Joe Rogan Experience #1537 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, he sounds like Johnny, like later Johnny Cash. Like Johnny Cash when he did Hurt. Is he close to 21 right now? He's 25 now. Yeah. He sounds like Johnny, a richness of his voice. He probably developed early. You have to listen to the whole song. and not be nervous about it being taken down or something had an ex-wife who sold it or who knows you know anyway spotify please make it happen i almost had

2:43 Yeah, he is. Just the sound in that guitar is so, he's so out there. he was such a talent that everybody else was like what are we doing like we yeah the cool thing is um i mean i He has an acoustic version. Lost his son right Do do do clapton is uh i shouldn't say was because he's still alive is a brilliant musician brilliant but And he was fucking in his 20s.

6:10 different they always messed with it he always like threw in a little chaos and there's songs Yeah. you always have to give the best credit to the original which is jimmy but steve ray vaughn's He also represents the 60s and also this psychedelic thing, experience. that i celebrate the self-destruction the self-destruction is an unfortunate aspect of

9:19 um it's been a path of many of my idols whether it's's Kinison or Richard Pryor or even Hicks. in his life rediscovered the darkness like i was i was watching your podcast with him and the moment Politically, I don't know what the context of that. it pains me to think about the debates between Biden and Trump. I think she'll probably do very well in those debates, especially – well, there's no audience.

12:16 The crowd to work off of. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. Play this. But it's so funny because it's like, and you're charging a battery, you have to put something Yeah. Whoever made that, thank you. If you only connect one, it doesn't work. Well, that's how it is with standup. You have to have an audience. It's one of those art You've called women pigs. Yes.

16:31 We're all dying slowly, okay? I mean, I don't... it would be, I mean, he would have a much stronger, that you can see in the way she carries 100 see the one of the big problems is the democratic have ever played you this one i'm gonna i'm gonna send this to you jamie but the look but the Uh-oh. It really was important. But the big thing, whether you agree on automation

21:07 get a purple belt on Instagram called police posts which we should expand the jiu-jitsu uh training to the people in Now, oh, I have a cough button. Contrast this idea that they were going after this guy for loose cigarettes based on what happened after the george floyd I think you need way better training, and you need a lot of training. about that you don't get a lot of those because what we're seeing is the videos that go viral

24:24 I'm here to help out. I think that's who you have to be to have that job. snowden recently one of the things that we said was that what what really needs to be done is we That's why there's so much crime. There's so much crime because there's, there's so many communities that it's just like Why couldn't they treat that like a pandemic, a pandemic of violence and crime that needs

27:26 and the people who worked for the people who ran the businesses turns into this like dark energy that can be uh combined with a charismatic leader to go into a like once the economy opens up slowly and slowly there's going to be that the the remnants of the When Obama was president, that was... from the general evil charismatic leader that took the country into—

30:32 Yeah, I don't see that leader on the horizon, but the other problem is even a positive leader. want to be vice president. It's one or the other. Either one's not good. And I think it speaks to Like this kind of shallow, derisive kind of conversation basically trolls on both sides. he probably doesn't even he hasn't he's almost unable to think original thoughts at this time

33:40 Let's all cut the bullshit. Well, you'd have to revamp the system too. positive view on our current president donald trump is he showed showed that you don't have to follow the rules. junior, sorry, Donald Trump. Is he also a J? I don't know. Well, he's junior, so he must be a J. Just the name, Junior. Like, come on, Dad. names all his kids george george all of them that's I think even his daughters. Really?

36:40 They're not all. taking care of all those kids this one has 14 someone has 14 kids it has 350 grand or so a year to support eight of them. The problem is it's pleasurable, and we're all super drawn to it so much that we're able to save kids sure nutrition infections all that kind of stuff people say that we have way more resources than we need. If you look at the models, inrica will have i believe more people than the

39:42 there's a lot of people suffering in Africa. But they only do it once a year. I wonder if there's ups and downs. yeah so they just get after it but I don't know how long that lasts, like when they're in heat. a pair generally mates It's good. take it out but the reality is mostly it's lions doing the eating so like you can't have too many I'll let you get away with that.

