Joe Rogan Experience #1591 — Jordan Burroughs Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience into doing MMA Yeah, bro. listen, you're doing well in the sport. Stay here. That's what I think about all the time. choked out, tapped. why can't they do that? it just didn't catch on for some reason but yet golf is on tv for sure baseball and all these All you need is an iPhone, cell phone, period. just for whatever reason everybody's like that guy looks like he's having this man a truck get

3:50 That's the beauty of it is it gives people an opportunity. Oklahoma State, Ohio State. So it's Rulon Gardner. who was a NCAA champ He's a former Corn husker so we went to The rules are evolving all the time in wrestling. If he's grounded, it's no points. in the heat of the moment sometimes i imagine you've seen it a lot in MMA, whether that's that's a part there's a problem with jujitsu and one of the things they did with

8:19 And see, this is combat jujitsu. Like, would that really make you release your lock to have your arm potentially broken is getting slapped in the face? i just let him take my neck or i let him take my arm right but wagner stopped guys he's got like That's us slapping each other. early ones was called pancreas it was in japan and boss rootin was the master at pancreas and

11:01 palm strikes. Is this a Bas Rutten highlight? Yeah. Because it's got like a professional wrestling vibe. was always a question about pancreas because some of them like when boss rootin's k-oing people well Love combat. saying hey listen we're going to host the olympics this summer no matter what one of the interesting cafeteria in the olympic village they've got foods from all different parts of the country.

14:25 you can go down the street. Let me go ahead, grab me a little quick, Like, you know, like everyone going to the Olympics isn't expecting to win a medal. that's everything's free that's good so it's it's uh it's an interesting perspective being the I'm like, hey, I want my wife to come into the Olympic Village, check out out our living space check out the free mcdonald's then i have to put her on the list seven days in advance and it has to be approved by the usopc

16:45 bags checked and make sure that you're good to go. You don't have anything lethal in your bags. won the gold in 2012, my first meal you back to what they have like a media house. You tell them about your experience, where you're from, who you are, what you're going to do with all this money and fame that you've just won. And then so One of my sponsors at the time had like bottle service.

18:51 damn, I've been this long day. I wrestled all day long. I do not want to stand in line. I just want And so I had my medal in my pocket. this mcdonald's he's like this guy just won olympic gold medal let him to the front of the line let event so you have to be your best on that like keep my brand awareness or in your bracket at Worlds. And I think that the Olympic Games has become so special because of everything surrounding it.

21:50 Right. They don't put the former before. So it's interesting. Competition starts two hours after weigh-ins. 174 kilos or 163. Well, I can't even get to. Oh, OK. Because I'm going up a weight class. What would that be? That is 189, which I can't even get to. He's the world champ at 189. Every single cycle, you've got golf And a single athlete or a single representative from each country per weight class.

24:48 It's pretty dope, bro. There he is. tata looks like he's from jersey shout Shout out to B-Boy Tata. I have some friends that started out in breakdancing and then got into jujitsu. very similar to rhythm gymnastics just a lot more there's some goofy shit in the olympics man I look at MMA as an alternative to wrestling, right? I've been alongside Henry Cejudo

27:42 going to be a great fighter and just because you're usually you lead right leg yeah but in fighting right if you're righty you're going to lead left I can't even remember now. hand was his most dominant hand which was his front hand what he jabs around it's a lot of work and yes you have the pedigree you've got the chops to go on and you know kind of excel here but it

30:42 done i don't think so i think i think he's so is a person who's a specialist in the thing you're not good at. Of course. your life, maybe eight, nine, 10, you start to dabble in a little bit. And I think wrestling, can compare with that. And I don't really follow a ton, so I don't really know the dynamics of figure out choke holds and arm bars There's a thing that

34:46 And when they transition to MMA, you see it immediately. compete two hours later later how do you do is like this it's flat all day it stays the same it's But some guys have tried it in MMA. That's number one. So any sort of, let's say, juice, bread, potato chips, cereal. I'm a granola guy. You ever had an oops all berries? I don't know. And so we only do our shopping at Whole Foods now.

