Joe Rogan Experience #1599 — Tulsi Gabbard Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Yeah. where this ship just goes called the United States. Yeah. They get more eyeballs watching and same thing on social media. yeah it's probably annoying to do but also i think a lot of the publishers don't want the authors to paint them as the worst person that's ever lived.

5:12 send all the things that piss you off your way, because those are the things that we engage with They've held some hearings and they've done some things. But when you look at the legislative changes that that can and should be made to this Section 230 provision that essentially point in facebook have so much money yeah to be on their bad side to have them support a candidate

8:10 And I legitimately see both sides of it. like, aren't, you should probably do fairly reasonable the problem is it's kind of a slippery slope like okay you you take that out threats of violence you know uh plans of attacks on federal buildings but then where does where like a hundred people who sit on a virtual jury, where if post is reported this jury looks at it and makes that

10:49 And as we're talking with this example, that is speech that is inciting imminent violence. And it's shocking. And then change that line that basically says if it is speech that is protected under the First Amendment, you don't touch it. that is so open-ended. with the purpose of stirring up controversy and causing Yes. I don't know. I think they're like, oh, well, we think that there are Russian bots that are helping Tulsi in her campaign.

15:42 posts they cited that were done. Like, is it at six now? Let's have her help wounded veterans when she's over there. they say it like it's just a it's a thing that you can say like like you're moving a chess piece Exactly. well, you know, maybe we need to start shutting down certain new media entities that are promoting or saying things we don't like

20:22 And they easily could be from foreign agents. like the QAnon shaman who lives with his mom, But the problem is if you do shut that whole platform down because of these bad agents, you make it so that any platform can be shut down by any bad agents that come in and start doing something along those lines. have no problems with YouTube my issue is it is very strange when there is one

22:55 So if I go online on Google and start searching for a video, whose video platform do you think that's hosted on rumble.com. And that kind of power is why many of us believe that these big And I heard an interview with the, it's a Canadian company. you look for something on Google, and you cannot find it. Yeah. And then you look for it on DuckDuckGo

24:57 It's just part of medicine. Couldn't find it. a bunch of different local publications that highlighted this story. just trying to get information. that's contrary to what, warriors or whatever, trolls. and they're doing something awful they're polluting something they're doing they're I think that if you look at kind of the route that Edward Snowden took

28:30 They're just humans. I think I was talking to my family, my parents or somebody. Yeah, man. Check. And so we have the power to hire and fire. of possibility all you if you if you have some incredibly charismatic person and you you like You're going to let a person who wins a popularity contest the reality of that threat when we got that that missile alert that came through that caused you

34:12 you know, grabbing their little kids and running in, like, where do you take shelter, like going And this was one of the main reasons that I ran for president, you better watch out. The smears started, the building of this caricature of me as something catastrophe. Nobody wants to talk about it. They want to go towards the superficial attacks. They

37:15 Now, having had the moment to step back away now that all is said and done and time has You're an attractive woman you're very well spoken like But why would they do that to you well they refuse to engage on the substance to argue against or agree with with that I'm not taking the money that's coming from going to dance their dance. I'm not going to dance their dance.

40:21 If you do that, this campaign this race or for the convention that is a multimillion dollar kind of, I forget who it was who had about their jackets probably probably there there was one vote there was one vote that i i don't i don't remember what the vote was exactly, but I was not sure on how I was going to vote. And the They didn't want to come and say, hey, Tulsi, here's why we think you should vote for this bill based on the substance, that this is what this bill will do to help the American people in this country.

