Joe Rogan Experience #1617 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Well, he's not wrong. defense department, and a lot of commercial sectors. a more sophisticated attack, that while everyone is focused on what's to cause us all sorts of problems, I think he said 2049 to be the global superpower of the world and essentially take the place of what America used to be.

3:20 or it's popped up during the previous administration of Trump. And that was the old school way of doing it. Is there specific companies? We take, as a country, we take a very sort of targeted approach, right? I mean the Russians is less elegant. recruit for years and years and years, or they'll infiltrate a society or an organization, know hue and cry over the past four years.

7:14 Oh, my God, we've got this adversarial relationship with China. the SolarWinds, to the Russian attack, right? They're talking about it. Now they're saying So how do you make it painful? yet. We've got cyber command, right? And we're still trying to sort out what are appropriate or in India or with our allies is because for years now, And they were never built to withstand physical attacks.

10:40 on a desk somewhere not too far from, you know, Xi's office is a playbook that says, if this thing escalates, here's what we're going to do. doing it because people always say when I say something like that well the u.s Sometimes we don't do it properly, right? maybe I'm wrong here, but the Chinese don't view anything in an altruistic manner, for the world?

13:04 It's not a bad thing. We're setting a tone. Yeah, I guess that's true. As long as we're also the same shit. I guess it doesn't cost anything to say sorry. It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing. It's a major policy direction. Yes. Well, I'm allowed to in the house, but I get yelled at by the kids. cigar put my feet up I feel like a man again dude my baker no I know I know

14:57 Oh my God, dogs are great. I mean, look, this hack that I just talked about earlier with Microsoft, with the exchange, Facebook is banned. I didn't even know it was still in existence. I a windows laptop it wants to pull up bing sometimes i'm like what are you doing please get Do you know what it is? I looked on DuckDuckGo and I find them instantly.

17:26 Takes a COVID vaccination, dies. I think Google is trying to – look, I think they're doing it for altruistic purposes. there's a lot of medication that if you give people, some people, for whatever reason, human body we vary so much biologically that if you have a wide swath of people if you have an Is DuckDuckGo, is that spelled? It's not like D-U-K

19:33 But I like it. I bought a fucking They're in fear. I mean, look, it's a matter of starving to death. Look at your fancy culinary style. Did it have tiny sprinkling Don't put foam on my plate. what was I gonna say just something popped in my head I do You were born in England? But you're American basically. And then I moved to Australia. Right, Jamie?

21:45 Yeah. 100%. I mean, to ride out the pandemic yeah are up to now But now, you know what they're doing, is they are engaged in a covert action campaign, a They're trying to sell their Sputnik vaccine. And so they're seeding stories out there. In the old days, before the internet, It's the Sputnik. I think, well, he's a really based on the research that he did on the vaccine,

25:06 necessarily have the FDA, you know, breathing down their neck saying, these are the sort You know Pussy Riot? Yeah. The band? Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I Political Dissidence. Oh, God. You know Pussy Riot? I have a t-shirt back in my LA house. I'm listening to you. I didn't slip up, no. Right. It's, it's, it's not a happy place out there. And there's a lot of people that would,

26:57 We should be controlling the United States. be tolerant and to be open-minded but there's one thing to look at the whole picture and go shit that's like most of us get along yeah most of us get along most of us i can't i agree with You just quoted Sting. and we think, oh, these motherfuckers are coming after us. want the best for our kids yes yes we want the best for our community we want to be happy we

30:30 interest. Again, going back to that same thought. So is it in the, say, the Russian's best interest Yeah. That's bullshit. people can figure out a way to the sow the seeds of dissent and and discontent and i think that I'm socially very liberal. I don't buy this idea that I have to be a part of one party or another They're tortured. a good that's a good point.

34:05 when you have children. people like that i started thinking about people as children yeah that grew up and by bad circumstance gun safe yes let's be honest you know i'm fucking gold bars in there bro i get catheters and gold is going to take him 25 minutes because of the fucking distance, right? So yes, do I want a couple of well-trained, Yes. This is not a heavy lift to have someone trained up and then go through continuous training

37:04 Oh, absolutely. And I'm sure the NRA, too happened to the gun industry. Oh, for the manufacturers? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. But do I think that it's important to insist that? And the point was, Well, you know. untoward. It wasn't like, you know, we were not governor, rather, Abbott said. He said, I encourage you to wear a mask. You everybody was wearing a mask. Yeah. This is the thing the governor, Abbott, said.

38:40 Exactly. come back and sit down at your table like okay i mean because you know to be fair they've got But it's true. Or it's their time to shine. It was clear from the post that they've had the luxury of working from home and not losing their job. And they're like, well, we should not go back to school. of people that support it a bunch of people that argue against it but if it's a narrative like we should stay home we should all wear masks yeah pretty hard for people to

42:05 You can wear a mask because, okay, fine. No. They weren't selling out clubs and theaters. outside and i mean literally none there's no evidence and then on top of that we test everyone survive there was a recent study that showed that 78 percent of all the people that are hospitalized Now, that's not a health shaming thing Well, of course, believe science.

