Joe Rogan Experience #1582 — Alex Berenson Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! But I do think that you had a realistic perspective on cannabis. and some of the downsides. I like it. Just wait till you get the blowback you get for today, man. It's contagious. by forcing people to shut down their businesses and their only the only thought has been making no one can ever get sick and die from COVID. It is wrong that this disease exists and we have to

4:01 I was like, this is going to kill everybody. A lot of my friends were caught it's weird how uh people want to pretend that it's still what it used to be and they want to say And I don't know if you, and as I said, I've got all this stuff for you. People don't really have a good idea of what, what risk is, right? So if I say, you know, like it's This risk is not like that.

7:21 who was a young, healthy-looking guy who got sick and wound up dying from Can we talk about that? aerosols from them. And it looks like that happened. So that's why they were saying that 80% of the people they put on ventilators wound up dying. I can point you to stories that have been written about this, and I can point you to sort of in-hospital discussion of this.

10:15 Visited his family and drove home that night and then did a bunch of auditions in LA and then got sick real sick Yes, he did. Okay, so that's one issue with the death counting, is that so many of the people, so let's say you're, and I urge people, one of the things that I've done a couple of times on Twitter that always gets an interesting response is you can go look at coroner's reports, especially in Milwaukee, where they put them all online, of people who've died.

11:49 that's the average for people that died of COVID. PCR testing. fluorescent marker to it. And at some point, if you can see the fluorescence, it's considered a when people have a low threshold, let's say 20 times, let's say it only takes 20 cycles, I don't like to say never unless I'm sure. but it was 38 cycles. Okay. You are not very sick at Okay, a heart attack is a potential outcome of COVID.

15:48 died from heart attacks where it's clear? you know, you can find a comment from Fauci in July talking about this, okay? And certainly, you're going to capture people on the way in just as they're getting sick. So if you're truly afraid that they're inflating the number of people But the states are sort of allowed to define it. run down, the COVID multiplies, and then they have a full-blown case, and then they start spreading?

18:34 It looks to be very rare. called pneumonia deaths. It's probably COVID. That was probably true at the time, especially in New York and New Jersey. You can look and you can now I die because I'm 88, that's a COVID death, okay? We also know that a significant number of people are dying from lockdown. Again, what I'm trying to say is, I know this math can sort of seem complicated and the stacking can

21:50 And that's one of the reasons why they've classified things the way they have. but they never tested him for COVID. Because you get, and this is known, What it means is they're going to test you for COVID. No, no. This conspiracy that the hospitals are incentivized to say that there's COVID cases that aren't. April, pneumonia deaths were higher. And that's a good reason to think that we were actually

24:48 Not N95s. He's out of his mind. he's healthy as fuck he just listen reggie would wear that just because it's cool is it cool he's He's got his fucking glasses on. No joke. You'll probably sell about a million of these right now. This is like infrared protection. How does it do nothing? Because they want to sell some masks. The mask doesn't prevent you.

28:16 to get you sick. Okay, but let me effectiveness okay so so okay here's here's the fact okay people talk A micron is one millionth of a meter. care enough to put on an N95 and wear it even though it's uncomfortable and it's fitted properly, Or you would reduce the amount of viral load Doesn't it impact you how much you take in? all on top of each other.

31:48 The virus definitely spreads inside very aggressively. that's how he got it that's how he thinks he got it that motherfucker got it from bars he's in a Don't tell fucking... know the number one thing you could do to stop this open the windows okay open the windows and It's really hard to see. So that's a really good question. And we, even though they wear masks,

34:45 think, oof, this poor bastard. Is there any evidence? That study was done. So ideally you try to find two cities Okay. papers is there's really three kinds of And the only time we've done it with trying to see if masks protect the wearer, in general, But we do agree that the larger the viral load you take in, Maybe I only need one virion to become sick.