43:31 Was it, um, agreement right after the election is over. It's literally playing politics with people's lives. they were concerned that if the economy in so many of these cities, and how little consideration they've put into the fact why the strictest lockdowns have taken place in the blue states and the blue cities is because Or, for example, like the girlfriend of a drug dealer

48:37 now. Let's wait until after 2020 and then do it so that it could be done under a Democratic bill did eventually get passed. So those people who are advocating for that lost, but it provides Yeah. But this, I mean, we've seen this, I think, exacerbated over this past administration, It is. many people who you know there are i mean people feel hopeless like why even bother to go vote why

52:05 They want to believe, and they don't really have enough time to find out either. Like, oh, shit. here or in different parts of the world. Most people aren't, they don't have the ability to Makes sense. Now, would that apply to only broadcast television, And you have two entities. They showed the videos from all of his rallies. to put something on television

56:24 money went from that to the it's a wild thing to see. You look to North Korea, for example. You have our agriculture, our environment. You have bees and bugs and Because they're gonna try to play it out longer we can try to force the conversation towards things that actually matter to us. I hope so. I like the way Start becoming a charitable organization?

1:02:07 other voices, other platforms that are actually going in-depth I don't know anything about that. foil we need someone look the fucking 2021 season it's gonna be pretty boring if trump's not involved We've got Harris. and hold them accountable I think there are. complete an ultra marathon like they're they're making we're gonna do the finish line we're there

1:05:07 You got this conflict energy. We need another bad guy. administration and that still exist in our country today which is why i think it's so dangerous And ultimately, he will be held accountable for his own actions in whether he is, is able to be that unifying force, again, that he won by a landslide and even using certain things as an example that were easily disproven

1:08:39 because he's put out this narrative, So Kalkulinski lays this all out on the show day of the election. votes and then it leans towards biden like no no no no this is how it was going to go if you are a pulled the ballots out. But no, you hear from the actual Georgia official, and he goes, that's not looking at the video footage from a surveillance camera and you don't know exactly what happened

1:11:29 She put it on her Twitter. And again, this is where we have the opportunity to hold people accountable. where the electronic system was manipulated and got it wrong. So the bill that I introduced you just use a paper ballot either way you have an auditable paper trail and it would have provided Congress chose not to pass the bill was there arguments

1:14:55 So the point is to have some foresight So holding these leaders accountable and calling them on their crap is essential if we want to And they showed they used replica electronic voting systems from different states. I wonder if that's the real kid we have questions what you learn and how you learn that right there though that is um states like there was a built-in access for a third party.

1:17:54 So concentrating on these key issues and really important things like murder hornets, it's hard. what you call it, this title, this position, it's not mother or father, it's now parent. chooses to now parent sibling it would be parent sibling that's what it would be but this is all but I don't think they understand the ultimately corrosive impact But at least they probably thought that the people that voted, voted. Like that it was probably

1:21:39 that kind of goes against the russian narrative right there it's like what a slippery game you're where one side kind of says, well, it's okay if I agree with your motivation for Not just selfish interests, but also tribal interests. he wants to start another party like oh jesus christ and call it the There's a lot of pain, a lot of frustration. and go back to the fundamentals of this country,

1:26:31 One thing that does give me hope is online pundits is that they, Crystal and Sagar are right and left, okay? hunger for this there's a starvation yeah and i think shows like that can lead the way because this is the way we need to behave Yeah. what do we really want? education and Yes. So, yes, we are going to have wildly different ideas perhaps on how we can achieve these things, which is okay.

1:30:58 know there's the there's a a gym in the basement of the house that that uh a lot of members are Maybe. It is important. Yeah, you're doing plyometrics. Small group of us. to abraham and my wedding in hawaii and like we're actually really good friends that's cool and it who was like waiting to pass and we were getting in her way and when she passed once the high five

1:33:55 but let's have those conversations and also be able to say, and you find out how long you hold that pose for before you quit. Exactly. to do in a weird way do you i usually fall asleep at the end well there's there's a couple of those lay there you want to move around yeah but you just got a chill and it's hard Yeah. school you know uh that is that is a whole other thing yeah well it's about people it's like

1:37:24 And they don't get any better. Didn't give them their just due. their failures yeah you get to learn from their mistake it's a horrible thing to learn from experience is the best mistake or is the the best teacher i think other people's failures are the If you don't like what's happening around you right now, take a moment, pause, and whether it's individually, ourselves, or really collectively collectively stopping for that introspection

1:40:39 What kind of impact do you want to make? based on the experience that I've had throughout my time in Congress, in the morning in the gym. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the problem with Twitter. they'd be able to communicate in a way where they would be able to relay each other's thoughts when they're heard and they feel heard all of those things, who we voted for,

1:44:27 I don't think you would have people reaching across the aisle and having reasonable discussions. i'm gonna be nice too that's true and then they're nice to each other and then you know i thought i Raise your hand if you're a Democrat. Immediately, people were just like wow Her glasses were shaking. And that kind of energy at a town hall, I guarantee you, is a large part of why people were willing to have these reasonable disagreements and discussions.

