Joe Rogan Experience #1602 — Justin Wren Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Uh-oh. Sure. bourbon in America. So anyways, I asked him, I was talking to Bo and say, can we do something but basically you're about to be able to do a wine, but the trees are all different trees right so those things i think they call them staves or So here's going to be sample one.

2:55 Oh, he's got them. Well, this is the idea. Or this is how we wanted to say thank you is you need to pick your own thing yep here's a glass oh this is hilarious So this is sample number one. This is sample number two. And so, basically, you can choose it. Nerds like hints and tastes. Pot tasting? Tastes good. That's number one. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

5:39 One time I did have to send a glass back, buy the glass, it can rarely happen, Number two. which pancake do you like the best the difference they're all great i think three was slightly different three was slightly different Here's three. Three is a magic number, and that one was born October 25th, 2012. Do you drink? And so, and I can enjoy it because this is what buffalo

8:56 And so if you hit order or enter today, basically on there, there's a Buffalo Trace whiskey raffle. Bo's going to do it himself. llewellyn who's a whiskey local store. Yeah, they're three years older than the United States. Bo really thinks we can do it. that's the first time fight for the forgotten would ever raise a million dollars from any one specific donor.

10:59 And when I came on the first time, zero. And then they exchanged shirts. they're the people of the forest and so um i would say it's politics was there an issue with uh 300 people can live on one acre of land. I was walking over these mounds. That is insane. And so they're actually being taught how to drill or actually been taught how to drill wells and be part of that process, how to farm with agriculturalists, growing corn, cassava, potatoes, and peanuts.

14:20 they're going to have a kitchen inside, a dining room. They're allowed to go gather firewood. They're allowed to go gather, um, they can't hunt. They can get wild hog. Yeah. plains animals got stuck in the congo it's pretty wild because you can see like these They can swim underwater Yeah. a day family so it's actually if you look at their little horns and then also their long long tongues

16:53 And they're only right there in Mombasa Rainforest, in the Echuri Rainforest. out of where they were doing their um illegal gold mining they like taking over this gold mine they slaughtered them for food or no they just slaughtered them on out of where they were doing their illegal gold mining. Just out of meanness. of being a thief but it was just outside this bar and um normally at night everything kind of they

18:45 drunk they accused the guy being a thief they didn't like the guy they had like some feud with whenever a rebel comes in. You know, there's a thing that happens when people go to really crazy environments they they leave and then they I believe that's, Jamie, that's what it was about, right? I just slept on the dirt and the fire was my blanket. I met her when she had tuberculosis and she was seven years old and she

21:41 but we had to send her back in like a, you know, a casket. And that kind of stuff like messes with you. He actually passed away now, but he's from the Congo. even now has been the best of my life, which has been an incredible turnaround. But man, I, um, I think, I think old timers and, and they're not, um, they're not like living in victory or they're not walking

24:52 No, I, yes, I did. He had said about Kratom or Kratom here. of, it's a, it's the pharmaceutical version of heroin. Right. So, um, whenever I had that There was a cyst that was sitting in there in between the labrum and in between the glenoid, And he's been such a gift to us and to me in my career, but also to us as an organization. Yeah. Um, I want her to be awesome. She's gonna be a rockstar counselor and help a lot of people

27:57 Um, but I also think the, the hardest part about it was it was such an easy divorce. you have a thing called a reset weekend um or reset after a big tournament you want to just I needed a training camp. It's a big book bootcamp, You know, uh, run from it i needed to face it and i needed to look at the the stuff and get sober, you'd have this, many, but whenever I have that first use a thousand is not enough. I got to keep having it.

31:56 He was put in that prison. you see them do irrational things and then they go on this run and then when they after after that But then what happens is they back with that firm resolution, I promise. in that place where you have this mental obsession so you have this mental obsession you get restless I would get sober from my fights, the eight weeks of fight camp, 10 weeks of fight camp.

34:46 go get help. carwin duane bang brennan shaw visiting the kids that i would push around in the wheelchairs and No. Well, I was out, I was out there using and, um, I felt so much shame and so much guilt. what I would do as in my addict mind, I would think it would sound rational. I'll just have I told my board I needed rehab and I said, I need, I need help. Like I've relapsed and I need help.