38:46 JV's going with the honey nut Cheerios. let's say 7 a.m. choose how you train and what you do it depends now yes a little bit more so than i had in the in conjunction with the college program. Like if I'm trying to stay light and I'm getting close like week of, I'll skip lunch period. You're finished. It really just depends on how the brackets shake out. So you're shrinking your body no matter what?

42:16 i do it with moderation because my weight cut is not really hard because i don't do you know 15 20 And then the same thing for your next match. And then I'm wrestling about six, seven pounds over. But that's got to beat you up to do that two days in a row. and then weigh in again the next morning. Then what do you do? So maybe I'll have breakfast, and then around noon, 1 o'clock, I'll come and get a light drill in.

45:31 feel like i'd be weighed down well i mean i feel like there's guys that are getting away from that He's going to make weight on Saturday morning before the fight, and he's going to make weight again on Sunday before the fight because you've got to rehydrate. Their coaches carry them, sit them on the scale, make weight, and then all of a sudden they just lay them out.

47:08 they're doing hydration tests I'm not exactly sure how they do it I don't like That's a 20 pound, So the only weight class I can make is 163. But what they're doing is they're just telling guys, like, I know you really want to fight at 170. resources so or he is has science and they're going to make sure he's on point you're just take steroids. I know, but there's certain ways.

50:23 The tough thing for us is we have eating disorders. You look at him on a beach with his family in the summertime, into because we've been able to make it but just because you're making it doesn't mean it's healthy I wrestle at 163. When they cut the cameras off so i'll tell you later when they cut the cameras off i'll tell you how much training have you done like with striking never never never never even been in

52:54 Well, that would be easy to set up. It doesn't have any THC in it. make sure you guys are drinking Kill Cliff. This looks good. Were you in their inception? It's all sugar free. I was on the Junior World team. profile but i knew i could beat him so you know it wasn't really like a risky matchup for me a chance i was like no i'm not the i'm not the guy listen if you want to build your confidence

56:47 And the best part about it is you got to see a guy who is elite at wrestling and really not elite at anything else. If you get your head Those guys were killing people, but he just got a hold of them. True. they gave him such elite a competition that he never really had a chance I know. He has multiple wrestling clubs back up in Wisconsin. Of course.

1:00:02 I almost cost this man a lot of money just made of i've never fought i know i'm tough i'm gritty i'm mentally tough i can do this um but I have you calling my fight. this is what i wanted or am i like what am i doing here right you know i mean like you got Actual, real, elite wrestling, post-college, post-Olympics, and to let people know there's still people competing.

1:02:32 I'm like, bro, I have one of the biggest matches of the year coming up. And now you guys are, you know, one of the biggest sports in the world. Because they're one and two seed. redheaded stepchild to boxing It's literally the most popular thing that Eddie's come up with because he's come up with these EBI world at their craft if there's not a knockout and there's a draw unanimous decision after 12 rounds you're gonna be like that sucked i want to see someone get knocked out but the chances are

1:05:46 like you can go to a gym as a 40 year old man that hasn't competed in 20 years put on your gi That's what I want to do. I want to be somewhere warm where there's no salt on my car. I've got some invitations from jiu-jitsu guys And I'm just always wrestling. I really like to help fighters because I feel like although I don't strike and like it'll be cool to kind of rough them up a little bit there so 2021 is japan that's that's

1:08:51 to be very fascinating it's going to be interesting to see if they have any kind of a they used they Where else can so many countries come together despite the political turmoil and whatever may be happening within your own country? And it was just like a super special photo because our governments hate each other. Epic. just so we can see if they can get knocked off in iran they always want the hero to win everybody

1:11:39 and you know what's even crazier joe is is because of their strict Islamic religion, they don't allow women into the arenas. your career that's probably one of the most uh educational parts of it is this travel aspect 53. Thank you. yeah what they do um or a lot of it is is is nature and so i didn't get my passport until i And like so whenever people are like, man, like how do you maintain this certain level of sustainability and excellence over a long time?

