Joe Rogan Experience #1546 — Evan Hafer & Mat Best Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Dude, your ridiculous setup that you put in the kitchen But like, were you this like measuring it and the exact temperature of the water and all that jazz? thing. And, uh, then as I continued to kind of evolve my, my coffee nerd, you know, sense of me, why it's a funny contrast between this badass Special Forces guy and someone

2:42 put anything in it. I was like, man, it takes as long as it takes. I think that was one of the things where I was like, man, I got to be really good at all these things because it's got to offset all my debaggery over here. i could put it so he convinced the supplier or whoever to officer to buy this super intricate And that was something that kind of lived

5:23 Here's $23 million as long as you can justify it. Maybe we'll be okay. when you're in war they just kind of say here's lump sum you know here you go here's here's 23 I'm like, Oh, well, here's a great example. middle of fucking baghdad in a war zone people are going to want to take pressure washed and and then retrofit it? but if you wanted an armored vehicle of any kind,

8:32 steel oh they don't they don't make cars like it no it and that that it's so boxy it's got such It's built on the factory line for it to be an armored vehicle. interesting experience that you're never going to forget uh and then two you're feeling pretty where it strikes. And you can kind of gauge like, where's that coming from? windows and you really can't on a lot of them.

11:19 I think you get the window down about this far, give or take. If you get close to an armored vehicle, you can see. Doesn't that Devrolo company do that? It's like synthetic Kevlar or something like that. well like when you look at the we'll call it the mercedes and there it is you'll have sometimes you'll have a v12 twin turbo v12 and a mercedes it's like a version of line x i'm sure right i think it used to be called line x yeah those

13:52 They look okay, I guess. I think his Jeep was just at the office. We were looking at so many different things when we were up there. Yeah. Is there coffee in this thing right here? Yeah, what did you think of that Ethiopian? coffee for a while but the problem with that is people in the podcast got so annoyed with me going that can taste all the tasting notes

16:16 like Evan specifically. Is he really? for just obscure details and things. Coffee is so fascinating from every aspect, can you do it in texas no the climate's just not correct no it's we only have kona out of hawaii They're an island in the middle of the ocean. There's a specific look Hawaiians have. That's because they're Highlanders. we can't go out there and at least enjoy it and in a peaceful and in a way that's beneficial for

19:57 We can just roll out there and sit on Kauai forth that's what i was thinking about when i was flying to hawaii in january and uh fat and booze Because it's a great place to go to get tuned up for elk hunting. They bring in snipers on a weekly basis. exotics here what happened over the last you know whatever hundred years is the rains and storms Wow.

22:46 exotics. You haven't? you know if you ask them like can you shoot a giraffe they're like everything's got a price tag old boy and i mean anything goes but i'm not shooting a giraffe no no i but no but Like, something like it? Like, my daughter... Because every other animal at the zoo, you're like, let him go. Yeah, I got a couple of those. Wow, that's beautiful.

25:27 Most hybrids are like that. I think you can Google that, Watusu. It's very similar to a Texas Longhorn, but they got these really thick horns on them. Don't ask me. Riddle me this. i've had people that have never had elk before and i serve it to them they're like holy shit i'm like I don't know if you ever tried it, The other wolves stand by and wait, and the alpha eats the liver.

28:20 I love heart, too. and it's funny because people some people don't like some people like what the fuck are you doing If you gave a survey of how many people eat liver on a daily basis, it's probably not I got extra meat, and he gave me 150 pounds of organic bisons. Ruined three Axis and one White Tails. we had evacuated, but my friend Bud stayed by.

31:28 Those fucking Yeti coolers, man. It's crazy. like one of the questions that I was, I was trying to ask you earlier was when you're on that shit going on you know like so i was just trying different ways to get fat in my diet and you did And it makes sense. too aggressive or like it was aggressive it's like the world's That was what was weird. You know,

34:21 fish, I love going to a restaurant and they make you a nice crab cake or something. whiskey and be a fat fuck anytime i go to a restaurant and buy the lobster roll that's 37 and i'm like it's cool man yeah there's Yeah. And I guess, you know, I should probably do a little bit more research. on it, which is more, it was a lot more fat than I thought that we would get from those.