38:16 So we are at sort of But it's not clear. everybody that this is something to be really scared of and there's a and if you're you know forum for human content. and kind of out there there's a bunch of things that they're signaling. It's weird that a year ago that was not an issue at all ever. Yes. I'm not taking the NRA ones. a grade three or grade four adverse event. Grade three means that you basically aren't able to

42:10 Let me tell you, if you call your doctor and tell him you have 104, he's going to tell you if it doesn't go down pretty soon, you should go to the ER. Okay. And how long do these usually last? Trials haven't been going on that long. So T-cell immunity is produced by people to me for a couple of reasons. This technology is very new. These Yes, that's correct. That's quite clear.

44:53 and you're in a nursing home, get the vaccine, okay? It can't be worse than dying from COVID. You don't have to get vaccinated. you get penicillin, if you have something else, you take this, like some pure proven, Yes, it is. And you mentioned how many particles, possibly it's more particles is more likely to get you sick. that are more likely to get into your lungs. So again, I'm not saying that's true. What I'm saying-

47:51 They go right through your underwear, right through your pants, has a point with that if he's going to fly. They eat bad food or they just don't care Back to the fart thing. I don't think the logic is particularly strong, Well, no. They've plucked essentially floating virus out of the air in hospital rooms. That I'm an asshole. me a liar she also uh later admitted basically that masks don't work to protect the wearer which

51:22 should pay for everything and that we should siphon off the money from the wealthy people to you know pay people's mortgages and Like, how does this happen? for people who stream movies and profit from them. It's bizarre. this book and you can and you can say that's the pot book for folks yeah you can say like this guy And by the way, alcohol kills a whole lot of people.

53:26 else. It's about this is psychiatrically harmful to a lot of people and we're not talking about it. and I saw the New York Times where I used to work, and you know what, people can yell at me for Don't just shout at me that I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. and it's gotten much, much worse since I left The Times 10 years ago. This thing has messed up the world in a mammoth way this year.

55:55 i think they're afraid of racism or something there seems to be some sort of indication that my politics are that it's impossible to be too cynical. Just like you said with the bill that Well, we were criticized on the podcast because I had Brett Weinstein, who's an evolutionary biologist, who discussed all the reasons, scientific reasons, why there's evidence that indicates that this is not a

57:24 from the beginning that this groupthink was established that you are not to question that. right? We know that there was a virus that was 96% similar to it that they had at that lab, So the virus 99 percentile in the wild. And believe me, don't you think the Chinese have looked in the last year? coincidence crazy coincidence yeah but we're not allowed to talk about that yeah if you talk about it you're a trump supporter yeah the group thing is it's so strange with

1:00:41 you know i there was one thing in May where I really got dogpiled. and I was paid pretty well. we were both on nbc together um nice guy but he said he liked the book by the way he talked it The reason why I can do this podcast is I don't have a boss. If I had a boss or... I mean, they came after you with the trans stuff, right? it's to the people that know me from this podcast they know me from 1500 plus episodes that are more than three hours long often they know who i am so if you say that

1:03:52 I remember an off-Broadway thing with, I guess I should say her, maybe 20 years ago. You can't tell me there's no difference between male and female frames. People realize it's more and more thought of as being hysterical and not based in reality. But it's a dangerous time, Joe, because, you know, so Trump, look, become president he's the wrong guy to unite america yeah he's so fucking polarizing i think this is so personally difficult to like

1:06:46 Because under pressure, he was never like yelling at reporters. Like, why is he yelling? crazy yes he drove them so crazy that they would essentially said you know what anything goes to had locked into a mindset that they had at the beginning of the pandemic where this is going to devastate the population and kill a bunch of people or a large percentage, I should say, of the people, 10% or whatever the fuck they get it.

