Joe Rogan Experience #1589 — Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Tom Selleck? Oh, he did. And it just stopped being a thing. So he's Juan Valdez. Yeah, I like my door at home. Because I'm a light sleeper Oh yeah I'm 68 i like that yeah but even porn stars don't wear them anymore it's like an 80s porn stash i'm stuck Harry Reams. That's like Mr. Atlas.

2:55 Famous porn star Harry Reams. Yeah, and another mover. You're to be here with you. Yeah and another I second all that. Abbott has been very reasonable about certain factors that I love. Is that happening now? They had five people in the house or something like that oh, this is why it's dangerous to have too many restrictions. Yeah, it's... You could have figured out a way to tax people.

6:41 restaurants they were adding a small amount of additional tax to compensate for no and i you know on my list i have a couple of the um uh the articles it doesn't make sense There's some other element that's out there that's creating, you know, negating all the protective modalities that they're doing. That's it. lot of credibility on it um the difference between the different pcr testing is that so there's a

9:22 The spikes kicked in right around. I think I was sharing with you earlier about in India, which has four times the amount and so forth. So zinc, Dr. Saluth And I'll tell you honestly, I didn't know that it was an inofor until just a year ago, and that's the whole premise of what Andrew and I are doing Turmeric. Red meat? though right now it's this unbelievable

13:57 your nutrition, calcium and phosphate. So calcium, they're afraid that too much calcium will cause Cigarettes, smoking, diabetes. It's so funny because in today's world, the word cholesterol is like a red flag for something bad in your diet. That would be my daughter, Allison, to answer that question because I turn to her. She's the one that does the nutrition and support for our patients and gut-brain health.

16:18 they're not having the full benefits of having a balanced hormonal system. testosterone in the blood, goes back to the hypothalamus. And the hypothalamus says, oh, things work together, that can be very complicated for people sure like it's hard to remember it's hard is there what's the best way to make sure that you're thank you the gmos staying away from the genetically modified um plant material um we

18:58 And when she's off it, she loses weight. Like I'm five days in now, is today the fifth? Yeah, it's because you're not kicking in insulin. Like my stomach blows up. You know, the spike in insulin causes a drop in sugar, in glucose. So it's delayed. That's why I have to be very careful with what I eat. I was like, oh. What about Gus's fried chicken? yeah something i don't know cornstarch i don't know what they put on the outside but it's that

22:33 like to make sure that the majority of your diet is healthy you know if you have occasional fuck showed if you were at the less than 30, less than 30 nanograms is the deficiency state. You looked recovery. So people are developing depression, cognitive impairment, intonation, no energy. coronavirus or COVID-19, that it causes this spike in the immune system's production of these

25:24 like tumor necrosis factor alpha. not getting the inflammation. And that is probably what a lot of people are experiencing from poor diet. This is common. Yeah. but they're more fatigued. It's because their nutrition is poor. And that's where Allison or adhd that we find that um high inflammatory uh nutrition makes it worse high inflammatory or you know, for daily use, because the benefit of quercetin is it drops the inflammatory cytokines.

30:06 looking at how the immune system is influenced by things like zinc and certain of testosterone. antibodies. So you've got zinc, 15 to 30 milligrams twice a day, quercetin. 500 milligrams twice a day, Yeah. inofor. It carries charged particles into the cell otherwise zinc sits into the cells, use a quercetin or earlier, is it brings calcium in from your nutrition and takes phosphorus in so it can

34:15 talking up numbers that are 60 to 100. I try to keep my range at 80 to 100 because of studies She gives me all that stuff. Yeah. So for someone who has osteoporosis, let's look to them. Like what levels? level of vitamin D. Yeah, the only thing is with liquid vitamin D. on a protocol, and then three months later, I'll go and test them and see where their levels are at.

37:29 They all need food to optimize the absorption. Wetsuits, right? Well, they wear maybe the top, but their arms and legs below the belly is exposed. I think human beings need a lot of sun. were dying. So the body adapted... Beijing. They did the Olympics there, and they said it was like the worst air quality they ever they shut them all down, air was clear.

