Joe Rogan Experience #1519 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 Hello, Mike Baker. Ah, yeah, we needed that. this is the FDA-approved ones that we use here. Oh, good. Are you weirded out? went into a hurry lockdown. And the good thing is pandemics don't last, right? But you have a real one, right? and we've lost over 150,000 people. hunt, but I have a feeling like the tone of coverage will change in November if Biden wins.

3:40 You can believe that we're fucked because of the politics, and you can also believe the science. Now, there's all these people that are coming out and saying it's not. when you get that say it's bullshit? Do I believe that whole team of doctors? By the way, Andrew Schultz has Like, that is so crazy. I mean if we can't come together as a country during a fucking public health crisis, what hell's wrong but and it's both sides both sides are tossing hand grenades at each other so

6:18 Yeah. Yes. So they'll bury the contradictory information, you know, in the 20th paragraph or something. Who cares? Looks good. Is that what she said? Okay, hold on. It might be offensive to dogs. We just go with that. Yeah. Seems legit. But he said of hydroxychloroquine, and generational curses transmitted through placenta. Yeah, I mean, most of my kids, basically,

10:26 Yeah. And you can't, you just can't employ. I don't believe them. we know if they're being accurate? I mean, look, I believe there is a large group of people that There's no way that woman. Yeah. Very strange thing to do, though. There is. She did a series of interviews right afterwards as sort of the face of the administration talking about this. You used to work for the CIA.

14:31 But that movie seemed like if there was ever some movie that was made to sort of be used as a cover-up, But the bottom line was, for Susan Rice, You've got to roll right through it. or someone, rather than someone who's had the range of experience So we kind of glossed over it. consulate that we had there. We ignored, at the time, advice and suggestions that we beef up our security out there.

18:02 Again, it's not like I'm still amazed. Well, again, without the name recognition, right? I'm small government, but I'm more aligned with that. The fact that I don't like the character or the that mistake. They think that that's the solution to Trump. Go as far away from him as possible. Seattle, Portland. That didn't work. It's like one of those little tiny, little, you know, like if you took a glass dome and you put like little animals in there and you let them eat each other alive.

21:29 The whole thing was madness. But over the years, and I know Republicans and Democrats But if you try to figure out a motivation for them, you know, you'll lose your mind because they really don't have one. seriously, not just lip service, we have to improve the policing to are those are concrete things that you can do they're not easy right but it's it's not as heavy

25:04 Would you rather spin your wheels and act are large, mostly peaceful protests. Right. Yeah. It doesn't justify past bad actions, but you know what? This idea, I mean, holy fuck. look, history is supposed to be about the things that happened, the people that made They're horrible. But taking down statues of people that made a difference and made change.

28:18 There's got to be, right? But a lot of the Confederate statues out there were put up in an effort to, and this sounds weird, It's true. That makes – I get that, right? And everyone was laughing, like they're not going to do that. Did something that had extreme positive effects. Free trade slash raper. Look, it's awful that we have history that's filled with terrible acts and deeds.

31:19 Yeah. without necessarily having to. And it's like this shell game, I think, that the politicians sometimes play. owners uh i you know i i don't know is the answer to that question i i do know that they've you know Well, you get where you got in New York City. I've never thought if you went back to March when we shut down, I never thought I would be sitting here with you at the end of early August here.

34:03 It doesn't seem that haphazard. It seems organized. it's in their agenda. It's to their advantage to make it appear as if it's a grassroots movement. We're putting our tinfoil hats on. Right, right. sense. No, I agree. I still feel that way. Yeah. That one is filled with holes. And I agree as Yeah. Let's go back to Portland for a minute. journalist, you would have thought, would have said, let's do some research. Let's look at all

39:07 or the New York Times or Washington Post same thing in the right, imagine, my friend Tim Dillon said this, imagine if the Proud Boys were lighting Portland on fire. Yeah. The Bible gives a lot in front of a courthouse? We'd all be losing what they're going to do. And Trump came out when Herman Cain passed away and he came out and said, well, Why do you think he said that?