1:08:48 I think there's a lot more people that are not in support of lockdowns, few minutes ago, there's actually evidence that lockdowns are counterproductive because they force people into their homes and most transmission happens inside, that you get some extra nurses and doctors in there um you need to you know encourage people there's not actually great evidence that hand washing does anything but we should all be

1:11:20 That doesn't get Governor Cuomo, you know, a book deal and on TV. Unfortunately, the idea of closing off nursing homes is not a great idea. And here's why. up and not getting bed sores. work, and we're going to manage through this. Once we realized it wasn't the plague, once we realized We're going to, and by the way, here's the one thing, Joe, with multiple family members including multiple generations they don't get very sick it goes the

1:14:50 it's not always in general the transmission is adult to child right the thing is though we're Okay, but the schools, closing schools, all the stuff you said might, might, might. And I know there's people also that are single parents that don't have someone to watch their children and they don't know what to do. And then it's horrible. There's I'm not going to say that's never happened,

1:16:38 Gave it to his dad, and his dad wound up in the ICU. Right. is extremely low, That's right. correct? That was 2017, 2018. and we could check this, so I shouldn't say Okay. kids dying of COVID? It's just the table from the CDC, so it's... Yeah. And then 65 to 74 goes up to almost 60,000. this year anyway okay being 85 you don't have that much candle left. Right, there's not much left.

1:20:02 It's real weird with this. johnson got aids that's right that's what we heard hiv no aids but i was in my car and i was like oh The problem was they didn't focus prevention on those people. right a lot of these you know middle-aged people and young people young millennials they're scared Terrified. okay i know but it's still weird that it didn't just like everything that's happened with this

1:23:10 forefront of the fear campaign. but he did say, That was weird. He said surgical masks don't really work. I mean, I think his logic holds true. i brought up the side effects they start debating like they know for a fact that it's not true or Everything I put in there that's important of the things about the booklets okay everything i put in there is it possible that people could die from it yes yeah i mean there's a small number of people that hit grade four yes is it possible that people

1:26:46 of the vaccine uh increases as you are younger it looks like why is that again probably because She stubs her toe. We went to the movies, and someone was shooting up, and she was like, whoa, what the fuck is going on? Especially if it's like you see something, just seeing something, and you can't take it. the vaccine seems okay look at jamie he's got a smile on his face he doesn't give a fuck

1:28:59 Two years from now? will give them the antibodies they already have and at worst will they'll get a vaccine at some point even if it's not the you know the mrna vaccine maybe i should get a vaccine at some point. Even if it's not the mRNA vaccine, maybe I should get a vaccine. I think you're being naive. No, not just to get people vaccinated. Why would they risk suicide, drug addiction, overdoses?

1:31:24 They're basing it on... That's what King of the king of california says that's right No, first of all, they can add more beds, okay? The hospital ships were empty and those are incredibly expensive to run. Okay. So they're supposed to be mostly full. And guess what? I can find you pictures. They're easy and this is the reason why they're locking down,

1:33:50 I've got to say, if you wanted to exactly what i think i don't believe in conspiracy i believe in confluence okay okay so i like so people. And you sort of ignore the fact that mainly, you know, 90% of people kills are over And you're aware that they are going to, you know, make people more willing to take a vaccine. dopey logic for why people were sick it was he was literally blaming the people who were sick and

1:37:00 lockdowns don't work yeah it doesn't seem to work but it did work in australia Right. You can see it's not a conspiracy theory. That's get in the sauna. So if there's another case or another 15 cases, you lock down again. Right now. Okay? guess people like it like no they don't like it i mean no i don't like it anymore no no i mean people like the people yeah yeah i don't understand it's not those are the kind of

1:40:49 Yes. Did you see what she did last week? household you need to stay at home she goes to this vacation home and what's her excuse joe After overwhelming holiday travel scandal. Perhaps get the light inside their bodies. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, safety precautions were put in place because he has money. Some people believe that about fucking Joe Biden for the rest of their fucking lives

1:43:36 They've been corrupted from the jump, from the moment they got into office. i'm a cage fighting commentator and a stand-up comedian i have no desire to run anything or forgotten or not thinking about about the vaccine. Vaccines are money into a product that they believe is effective or that looks to be effective what's the leading companies in the industry,

1:46:38 Okay, so the stuff is in clinical trial data. that's that is a new thing right that has never existed before it's been a fight actually about You know, a trial lawyer is going to kill us for that. it before. But just to go back, okay, so you asked me, where do we know about this stuff? Well, But, you know, the FDA has a lot to do. hey, maybe only people over 75

