Joe Rogan Experience #1559 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day You gave me one and I was using it as a coffee stirrer I don't know but you gave me a dick bone we used to laugh because he looked like – about muskrats i was like i hope i don't run into that dude in the marsh and now i'm like oh yeah i Chimps have it, right? All the weasels have it i think chimps have it we don't yeah weasels do uh here it goes oh it's absent human ungulates

3:47 People used to use them as canes I feel like I want to challenge you on But I would need to scrape into it with a pocket knife. No, there are... He called Lil Pump. There's a rapper How else can it be that heavy? Scrape it. But it's so heavy. I think Von Hippel is a biologist, right? Doug's a very good No matter what you say become interested in things being fossilized is uh you know if you're out on national forest land

7:27 it okay so you could find a like i found a few buffalo skulls that are old but still bone so but um yeah it would be that uh so now when i like look at stuff i'm always picking it up i'm I did one time find a bison skull on national forest land and did a site report where I cooperated with the forest, the administrative unit of that national forest,

9:30 do it because i know the first version of it they hired some actor to do it yeah it was it was it's And then my publisher basically turns around. They have sort of a stable. sounds like you know right and oh my god was it offensive and then 10 years goes by i wrote that But to me, it was richly symbolic professor out of Montreal. today. Woke culture

12:52 Okay. would they do that i think that it leads to that like writing a book and stand up because delivery is vastly more important than what you and people are used to the way you talk you have a very unique way of describing and discussing It's a very good book. it almost always signifies a downslide in their skills. But in watching it and that study of focus and discipline,

16:51 like at that point in life when you're just like, maybe that doesn't happen to you no it does yeah it does i remember you tell me you have three jobs Podcasting for sure helps stand-up comedy. increasingly you get scrutinized and over scrutinized in the media is it hard to tune you have 3 million people that don't like you? what are the numbers that are not going to enjoy you?

20:21 Yeah, it's way better. it's also like different perspectives like for some people the way i think and the way i i talk The acceptance of the First Amendment, I mean, like I brought this up before, but the ACLU, the ACLU was founded by people that were literally supporting Nazis, like supporting actual neo-Nazi groups and saying it like no. Like free expression is the only way you find out what's right and what's wrong.

22:44 media companies don't agree with. I'm not going to argue about that. they're on the verge of eviction, You remove their motivation, and then you develop a whole class of people that relies like intensely motivated by that. and he was kind of he was noticing that the how the left has sort of taken over this like air of There's so much noise. I heard you post something and run away.

27:13 it's super innocuous like i like watching pool i like watching pool games gotcha i like watching but i don't think it's good to read that shit at night but reading that shit at any time look i'm very consistent yeah But sometimes things come up and I'm like, oh, yeah, hmm. It doesn't always work out that good. various things i do for you know a living um it's the thing i enjoy most actually doing it right like having a guest on um

31:08 you know and it's like but but all criticism doesn't go that way because people like to You're living. Yeah. even if i know i killed i know i was there standing ovation everybody cheered everybody laughed no no it's not what i said i said quote and, quote, and I'll go to the grave with that. in the process of not just listening to what they're saying but you're steering the conversation

34:34 talking to somebody. in a way where it smoothly and comfortably enters other people's brains yes uh one of the ways i've Like when I did the earliest versions of the podcast, like 10 years ago, 9 years ago, we would just get barbecued and we would just talk shit as if no one was in the Like he needs more. oh my God, these guys are horrible human beings.

37:06 it's a weird medium podcasts are because it's never really existed before right this is a new michael jack Jackson leather jacket. Yeah, that's the same dude. He's the OG. There was never a thing where you could just put something out there, sit down, talk to people. With a gun. that this is a this You're wasting your... Yeah, he used to be like the lapdog of FM, and then became like the lapdog of satellite.

40:47 I think I tell you this every time I come on your show, but the first time I ever heard And I was like, it's a what? store documentary that just came out it was a five-part documentary and one of the episodes Yeah, but would you imagine yourself being a visionary? which is about Zuckerberg and those guys coming out on Facebook, It was a great way for it.

43:04 You'd like those things? I loved it. It was fun fun i'd get up in the morning smoke a joint go in there with my What are you into? books it was i just thought that was the worst thing that could possibly happen to a person Because those guys were on, well, I first started doing it, it was on the regular radio too, but they were on XM. We'd all just be shitting on each other and laughing.

45:14 There was guys before. like howard stern just you just you wait just you wait there was none of that i just keep showing up And I remember thinking, oh. happened like because you're just doing it like this right yeah but you know you know what you But people be like, dude, you were always like you did all kinds of stupid everything. And I think part of –

48:19 And because of – I think there's a certain amount of not give a fuck that comes with that. Sam, his brother Bill wrote a book about it. It's like there was one Sam and then Sam got hit by a car and his brother who talks about it in his book called brother sam his brother bill wrote a She was institutionalized for nine months after a car accident. And then just wild and impulsive.