42:09 Well, if you repeat something often enough, then it gets to be true. It's so important. but I'm one of those Quaker people who feels guilty about everything, right? And I just snapped, right? I said, man, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. The lies are the problem. Who's telling them to write this? I don't know if it's a curious thing. chaos because you're having more people involved in these things and they really don't have

45:15 Even if you aren't. Maybe not now because everybody's hiding in their hidey hole, but just the constant with the phone. getting their news delivered from the same one of three sources. about it, but I find it interesting. There's no Maybe it's a bad example. No, no, no. And here's your news. to check your facts, to get it right. And you weren't playing beat the clock with every

48:28 my sources are Kyle Kalinske, Jimmy Dore, and The Hill. Those are the ones that I go to because Think about it. And to do it and to be completely unbiased. A lot of it is, it's very liberal. When you're confronted by a large majority of people that think one way, you will change and amend your thinking to fit in. So I came back from, I was, but I guess my point is

52:23 we need to understand that this plays a large part in your belief system. Yeah. And sometimes opinions vary. And there's opinions. You know, and sometimes, you know, opinions vary. when we're talking about, like, phones, like, leaving your like leaving your phone for three hours i don't touch that goddamn thing and i get to have Interesting and intelligent?

54:20 And he's like, whether you agree with Alex Jones or not agree with Alex Jones, this is I mean right there is my friend. She's about as liberal as you can get perfect example. Yeah. Yeah, I mean she's a feminist She's 39. She goes, I was so crazy. Yeah, look at that. 20s, I was probably No, I agree with you. Okay. Yahweh has no gender. Whatever the fuck that non-natural drink is.

57:58 He says, nuggets and that blue thing. But raspberries aren't blue. because I'm greedy. Because everybody's so freaked out about the pandemic. He's like, yeah, when a dog goes, it seemed like he was choking, golden doodle. but big. She's going to be The other one we've got now is Hendrix. Marshall's the first golden retriever I've ever had. They just stare at you and they're just like, whatever.

1:00:44 You know, Goldens always want to have something to show you. Good morning. Marshall's caught one, and it got pulled down from Instagram. Wait a minute. That's what cats do. That's fantastic. The Jack Russell would take the chipmunks, shake it to death, and then drop it and leave it for the cat. It's fair game. And the dog would be like, oh, okay, okay, okay.

1:03:08 you can go fuck yourself the moment you let that cat go he's gonna kill that gerbil it's a hundred It was maybe a decade ago. back occasionally when he wants to hang out. uh down by the boise river saw this hawk come down just bam hit the water came up with a nice trout Again, you know what? Just say, shut up about Idaho. This is it, last time. Whenever you're allowed.

1:05:23 Yeah. No, I, I don't know. I don't want to infect anybody that I know and love, and I don't want the crowd to infect people. I think there's an opening for it. And I think these independent people, like I was talking about, like Kyle Kalinske and Jimmy Dore and The Hill, It sets up. But, you know, I don't think the last thing we need We're going to treat news the way I treat everything in life.

1:07:56 And then there's the problem there. reasons you're talking about. It's just like with intelligence reporting, right? Once you get the right? And you've lost that. So, yeah, to your point, you're, yeah, you're absolutely right. independently. You can't get this with funding. You can't create that sort of a thing with a lot of money behind it and a bunch of different people with vested interests and biases. You're not going

1:10:00 pros and cons of fracking, and then have the same thing for coal You're still overwhelming the people, in fact, more so. fit it in an hour you're gonna fit this whole world's crazy chaos well you got the intro figured Fitzsimmons, wrote an So I give him a lot of credit. Well, look, Manson is a huge draw, right? Jolly West. Operation Midnight Climax was a CIA-funded program where they dosed up Johns.

1:13:34 It fell under the sort of umbrella of this MKUltra, which is public knowledge. Is this a truth serum? normally do, right? So we're You got the Cold War. was uh pervasive and it's sound i know you know you talk about it now and everybody rolls their So anyway, we got Alan Dulles, who in 53, early in 53, says, all right, we have to understand what the Soviets are doing, particularly the Soviets.