39:57 Really? We got zinc. Zinc. 30. So D3. Yes. So we got quercetin. We got zinc. But what you're taking is somewhere around. in functional medicine, they're looking at your amino acids. They're looking at your vitamin I know, but that's what hard water is, right? Colloidal. No. They call it strawberry because of the color. I get it all naturally, yeah.

42:41 When they looked at, you know, cell. And why is that important? DHT is a byproduct of testosterone because it's the combination of so you use that for energy and for growth. You can have just in the 50th percentile of the range well i was taking uh propitia for a while and i didn't realize how Some people don't have a problem with it. Proscar. Okay?

46:26 and giving you mental stability. So once a day, 100 milligrams? Correct. And how much DHEA? DHEA, we start at 25 and we take DHEA Yeah. And that's because interleukin-6, which is an inflammatory cytokine that's produced, That's it, those five. Put those all together and get your C from fruits, you think? You know, they have for cancer therapy 20,000, 50,000 units of vitamin C.

49:13 It's great for stimulating under the skin, fibrinogen and collagen. So do you take that vitamin C? Vitamin C, yes. Got it. The reason why I blanked out on it is because it's in my multivitamin. Okay. Drink a lot of alcohol. You thought that I was going to stab my foot. So, yeah, that I put in a lemon tree. This is... great path. Yeah. Well, I'll walk up until his brilliance and with his brother, Adam, writing

52:53 He was full of energy. So we jumped in. Jerry Shearer, this incredible producer, director, writer, screenwriter, was capable of improving their quality of life. and they didn't want to have that. Yeah. with 500 milligrams of nangelone decoanate with... They wrecked their system. And someone that I had worked with in my inception of treating them, which I was totally against use of anabolic steroids, because if you ate well, exercised, and you should be

56:26 you know, complaints of mood swings and bloating and some ocular kind of problems. But that was No, 92 days. Well, what happens is you're constantly driving the pituitary to make luteinizing hormone, We did every other day. Well, what we believe, what I believe and how I practice So if you've been on injectable testosterone for long periods of time without taking a break or giving your system something to stimulate the production, what will happen is they'll be gone,

59:49 So that's why I haven't used topical testosterone for 10, 15 years, 10, 12 years, Also, DHT can cause them to grow hair behind their knuckles on their hands. Yeah, not good. Yeah. How many articles for your last book did you have to read? the real key, is the real problem. The hormones are shut off by the inflammation. So in the past, And the reason why is that tumor necrosis factor alpha is linked to autoimmune diseases,

1:03:27 We look at their inflammatory parameters. obviously. And in the first month on one group in California, active military, they had a 42% One of them is called Clear Mind and Energy. Well, I have some out there. I'm not protecting any Then the second product is called Brain Care 2 2 which has six components that drop the inflammation Tocopherol is vitamin E.

1:06:43 a stack for this. What you're talking about with this is just but if someone is taking this Okay. So this stuff we're talking about here is really only for people that have traumatic brain injuries. Right. But the one which is called And three days later, his personality came back to being normal. It's all inflammation. Oh, no, go down. They were just given Dilantin or one of the other medications for seizure. And on protocol, I tell everyone, don't stop your medication unless you go to your primary

1:10:17 this is the cytokines? but they're still suffering from fatigue and brain fog, what should they do? And then we treated them on our protocol. I mean, they understand what's happening. So it's like they just kind of make sure you're not going to die and then go ahead. Right. Athletes, operators, you know, industrial services, fighters. It's like the book I gave you from Colonel Michael Lewis, which is-

1:14:16 10,000 units, 20,000 units. And if you're already on it, and he tried to get this into the military, it gets better on growth hormone. Also anti-inflammation. Also a study in 2017 out of Wow. Oh, the diarrhea. 10,001. Carlson's is what I take. Is that what it is? It's not as bioabsorbable, but maybe you can at least. It would have to be equivalent. They'd have to measure it out equivalent, meaning that, you know, the fish oil would be 10,000 IUs is equivalent to 10,000 IUs.

1:18:14 So we've had patients who have improved with being on the product with below the neck, that than say come in and be seen in the clinic so now that's available to people what we're about to convey will no doubt alter somebody's life for the better. So high level, I spent about a decade in special operations, was exposed to a lot of explosive blasts.