50:03 It made them wilder there has there's no The things that hold people back. I mean, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. i'm just gonna keep doing it like i just didn't it didn't like agents want i had nothing to do Like, what the fuck are you doing? time that i spend practicing archery is fucking preposterous it's ridiculous for a person who is

52:41 that that spawned these things right but in fact they arrived at this like same place It started out as maybe like somewhat of a revolt. Exactly. You can't do it. But that's the way it got there in the first place. where they're talking about subjects. And then they go to this and that, Podcast is real. Like, what went wrong? Like a normal show that reaches the amount of people that this show does,

56:36 And let's be real clear that here's the information that you have to go over, and there's none of that here. is to leave it wild but how are you going to leave it wild though when all these people are paying americium or something for some boy scout project he was doing story in harper's magazine called the radioactive boy scout he winds up accumulating so much of this

59:45 can't put that many of those things in one spot but what's the argument against it the argument very valid argument right so i i like to no i like to hear him out on it i like to hear him Time to pull the plug. Well, okay. I was doing a poor example of that. And then I told people to go do it. Yeah. But I think she was going to win anyway. There's a real problem with them is that there's inauthentic voices.

1:04:02 talk to me you would never talk to joe biden like this and um 60 minutes wound up using a very small percentage was it 60 minutes jamie yeah they wound because he doesn't like the way a flag is moving. on who my guests are. celebrities in. Yeah, I was like, damn. at least with the way some people do it it's just authentic it's just raw so when people hear it with stumbles

1:06:53 where you have a million producers and everybody cuts in between commercials this, and this is a, and we've got, it shows that whenever you talk about this, people because too many people get involved you have too many people shift them and mold them and it's like to have no water in my ear now yeah that's a bad analogy but you get what i'm saying that's how I feel when I listen to your show.

1:08:43 author whose book got turned that's a great one damn when they instead of doing it on the plains they decided doing a rainforest in the pacific you know he's really aware of your uh how much fun you guys have with the movie. And I was like, I think what it is, The fact that... Was the movie... Based on a real wrestler, Mark Schultz, who fought in the UFC.

1:11:32 Gary Goodrich was a famous fighter. his uh his gi on and in the movie now there's a guy with a fucking bear shirt a white guy like uh i think it comes from people wanting to exert creative influence yeah um and also people with the second one, right it's like very precise i use a very small knife to do it. And no joke being like, could you do it with a machete?

1:14:32 havalon type knives those uh when i first saw that i go oh that's genius and then i thought I mean, I'm kind of a martial arts historian. that is just a producer who wants to come in toronto i mean big daddy goodrich is famous that's why this is crazy yeah like mark schultz was famous You could wear shoes. Whereas now, maybe they would look at that as an opportunity to get

1:16:50 had got murdered by this DuPont guy. Just informed from a hodgepodge of events. But they're beaver trappers. The trapping scenes are like laughably bad. Yeah, I had a conversation once because they were talking about things in movies, that that's pretty badass like like chuck norris give him all the you want but there's a No matter, like they killed his dog and then he got pissed.

1:20:01 It was like a real movie. You know who's a good example, as weird as it sounds? lie like an analysis a sort of director's cut style analysis of the fight scene at the end of People got mouthy with him in this movie, and it's not a good move. Right there. Bam! That's 100% scenes oh now he's gonna get but watch this even the way look why is it steven seagal people talk

1:22:26 And they were like, people don't know that. Has GQ asked you to do one of those breakdowns? you could just spark up a joint go yeah all right in in brave well whether you do it with them or not i feel like um a good fight scene breakdown Would it be a good parody It looks like a the breakdown i wanted to do a parody of the breakdown where an expert comes in and analyzes

1:25:27 and we kind of like um over lunch one time hit on an idea for a book and she seemed to like agree you should call and double check. conversation about who you're going to talk to yeah it's weird you've you've reduced it you've What are they supposed to be like? Like, there's so many men out there that feel like they don't have anybody that represents the way they think.

1:28:15 Meaning that you'll voice something transcripts of what you say and not and get a false idea of it where if they listen to you the interaction was a joke that was in the interview with cbs the same sort of thing could go on all day about legitimate complaints someone might have with like the administration weird place for people that might listen to this someday uh no one knows who the president is right

1:31:22 Do you think you'll run for president someday? to break down your character. Yeah. hunter biden emails they avoided all that they avoid so much they avoid so many different things why aren't these other people covering this? Here's Joe Biden over and over and over again. It's weird, but it shows you that the news is not just the news. But there's never been this obvious where they're just ignoring really hard you don't want someone to be president

1:35:16 oh so biden's gonna win that i i don't know that's the part of like i've i heard last night um Oh, dude, they're down to reporting chunks of 3,000 votes. i don't say like how can you justify the argument you want to stop counting yeah but they want to Yeah, right. Sure. I got a call. The fact that they tried to call me to rectify the situation. to get your vote in. And I missed.