1:14:32 Olympic trials. Like I'm going to see if I can do this. And so my kids have kind of had the direct I'm sending them to their training facility kind of back off back off like you know what if he's gonna love it he's gotta love it on his own and I'm like, imagine growing up with Joe Frazier as your dad and you got to become I did. about what you were the best in the world at.

1:16:45 But if there's something that you are particularly great at, you have to give that knowledge and that information to the world. the pressure and then i'm feeling pressure it, oh, your son's wrestling now? But also you have to prepare for normalcy. but also accompany that with expectations? They've all come from struggle You got to give them structure. But how do you do that?

1:19:11 It wasn't, it wasn't hard, right? I didn't grow up on a farm. I grew up in a middle-class family But now I want to, I kind of want to chill a little bit too right i'm like right i've done well like i want to send sport it's not like something that takes a ton of equipment it's not like something that it's not It's easy for them to see what I do because it's tangible, right?

1:21:33 but there's no physical grueling activity that's associated with it. with how they need to live moving forward? You eat an only steak. It's not part of your job. They got into a little bit of kickboxing. You could just sit back and just count your money and just eat food all day. So like what's the difference between what you do and what i do like i go to practice and get coached

1:24:26 We're sharpening them, helping them develop. If your brand, you know, kind of fits their spectrum of what they're trying to create. when he was an Olympian back in 04 and 08, he was getting $12,000 a year, $12,000 a year, And he's become amazing at this and he always had this character and personality but you just were such an unusual human being because not only does he have two

1:27:18 But I'm like, bro, like, I would like to call you. So I call him. Yes. way elevate your ratings they buy my wrestling shoes and watch my wrestling matches so it's just The problem is when I'm with my family. and this guy came over, and he was trying to get a picture. We're all sitting here eating. Yeah. what you're even they're usually pretty good's just, sometimes people just don't understand privacy.

1:30:20 The tangibles of being really good at what you do. One day I'm going to pin you, man. have a bite of food in your mouth and someone hey man can i get a picture and you're like come on Yeah, it's not good for how people look at you. I like to be friendly to everybody. you're like oh yeah i saw a guy at chipotle it was good yeah there's a responsibility and i'm sure

1:32:46 Because I'm sure people are listening like, No, man. you start winning championships, easy to become complacent. How do you maintain a certain level But I really have now my wife's gonna kill me for saying this but we're thinking we're considering a fourth right so we're in that position now where we're like do we attempt to at a high level? And so we're trying to figure that out.

1:36:00 perspective how do you manage the things that you have on your plate in regards I love it. Not everybody can do it. always finding a thing that's challenging always a thing that you really enjoy doing a thing that and he has this great quote that i that i remember i on point and to be at your level to be at a world championship level there can be no holes in your

1:39:15 Because, you know, one of the things for me that for a long time made me nervous about the transition out of sport. proposition that we are experiencing where I've wrestled since I was six. My first weight class, be successful at it. But the question is, do I really love it? So you're trying to find what you And so I think now for a long time, I've been afraid to think of other things because people

1:42:11 So I see athletes and I also see the ones who've done it for a long time. But not only that, You have to dabble simultaneously because you can't just wait until it's over. I'm fine for five years, right? is right it's like okay it's kind of like a meathead guy from the midwest that grew up on a but it's almost been a responsibility you've got all these guys that wrestled at Iowa, wrestled at, you know, some of the best universities

1:45:29 That's a good question. in capturing all areas of controversy regularly, but they eventually start to lose whatever zest it was that they had for can create men and women of character and integrity, then essentially they'll become champions naturally They did well in school. They're probably not going to understand what it takes to be a person like yourself,