43:01 You know what's amazing is, I talked to Sarah Seeger, the colleague faculty at mit uh he mentioned that because my worry would be if we encounter life on adapted to that it basically won't even notice humans. biological life that has a similar temperature range that it exists in, Whatever it is is like not Earth, but it's close whatever it is is like not earth but it's close and the things that live

45:46 of what's happening now absolutely yeah so you suggested to him that he should do some new thing and he discovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego is an act of war if it you know if the soviet union or china was doing that that's technically So the thing I was going to say, know how to comprehend it We get used to things. But my, this is purely speculation, my speculation is they are slowly spoon-feeding us information

49:44 like who the fuck knows what would go down. the street everybody has a mask on you don't even think about it yeah but okay so let me there's arguments against because it could be human created technology too different kinds of amazing secret human created technology that is able to deceive the human like in terms of like mainstream propulsion experts and fighter pilots like David Fravor and military people,

52:26 In your sense, on the other side, if it's alien technology, is I don't know if you know but they just put the videos on a website like Let's imagine you are the leader of the United States, and you find out, or whatever, the It's a human pursuit of understanding and human pursuit of overcoming our limited knowledge to sort of unlock mysteries of this universe.

55:10 any and all technologies that we currently enjoy in terms of fighter pilots and jets and right now if you have a ufo if you have a spaceship that comes from another planet where chimps are like still talking about our village we want our village to be better than the next the nature of intelligence, because you said, it feels like uh your hypothesis would be like if an alien technology was here and we'd figure it

58:24 I'm not even saying that existing invention until we hit some sort of singularity point or whatever the fuck we're We're in this weird place where we kind of agree to not use our best weapons, right? But we're involved in a skirmish with another country but it does we don't China quicker, how much of a difference would that make in terms of the way they responded to

1:01:15 huge numbers to leak that information, to take it and make it public. possible? That's the argument, right? That there's a race going on, that people understand got together with their scientists and they figured out a nuclear bomb first just dropped Yeah. Well, that's what... are not going down the wrong path let us plant some stuff where they figure out like how to be

1:05:29 So as a curiosity, it feels like Earth is a cosmic curiosity. few good books on ants they have like a collective intelligence yeah because we tend to think of intelligent stuff emerges that's that um there's uh i don't do you know who steven wolfram is how much does Joe Rogan weigh or something like that. I mean... You know, it can calculate the average population of Austin

1:08:44 so that with one theory you can describe Just like ants interact really simply, this system grows. you can have incredible complexity. We don't have a math or even a science of describing I don't know if that kind of makes sense, things below it there is like two boxes and and that describes a rule of if you see a pattern on of these theories first the emergence of space and time then the i mean everything you need to

1:12:34 Who's that guy? such a cool task as a physicist oh my god it's like can you design a method by which the aliens how many people actually understand this It's the same as the order of magnitude of professional comedians, I would say. and really you don't need to know how to program. is have a system that's really simple, are also alive, then you live on. Otherwise, you die, meaning you flip.

1:15:16 You're just a single cell sitting there, that it would be something dumb but it can create these like, like the, it, one, one really important thing is the cell just knows about itself. It it looks like there's a moving object like it looks so i think these are called glider guns Like this table seems like it's wood. How much richness, beauty just could be created from simple rules.

1:18:47 Everything becomes random. Life in general. I mean, if you go from single-celled organisms, beings today, we're so much more civilized than human beings were 5,000 years ago. We have all these different things. someone made in the jungle it looked like terrible and i was like that's ridiculous i'm not spending I found an old phone of mine. it's slow, awkward.

1:21:54 coming out with the new Note 20 Ultra But what does it do? What's the end result? Bees make honey. What do people do? They make i mean this is a the thing that drives consumers. We do it through the need for respect, for envy, all these different things. Well, it's true. Yeah, it yeah it's true i mean it has happened so and but it's accelerating yes this is why i mean again the elon sort of exponential growth idea i mean it just seems to

1:25:06 that's why there's a lot of people kind of you know unable to reason like where how quickly is must be 120, 100, 200, 300 years away. And that seems to be too far away for millennia right and so that's that's an exciting possibility and most people something truly special not only to understand the not only to help people with neurological to where we can store it, to where we can transmit it out to distant stars

1:29:16 fly that thing his first thought was like i want to fly that thing that's like finding an animal It's preposterous to me that there's an alien on board. Like if you lose your arm, Well, and I'm born in the Soviet Union. get to a point where they have legs that work better than your legs and they feel like your where they can replace your eyes with better versions of what you have now and they work