1:38:11 Man, I just lost 300 bucks. we sat here and talked about that America would be on fire as we recorded this. isn't it funny like the different way the different camps if there is like a court and a dispute yeah one's like a display yeah like i don't think that any no one that will get if no one that's you probably don't feel this i right now i'm kind of like grieving for america a little bit

1:41:03 When I go to the gas station and go in to buy some shit, When I go and talk to my neighbors, But to her, social media is awesome. centrists or you know had you know a little bit of ideas from the left a little bit of ideas from You thought they could have done it? and move everybody out, kind of like blow up on this grand national scale doesn't surprise me after seeing like that level

1:45:25 moved there in 94 was nothing like this. Nothing. There was no tents ever. There was no, you never Where do you put them? It's fucked. I was going to a restaurant there with my wife and we stopped at a red light and there's like a river access park cleanup went and picked up all kinds of garbage at a river access near our so they take some bags fill up some garbage set it on the trail we hauled away and like for a week

1:48:14 great poverty So he would specifically do that on purpose? Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why something like universal basic income is interesting to me. Scared the shit out of everybody. He's the reason why Bush didn't win a second paying more taxes. You remember Ross Perot? He used to make those little charts showing where your money went. Scared the shit out of everybody.

1:50:41 and and why it's dirty yeah scare the shit out of people it's a weird time to be alive steve i'm not uh i don't i'm worried about the future of this in a, man, and so I like worry about the country in a way, uh this is true because someone's saying that google and facebook both remove the ability to have I don't do emojis. You should be proud of things you've accomplished.

1:53:50 I mean, it's an amazing place to be. hacked on the government the whole time and built a successful business you don't think there's a and no one shows up to beat me up. and the ufc uh tried to uh plea make a plea to the iranian government to to not kill As bad as it is here, and it's not ideal. very um i'm i'm interested to hear you did that because I had an astonishingly similar thought process as I filled out my ballot is to live in a state where there's not any question about where it's going to go and to try to support – not necessarily like the Libertarian Party, but to try to support the necessarily like the libertarian

1:56:39 like this like gets mocked i mean all the way back to ross perot just uh no one i mean he's about as close as when do you step up yeah when do you say i don't want to participate in this ridiculous I like that you think about how long I need to get one of those for roughly my life expectancy, and it counts down backwards. my brain so hard But don't you think that-

1:59:55 Easily? Yeah, that's what we wanted to talk about. Talk about where you were at, a Fognac Island, had a lot of bears as being like you know a mature brown bear okay so mature kodiak brown bear yeah you're helpless, it must trigger something in your mind I'm embarrassed to admit, we were hunting it had hung a elk up in a tree and left it for a day and a half all the meat

2:02:35 and i determined that looked like it'd been smeared by a boot which would have meant we'd But he hit it in the head with a pair of black diamond trekking poles. thing um and uh sometimes it's disappointing that you don't handle stress that well you know They enter a sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy mentality I still have to snap myself out of it.

2:04:44 you can stop. good decisions if you walk into like a active car crash scene or whatever and there's a severed hand get conditioned to a bear attack i don't know i don't know you i mean on that same island these and someone was laughing about why my sandwich looked so much nicer than someone else's sandwich as though like a landmine That was scary, man.

2:07:48 It was disappointing, man, because we're always talking about, that another bear has never looked at me before yeah i've seen black bears black bears look at Like, that is just a different thing. So they're bigger, they're more fierce, and they have no pressure. This is my friends, John and Jen Rivett. live in the bush and they'll tell you that there's a lot of grizzlies up there and then there was also a thriving uh business and industry of people that

2:10:37 Jamie could pull it up. It doesn't usually have teeth, but it might in the future. there are there's a lawsuit right now in in montana there's a lawsuit against the governor and the state who they put a cap, deer elk moose caribou to eat and use i'm like very unapologetic about my view that i want there to be a lot of deer elk whatever game what's most of your food right yeah i want like i want that to

2:12:55 Let's see here. Holy shit. it's only Because the argument is like, oh, you're making it a popular vote. you'll kind of like generate a sort of different sort of wolf that way um so i hope it doesn't through southern wyoming and going to colorado they might have kind of a It could be that if we're headed down a path where it's just going to happen, They want it to happen real fast. And do they have a specific reason why they want it to happen faster?