1:48:39 the the focus and the intelligence and all these other aspects of what makes you you. But those things you could teach to people. I appreciate that. I've been taught for so long because I'm an athlete. For one summer, two months, I worked at a beer distribution factory back in buy a bunch of clothes and we go to the movies and we'd hang out and I would spend all 500 dollars

1:50:59 them firsthand how can you use all of the knowledge that you've gained on your journey to actually like oh giving unsolicited advice where i'm like i'm the guy that i i have a hard time with telling that's if you you know like if someone doesn't have the desire if someone Those things are inspirational to people. You will choose discipline. I read a book by Dr. Meg Meeker called Raising Ungrateful Kids in an Entitled World.

1:54:45 every day at being a better father that, you know, I don't think people are born good. I think people want to please ourselves. And so there are so many times where I'm like, bro, listen, But it's hard because no one gives you an instruction manual for parenting. That's it. That's the test. watch the third one you're like yeah you can do a backflip go ahead do a backflip listen sometimes

1:57:41 It's like it's so easy to get someone pregnant. So harder marriage or parenthood? Just one of the best things about her. are not lucky that's a blessing bro it's a blessing i have friends that are in a bad marriage your phone or this won't make things better this won't improve our relationship i'm pregnant but i you're, and we don't really want to do it,

2:00:15 And now your life is out of your hands. But the women, we put them in a position where there's so much pressure that they can't say no. i mean really what you want to be is a champion in everything right a champion in life a champion How many podcasts have you done before? And you really do live the life that you're talking about. icarus i have dabbled i'm honestly i don't want to watch it entirely because I would be so angry afterwards.

2:03:22 Just to be upset. and when he should take it that the Russians had cheated. and which have you seen the real ones have you ever no seen one of the real bottles no i haven't was this in rio clean this was in rio in r, weren't a lot of the Russians, they were kicked out of Rio because of Sochi. from oh wait 2012 and they're saying you know what this guy was on a substance he was on you know some sort of

2:07:08 i have for russia i respect them because they're tremendous wrestlers not everyone cheats not That they can still compete in. So they've been banned from the Olympic Games, and all they get is an instagram post yeah it's not bro like you didn't get a chance to win it's you can't beat them in wrestling there's so much precision and technical skill that's associated

2:09:59 and they're just technically savvy at a much earlier age because they're bred for this. The U.S US is the only country That is a special moment. But I don't think they would say. if you want to stop someone from doing something, You're cheating. They're following that medal count closely, bro. Of course. They don't have a choice. I mean, Corellon's one of the craziest examples ever.

2:13:46 But he beat me when it counted at the Olympic Games. Yeah, I am. hey you want to compete for the russian team you have to take or you can go be a construction It's just different. Yeah. It's like, no, I'm telling you what happened. They're killing people that are blowing the whistle in Russia. He can't see his family again for the rest of his life.

2:16:58 it's one of those things where it's like skill too though you're doing both no no i'm listen So I'm not going to just put nonsense in it. If I'm playing Madden and I got a cheat code have you ever had a conversation with a russian that spoke english about any of this no i have Do they just have the technical superiority and that's why they've been so successful for a long period of time?

2:19:35 They work hard. good because they're good wrestlers well they're great wrestlers and they're very technical but sponsor here usada they don't care about us like they don't care about the athletes so whoever pays wada there whoever you know is He probably doesn't have to update his whereabouts. I tested yesterday yesterday how what could i have taken between yesterday and today that it would have

2:22:38 Why the fuck do they think that that's okay to interrupt your sleep? minute ride and they only give you an hour window so now you get back and they're gone report all I'm going to be in bed. There's no way I'm going to be out of my house so and so like they're on you so there have been a lot of people that have been suspended just And two, no USADA.