1:50:41 But I'm not saying that they haven't published it. and they were just interested in transparency and they came out and said folks this, this is the virus. It's killing X amount of people. Are they just not mentioning this? I mean, there's been sort of positive stories How many? Fewer than 1,000. 800. Fewer than 5%. Okay. If they'd wanted to run a good clinical

1:53:12 that would have shown everybody where the risk is. And then maybe the discussion would have been around immunizing those people. Commercially, you want the trial set that's big and includes said openly that it was not fair to give this to older people. karens who never leave their homes everybody's out everybody's kind of passing it around and and But to make this distinction, is he advising this?

1:56:03 I believe the state of Minnesota. you can make that case. Once you introduce race into it, you've polluted everything. Study reveals impact of socioeconomic factors longer instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them I mean, if more white people die, But also support, right? Not yet. Because society is unbalanced.

1:59:12 are women oftentimes in 20s, 30s, and 40s, like i'm i'm a joe right so average joe like i'm cool with that it's fine yeah no karen there's And they're listening to all the fear porn that's spewed out all over cnn and all over these who's telling them not to worry about shit. We got to lock down. Can I borrow one of your guns? They were telling me they want to get a gun. How do I get a gun? Can I borrow one of your guns?

2:01:20 So these women the ability to objectively go into this stuff with an open mind and look at the variables and say and to get people to pay attention to a lot of people think it's far, far more dangerous than it is. He was all this crazy shit. you know, these are people who are in shitty, And your immune system. We don't challenge them to be in dirt or anything.

2:04:18 Yeah. veneer okay he's clearly at least been deceptive on some issues oh one of them was coming out of That makes sense. Yes, that's how sick he was. Today, 3,000 people died. folks. I hate to say that, but they're not. Right? So, yeah, you know, we put all these people on ventilators. pediatric inflammatory syndrome. This idea that post-COVID, there were kids who were going to get

2:07:50 The story? This idea, sometimes you can have an inflammation or an infection of the heart muscle with COVID. one reason why the schools have stayed closed for so long. And basically, by July, I mean, don't collapse, and we don't need 100,000 ventilators, and a million people don't die, Ah, yes, long haul. affected him for a long period of time and you're in the ICU or you're on a ventilator.

2:10:16 It's going to take you some time, right? talked to you about he's in his 40s he's a healthy robust guy months later he was still fatigued okay most people who get sick with COVID who are under 70 don't get particularly you know, I'm not talking about celiac disease, okay? And again, I'm not talking about your friends. What is the blood clot issue? But when you get a guy who's in his 30s,

2:13:50 So, again, could we go find a case report from the flu and blood clots? Certainly if you're hospitalized. I think that it's pretty indistinguishable from depression and anxiety in a lot of people. Yeah. I don't think it's common. You're dying for one reason or another. to talk about because it's a level of medical precision that I don't want to pretend to.

2:16:42 looking the right way to do this would be to The Big Ten got scared. And in fact, the researchers basically walked back their conclusions. My joke about this, which is not really a joke, is wait till you see ketamine for long haul COVID. Apparently it works. Do you think that this is just the consequence of we'd be in lockdown forever. So here's the two things that have clearly happened.

2:20:25 Even, you know, even in the drug companies, Healthcare is only becoming more powerful. Okay? there so so okay we couldn't have done this no joke now we can we have the bandwidth for a lot Amazon, Google, Facebook. Those companies are, they've made more money than they've ever made. booklets... Let me see these. do they tell you why no they didn no. They didn't tell it.

2:23:32 Okay? They should be in the business. Screw this Barron's about you. Look at all the reviews. Oh, that's good. A friend of mine sent me. Yeah, microchips. My view on this, by the way, is basically it should all be allowed to be out there. Well, they're hiring a bunch of people to fact check. First of all, in general, the antidote to speech is more speech.