1:21:07 explosions i remember watching a documentary film and i'm not i won't give the name of the film but it didn't exist in the public domain like it does now you feel like you were on that path? 100%. 100%. And you hit the But I got to this crossroads. into a disaster. And I did not care what had to be done to make that happen. What kind of psychotropic medication and talk therapy, which in my case did not do anything to identify nor

1:24:54 But the point being was we were able to institute, you know, what he's talking about here, lab test, identify neuroinflammation, identify deficienciesiencies correct those deficiencies My brother was the force behind that. So that's what it's about. The evidence is real. Here's the hope. So we're just excited to bring this information now You're going to find it incredibly inspiring, compelling, educational, you know, all at the same time.

1:29:15 writing a program and a software package, which is an expert AI system for not only TBI, but for also TRT, HRT, wellness, age management, And it's preloaded with all the information. could take six months our training program is about six months long six months yeah why is it Not yet. And it's at the, they have a center for blast trauma there. And all the major decision makers were in this room, which we were at. And I spoke, Mark gave his long presentation, and then kind of the establishment would get up and talk.

1:33:19 Mark gave a beautiful presentation. different people have different experiences, when you're talking about real physical reactions that you could track It's because this thesis was contrary to to theirs which means money would go to Yeah, this is at Imperial College. So like $16,000 a year, I think, is what the Congressional Budget Office said. But, you know, it's uphill, and it's also because I opened my mouth and said I don't really believe in PTSD.

1:37:31 Non-physical. of horrible things that have happened to them. That's what people consider when they think about Yeah. Okay, more resilient my stressors or to stress on our body. Yes. You know, all the replacement hormones. You have all those memories of how badly your course was with 13 medications and so forth, your son being. terminology. And other people who have the appearance of PTSD, because I think traumatic

1:41:05 auto accident or being clumped on the head put them onto the protocol they're better so what Microglia in the brain, they're responsible for releasing the So there's a whole system in place. Yeah, 47,000. How many of these people do you think are dealing with inflammation? He came out. They have a listing of all. They had nude mice. And thymusin is also a peptide that people use for recovery from injuries, right?

1:44:26 And they're trying to get rid of it. You did? Inclusive of that is beta-HCG. non-controlled area they changed those rules so now all peptides are under control fda control It's on the knee and pain. one tenth of a cc twice a day. Some people think that you could do it. like injuries over your whole body. Abuse. They invented English, and you're like, no, you're doing it wrong.

1:48:39 Oh, yeah. No improvement. But it was good, right? But that's fine. perception. Yes, exactly. Here we have hard, objective, reproducible clinical data. There are certain medications we've learned. Yeah. So the Surgeon General loved it. When his name is Colonel Tim Hodgins. Alistair Reed. We're doing it in Birmingham. to agree that we shouldn't do this.

1:52:50 high occurrence of what's called crib death, where they die, because they didn't understand hospital in Austria. And what Okay, like Admiral Small, Admiral Small from the British Admiralty. Go look it up. Now it wasn't God's will. Are you? And they were interested in it, but they didn't understand it because they asked me, You know, I look at psychopathoneurology research,

1:57:02 You can include the ones you like that suit your needs and ignore the ones that throw monkey wrenches in there. risk, the real issue was the group that had the increased occurrence of death were people get rid of the extra fluid. disease. Oh, for heart disease. Because a lot of those guys suffer from heart attacks, right? Correct. Many people missed the article where Arnold Schwarzenegger had cardiomyopathy enlargement

1:59:36 It was originally developed in Colombia. They take a slice out of your heart? IHSS or IHHD. No, for me. It doesn't get lower. Oh, boy. Yeah. Correct. time period. And they went back and I have it, I wrote an article on it as well. But what they Escalating conflict in relationships, financial issues, legal problems, lack of access to better mental health, need to take away their access to lethal means, things like that.