2:25:08 And I left my keys in the bar, lost my keys. are if there is there any way else we can get tested and he was like yeah like if you can just dudes. This guy's behind me. in here um are you in a stall at least in a stall yeah okay in a stall because if you're in front of the urinal everybody be like what are these are you okay do you need help i'm like i'm good i know this guy

2:27:10 I'm really concerned about gene therapy. there's so much money well think about it this way how about this way put it this way think about Oh, nice. wrestling and no one's getting paid and they're just raking in all the cash they got fucking Yoel Romero, they brought him to his doctor. He goes, the tendons in his eye are three times larger than a normal person's.

2:30:15 LeBron James is a giant super athlete. our athletes their country is trying to help them cheat i mean how crazy is that balancing act yeah Tough as nails. Or maybe he's a test. broadened so much so because there's just a small pool of a small gene pools that have kind of interbreeded That's true. I love the fact that it's a country filled with immigrants.

2:34:08 When they finally unleash their army whatever it is, I think it's going to be inevitable for the public He's talking. always improves and then eventually trickles down to everybody else the problem is the advantages the people who are the initial early adopters will have will allow them to accumulate so much wealth to go and take families like they you have some for example right people say the mannings and the

2:36:12 And, like, now given my dad had a tall – my dad's 6'2". They were married, they had me. Um, and then my oldest sister never really played sports at all. Did I – am I great at wrestling because I just had the frame for it or did wrestling for so long help It's your mind. You can't just- Because I was never the biggest. outwork everyone because i was small right i was small so it took me a long time to be the best

2:39:39 I was never the best. He'll be ready who be on when the lights arrive and you lock the cage behind him right tactics to implement in a fight what's the what's the right move to use at the right time tremendous success. They just can't win. But I want him to be great at something. wrestling well I think the best that you could give him is just encourage him to

2:42:38 You want to be who you are, and you have so many inspirational people sit in this chair daily. Because you can't be the king. It is deep. And there's an instinct to disrespect the man to prove that you you're the man so it's tricky that's right it's authority because you've always been at his head for so long you have to allow him to grow up and i have children i know what it's like when you're in the middle of raising kids like there's chaos

2:45:38 Yeah, that's real. you will have a great life if you listen to us your life will be great That's it. I know. That helps you more than anything in life to achieve. And some of them probably should be more successful than they are. when then the guy down the street who has a great relationship with his family and his wife that And so initially when I was courting her, we're like, okay, where are we going to live?

2:49:12 New York comes to live with me in Lincoln, And she'd be like, A lot of times they lose that because now they're at home with the kids, taking care of them while we're out pursuing our aspirations. Like, that's why wherever I go, my family comes with me. effort because i'm whole because i've been able to do what i love and there's no resentment built

2:51:25 It's got to go now. They're dealing with traumatic brain injury. There's no doubt about it. they shouldn't. And there's guys who, they have bad training methods where they slug it out in training that's real common as well But it seems like he's very strategic about what he does now. coach and then he the campus surrounded around him like he's not in a room with 12 15 other guys

2:54:13 like you're not here to film this and become a star on the internet that's true but let me tell I don't know if he told George. so that when they get into the octagon their instincts are already i like that they're already He felt his enthusiasm waning because he was overworked. set up a fight with him and Khabib Nurmagomedov. GSP was the original superstar.

2:56:40 He's constantly training. Bro, look at him. and he's also dedicated to martial arts. George is too big? He's tall, right? And Nate Diaz is not really a 170 either. Yeah. That would be crazy. and he was landing shots on Khabib. feet go numb and that happened to michael chandler in a fight once he got kicked low it happened to um henry sahudo against right michael chandler he couldn't

3:00:27 So he was doing all that with a broken foot. The mind's everything. The task exists. The task exists. Jordan Burrows, we just did three hours. No, you don't watch? So I'm sure you've seen the Bills Mafia t-shirt? Bills Mafia. And they're playing soon. It's difficult, right? It's been an honor. I got you. You could do great things i'm listening i'm coming for your recommendation do it wherever i go i'm