Joe Rogan Experience #1590 — Phil Demers Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day animal training gets sued for 1.5 and i tweeted to you saying dude they're calling me the kanye think it's it's beyond fucked up watching your documentary made me cry man made me really cry He's a fucking warrior. to keep him alive of the things that I was taking could prove useful in the future.

2:43 You've always been the biggest support. And the fact that you answer all my calls, you're one of the last. And I just know I came to the right place, Joe. You've always been the biggest support. And that doesn't exist without you and I having had done this. It doesn't exist without you and I having spoken. laws coming in Canada. in Ontario, in Canada that are awful that they

4:23 with having done all this stuff. a lot of places won't talk to me I mean, there's a chance that they're more i mean if we're going back eight years this is literally the beginning of the podcast when it coming on forever and now you're rocking so gray now you're rocking glasses like this it's it's And then years went by and it occurred to me, I'm going to have to go again.

7:06 You have the most influential podcast in the world. I never stepped foot on the property. attitude and everything about it's just and now the fact that he's gone but yet the lawsuit rages in captivity there's no good side to be running a place like marine land there's no there's no they still don't know what the fuck they're saying. being around them and hearing the sounds a lot? Joe, Marine Land was my home. I was 12 years there.

11:06 I mean, this is where things get really freaking weird. but in doing so, you saw the footage of the baby walrus. i'm very different i'm a different person than what i was eight years ago joe when i was coming Okay, Joe, I got stories to tell about what's going on. this is where this is where the tide changes for me with captivity because i am now witness to the

13:10 their voice, everything tattoos on that animal's She was being a problem. I became her mom. She would only eat from me. would have been allotted to a person like me Well, these days they leave with fuck Marineland stickers they kind of love getting that call but i don't think I came back out. But Marine Land in every which way They're, um, they're grandfathered in Marine land.

16:05 permitted. you know, So somehow they always had the same. Marine land doesn't announce and have no You know, so this was happening. because it's concerned that Marine lens lawyers knows what's happened to Just move smooshy to an appropriate facility. almost happened. They were to build a brand new facility all we can show the judge. 17-year-old walrus is A.

19:16 to have her transferred out on my birthday. an anonymous tweet from someone saying, This girl says to me, I think like they were treating Smoochie like she's pregnant. Now, I worked there 12 years, and at the time, we had like a lot of walruses. quite celebrated when it happens in and it had happened over some time and I tweeted, I have something to the effect,

21:11 since over a year ago. advertising is not allowed and whatnot so when i read marine land's press release of what they been an iota of an update. And this is a, this was a national article They're blocking everybody. certainty that she's alive but i should mention that i have been told by a lot of people that she they had gone over the details of the German

23:43 happened. to do something while you were an employee, absolutely true. can show the courts, people are afraid to talk because Phil will send a, it's Absolutely. Do they still have crowds? He owes, he has debt to nobody and has a lot of money. The he invested it solely in the park he owes he has debt to nobody Johnny lived under in really difficult, uh, situation, you know, and I can say this because

26:41 Well, you know, I got to be careful what I say. Joe, I really appreciate you watching the film. Before going back, which comes to law tomorrow. And then I got to quarantine for two weeks, But again, back to the filmmaker, even today is, didn't hang in social circles and whatnot, you know. They get what? Phil fatigue. I'm Two words. my life i don't remember 2020 you have been involved in this for almost half of your life

30:28 travel the states in this covid crazy world to go get my fucking weapon and i am here to get it joe especially a first time mother. keep that from happening to her in whichever facility that she went to. They're perfectly suitable outdoor facilities. But Marine smooshy right now lives in a fucking bathtub. You saw the back, you know, there's some footage backstage of it.

32:13 I want her outdoors somewhere. Again, I have to go back to the documentary where I speak of Zeus, the walrus, and I attribute just how much I've been, I've been trying to raise attention over what's happening to this animal. You only have to see the footage to know it. work with dolphins and stuff were thrown out too much on behalf of the animals i had been deemed a problem employee so I think that the writing for me was on the wall before I left.

34:29 like this lawsuit revenge but what but what is specifically do they want like what are they And what they'll do is they deal with property, can we can figure out anything to throw these things out right but the courts don't remedy lot of money. COVID really did set things backwards for us. money right back to kicking their ass i love it I love when they pay to destroy themselves, but after we got through

36:58 we're ready. Despite the fact that we've already done discoveries and it is done. They were done. I would have heard from my lawyer if that was the case. It's a judgment that where it, judgment where it doesn't require any evidence. You're speaking with your lawyer, you mean? looks like down the road. as if it's a different thing. thinking that that could be the case.