38:02 They were going to send me to a place in Oklahoma, not to knock it at all, it's out of dallas fort worth and it's called stone gate and i don't think the advertising your shit, paper underwear. bring bedbugs in, um, and get in the mattresses and things like that, like if someone came from and I basically gave the finances we had yes what are you manifesting to have this like sickness you know these all these sicknesses

41:26 Yeah. phones at 5 p.m they could have visitors they could go to walmart two or three days a week Paper underwear. I brought nice towels, and they gave me my towels back. So all of a sudden I was using that and he gave me an infraction. and I was about to lose my phone call at the three-week mark, So you got two infractions for the same thing. For me, well, they can't, you have to keep yourself from doing it.

44:44 a costume party. I went, um, to my middle school crushes birthday party. I crushed there because I was And so that leads to I would know it, but when I would relapse, I would feel like such a piece of garbage. There was, it was COVID. divorce to then all of a sudden you're in isolation. Um, and then I just decided to use, and then that's all I had to do. And then

48:07 changes your consciousness, anything that has me drop out where I can other people, You can't stop. But you knew it was depressing you. I expected because in my brain, like literally biologically or whatever, it's, it's given connection there. And I was going to find a rehab place. And then I was going to go, uh, come back They can't see. This time it's got me in a stranglehold that I can't get out of.

51:32 And so when I actually got on that plane at 5am, it was four flight attendants, who was stoked that he bought this condo that was next to mine by Airbnb. He had oxy on him. We got oxy. I mean, it looks like a guy out of, he's got the silk shirt and the chains on and, and They know that I've relapsed and I just feel like I can't come back. should just kill yourself. It was just on repeat. I was stuck in this thought loop.

54:32 Yeah. sober. But also I needed something a little different. Like I don't want to be, I wanted But it's like, you have to be fit relationally. You have to have a tribe. That's what I found like you're immersing yourself into all these things because you kind of can't help yourself you want to do with my life and I had a movie in my mind and it was like visualization whenever

57:58 And sometimes you'd see yourself have the perfect match. if i lost i wanted to erase all that and this was 11 months uh sober at 23 and how'd you do that honestly i just kind of white knuckled it and Sure. happen. It was 10 times, 20 to a hundred times more vivid than the visualization drills that I Is this some psychic break? Is this some sort of, or mental breakdown? Like then that I saw

1:01:14 other places. And I'm like, where are they? This is how I found out about the pygmies. That there's rebel groups that are actually decapitating people and different crazy things. and a half weeks. And so we brought a buddy Colin along with us who took the, the, the photo that squat i put my elbows on my knees i literally took a knee because i felt weak in the knees

1:03:32 sick oppressed enslaved and they they knew it and it's been really cool actually uh jim and susan And I didn't know what to do with it. I was just a fighter. I didn't know how to start farms. And literally he said, he, Caleb and Colin are with me. And he looks at me and says, we don't have a voice. Can you help us have one? It's 10 years later. 80 milligrams. And basically they do five milligrams. They do 10 milligrams. They do

1:07:01 PM. Like April 4th was the darkest night of my life. And then April 5th when I woke up, I was just like, I was tired. What is the... I wouldn't have been able to um the table was maybe right where you're sitting and the bed was It was right before the sun rose. And I remember I woke up and I woke up with a gas 6 a.m the next morning it was right before the sun rose and i remember

1:09:38 And I remember I was sitting on my knees in the, on the sand, in the water, the water's coming up kind of on my chest and over my shoulders. And it was almost like this shamefulness was coming over me with every wave. Like just so much shame because of what I did the night before, day before. was like blown away because When did you use again? So I was smoking weed.

1:12:10 You can go through withdrawal quick. I was there two weeks and I was using the whole time I was there. I know that's stupid. you feel like i remember the time i was going through withdrawal after surgery i was i felt thing to like say you want to fight in the UFC, within that time. that's whenever I went all in. I will never use oxy, alcohol, marijuana, Xanax, those kind of substances of substances, unless like it's under the, not even unless it's

1:15:55 um, Well, And the Congo basin reinforced where I lived and the pygmies do it as a, patterns of the mind are fascinating to me yeah um because like i said i don't have a physical break free? I mean, not, It's a giant problem. And I find myself on, you can and then out as far as you can in as far as you can and out as far as you can and they would kind of, we're in meditative stuff. We have like this priming thing that we've been doing.

1:19:55 I think that, well, I think like right now, you know, with you, who he is like it's one of those transparent people ever you're you are your heart in your 13. when your kids are playing. it's like a it's a natural thing a horrible but natural thing well one of the kids i'm It's horrible. from inside the school they were able to help those. And then that did it to a man like watching that.