36:50 He did it for a while, but then he got off of it. And then, so he's doing intermittent fasting. That's how they call it. because you give your body a break and you let your body digest food. hours a day i get it if it's like 12 yeah but like 18 20 hours that's that's that's too much for me I'm not doing any intermittent fasting when I'm walking And I found myself in that position

39:48 you know, just moving as slow as you can. because i'm always expecting shit's gonna get real like 10 minutes from now yeah and those human beings probably eat too much oh generally if you look at americans in particular we're fat all day and you're like well no wonder you had yeah it's just too available yeah it's it's too what are you using? I'm using right now i'm only using

42:36 when I do nothing but good, certainly going to go into ketosis at certain points in time. real evidence that sugar and and these companies that made sugar paid scientists to fuck with data since the beginning of time. If you got oil from plants, it was like oil from avocados, like natural. And I think we've gotten into this processed food thing. Look, apple, steak, all that, that's normal.

45:51 that's a stretch in logic, right? So for just the American diet in general, for us to look at the certain windows and they're still in the military, still doing fucking incredibly difficult missions are not really good for you like for instance white rice is better than brown rice yes like That's all I eat is white rice, man. Yeah. a lot of complex thought there in the sense of when people are trying to sell me on the idea, like, no, it's great.

49:25 lack of understanding in terms of like the the way people perceive what's good and what's bad just to see what would pop up. and white rice has empty calories. There's something in the... What did I say? of the brand germ I would skip that source from Wikipedia man That's what I was trying to say. Dyson often insists that people should eat brown rice.

52:06 two different research projects comparing the effects of white rice and brown rice on This is also because fiber and phytate content of brown rice act as an antinutrient, if you've talked to people that are carnivore-based people, they'll just my cyrus's old boyfriend her ex-husband he had to get fucking surgery because he was getting these So they release a certain chemical that makes the the giraffes discouraged from eating them and

55:21 And we were talking about our life in the military and what's you're nuking your gut with antibiotics. have they taken what type of lifestyle do they have where your ancestors come from yeah where they feel like dog shit. They feel the carnivore people are like they're like the right and the left wing of america they're like I'm not even going to call those guys out, but it was interesting.

58:08 routine what cars work it's easier just to say i'll be lazy today it's hard to figure out what So if you're going to do it, you should really do blood work. now they have chemicals in here that are supposed to offset whatever negative stuff that they have in their diet what's an make that individual worse. Some of the issues they have, like I think I have PTSD, if that's

1:00:31 scans and all these different doctors and specialists and try to fine tune what's wrong They love to send, you know, 18 to 26-year-old men and women. what's happened to their body is connected to their service. But the issue that I continue to inflammation? Are you missing a limb? And really, it's disgusting the amount of that his leg was changing as far as the shape of it because he was growing an additional layer of bone

1:03:43 Yeah, it's unacceptable. what is it, depleted uranium rounds. And they kind of denied, first of all, that they use them. They and the long-term effects of that and you're going to make him be in a wheelchair for months determined after that stint that she doesn't need a full-time caregiver because she obviously was in history. And we look at Iraq, in particular, and we look at, you know, the tens of thousands of service members

1:07:24 directly related, you know, lung and health issues from burn pits. batteries. That's all the plastics. It's anything and everything that is required. Yeah. It's fecal So they're completely subjected to that environment from a very long time. this is a good idea for us not to fund the research to figure out what the fuck is going on. So we can do something

1:10:19 that ultimately we're exposed to or were exposed to. And that's in the same camp? just so I could sleep the rest of the evening because the smoke was so bad You know, I survived seven years of war. Yeah, exactly. prevalent that they have these burn pits at every base that's fucking insane and It was absorbed by their skin. are fucking terrible one of the things they're finding out in these when they're doing these

1:13:54 this as a problem. But the, the big thing that I see is we have to continue to, to look at the If they don't have direct or visible combat wounds, they have some type of residual, I'm actually going to call her after this. going to slash these benefits. And then you have to look at these people that you're talking to, I, I, I guess my only intent in that conversation is I think the government needs to do a much

1:16:59 you know, about a shoulder injury. Really? Yeah. 200 days's 200 days to get on the list. And I'm going to be special. of support that you guys have out there in the public i think did i send you that picture when It was kind of the chest beating, you know, Sorry. beating your wife. And you're like, I 90% of us are in the middle of just people that wanted to

1:19:39 and just deciding to do this and then start doing good with the money. because we wouldn't be in the position we are you're such a dork with this it's so obvious it's real i mean i love people that geek out on shit i But the thing that I've found that is just as interesting, if not more interesting than coffee, is the company gets bigger. That's not what I started out to do.