39:21 You know, unscrupulous divorce lawyers will like go, hey, Phil, I don't think you want to settle with her. You think you're going to be friends five years from now when he doesn't want to pay So this guy's doing that. like if they lose like that's not good because then you go hey i fucking won the walrus is out If I gave you a magic wand and I said, do whatever you'd like with Marine Land, what would you do?

41:29 the actual ocean, in the wild, where you establish some sort of an intermediary step between having and they don't love that i may be a little bit of a voice in that corner and it's something they a sanctuary. from marine mammal captivity. So, so the, the whale gestation periods are of belugas. vision is now moot. at the end of it. Anyways, bottom line is it didn't, we didn't come to an agreement.

44:51 Let's find our happy medium. serving up these beautiful mistakes my way that i just capitalize on and bring a lot of attention There's a number of things. in any other country, need friend gave us this beer yes that is some wacky ass beer that needs a fucking wine opener because you're gonna fucking cry i do hope though there is uh there's a big part of me that hopes

47:13 Who's the girl? I'd rather be Carole Baskin than him. Yeah, I don't think you want to be Carole Baskin No I don't want to be but they got it way wrong with Tiger King I'd rather be Carole Baskin than him There it goes, okay, napkins please there's always these flashes of beautiful lights and whatnot. zoom yeah no we did a karaoke song yeah yeah we did it zoom but this is something we're gonna

48:52 And the energy he brings, I mean, look at this. i knew he was the right guy to recruit because i knew he'd go for it man i just remember his and so whereas a lot of people ask me exactly that they call me egotistical they say i want to You'll get Phil fatigue because it's got to be boring to listen to the shit that I say. So now you're using, you're talking in third person.

51:12 Wow, this beer is crazy. It's sweet, eh? Yeah, it's crazy. It kind of tastes almost like a wine taste to it. Like, what is that? It's sweet, eh? That's why you can't read it. What are we calling this beer for? Well, then maybe I'll start wearing them before you. And the animal rights people, if you will, will celebrate the work. that i do know what it is that i want to do in terms of the context of a of a podcast and i've

53:27 And I want to hear from all walks of life. inclined of just being known as a guy who's And then when years ago we were talking about how you and I ate at Antler, the vegan sides are great they don't they kill not nearly as many animals as all the places that the vegans are now taking i call them selfie burgers they're all in front of I get it. Do you know, like, how many animals live of old, live and die of old age in the wild?

55:46 I mean, maybe like one in a million. You know, like, this is just the way the world works. It's pretty awful. I'm just saying there's ways. I'm just trying to think outside the box, right? come up with a name. not a spokesperson for factory farming i'm just not of course i'm with you i'm the same way of course i want to get just what that does just look i eat vegetables i eat fruits like what what is what horrors are involved in the processing of millions and millions of pounds of avocados what are the

59:12 And I think that's logic. I mean, I get it. brains are not tuned in for that like the way an animal is if something's staring at them something whether or not they control it it's just don't require that much i mean if as long as you're not burning their eyes out with chemicals It's almost impossible. You might see some fucking zebras. You know, what's the right thing?

1:02:29 In fact, the last time we were here, And I'm getting a lot of grief for it because it's COVID times. don't visit your family. There's so many of them. Yeah. You can hear the waves. Airports are empty. Anyways, if you get a chance most appreciative. going to ban Don't. about me which Marine Land said he was brains out but I can't so the guy's it in a very similar way to the way we look at slavery or you know like imagine if aliens came

1:06:28 This studio? Yeah, my plan is to have as many high-level people pentagon comes out and talks about things and they they've released these videos and there's it is impossible that that thing was in less than a second so in the blip of a radar it went from 60 000 feet to one there's so many we don't attack chimps you know I don't I don't think it's necessarily something

1:09:17 And some people are manipulating that, and some people are distorting the truth, and some people are trying to push their own agenda. But I think ultimately this is like a period of time that we're going to pass through And I don't think that's something that a lot of people want to accept. into formulating their words And I looked at it and said, fuck, that's a nice signature.

1:11:10 All these things, I think we're just having these battles that we're sorting out. way in every which but our biology is hampering the process see technology is moving so much faster If you got a guy from 10,000 years ago and you dressed But that person lived in a time where no one knew jack shit. We have the same tissue as those people. that you're in front of a fireplace with candy canes.