1:23:23 Like, what is it about bullying and kids now they're presented with a choice. Am I going to do something or do nothing? which, um, it was cool. Like when stop it. And so, um, sounds ridiculous, but I don't, I don't get how after all the amazing things that you've the dirt. like an atomical heart, um, like sitting in the water and I see it starting to sink.

1:27:27 my, my head was kind of in the sun a little bit. And, um, they sprinkle this water on me. They And I knew that was my heart and it takes it back up and it comes above. an ocean it's not like i'm trying to see a heart so this symbolized in your mind what you needed why, but I put my arms up and I put my arms up and one of the facilitators or people helping people

1:29:41 And then someone else comes by and they grab my hands and they put my hands over my hands through self-love and meditation, taking time for myself and silence. Um, and taking, I think, the world better but they want to make their own life better and as they make their own life better She helps me. And then going there and just hiking on 250 acres or the Greenbelt or all these other parks, Zilker Park,

1:32:27 or this relapse that I had and how dark of a spot I got. If they knew like no one would want Like take the season to really look inward. they rode me real hard they were having me wake up me uh for there was different rotations but They're people I can really look up to that I can trust. like synchronicity synchronicities that happened, And I just had to look back at everyone and say like,

1:35:45 like as a fighter right you know yeah you i would most people when they do something Right. um, until you love, until you really actually allow yourself, um, not just to, Then I'm living at the Olympic Training Center. Yeah. And at the time, like it was some reason it was almost like whenever in fighting, I would get my hand raised I'm just, those positive things were happening do you allow it into your mind well do you think that you could

1:39:13 like I stopped, uh, daily disciplines. I stopped doing my five minute journal in the morning where but that night I thought I took 30 shots of vodka. Um, I really only took 15 and it was out And they thought it was funny. understand it or people that, that don't, they don't have that. Yeah. The thing that I, one of of putting it back down they do until they're equipped until they're empowered until they're

1:41:59 then being kicked off the team. Like that was bottom man and then again rock bottom comes 10 drinker can stop just with a good, like, um, with a, with a reason I've got a, I've got an event but the, We need encouragement, Yeah. after April 5th and I attempted suicide, It doesn't end well for me. Can you do this? Can you do that? Can you do this? I've been able to handle it a whole lot

1:45:41 No, that's good. Yeah. I read them sometimes but not i don't i don't i don't let that that what they were trying to do is help. They say offense or resentment is the number one offender. goes, that's exactly what we're doing. You know, it's, it's preventative, regenerative, integrative in the rivers so schistosomiasis and then um I also had cerebral malaria of the brain and they had to poison my brain to kill the parasite in my brain.

1:48:08 I was doing this parasite detox and like I was depleted. episode yeah right yeah don't you make that correlation yeah yeah so that's what it was okay, to start balancing back out that bad bacteria with good bacteria because it should be a 50 50 of that we were talking about the fact that you're taking these heavy duty antibiotics yeah and these And instead of doing it every three, um, months, like they do with more of their patients or all

1:51:05 You know, you can attribute a lot of this to that disease. treatments to try to get blood flow down into a cellular level, into my mitochondria to like creeks right where the snails are where the parasites are do they have enough water from Yeah, you know, we've dug latrines, Gregson Simmons has a very funny joke Like, like now I'm helping better other people's lives.

1:53:31 my dog clean water. we are yeah and i hope that for me i've started to find a lot more purpose in my voice um like but people that have a story, And what I'm doing is just get healed. and you've got to deal with this problem. Like, that's what I wanted to tell you. You got this horrible parasite that they couldn't even detect for a long time. ever felt and i'm like yes that's what i want that's what i need but it's okay to want to feel normal yeah yeah it's

1:56:41 my vitamins going on my minerals going on this. I'm pestering you about this. You're getting poisoned with malaria. population like uh but it can happen weaker but it's whenever your immune system you've been Because we've had the amnio in our shoulders and in our knees. life well i was doing pretty good until i went to train with stipe and then i got a blown disc

1:59:12 it's going to be hard for me to verbalize this but there's a pattern that some people have where i'm not doing them well i'm not doing any of the things to their optimal ability now i protect my I'm sure it is. You can't. And then also, you're kind of distracting yourself with activity. relationships something always suffers and it comes back to in a lot of times people are afraid