1:22:29 I deployed probably seven out of those nine years. a wide variety of reasons. We? It was actually very scary because that's not the kind of person that I wanted to be. And then you have this angry child who you were never there for. kind of done with, um, working for other people. Uh, I was not necessarily searching for purpose, whatever that definition for myself was.

1:26:32 just propaganda. Every one of my combat rotations, every one of my friends that has been killed or And I was getting kind of down on myself. And I was crying on this Pelican case in my garage. man, I don't want to have anything to do with that life anymore. right. It's, it's kind of recognizing that you have an addiction when you have an addiction.

1:29:46 Uh, and we do it all the time. off and you can't if you're by yourself it it's much more difficult. I think when you have and the reminders like matt won't let me be a shitbag it's just not possible he won't if i start Like, what's going on? we've had to do this part of that is just taking that leap of faith and saying, well, this is going to be really weird,

1:33:22 Well, time to start over at 26, seven years old. corporate dorks. Yeah. You know, I, I see people that are involved in business and I see the you know, making fun of people, but we want to be able to say, fuck, let's get this done, as far as the ecosystem of the company I love going to work there I would hate to it just says, bankers to get the fuck out of my office when they're like 15 minutes late just to get some

1:37:15 that's a giant problem with human beings today is that most people don't have a purpose. They don't nothing, they didn't mean anything, it wasn't important. whether that's when I'm 60 and have a heart attack, or I live to be 90, or I die tomorrow. And then you have student debt. You have obligations that you can't shirk. You're like, I want to make a change.

1:39:57 Maybe you're married. And this is the story of the American life that is untold. a chance like let's plan and two years from now we'll we'll make the leap let's start it online better. If you wanted to get into music, you can find 20 minutes in the day or get 20 minutes less Like my friend Cam Haynes. So shut the fuck up. You're going to have to also risk a little bit too.

1:42:43 They don't feel good. an audit is I don't want the regrets. I look at them now, But I didn't leave anything on the table in the previous 20 years. Now there's some guys that, you know, maybe they're phenoms and they're much more intelligent you find the right spot. And then I realized like, oh, no, I'm not lazy. And I used to think, oh, I used to think that was a weakness that like, oh, I'm not disciplined.

1:46:13 yeah right you don't want to sit in a fucking chair when you're 10 years old while some person Maybe he's got enough energy to get away from the gravity of this bullshit that you're teaching And if you try to point it in a direction And we had a really cool exercise in the business. you live in the clouds doesn't mean that, you you have adhd and you need to take anti-freaking whatever i just think we have

1:48:09 Like, but you need activity. And when I say that, it's, that's the, that's the level of, I guess, patience that I had for any of school here she goes to actual school you know and-year-old goes to school next week. Devastating. way to experiment on kids which is're, you're pulling this out of I'm like, this is a horrible idea that they're experimenting with kids.

1:50:52 What's like the desired outcome in that form of education? There's their assholes. They don't know what the fuck they're doing is that hopefully we come out of this with the ability of some type of homeschooling system constantly driving outside of the family, doing things you know, domestic violence issues. And that's what I'm hoping, that more people pay attention to your body.

1:54:27 Like, quite a few friends that had a cough for a day kind of felt sick one day, And he fucking parties. goddamn body take care of your health right take some vitamin d and zinc and c and just make that it's a cognitive one as well. and everything so let me let me ask the question though because I've heard you talk about it on the show, which why is it that we can't have that national conversation?

1:57:02 Get the UFC ref in here. Stop. so he was so fat that people are like holy fuck look at this guy you could see when disneyland But back then it was really hard. Harold Huge, alive, 712 pounds. Harold Huge. Barbecue store. Yeah. Four fat men at the circus. that. Yeah. We're washed up enough, dude. You could fat shame the shit out of people. And that's

2:00:30 we're bad people about certain things that you actually can change like it's one thing it's like you say to someone being mocked and yeah it's not nice it's not nice to yeah but you know it's shame so not nice is and they get drunk every night and you pull them aside and go hey man you are a fucking drunk and Are you cigarette shaming? Yeah. it's there they've changed this entire uh i think it's a how did that get in there how'd that get

2:04:09 I'm going to look progressive. When you gunned down the bad guys, were you a they or a them? And the danger is if you do make it politically correct, you're going to cost U.S. service members lives. No, this is one step on a fucking greased uphill yeah exactly and this is what happens if the infantry and the combat arms. America, you can't have the two. You have to have your war fighters that are out there,

2:07:08 as an, You can't fight wars with a politically correct attorney. And you're like, we, one of our guys just got shot. Like, where's the efficacy in that? complex some of these situations when it's completely dark, you're under night vision I mean, you know, there's no moral decision making us. when we look at some of the other countries that we actually have fought with. Some of these guys

2:10:33 warrior class as a society, we really have to look at it and say, how do we protect them? You know, theme in Jack Carr's books as well, is that there's these officers that are career politicians and doesn't take responsibility for the bad things, That's most of the time. his guys under the bus. You know, good leaders eat last. They're not careerists.