1:13:08 I mean, that... I try to be nice. to recognize my own failings to to recognize my my shortcomings Exactly. listen, this is one of the big and he presented something differently we're we're of people's hopes and desires. know and are friends with the likes of joe rogan I say, I think the thing that Joe appreciates of me is that I'm not any of those things that you just said.

1:16:41 of humanity from a level that, you know, Well, I mean, I see the celebrities and shit. I think that that's the thing that people really appreciate about you the most And here I am. I guess the same could be said about me just wanting to speak out against Marineland. Try to be me in the room with him. You're like, oh, shit. beyond his humility at this point is that you know mike tyson is is Mike Tyson. When we look at him, we see Mike Tyson,

1:19:37 in my fucking mind, man. like, but yeah, in the strangest way, I feel like, uh, in order for me to, to dig, to get that level It's called Cortez the Killer. that I come get my energy from, I guess it's, and it, in the same, in speaking of where it is that you asked that I come I mean, I admit it in the podcast. Like arthritis. Well, you have to be obsessed to be willing to go through the battle that you've gone through for so long.

1:21:31 And he's getting recognized for that. man. get that in order to to be able to be a person like you to put this battle up for so long i mean Like you're not like, no, I mean, yeah, yeah. fighting. Your body's probably like this dude is so stressed out. He's going to go to war any second It's crazy. That's right. You won Wipeout? So there was a time.

1:24:17 Thank you, Wipeout Canada, 2011. But in any event, all the people that had met me during that time, they were just like, Did someone die on Wipeout recently? I heard. I did won i got my check and then someone died on wipeout because they used to do it at the same ranch of Wipeout in North America? He was one of the spokespersons on the show. clarita or some shit like that sable ranch yeah that's where santa clarita that's where we used

1:26:33 You'd forget about it. So it wasn't while... I must have gone back and seen it because it's fucking cold man i ran that uh final the final run at midnight and i was the last guy to run so i just remember that was a long fucking day it was like midnight and i'm in a booth and I came back for six episodes of Fear Factor in 2011. time to end the show maybe. Well,

1:28:53 I won that and then I skipped automatically to the finals, You're on Valium? I remember right here And then that's it I woke up one morning Hung over a shit And I see a fucking I was watching Seinfeld And then a commercial me being able to be on the show i applied i woke up one know it i fucking hurt my back i couldn't walk for weeks after this oh my god and then right about

1:30:15 Untouched in all of White Book Canada, he did it. I brush off the fucking sweat. dug deep and that's what everyone said to me they said you never struck us as the athlete where the didn't want i mean 50 000 or nothing i'll take 10 they do that in pool tournaments yeah i imagine and Marine Line started suing me and everyone around me, Yeah. says the word walrus, it doesn't sound like that.

1:32:36 point to the walrus dick on your, on your table In accordance to the laws that were passed in Canada, I could not ship you that. It's here because he's a nice guy. it as a walrus dick. I'll tell you a story. A lot of them, huh? It has happened in captivity. I'm glad human beings don't have bones for dicks, Yeah, he's got the top of his name. again something happened i think humans call boners boners because they sound less gross than

1:35:13 on the podcast who was a founder of vox and uh i don't think he made a particularly compelling But that seems to be the argument. As much as I pick on Justin Trudeau of being too handsome to run a country, They're making money. You think about it, you're in a place you just shouldn't be But incarcerating someone for smoking or... I mean, maybe protecting society from someone like that

1:38:00 My daughter's 10. Yeah, I would show my kids that. People should see it. You know, see a little two-year-old that's in your arms and they're freaking out. In the wild, oryxes are virtually extinct. more than sustainable population in fact that population has to be managed so unless you want for the animals than you trying to abolish things like i get it i mean that doesn't it's not

1:40:33 in that they're so complicated and messy. i mean like the people they you would think that given the fallout of of how this went you'd think your body right i mean i i especially in in rape cases or in cases of a young girl who makes a mistake or even a woman Like when it's six months old, it's a very human problem the difficulty i think is when we when humans go to manage things that

1:42:46 And there are biases, right? If you have this idea that you want to maintain hunting, for example, lions, rifle. My God, I get it. have a level of dominion. We have to have a level of judgment of, of bias of everything. It's like Well, the best example of humans, because they'd be running around There's balance in that because we're the easiest to kill.

1:45:10 where they go fucking crazy i've watched cats i've seen i've seen the aftermath of a cat attacking uh, Like, And I'm at almost 200 pounds. Dude, and you hear his screech? Yeah, I had a cat that my friend Lainey, she and her boyfriend had rescued a bunch of kittens that were underneath this house. Everyone wants a cat at home to bring the ladies to.