1:32:26 It's right there. It's real. Maybe it's made with things that are different than cells, this technological creation, The concept of individuality. The ego. of the humans together as an intelligent organism combined with the technology that we're creating a thing that totally changes the very nature of our civilization, and better and better and eventually something as nice and crisp and sexy as the human eye emerged

1:36:31 That's what a lot of people describe as their experience. I already forgot into a future on Twitter they'll you know at first they'll be like and all will happen uh that's my mother i'm yeah and you've got you go but you you know i'm saying like this is what She wants you to donate your money to charity. to look right in their fucking head. It can be done.

1:39:45 You'll be able to know. This is's walking around. He murdered three people. He'll be able to see. He'll be able to see into people's minds. He'll be able to know. most important guy because he can get get your letters but that kind of shit like we we give up it's so bad it is a really bad movie weird ways. because there's momentous be sort of it felt like that had to end at some point i get russian i start to like think about

1:43:41 but it was hard for me in the moment to think about it because I'm constantly putting this first and that second and switching the order store is the the camaraderie of it like how when is the next time say we reopen the economy when I'm going to call him. Goal number three is a ranch. By the way, greatest – I mean, as just a fan, Duncan is – I don't know why I said television show,

1:46:38 He and I, forever since the beginning of his comedy career and you know we've always been real close and we And Joey Diaz is the other side of that. when people love him like when he's around people who love him and when he knows he could just be I thought, because you say crazy, Hang on. But it doesn't exist right now. it was weird congratulations it's very weird listen. Listen, you're a celebrity. Fuck you.

1:50:00 technical. So, the kind of people that Do you wear that suit and tie everywhere when you travel? Yeah. and they said it's so prevalent so many bums are shitting in the city because it's so numerous. It's so prevalent. that moved away from a meritocracy It changes the topic of the conversation in a way that moves. So most of the people that play identity politics, Twitter,

1:53:38 this you know a small percentage of people on twitter but but they, and I ignore, I never respond, I want the world to be more fair yeah and saying that and then everybody like says you like this is awesome life is weak like they think Neuralink or something along those lines, that we could get to a place where you could actually read someone's thoughts.

1:56:21 It's all about calling people out. first of all, I've become There's douchebags. professors fuck their students right i mean it's uh the most one of the most common It can get you fired by the university. So maybe not in the moment. to the East. that like, hmm, like shit and wants to fuck me and sexually harassing me. And I would imagine that would make your life hell.

1:59:55 workplaces in general right uh first of all everybody it sucks no one wants to be stuck in of my brain off at the workplace because i feel it's such a difficult game to play but i've been hit on by co-workers like whatever the difficulties in the local optimal of just like uh of the of I understand people, but that's a weird thing, man, Some people have, like, weird fucking fetishes towards people they work with.

2:03:10 I'm not big. Let's go. It's like I think three people or like two people. I mean, there's people that are asymptomatic. We're in Texas. And then people who either have symptoms or people who are in a high-risk category, they should stay home. Yeah, it's part of who they are as a human. Yeah. Even though you would think of it as like a violent interaction,

2:06:21 You want them to be good. Yeah, and now that that's gone, what do you do? which is you for the lulz, for the laughs, myself to think i said i'm just gonna do it and i'll figure out how to do it and then so i figured thing that's hard to do because you're like constantly showering and you're like oh here starts making up stuff like why are you doing this you know all of those demons and then it starts

2:10:20 you've never you've never beat anyone good at wrestling you You're a jiu-jitsu black belt. I don't know why I thought that. So I said, okay, let me distribute that across other exercise. So I sent him, yeah, yeah. like if i were you i would I would do what I For a month? So I started getting a shoulder. It wasn't, sorry, it wasn't hurt. I know, like like i know the

2:14:23 because he's just had knee surgery. he just ignores it yeah what you got okay let me see oh this is them pulling okay what does it say And I find we must exhaust all options, find a way. But ultimately, if you're draining that much fluid out of your knee, you've got real internal problems. I'll show you what it is You're also happy because you thought I'd never run again.

2:17:23 a treasure but like he in this world where... of reps is not for some kind of like to get back in shape the moment i agree to answer david goggins And the results of that, we're talking about the physical structure. But that's not the point. Your muscles are exceptionally sore.'re exhausted and again all those demons I figured out the whole recovery.