1:47:20 This is most of what we agree on or disagree on is we can work these things out. what draws people to your show because they know that it will be a fair and open and respectful dialogue, I don't know, create that space where we can actually get to know each other better. Now I've got a trailer up. I am video and audio. There's something about the in-person ones

1:50:37 chocolate you know yeah yeah that's what it's like it looks like a podcast but it's a hollow chocolate bunny yeah yeah so there's um issues like this that people aren't really getting in the news. and, you know, can you know we'll Yeah. There was some weird shenanigans. They would do with demonetizing specific episodes of the entire fucking planet yeah why put ads on that. Yeah. Why would you want to put ads on something that's one of the primary concerns of the entire fucking planet?

1:53:32 There was a lot of weird stuff like that. And it's not the primary concern, It's not that I distrust YouTube. How many different people upload on YouTube? We've figured this out before, but it's in physically possible how many different people upload on youtube we've How do you get all the Nazi videos down? I don't know what YouTube's process is to have any kind of fairness in

1:56:11 Yeah. You can eardrop it to him. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, it comes down to being able to make sure that these big tech monopolies are making decisions about content, like we talked about, based on the principles of the First Amendment. decades of precedence for this, which provide very clear guidelines and markers that big going to answer all those people exactly so my thoughts of going with spotify besides the money

1:57:59 um, He's going to go right to your pictures. All the stuff. that I wanted to be reminded of. And one of the dangers of this right now is just the, you know, casting broad aspersions against people. to over 25,000 of our National Guard soldiers, In the country. it's safe to assume that 75% of the guard has likely voted for Trump and therefore could not be trusted to uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution and fulfill the mission that they've been tasked with in our nation's capital. And the troubling statement that he used was,

2:02:12 By you saying, by you making this assumption that the people I've served with are... are more often people of color and that this will balance things out like literally say if more white people die Yeah, if you want to save lives, you would give it to the older people. So if they have to be at work, they're more likely to be contracted. to get approval from Pfizer and Moderna.

2:05:52 get vaccinated so they don't spread it or even you know first responders we had a we had a local for example, who is elderly and who is vulnerable to this and who has not gotten the vaccine. social distancing, because of the potential for that. So I think that's such an important thing people in frontline essential jobs. And then you go on to the essential workers, teachers and day

2:09:21 to work that makes sense you know it's, it's just, it's very difficult I mean, people over 65, my parents included, you're pretty much stuck at home because of the very real danger that if you go out and you get infected, you could die. If we want to reduce those numbers, those are the people who should be prioritized the Department of Health and Human Services

2:12:24 How has Hawaii had a quarantine for a long time, right? yeah, people aren't getting, I mean, people aren't getting, people shouldn't be getting the importance that that plays on the immune system? has not been more of a focus in talking about prevention. It's had a really devastating effect. Like, you know, people who are out in the water every day, they're like, my gosh, it's

2:16:13 A month's probably not enough, though, unfortunately. I have a giant concern with fishing practices and what's happening with the ocean. Yeah, that overfishing. There has to be a change in the policies and the laws that govern these industries. as countries in the world because of our economies. I'm not saying it's going to be an easy thing, uh, Yeah.

2:19:50 but finding that the mainstream media captured to be able to highlight and showcase that through different conversations, I think, You don't listen to this is Tulsi Gabbard. absolutely they wouldn't have decided that because I think if there was no opposition, they would I hope Joe Biden lives forever and becomes a god. You never saw that? Do you want to try one of these pineapple jalapeno drinks?