2:14:46 And then it is a massive downside I hear that all the time from guys. And sure, you have the leader, but when you have the officer types and even at some NCOs when the only thing that happened was risking the lives of Americans and special operation guys, You're more of, it's more of a peer system. It's driven on the individual capabilities in the can definitely take a page

2:17:41 The military has an incredible institution of knowledge on how to really curate good leaders. They do. In the special operations community, of course, I'm biased, but they create incredible leaders. They know how to really curate people's talent and put the right people in the right positions and then develop leaders. ranks of Ranger Battalion move on to tier one units and do have extraordinary heroic careers.

2:19:17 So you'll start to see different aspects of the officer corps shift based on administration because it's led by the They're so incredible, and not to take away from anything that's happening, but And if we have their respect and we can continue to promote in different aspects of what they're doing in their mission, we do that all the time. And when we do that, what I mean by that is,

2:22:22 change because he wants to, you know, get a promotion, but that's not really going to change the teams. But that's the fear that I have of people that don't have an understanding of this He just gave them the money that they needed and they stopped ISIS in a year. you want to stay safe yeah yeah and not just us but other parts of the world when you have radical

2:24:16 I don't know exactly what the answer is to that, October, November of 2001. Right? So roughly 90 days after the towers went down, we And then Trump, like him or not, is saying, well, let's downsize our troop involvement in Central Asia or Afghanistan. He says there is a military industrial complex that wants to go to war. reason right exactly why and when trump talks about it this is where it gets creepy he says

2:26:31 Is that what you're saying? because I've seen it. A small scale special operations contingent, as far as So people love to support and celebrate the previous administration for all the great things that Obama did. you have a president that's saying, I think we should downsize our footprint and you don't have absolutely we should be able to do that. Absolutely. But you know why we can't?

2:29:55 I really don't because I keep waiting. I keep waiting for the congressmen and the senators and a few of these other people to step up and say, wait a minute. Like, less war is good. I'd say probably a large part is government contracts, right? No, July. I'm sorry. Yeah. and what was the vote on that i forget i know And my answer to that is, you don't need tanks on the ground to do that.

2:32:59 Afghanistan. That's the argument. They need all of it. That's not a good argument? I don't think And that's because there really isn't one in which is a fucking problem. Right. And that's because there really isn't one in which is a fucking problem. When our leaders go to war without success criteria, it's really easy to maintain a military footprint for an endless amount of time because you're always chasing a new definition for what it means to succeed.

2:34:30 is what we want you to do. How do they get them all to agree on this? I think that they have a directly is related to how much war is being conducted. It's contradictory. how effective we, we are in the DOD as, as a nation in funding overseas wars and say what you want. But to contradict what we were saying earlier, the benefit of Trump was that he added funding

2:37:34 criteria that are clearly laid out, which is defeat and destroy ISIS and eliminate any stronghold, directly associated to any war, that is a absolute expectation that we should have for any politician Democrats and Republicans. it's honestly boring. That's what's nuts. And I'm sure there are a lot of people I have seven and a half years keep doing the same thing over and over and over again?

2:41:34 and they're going out on missions and stuff. And I haven't heard it, not even from friends that are on the ground i'm like they they have a um they have And we're not having a national complex conversation about it, and it's it's crazy to me They just keep moving. we really need to have that national conversation So how much more do we really have, do we really have the patience for, not necessarily the patience, but how much war is really acceptable

2:44:50 and it's happening behind closed doors. by think tanks and studies that are funded Yeah. Let's wrap it up with that. I think that it's one of those things, and you've talked a lot about it in your podcast. I think the expectation for us to expect more out of our politicians, I think, in sourcing different types of information from a wide variety of people.

2:47:00 I don't know, but these are complex conversations It's almost impossible for a human being to look at the whole picture from above And good leaders who are not financially motivated, Yeah. Break it down. whistling and like looking around and pretending this stuff doesn't exist what a noble cause he This is awesome, man. That's awesome.