes? So we go from those sewers to the electricity tunnels to the infrastructural systems to the bunkers.

2:29:11 But I mean, at some point we got into I was like, what do you mean there's a manhole above us? It was just telecommunication hubs, right? So we took a map of the tube from 1932. And we set a map from 2008 on top of it. And what you see are a bunch of stations that are no longer on the map, right? That's your I mean really cool stuff. And we're all excited about it.

2:32:31 It's a haunted station and whatever, I've written my PhD. And I fly back from Cambodia via Singapore, and the plane lands at Heathrow. I don't know. They have me, like, retrieve my bag from the baggage claim and they take me through passport control in handcuffs. And you're like, yeah, let's do it. Like we've committed conspiracy to commit criminal damage.

2:35:09 I showed up at the airport and you weren't there and whatever, you know. So we go to my house and we unlock the door with these keys that the police had given There's like pieces of the door all over the floor. you had just trespassed, which isn't a law. We just trespassed. Yeah. But they spent, taken off and put back on to a vent shaft. They needed a win.

2:37:38 Like they had put flags on my passport. you know? So like I go to court and then they're, take your passport back. Yeah, they still do that. the next day i was supposed to fly to sydney to go speak at the the festival of dangerous ideas you know whatever he said And he says, you shouldn't use that. God damn. Like what was the ultimate judgment? went to my lawyers

2:40:24 and then the money went to the lawyers and the lawyers got me off and it all kind of worked out. That was called explore everything. I will topple his Google rankings someday, I promise. And then London Rising is the third book. It's just so weird Bradley, thank you very much, man.