1:47:06 And so this is what was crazy about it. And then I realized that what I had to do was get this thing. It was he. purring because he knew I would never I was I'd never been cruel to him I'd always protected him I didn't have any friends. for the witness right especially if you're the one doing it it was the perfect time for me to do i put the water in the room and i put a stack of books on a mattress and i just hung out with this

1:49:36 I have a golden retriever. he would go from you to me to Jamie, to you to me to Jamie. He's a super, super chill, happy dog. and it gave us security. or these ones that were breeding off-site. It wasn't the first time. off and instructed the supervisor to bury him. I'd like to unleash. I can't. I have to sit on my golden's not going to hurt a deer. I won't go over the details of how it went down and whatnot because no one wants

1:53:10 And I was hurt by it. wasn't just, uh, it wasn't a mere enemy that I, that I just saw and wanted to, no, no, this, then when I left, I was, I was also at 34 years old when I quit. I was of a child like mindset. You're a grown man. Everybody's different at 22. Holler, John Holler. he's this this monster can i tell you that what you just said about him being of an infant

1:56:09 He escaped war. and we stopped at a bar. you imagine? Some people are... I've never seen my dad drunk ever. in the documentary. And I was there with a lawyer who was helping me work with Bill S-203. big, you know, big old pot smoker. yeah i didn't know if i could mention it to you i'm like he's he's like i was gonna invite you to Almost like, almost like, shit, I can't believe I don't even know his fucking name.

1:59:54 take this opportunity to give a shout out to prohibition farms uh enter code name phil at you know people become musicians comics uh actors and then they become known i am a whistleblower i It was, it was about the film and, uh, they'd asked me to bring some, some things I brought, Thank you, Joe. Yeah, it's still caked in fish sauce. And I would have been blowing it for a dolphin to come back and get your fish.

2:02:24 And I'm guilty of that despite the fact that my dreams are different than most i mean it is what it is i still have a leg in A lot of people had to tap out. It's not small. I just show up. the the deep profound moments that i've had with people anyone who has watched the show knows when I don't remember what year it was. And I expected it to be like a few people.

2:05:38 i've said that someone else can misconstrued i can be in a lot of trouble you're a very famous threat you're you become a target because all these people are paying attention why are you in the way that it's going you know a guy like me i don't have the chance like i that much of have that, I don't. So new all-time highs, Jamie just went like this.

2:08:14 No. No, Pomp is the guy that I listen to in the ability that I can, on a thing called BlockFi. And he's done it from, from day one. he wasn't rich. You know, but the circumstances of, and advance the adoption. I mean, there was a while during the last bull run where there was a fund that was funding a bunch of good things and even a tenth of a percent then fucking i'll take it it's interesting where it's going

2:11:09 I mean, I see a time, like I work for Canada post. the fuck happened would you imagine something? And then all of that comes. Well, it is kind of... Is that right? Yeah. She thinks it's still out there. No, but that's not the interview. amongst comedians in particular in New Zealand she rescues wild orca specialist in New tail, Yeah. They're the ones that you're familiar with in

2:15:07 So there's reason for optimism. It really is. I wanted to know if you believe there are any undiscovered large ape species I mean, just incredible. But there's no bigfoot. I'm out of the loop. from China, from all over the place. they don't match up what this my little tiny snippet says that don't match up with dna cells Yeah but that's The impossible

2:18:30 which is a tiny little person, Can you imagine what it is that we haven't discovered yet? that we're still finding things. And they had found pieces of bone that indicate it was bipedal. So I think that's where a lot of this Bigfoot shit comes from. How long ago was language invented? a decade you can sneeze away very quickly. Don't tell anybody. Dude, you don't even know. Come on, we're anyone in Austin knows where I can grab them. Oh, I know. Shh.

2:21:11 It's essentially decriminalized here. and the craziness of what is raccoons are known cunts a bunch of garbage stealing little assholes I've seen it. Get your dogs. I have a feeling it's related to, and instead focusing on things that you can exert all of your angst and energy on activists is make sure your home is right because we need proper criminals we need someone who has

2:23:55 as a proper criminal, I say. I don't want to talk to you. People, what's strange about veganism is if you look They just don't stick with veganism as long as Like I didn't. Is to be shitty to people that don't agree with you. And you're using that as a tool The oldest written one was 5,000 years ago. Proto. is not a theory. This is breaking down on the Wikipedia

2:27:01 and they'll make a sound like eagles there, They're crazy. Oh, shit. but some monkeys have tricked other monkeys. just to be able to take in the history of it all. It had something to do with Homo floriensis and Bigfoot. that indicate it was for sure alive I'm sure they were selling them as dragon bones and he goes, had achieved with his dad, See if you can find the most current photo of

2:30:06 2011, I think. you remember when he did that interview? He used hashtag winning. Play that. I will remain available if you can all agree that all the tiger blood and winning, then I'm honored to offer that. And the first one he did was interviewing him and then the shows cream he was using to try to get his libido up. Scroll up. Let me see what he looked like back then.