1:16:38 MKUltra was the umbrella name for a whole bunch, over 140 projects, sub-projects underneath NK Ultra. And it was It's like cyber warfare. Whoops. And there was some testimony. There were documents written by the Inspector General back in – and this time period was in academic institutions or researchers. And MKUltra had at least acknowledged anyway over 80

1:20:18 in terms of their ability to talk. and oftentimes the get out of jail free card. Come forward. And they had one of the guys that was involved in this. But basically it was just George getting his rocks off, watching couples having sex. So they purged all the records of MKUltra that they thought existed. investigation up on the Hill. And Stansfield Turner, the time the CIA director testified at

1:23:42 In broad outline, at least, this presents the contents of these files. While not known? Studies of human behavior, sleep research, behavioral changes during psychotherapy, But you're absolutely right that to have a full understanding of this, you have to look yeah yeah and and I mean it's just yeah it's so it's not that long ago but it's not we have to

1:26:30 But they did a lot of these studies because they didn't know. like using the most marginalized people out there, so MK Alter kind of finished up in 64 officially, right? That's when the inspector general came out He was working at the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, and he was also Manson's parole officer. And to your point, Manson was like, interesting parts of the book is this revolving door that Manson was in. And eventually we all

1:29:45 What are the odds? Yeah,'s crazy. What are the odds? that led to him wanting to follow the narrative that they had laid out, He seemed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card. behavior and getting them to do things that were outside the norm, including murder. I mean, you're talking about a guy who spent half his life in federal penitentiaries. So it's a fascinating – I think it's a very interesting read.

1:32:42 Do you have any idea? pandemic right i would argue we wouldn't have seen the protests in portland we wouldn't have seen Here's my sister protesting the war. reflect on shit. Also, everyone's so scared that we're projecting it onto other subjects. And We were riding high as far as the economy goes just a handful of months ago. Well, what the fuck are you doing now?

1:37:10 We've got, you know, how many trillions are we in debt? And it always happens. this done before our August break. What the fuck? They're going to take an August break? I mean, But I think, you know, unless we have term limits and we have campaign finance reform, we're going to be talking about this forever. I don't think we're the only intelligent life out there.

1:39:45 Black Files Declassified? basically. So it's not talking about UFOs necessarily. It could be a hostile, Yeah. So, but I think... He's as credible as a jet. We haven't resolved that issue. with MKUltra or anything else, eventually shit hits the fan, stuff comes out. And I don't think And that qualifies as a material that is not found. I'd want to take them to one of them brothels.

1:43:05 Bring one of those hookers in from the 60s. and why would they come out with a statement like that? And I don't have an answer for that. And one of the best ways to say we have found things that are not of this world. Yeah. Yeah. they weren't subject to the same laws of physics with this propulsion system that we are with what And then somehow or another, that's how it travels insanely fast, that it does something to manipulate gravity around it.

1:46:17 Well, I mean, yeah, there's a leap there necessarily that you got to make. Maybe it wasn't AATIP that was involved in that aspect of the – Like anything's possible, I suppose, in this world. talks about it. So the natural tendency So hypersonic crafter, that's just coming, right? Well, this is the new thing. We exist like phones. Oh, yeah. You were a rock star with a push-button.

1:50:50 What do you want? I said, I'm going to Los Angeles. I don't know which ones this conversation Rogan That's what I'm gonna tell Joe. Or lifted off the ground by a hawk. Who knows? or Syria or Iran Yeah. Well, they're about to cock-block TikTok with Instagram Reels, and then they're going to lure all the kids over to reels. Put that on again. discuss things and not... Except the hydroxychloroquine thing they've taken that down um but facebook

1:55:02 U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, they'll take over those operations I mean, they fucked up. that looks pretty fucking dope. I go, how do And they just decided it wasn't worth the revenue stream or wasn't worth the effort? The Windows phone. The Windows phone. But now you're right. I mean, literally the whole world. Yeah. their interests, that's a good thing, as long as

1:58:29 It's like, what are they doing? now strengthening and building up the intel apparatus within China, you know, for his own Right. They essentially use the pandemic to decide to impose the same sort of restrictive laws that they have in the rest of China with Hong Kong. right? But I think what's going to happen now, given what they've just recently done,

2:01:37 He doesn't really care. You know, this is where we need to be now. Really? You know, and this is people who subscribe to the Trump as Putin's puppet will scoff at this idea. And I think that's just where we're at. Look, I mean, good judgment or, you know, anyway. What do I know? Do you think that the policies that Trump's What do you think is going to happen?

