Joe Rogan Experience #1592 — Bryan Fogel Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! and we discussed Icarus. And he told me that he actually had to shut it off how let you And he's convinced that he had to wrestle against people that were cheating, particularly Russians. and uh tokyo it's 2021 now yeah and then 2024 those olympics you can't have a Russian flag. Like you literally can't because of what

2:51 December of 2019 or January. It was not that long ago, about a year ago. And when they turn over the Russia denies it again. So it's like, yeah, they're kind of banned, You don't have to wear the headphones if you don't want to. So Rechenkov has got asylum here in America? this was now a year and a half, two years ago, I need to get with his lawyers to get the exact date,

6:47 And the court then gets kicked out. they'll arrange through the security and then we'll you know find an encrypted way to have a conversation. He's like, you know, you saved my life. and his kids are back in Russia. So, I mean, this has been a crazy cost for blowing the whistle. because if they then travel and they then go and see Gregory, right, so it's complicated.

11:16 with was basically this guy who was living in the Ukraine. He was working for the gas company, right? And he, I can't remember if he, it was an attempted murder or, no, the guy gets killed And this guy that they go and arrest basically goes, yes, I've been hired. few years in Salisbury. That was another case where, you know, the guy had... That was in England,

13:47 Have you read Bill's book? but basically Putin, you know, was behind that it's stolen this money. And so Magnitsky basically But Rechenkov is certainly, you know, a high-value asset. I mean, he's a goof. different way of looking at life, I think, than I do, than you do, than like 99.9% of people on the planet do, combination of private security and government, but government only will...

18:35 So, so Gregory Rechenkov, um, basically the premise was, um, is, is I, I felt that the entire doping system in sport was a fraud. wait, wait, wait. You caught the guy based on a criminal investigation, but you didn't catch him based on the science. And if you can't catch the most tested athlete on planet Earth, well, It was just so stupid. yes, I'll help you dope and I'll help you evade testing. And I'll basically show you how you can game the system. And I'm like, this is nuts. Like the guy who just

21:50 And there was this investigation already going on and I was like, okay, something's off here. I mean, they literally just had the tip of the pinky. Oh, and by the way, he says, anybody who is responsible for this crime will be punished. He's like, yes, book the flight. written better like if it was a drama it was a scripted drama it could not have been written

25:10 I go, um, Everybody that I talked to admitted to cheating. Was he a cheater? tenth place, was all going like, hey, the guy won, and he won fair and square. try to find someone down the line who didn't test positive you have to get to 18th place And then he serves his suspension, comes back, and Lance has come out of retirement. Every Olympic medal?

29:25 it's like you know just pretty much all of them just the figure skaters so it was only figure And so this was just a game to out-cheat everyone else who was cheating. just got back to Moscow and I leave the airport and I'm in my car and I get pulled over by like an unmarked police car. And I'm sitting there going, okay, what's the problem? And a year after that happened to tell me that that happened. And I've been working on some other projects,

33:26 to disparage Russia than the What? I think it was like 1988, like Korean Games, The United States came third. he believes the Russian was on some shit. We've got to get him into protection. I'm not corrupt. You can go and follow this story because Ghanos was basically coming out and going, On the other hand, I view it as just kind of a continual cat and mouse game, you know,

39:13 I think that's the future. I mean, that actually sounds pretty cool. innovation comes forth with genetic manipulation i think they're going to be able to turn on genes turn off genes edit things make it so that you really have the best of all worlds and including It's a crazy story. There he is! He's odd-looking. He looks pretty goddamn good for a 79-year-old.

42:59 Anti-agent reverse. Oh, he's got one of those. Hang on. Is that him? I mean, look, I mean, come on. Okay. Yeah. What? all sorts of other well that is the whole um future of this which is um basically going into Is there really a lab that can do that right now? Because they understand the gene sequencing and the properties in your DNA that cause you to grow, that cause you to have lean muscle mass.

47:16 Right, 2040. Playing the long game. Or somebody, maybe not him, whoever's doing it. and treason is the most serious crime Multiple awards, more than one award, not just the Academy Award. It's really good. It's on iTunes, Comcast, Charter, Vudu, Xbox. but it's not on any of the streaming platforms. not it's not on netflix or on like amazon prime as as part of their subscription uh base so meaning

52:52 Zero, zero, zero. Yes. Do we believe British intelligence, French intelligence? absolute monarchy. This is an authoritarian regime, right? And you have probably 90%, So talk about off with your head. It's unfathomable to think. movie theaters. All of this was never in Saudi Arabia before. On the other hand, this guy, And so Muhammad bin Salman comes into power power and Khashoggi is essentially writing

1:00:01 you know, went to all of their known figures and said, you have to support the crown prince. Yeah, I think they opened him back up today. nobody's coming to arrest me, right? Well, in Saudi Arabia, anything having to do with the activists around the Middle East in 2013 took to Twitter and were able to activate. basically take control of the messaging on Twitter. So they hire thousands of trolls,

1:04:18 So Khashoggi essentially was criticizing Mohammed bin Salman, at the same time liking him. There was more of a form of, you know, a parliament. would go against him. So Khashoggi is seeing this, and he's ordered by the henchman, Saudi dissident to Montreal, Omar Abdelaziz. He's 27 years old. He went to He's studying at McGill. following. He goes back to Saudi Arabia because his mother has cancer, and while he's there, he's continuing to tweet.