2:16:36 to rectify that crime, that sin, I have a suspicion that I have a, a personal theory that it's a kind of a way to sort of stick it to. Environmental groups? is kind of a true thing, I don't think we can justifiably play we should agree what that population looks like and they should be managed by the state yeah it was pretty recent it was cool to see the other day we were looking at a brand new um it

2:20:40 across the road i was like is that a fucking dog what is that it was one of those things yeah i saw i saw a black one this year and all the time i saw it i was wondering if that's what i was i was like what is wrong with you but it was just like in between trees and you know dense forest i couldn't tell what the fuck i was looking at When people talk about seeing Bigfoot, you know, I ran into one lady when I was doing

2:22:29 that was standing on two feet. because they don't realize that people are always like ducking to get out of a shot People love to find missing things, have different languages and dialects and they might be aliens. they like the dinosaur books especially the ones where there's like always a picture of a dinosaur than a person relative right so you get a relative

2:24:36 The biggest creature ever is now. They think they might have found a Megalodon yards from the servers and you see a great white swimming through the water just right past these Yeah, they're amazing. She's like, near our house. We're laughing, driving down the road. There was access to here. So these Nilga, Yeah. You know, I dog on him about the name of that all the time.

2:27:44 there i don't believe so he just had the patio i don't believe it's some kind of limited situation I've only met him once, but his restaurant's amazing. we're able to hunt on this property that doesn't get hunted very heavily. Wow. So, it's approachable, mild, reminiscent of beef. it's like america's deer america's meat um people in those areas like screw that man i'm eating seagate deer and with people that have exposure to axis deer feel that way and people have exposure

2:30:14 That doesn't look like a real animal. And how far do the lungs go back? Yeah, you actually, you got to aim like weirdly forward and weirdly low is that a an animal that gets hunted by tigers in its natural environment? They're equipped to deal with it. pronghorn or what we popularly call antelope um they're ridiculously fast yeah for anything they Are you still talking to him?

2:32:48 It was a very hard class to take, and I learned a tremendous amount from that guy. Ice Age. radiocarbon dating that had been done around lyndon meyer so we knew all these ages and he people in the anthropology side want to uh employ the uh blitzkrieg theory right which is no it's human migrations and you found this kind of this compelling pattern of the fact that people show up and shit goes extinct.

2:35:41 It's seductive because What started to eat away at the that you had the the mammoth populations were perhaps collapsing long before people showed up and have this impact on it. or through sieves. because now like you take a elephant a dead elephant dump it on the ground look at it in a Oh, my God, he killed it. to put together a comprehensive portrait of history through this.

2:40:05 or just people might be like died there yeah i mean you know i might be cutting up deer my kids they didn't get colonized by humans yeah why did all this big shit go extinct in australia And you can see on the skulls, this is no joke. Yeah. We were going to talk about putting it. kind of stuff projectile points points. Big projectile points. to come by and found hundreds of projectile points up there wow you know these things are

2:43:39 unbelievable points it just seems so fucked up to what it hasn't been picked over yet i know but it Yeah. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. I know. wow like i just seen woolly mammoths in that in their habitat there um at sort of the There you go. Look at that right next to his foot. But that, look at all the tusks they keep finding there. At least she knew what she was getting into yeah man yeah my old stomping grounds i've never been uh but uh that's uh oh you really no

2:48:27 And what surprised these hunters was that the wolf seemed very intent on one individual and bit this individual. Had a bout, had to be restrained, took home and he died wow yeah and that was in his his boy out and held him you know sobbing and then heard some sounds in the distance it's a rare individual that i just don't think we grow people like that anymore no it's over

2:51:37 humans you know back in the 16 1700s like dude read Russell read Russell He was like 30 years after contact in those areas. So here's Lewis and Clark discovering the Great Plains, right? from back then from a native american tribe had gone to france like that sounds insane like how you know the tribes absolutely it was like they weren't capable of making these decisions for

2:54:27 Joe Rogan had to ruin it all. Like when people in the future Oh, Chicago. They were presented to King Louis XV, and they performed a dance at the opera. on audiobook about Native Americans, maybe it was Black Elk. Black Elk Speaks elk speaks yeah where they talked about him going participants of that battle would later get together. Right, reenacting.

2:57:29 like my old man fought in World War II. who were in the war Deep, deep, deep hatred. to the bitter end like they they knew there was no surrender because if you surrendered you would but a lot of it had you know there's like things about the how how you if you could handle that um and not crack it was respected it was like a testing you know but i mean it was like everyone knows how this story is going to end and that day didn't have any bearing

3:01:11 we're sort of talking about d-day as the baculum and incident and we've lost sight of d-day And then it became bigger over history. Over time, it became that that story got infused with all this importance and symbol. You had to be close to each other to kill each other. and also interesting that the uh the plains indians seem to take delight in it like it was uh

3:03:18 game yeah we had the guide book yeah guide books like um complete guide to hunting butchering and man i don't know we haven't talked about it it's illustrated yeah that would be a problem right currently premiere on netflix and then um go to know, you can find them on Sportsman Channel, Outdoor Channel, past episodes. Thanks for being here.