2:06:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll bet there ends up being one. Could you imagine? Say that one more time. Well, think about that. and the idea that we're going to have mail-in ballots as opposed to absentee ballots. And I'm thinking of it's like what he did with hydroxychloroquine. You know, exactly. And the beauty of the elections in the past have been by the end of the night, you got people on both sides. And if you, the beauty of the elections in the past have been

2:10:07 because I don't think that the mail-in thing could be wrought with fraud like the White House. It would probably be insane. If you could register on your phone and vote on your phone, my God, why can't you do that? What's that, Click? I'm worried about the civil unrest. But again, it's- Why not? Over a designated period of time. Goddamn hippies you're

2:13:31 person. Condoleezza Rice and Nikki Haley. He's got plenty of time. Yeah. Didn't Al Gore want it? centrist candidates willing to work with each other? And I keep going back to the same things, Yeah. That's what's really important. And we were very fortunate that we have a yard and we have, you know, a dog and we went swimming. And then it's, you know what it's like,

2:16:44 fighting over the last generator. of space on the shelf. So when No. It is. Weird. you're thinking, okay, I got to get outside. I can't hang out here anymore. I have a real good friend and his wife was like, you are never having a gun. We're on the phone howling. It's just her idea was that guns are for bad people. And you have a gun in the house, you're more likely to shoot each other, and you don't need that in your life.

2:19:35 How many goddamn videos have you seen where two people are in a fight and you need to take a stand then you need to know what the hell you're going to do otherwise you're Oh, my gosh. Terrifying how hard a ten-year-old can kick you in your leg. He just literally, I wasn't even expecting that. He stood there, and he laughed maniacally, and then he wandered off.

2:21:45 I have muscles. My testosterone And it is, and it's been I mean, why wouldn't you? You just have to be diligent. Exactly. I mean, I think I had a pass. But some places not. And that's the worst thing you can do. And you see difficulties because people don't understand the ramifications of it. They don't It's muscle memory, but it deteriorates, unlike some things, right? It deteriorates quicker for a variety of reasons, but God, I can't emphasize

2:26:00 Yeah. Just keep doing that. Like a gun store. Are you going to do an episode of that for your- Oh, congratulations. We're putting together the show map. Yeah. I got to meet him. Got him? is the guy if he's not very nice guy I'm like, man. How do you make a soldier, you know, stronger, smarter, safer, faster, all these things? Gotta be really clear.

2:30:43 because you're the government. so we're doing this for national security. I mean, I think it can kind of make it easier for a person to overlook sort of the questions, the ethical questions, because you're doing it for Well, see, that's part of the problem. Batteries and battery technology being what it is, And, you know, the guys that are loading trucks, right, and they're doing that in 120-degree

2:33:13 very important stuff. The problem is sometimes you can, as you know, you can overload that Again, Russians are engaged in the same thing. and sort of develop soldiers in that regard. Should we do this? Right, went right off the rails. They're going to call to the carpet the PLA intel operators and say, We do tend to try to self-correct whichever administration's in charge.

2:36:11 We do a pretty good job. to it? No. So how does it still psychics. They wanted to find... I guess they do. Yeah. office of the agency, you know, and we're never going to see it. Well. And it's because there was concern that, you know, the enemy had this research or that they were making headway. who's not there without using any words, which is what Elon said to me,

2:39:44 I mean, you know, Aberdeen and other areas, It makes for a safer, smarter, better soldier out there. I, you know, I mean. We always want to think we're absolutely right and i don't i don't ever assume i'm absolutely right on something That's second season. We'll just stand ten feet apart from each other. And nobody knows how to film and they don't want to take on the insurance.

2:42:28 He's got his own setup, and he just has everybody locked down at the place where they're filming. Like the NBA now, they can operate in this bubble, right? He's a basketball freak. You're moving out of here. I just feel like this place is overwhelming and overcrowded, and I've had enough. We're full. I'm excited to go there. I got like half a dozen pair of cowboy boots.

2:44:37 Bye, everybody.