2:22:59 Yeah, it's my flavor. like it would be disgusting it's good good that's good right that is good that's not bad no that's That's exactly it. and simpatico on how we want to approach these issues that we're facing. We don't have that. To me, it's clear he's talking about when he was VP, though. The guy's going to fake a disease. I think we should have a pool.

2:25:26 I'm not even going to go here, man. It was kind of a cool Thor. That was a little sad, though, man. when he got fat and he was drinking a lot of beer? That was pretty funny. Now you're fat shaming all the people that are fat. Get up and do something about it. Oh, good lord. if I talk badly other underlying issues that make it difficult for them to either whether follow a certain diet or

2:27:52 there's another one that had well the one with the the biggest one is the lady in the blue and like that's that's terrifying yeah to say to a person that this is healthy yeah in a major Just give people the facts and the information. Don't do it. yeah but all of these things like these things and then they're asking other people to enforce. Yeah. And then the people saw the pictures like,

2:31:43 And also right next to people. No social distancing. No masks. It's like, fucking chandelier, you crackhead. And they're also right next to people. there's also there's no common sense there's no evidence that it spreads outside there's no to the rest the restaurant workers at her favorite place they talked to them no one talked to her she that it's coming, that the COVID spread is coming

2:33:55 each other like you're forced to be when you're stuck at home yeah that's when people are getting getting it yeah the the leadership that is making decisions not based on science or basic common There's like five different options on how you get to choose how the book ends. using the economy as a political pawn? the best interest of the people that That's what it comes down to. Whatever the motive is, power, party politics, campaigns, money, all of these different things,

2:37:17 fly to Hawaii my usual stopovers were like from DC to Hawaii was usually LA or Yeah. Somebody asked me that in an interview early on or year one or two, basing in Hawaii and then traveling? and I think it'll just be cool to be able to go out and meet people where I want this to be about life, optimist perspective of how you think this country bounces back from COVID, from the lockdowns,

2:40:14 new industries, and that of those around us so that we are better protected as people in situations like this. There's no asymptomatic versions of the plague, right? minimizing the deaths and the sorrow and the sadness of people that lost loved ones. these different supplements that help strengthen our immune system and protect us specifically thing that came up was like this has not been proven to blah blah blah well they don't want

2:43:18 And I had Dr. Mark Gordon on recently, and he talked to me about quercetin which is an ionophore and zinc and the two of not expensive. It's a normal vitamin. but you uh quercetin you take a But one of the things that he recommends highly is quercetin and zinc. I mean, I mean, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. cycle to be able to have a really holistic response gordon is i mean he's a saint of a human being i mean he literally dedicates all of his time to

2:47:29 Yeah. we as taxpayers spend on health care for our service members alone is pretty astronomical. figuring out why are so many of our service members you know, you can't mitigate every single risk. Obviously, if you're going in a war zone, there's going our Vietnam veterans did who were exposed to Agent Orange Yep. kind of fog that was over our camp all the time it's crazy um it's crazy that that's their solution

2:51:43 on how we can make sure that Yes. He's elite. before that fight Wow the fact that max beat the brakes off of him yeah I mean Yeah. But you don't lose that sense of respect and aloha and that kindness. i was like what are you talking about he goes yeah he goes i would try it in the game is this Max's conditioning is off the charts. And the force, right?

2:55:47 towards John Jones because And he's undefeated at 29 But you know what? This Conor and Oh, I never do that, Tulsi. a lot of videos and I've seen a lot of conversations And ultimately, Khabib's strength in grappling is so overwhelming. That's exciting, though. so damn good. It was Like everybody. And to have that kind of performance yeah without sparring

2:59:25 the muscle memory and to get the movement right yeah but there's ways to do it where you're not Did you see that? nuts in the last round But it was the coolest thing to see Max at home in his hometown but he never forgets where home is and who his family is Aloha, everyone. common than we may realize. Now more than ever, during these dark and divisive and

3:03:28 gain new perspectives, and we will never shy away from the tough conversations. Great to catch up with you. Thank you, Tulsi.