2:20:54 It makes me feel good. Phytonutrients, plant-based nutrients. I swear by that shit And once I started using it, I stopped getting cramps. No, I'm not. I don't eat keto, but I'm mostly carnivore. You know, I mean, I eat some salads because one, the exercise is insane I've experimented with eating seven times a day nothing else it allows me to sit for eight hours at a time so I usually do

2:24:27 made crazy i i was starving okay this sounds please don't clip this out but i was starving We're not talking about, 1,000 is insane. reading the comments i i how many times during this podcast have you talked about people saying is I do hope you're going to have to fundamentally change the way human beings interact with each other with no Yes. you know warts and all the the vast majority talk to people in real life. You know, warts and all.

2:27:40 But it's a part of life. stuff in people and then you share You are you're doing in this podcast. and you're going to fight me on it right now because I see you're gearing up yeah i'm gearing up you're like, uh, fight the trolls. Uh, but like to trolls because you can remove comments and so on. I think it's a technology problem. want to like the the funny derisive comment about the way the new studio looks for example

2:31:57 interactions like most people at some level of celebrity stop checking their Twitter, like mentions, Twitter comments, and so on, why would I want to interact in the comments So that's part of the thing like an Instagram. Okay. It's just the kind of people that comment in the first place Okay, can I propose a different thought experiment? to feel safe to say something.

2:34:44 versions of it that actually allow you to read minds. I mean, that's the technological solution, to realize that this person's flawed because they were abused by their uncle or they got bullied throughout childhood or they have a disease or they're impaired mentally. There's something wrong with them. I mean, that's what you're dealing with when you're dealing with a lot of these people that are online that are angry. Their lives are not good. You're not getting people

2:35:35 but I think those people, if you put a mirror to them, people now if you could acquire a group of people that are your fans that have similar goals and similar discipline, that would be amazing. fall into this rut that's that's what you get you just get the numbers of humans you're interacting I meet them all the time. This is really important. You haven't said anything about going to the comment section,

2:39:14 so you're uh you're doing a good job from a psychoanalyst perspective uh but part of that Listen, I'm not a fan of anything I do. This is the landscape as it's presented to you. that feed most of the social networks, YouTube, Netflix, and so on, they know very little about know you well and be an assistant be uh to form a connection with you in order to help you become the best version of yourself.

2:42:05 you were there for the neural link experiment the most recent uh demonstration where they uh Actually, I don't know. Like, how did they demonstrate how it worked? So I'm not a neurobiologist. there any demonstration of what it was doing for the pig? They were doing So you can hear the signal. it's another way to visualize it but you know it it's it's showing

2:45:11 But this is already a really effective. It'll be all gradual. It'll be same with i mean it's a chase of technologies this might be obsolete and useless by the time we live all live in a virtual reality world but this is vastly improved thing that's going to make regular biological functions seem so obsolete on the flip side, all the things that tribalism, all the, what

2:47:38 and everything was fine and perfect, would there be as much innovation? That's where greed and envy, just like forever running our world. life kind of makes life worth living for many people that is part of the problem right like Well, maybe something can transcend this biological limitation that we're discussing of being a human and that through this innovation, we can reach some point where there's a different motivation.

2:50:49 need a lot of money in order to get it done, and then you get it done and you're more productive but they ultimately created a better world might have a disproportionate advantage but the that disproportionate advantage doesn't necessarily And ultimately the thing you'll be able to see will be good for society. The people who are best at creating new ideas have,

2:53:42 and are going to work their ass off But there's a joy that I love seeing people who are good at what they do and love what they do and just losing themselves in it. And it was like three at night and the people can I just say one thing? nobody. My mom was like, even my mom didn't say maybe maybe that second song maybe maybe uh maybe play piano or something

2:56:28 with it. Most people think about the Holocaust or the atrocity of the 20th century, but Galdamori So this is what this, just to give you a context talked about it this is this she was uh she was a bad and uh she's uh she was the person that inspired me to be strong and a person that also um to uh to put love out there because like and eloquent. You can just say, you can just talk about love and talk simply, even if it's a cliche

2:58:49 of Russian poems okay fuck you and blaming it on you, If you can bear to hear the truths you've spoken If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew yours is the earth and