1:09:57 the kingdom, freedom of speech. And Jamal Khashoggi, as he now is living in self-exile, reaches out to Omar Abdulaziz basically have their own hashtags trending. So Omar understands this and he tells Jamal, he goes, no, no, no, no, no. their tweets and go, this is what's really happening, and basically fight fire with fire. story. But Jamal, I think having worked for the kingdom for so many years

1:14:16 Here's the poisoning in 2006 of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium, crimes. You know, the poisoning of Kim Jong-il's brother, you know, at the Malaysian airport a few from the United States. So they block hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons from the United States. Okay, so they block hundreds of billions of dollars worth of try and be able to prosecute Mohammed bin Salman for the murder of Khashoggi or other crimes. And

1:18:08 And they knew that they had safety with the Trump administration. I mean, all of his, what's the word, supporters, you know, basically going, how can the president dismiss the CIA's findings in this crime? I mean, And, I mean, it's stunning. you know, this in surveillance footage of this body double trying to pretend to be Khashoggi the camera set up basically to do a secure call and this was the only room in the consulate that

1:23:25 And the Turks believe they burned his body in the tandoori oven. They ordered 70 pounds of meat so it's believed that they brought back his hands uh and his head to saudi arabia Yeah, unbelievable. But that case is pending right now, and a moral outrage wow well here's a better one look up the new york times reported he's long it's been going on two three years whatever's had a blockade on cutter right and cutter is you

1:27:13 So, you know, creating some really serious economic damage to Qatar, right? So if you've read the story about the Kushner building on Park Avenue that apparently they owe hundreds and So they made a backroom deal. you know what is it like for you to put together a documentary like this? Free speech is one of our core tenets. So my background was in comedy.

1:30:48 I've got a book. And people just saw me as like, it was like Jason Alexander. I just want to be the guy who can make those decisions and pull those strings and create things and put myself in them or not. it for rental with no marketing or advertising behind it. It got bad reviews. Nobody was sending me out for projects. came this huge kind of burden, this like feeling that okay well I just basically helped save a

1:34:44 Did you feel like that was forced upon you, or was that your instincts? that brought forward a story that I felt that the world needed and wanted to see, And in Jamal's murder, it ticked all these boxes for me. Cause I didn't want to tell an archival film. and that story of their love together, because that to me was going to be the emotional Canada months before. And I saw in Omar the protagonist, the young Khashoggi, the voice of, you know, who's still alive,

1:39:34 I'm sorry, I didn't bring a camera. allowed me to start filming but every time after we film with Omar we would And this began this, what's now been this two-year, incredibly personal, emotional journey. on me, because you really come to love these people. you're fighting these forces and and in this film, here we go to Sundance. reviews of any film out of Sundance. We were on all of the Hollywood Reporter, Variety, AP,

1:44:54 and are too scared or have too many ties to actually want to speak any sort of truth to power have it just live there for people to discover and find did you discuss it with netflix did you have This is too much of a security risk for us. beheaded simply for for speaking uh uh publicly um not in support of their government. That's why they were beheaded?

1:48:33 Amazon just acquired Souq, which is the Saudi Arabia of Amazon. But it's very different than having it as an original, right? doing that to put that up there. And it's not being labeled as an original. So it's not like a, could you have a conversation with them about this? I have a lot of friends at Netflix, and I'm grateful to them. not only are they a different company, it's everybody is doing business with them. And the awards season this

1:53:05 And that's unfortunate. But the bottom line of it is that there was a decision made that, hey, we want to grow in the kingdom. arguably that, you know, hundreds of millions of people on their platform would want to watch it. and there's not that many options. and uh i've uh i've really been thinking about that i I mean, I have two projects that I'm working on I don't want to disclose.

1:57:27 thriller. And, and I think I can, and me and my creative team can craft something really powerful. I mean, to, you know, when you, Do you think without that, Russia still would be in the Olympics? because you're watching politics, have the power to change the course of history. feels like the whole planet watched it and that is the extraordinary power of Netflix. That when

2:01:49 but God damn it, people should see this. She, his fiance sent me a message to two days ago. And she said, Hi, dear Brian. I've read all the reviews of the film, I'm getting better every day. This trauma has created a new Hatija, I think. and with love for our values. And that's extraordinary to me to see that his fiance two years on has such that incredible positive outlook on in

2:06:17 You know, Brian, it's really crazy hearing your story and thinking that just eight years ago, Because when you get to work with these people, facing 40 years old a few years ago going what i'm gonna go move back to colorado with my parents Like, I'm so aware of that. this planet, if I've been given this gift, I might as well keep trying to And yeah, you are the, uh,

2:11:18 And I listen to you religiously. amazon it's worth the money it's very good yeah and Yeah, and if you go online, thedissident.com, Instagram handle is you'll be shocked to try to continue fighting for justice for Jamal