2:33:12 study for a medication for a drug It's one shot a week. I immediately wanted to eat a bullet. like you a little bit more it's a little bit a little bit easier to deal with the fact he was like yeah i smoke crack yeah i i eat like i pay hookers to leave like he was he had all this here he is on television talking about that Obama release the truth Well, he got fired

2:36:14 Who did he call? And Gary Busey was, I mean, it was literally like I was the beneficiary of this long rant. Because it is what it is. i go wow all right i just keep moving you're at the mercy of what you created man you uh you Yeah. It's really inconsistent though. It's inconsistent as fuck. It's like what you said to me. phone numbers what the fuck you know people are like people have said to me hey uh i got joe's

2:38:57 Here it is. I show my wife. I was on the plane the other day, All I did was allowed myself to flow. We did it. I'm like, okay, we're on this ride together. this everywhere we're not going to change it in China. They don't understand what we're saying. We don't understand what those sounds are. They became quite protective of him. open and forcing the fish into his mouth like we did that a lot we did that a lot they still do

2:42:23 thing about the documentary is it tells a story and and it's great uh but you know there's a lot that's not in there obviously it's a story really dark things but uh i am very very thankful that the film did get made and that uh it it you and i will see a world where you're 50 you're 50 not a world yeah we'll see north america Because I think it's necessary

2:44:34 They introduce you to these tiger cubs. Then you move into tigers that are like six months, seven months old. And people are taking these selfies with them, and it's fucking creepy, man. again but i did enjoy feeding them i enjoyed washing them you do anything more majestic than they've returned many elephants to the wild where they because elephants are it's really easy to

2:46:55 And the elephants are two separate. It's dark. So they were real, real sweet. on instagram go to the see if you can find the video of me saying i was in thailand with i saw Yeah, that's it. You ride them. the language gap he's an elephant he likes to learn his lessons hard bitch Okay. consciousness it's it's a different kind of consciousness it becomes a question of what

2:50:40 That's the case with almost all charitable organizations. accountability, when there's charitable And in darkness, that's the thing where you're able to operate without, uh, you know, without That's what they did. They tied them up with red tape Do you know, Scientology, they exempt status. That's mental. Do you know Scientology, It's just in the fact that even when it's unjust,

2:53:06 Can I do a couple of acknowledgements while I'm here? We got you. So it's S-A-V-E-S-M-O-O-S-H-I.com. GoFundMe. This isn't my first campaign. This one has sustainability that I have to, um, But, uh, you know, you, you, you've got some problems here. because I wasn't there yet. I was, my mind is such that I wasn't able to sit down and do these Was that the MMA guy?

2:56:27 that in every which way that i fucking drink this stuff twice a day just a little bit It's a fulvic mineral supplement of sorts. What I will say is- But it's from dirt? You're eating dirt? I fulvic. What is fulvic? I think it's just fulvic acid. What I will say is... It doesn't have anything to do with volcanic. blood cells it off it puts oxygen to your blood cells.

2:58:04 He's been there for a number of years. He's always tried to help me send me books and stuff And the next night she's messaging me about Black Oxygen. you know, they recognize that my activism is If you want to follow me, uh, I have a Twitter, but also to keep in, So they'll announce them. Those are the things you can do. So I'd like to send my love of again to her.

3:01:21 hair what does she look like i have to like a lady with a short dark hair oh the lady in the documentary with the short dark hair what does she look like i have to like a lady with I won't mention his name. She's there every year. But, uh, you know, these are the, these are the shoulders of the giants that I stand on. But just the opportunity that I can express my...

3:02:54 them water and they, they take pictures and they I mean, I sacrifice, but there are people that I wasn't there. I'm, I'm honored to do so. I can't thank you enough, my brother. is the easiest it's not hard for me to do what i do it's not hard for me to have you on and talk Let's wrap this bitch up before I cry. Instagram and Twitter. Do you have a Facebook as well?

3:05:32 I just need a lot of people.