2:02:13 really fully address who you are you don't decide who you are you don't come to grips with who you They start tacking things onto their life. the things out that I'd really am not doing. Like, so, so most of my mornings now, like until nine wasn't as important. And I was like, what's more important right now? Is it me going out, uh, by a waterfall and I literally took out my music. I started listening to it and I started

2:05:35 guard you know that you you will try to help as many people as possible and when you get requests cholesterol getting better, Uh, I am taking some CBD, uh uh tinctures it's a company here looking at, I'm really excited to see what this amnio and corion based like uh stem cell type them in my knee though um when i climbed mount kilimanjaro so i'd broken my uh or fractured my

2:08:54 way up. And they followed me. I was non-weight bearing for two full weeks. Then I had the amnio like some of our military veterans um and that to me was like wow regenerative medicine is real with those regulations. resistance to these things being legalized i think that's why jason with medcor biologics who is take the middleman out of it. Doctors.

2:11:52 of people and trying to pay. They have malpractice insurance and all this other insurance. And then is like, let's not treat disease. cancer. Well, let's also be honest. We're very fortunate that we have access to these sort of and level that's hard for a lot of us to, to hear and get, cause it goes in one ear and out the I'm really excited. The other one that goes super deep in your nose.

2:15:25 Yeah, it's fun. You know what else though? He, I love David. So that's such a great sense of humor for a brilliant man. It's fun. I was like, what are you doing tomorrow? What is he, a 40-year pro surfer now? He's a beast. His ankle was broken, and he just kept working out on it while it was broken forever. I didn't notice his ankle, but David. underwater like i don't know superhero mermaid where he's like literally doing us he goes into

2:17:44 Raphael and I and Shonji, we got like six, eight, 10. literally did a hundred reps because it's all about technique it's all about flow rafael and Like, uh, I know he's a Harvard professor and, and, and all that other stuff and researcher or people, group that have come to support me. to know people like you and the, Very unusual. home i come back home when i was in congo i, I decided I was going to live there for a year. I went in October and by Thanksgiving day,

2:20:27 that thought and everything else. but this is what the people that I love and who I'm here to help. mostly with polio and stuff like that and it it's like, we got to come up with something. Because I got to get out of here in 20 minutes. I like people enjoying themselves. wouldn't be able to stop so i just better make sure i don't have it okay but this right here

2:23:03 share some of my messiest it's uncomfortable for my position, to not have lost any of the board members. Like we actually gained a board member things there. And, um, it's's it's going to lead to even better things or a year if you want to go see how they make it maybe we go with them but uh i would love maybe not maybe not but i would uh i'll go right alcohol and xanax are the only two um things that if you stop or barbiturates if you stop in

2:26:36 the worst six months of my life but the last six month months like doing the hard work doing deep self care is not selfish. the moment that that's so important and one of the things about anderson silva right he's the baddest motherfucker on earth he loses one fight to chris weidman too but i don't think i don't think he's the same animal that he was back then you know and also their strategies are different

2:29:45 those low kicks were as hard as he'd ever been hit before and he you know even he probably recognized on the meat of the leg so even if you lift your leg up if you're checking those low calf kicks they're still hitting the meat yep I was thinking coming off of that loss, It's not like it was before. he got ko'd you know it's not that fight's not happening though it's also like he needs uh a

2:31:59 And that was when Justin Gaethje was fighting in a different way. to be a purist charles olivera versus dustin is the fight to make because you got olivera who just Yeah. Yeah. lightweight of all time for sure and maybe the greatest fighter of all time i mean john jones Right. of the lightweight division, to CTE. And he was one of And then I was a coach for him.

2:35:37 cte therapy with uh with psychedelic mushrooms and there's something about psychedelic mushrooms. And there's something about psychedelic mushrooms. What was really hard was the last three or four months, he really just tanked physically. Kevin Burns you remember Kevin Burns who fought MMA division and then Guys that I know that have committed suicide from CTE, one of them in particular, just

2:38:13 We were going skiing. in his death his brain being studied is gonna someday somehow did you read that article on Yeah. it was rough. they'd appreciate the accomplishments and the battles they'd appreciate the fighters more And he'll have to pay for that. I was training partners with him, was on The Ultimate Fighter with him. it was not he and also he wasn't into it anymore he could say he was into it but i knew he wasn't

2:41:47 and that's really what happens. And when, if me going back. That's amazing. it's at Buffalo Trace right on our homepage, fightforthwithfregot.org, Thanks, Joe.