2:26:26 right okay but and the third thing is what i said to you about the companies having a financial That's probably their first choice. So the medicalization of society, not going away. And the tech, you know, the techization of society, It's killed 1.6 million people this year. it's the truth um is there less danger of a virus that kills old people are old people less valuable

2:29:20 Joe, ask it the other way. If you're a person who goes away from the orthodoxy and not just publishes one, but three different booklets about this. which I might, but I feel like I need to do one on vaccines. So Elon Musk said something. We shouldn't be censoring. His husband was protesting, wearing a mask inzil and got it and was really sick and his husband's

2:31:42 Just like I've been now, you know, the Times, they wrote a hit piece on me back in July. and scientists hate me, blah, blah, blah. the media's position has basically been to ignore me. Well, they're worried about the blowback. Well, they still think of themselves as the mainstream, and who you can and can't have on. And that's why they're screaming for Google and Facebook to do their job for them, because

2:34:45 What they would like is there to be some sort of gatekeeper or some sort of filter. That's right. with the various things that, Yes. No, I'm just kidding. Hold on. people today post this whole trump madness trump derangement syndrome and all the other shit that's which I really think was the truth at the time the time look there was some bias in terms of story selection in other

2:37:45 what, what the story was, was supposed to be an accurate representation of reality. we don't really know what reality is but we're gonna try there's an objective truth out there It's like the religion of woke is more important than the objective dissemination of reality. because I wish there was a place that I could go to they feel like they have this,

2:40:31 intelligent way they were the best writers like you would read it and you're like this is yeah it's all real i mean so so so you know it's funny you say like a centrist you know some kind of It's going to have to come from a place like that, where it starts from the beginning with that in mind. a citizen journalism but but you're doing it in the most organic possible way.

2:42:47 And I think, unfortunately, journalist based on that spotify contract i wouldn't complain too much no i'm not complaining that does exist with YouTube and some other places, I just see too much. of a third party was shit that they they ban people from uh for and that's one of them that's just one of them but I just started reading it again. But the idea of you're in the kingdom of the sick or the kingdom of the well.

2:46:06 the worst thing that's ever happened to you and if being afraid of catching a disease that 99 point and and in being a victim and so there's so many people that love to talk about it you know and that have, like, you know, fucking struggled and come here from other countries and like really really strong i've What was that like? gonna go you're laughing about a morgue um but that to you is you've seen one of the worst things

2:48:50 people are looking to attack people And I said, I don't really think they're mad at you. I think they look at you and that's a target they go oh there's one it's gonna read a book i haven't read a book in so long and i and i did and i read like you know i read Elle magazine published this article about this woman who'd been a reporter for Bloomberg

2:51:00 No, she did. You're going to feel bad about this when I tell you where this is going. She quits Bloomberg in 2018 when they Okay. She's writing I went with crap. Turns out at the end of the article, she basically hasn't talked to Skreli almost this whole year. It turns out it's a story of delusion, like almost, almost psychotic delusion that this Like, have some sympathy.

2:53:21 I mean, that's part of how it lays out when you stay online all oh my god what does she look like? There's a certain small subset of women that are attracted to that. It was so... the dots and they just see oh he pretty I like his cheekbones he make baby with me you know there's on Twitter Mm. you don't do anything. Well, I'm a little bit hypocritical as well because I've been shitting all over Gavin Newsom.

2:57:01 I want to grab it. He is pretty smart, win a conversation they're not just trying to discuss things i think one of the benefits of And if you don't, yep and I don't think most people trust politicians with basic reality so we're It's a process. shouldn't be at all. Okay. But people are afraid of science and there's something else that's and most of them are working on it. And once you start working on something, no matter who you are

3:01:39 We didn't let Oppenheimer decide whether to drop the bomb. Truman decided, okay? I'm not going to be afraid of you because he is a germaphobe and he isn't that smart and he is In closing, do you think that maybe it's wise to support the distribution of the vaccine Under 50, definitely not. else you get immune to the disease by getting it and recovering from it right but you also can transmit it when you get it if you're symptomatic if you

3:04:32 people want to tell other people to comply because they want to comply and they want to know that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, they're going to try to find Well, thank you, Alex.