2:03:59 committing suicide at a rate that's the highest in the military and 30% higher than everybody else? What are you going to do about it? And that's what our work has been focusing around, is showing, 2005. It was 30,000, roughly 30,000, 2005 a year. Now we're over 45,000 a year. significantly to the negative state you're in, you know, and then you find out, okay,

2:07:01 And so, again, like, that's – and Mark can validate it better than I can. Huge, huge, but much bigger than anything psychological permission physician assistant school, past? They're now starting to ask about trauma because the NFL did a study five years ago where they He has Parkinson's. You don't think those things are connected? She's animated. And so if someone has cerebral palsy, they put them on what medication?

2:10:29 a five-year-old kid when his mom brought him into the office. Six months later, he's back at USC Yeah, San Francisco. occasionally. I don't see it being the key or a key, but I do believe that the combination of benefit, it's not sustainable, right? So this is step one, and those other ones will magnify the, It didn't hold. continuing the path that they're on now because they've got a financial interest in that. And

2:13:57 Because of you, we're in about 34 countries, our knowledge about what we're doing. Yeah. And by prescription only and is compounded there. Illegal in Brazil. I don't know about steroids there And request it We're not waiting on the government or any governments. and there's information about our TriPAC, and that's what we're doing right now, we're going to prove that we have a significantly better solution.

2:16:40 It's very admirable the way you do it, the way you handle things. Oh, yeah. so I can submit it. I've sent him a copy of the book. I don't know. Okay. Or it is. We have an international group that's growing. How many trained docs in the United States do you have currently? That's how many I've trained. I understand. understanding of something changes everything.

2:20:20 exactly what you're saying from the mountaintops. I understand. It's us. and he's the one who's putting all this together? would understand the thought process that I was forced says, no, frontal lobe, you're going to take the coffee, put it into the cup, put the sugar in All I'm doing is, what is it? underlying autoimmune syndrome disappear but the depression associated with it disappears

2:23:53 We don't know which one we'll do first, yeah well we got linked up with a couple of the organizations in Texas they did who was homeless himself, a veteran who was homeless, They're not addressing, as you stated, their underlying biochemical inflammation or the biochemical condition. And this is what happens in a lot of these uh homeless encampments that they put together except in california and san francisco

2:26:25 unless they're trying to kill it. Yeah. Succeeding. the road? There are people talking about it incorporating into our DNA, reverse transcriptase, immune system, go after it. And in the process of the immune system, Do you think these side effects might coincide with all of the various factors you were talking about earlier have elected to go and get the COVID vaccine when it's available, they're already on the

2:29:57 The stack. And also reduction of the processed foods in the diet. in the trials though um the bill gates was talking about it that there was, on the second, was it Moderna? The more of the side effects afterwards. One of the thoughts about why people are getting with the first injection of the new Corona-19 virus, Is this just part of the issue Six months.

2:33:11 It's in a family of these coronaviruses. We look at it in a different light. So it would mean going in, it's a $35 test, I believe, to get your finger prick and find Andrew, you were telling me that you did jiu-jitsu with a guy who tested positive. a lot of our people are the same way they're like we never got sick we're around people with covid It's up there.

2:36:02 How bad did your friend get sick? The guy you're training with. Okay. Move it forward to about two minutes. which are the codes. hemoglobin. It can do cellular metabolism. All of those enzymes in glycolysis, in the citric acid of the viral RNA and replicate it. So this RNA-dependent RNA polymerase In fact, the way that they tested this in the paper is with an ionophore, which allows the zinc

2:40:04 We've got zinc that's going to block it, but how are we chloroquine is a zinc ionophore. This paper was published back in 2014, and the point of this And this chloroquine is a medication that has been around for decades that is used to treat if you're able to get some zinc into the cells, zinc concentration goes up. I think we get it. a positive reaction.

2:44:12 Zinker. just showed you is some will get in but if if you wanted, that was the far left bar, you know, like this. supplement just taking a zinc supplement on its own is not really beneficial no you'll get a very and yes, zinc. Without an inofor, what happens is you get a meager amount of absorption. And if you, what is it, Brain Care 2 has EGCG in it.

2:47:16 just so many different things. And Right before we got shut down. We're going there. It's my honor. operations. We want to move into the homeless arena and incarcerated Now we're ready to go to the next and the next. Again, I'm honored.