45:39 And what that does, though, the importance of that is logistics, right? won't because we're not going to be honest with ourselves. But if we actually did an honest In the beginning, I thought that it was going to be something that kills 10% of the population. Thank God Trump wasn't pro-vaccine. And we can't trust the vaccines because they were developed under Trump.

47:50 And again, going back to what we were talking about earlier with the Russians and the Chinese, Is this actually a scientific piece of work or is this just – and what's the origin of it? there's no quotes to the memes there's no english and you're like what is going on here and you And again, going back to that idea that, well, you didn't have that many opportunities,

49:58 It still exists. Of course it was, right? you know, does it frustrate you that people say America does it too. I think there's a similar thing. He's towing the line. We don't know what they're doing, right? Putin's a very smart politician, right? So, again, every time I start off on this path, I get these responses that are just you yeah my my daughter worked and lived in china for you know for a while right she speaks chinese

54:54 And the question is always, how do we, you know, how do we go about securing our information? But, you know, I'm worried about him. I mean, of course. just think that um i think his his instincts are overridden by the priorities of the further left portion of the party. minority right they're the ones who are always going to be beating the drums and screaming about

57:24 Alex Jones. Look, they're taking over. ceremony i saw that yeah come ask me you bring your kid send me that video alex jones Yeah. They're all Russians. They were just trying to make a point. Did you have to? Hey, come over here. Get those in there. That's one of those shirt jackets. point, because it feeds some narrative, right? She doesn't even have a fucking phone. Especially if you had one of those video cameras you'd held on your shoulder back in

59:48 They want to see, oh, my God, it's going to go everywhere. They don't have to be told by the federal government to do the right thing. everybody in the center is trying to figure out where the fuck the rational people are I'm worried about these weird interfaces. But this is what I think. I think ultimately in this direction where we're going to be less human and that might be because of all the bullshit

1:02:35 oh my God, can't you just put like a colander on our head and just read our thoughts? activity, right? It's blood pressure get one who's had a bad day and it's just, you know, whatever. Right. The Russians. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't... The old toaster incident. That's all. It's costly. but but luckily, most people aren't they'll show that they believe that thing, even though that thing is not really true.

1:06:57 It's just one tool. And counterintelligence operations are always an enormous lift. No. distance between human beings and information and information is far more accessible than it's ever been before. that's going to be because they're thinking about it in short term gains and losses but ultimately willing to do that and it's going to help people in a lot of ways because lying doesn't just hurt

1:10:18 it's going to eliminate propaganda. It depends on where you are and who you are. wide up? I do not and it's barely a state. It's a highway I don't disagree with that idea People are way more educated and informed than people were 1,000 years from now. But if you look at the reality of it all, look how divisive we are now, right? I just think that but in terms of our children, in terms of general society and the way that we deal with

1:13:31 Isn't that a lot of that like fear and a lot of that is distrust of other people? All right, they were terrified Elvis Presley shaking his hips. You can't show it on television. There was a real argument feeling from being seen by downloading the whole thing for now but you know that's that's also know a neural link or anything else is going to suddenly make us better people and i think it's

1:16:41 But I think that what we're dealing with is there's a lot of confusion, and there's a lot of distrust, and there's a lot of conflict. difference in the world that we exist in. We were worried about the unknown. We were worried about animals. We were worried about attacks. The only way I see that we can keep up with it is if we do something to interface with the technology in a way that's unprecedented, in a way that's different than just looking at a screen

1:19:15 the more likely people are to get into these weird fucking groups where they they have echo chambers limitations. Yeah, it sounds like a married guy. but also, not biological oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the wires thing is like i think the wires thing is But remember when we were talking with Jamie Metzl yesterday I will say this. But what I'm saying is I think, look, would I want to grow up as a kid today compared to when I grew up,

1:22:15 And so – but was there – as an example, was there a benefit to having much of the But I look at that and i go you know Life can be pretty simple if you think about it, right? communicate without talking i think that's fucked up i like again i don't want to you know the what led to but are you saying that now but are you saying that now it's better in terms of

1:25:04 Are you an investor in DuckDuckGo? It's one of the reasons why I like Apple over Android. data we're giving up uh all of our metadata and all of our information, and through these algorithms, they've been able to amass insane amounts of wealth just by using our information. There was no such thing as Facebook and Google. I just don't think, you know, it's going to improve the human condition necessarily.

1:27:53 not to discount all the situations where people have been the victim of violence and the victim the work of other people far smarter than me that have gone over this sort of pattern and looked at unless we turn into the those guys little gen turn into those guys. These little genital-less, mouth-less little mind readers. I've been very underwhelmed lately by people who were involved in the UFO world, unfortunately.

1:29:56 Well, I've seen the topics. But I just In terms of, like, if you had to think about And the invention of the toaster. Yeah, but that's different than me sitting here and reading your intent immediately. australian i know you probably liked uh you like the european idea. I don't know. I didn't even pay attention to that. It's a very good point. Did he wear a mask at all?

1:32:47 your ticket and find out you How about that? and the power is not coming back on and you can just fly to Cancun, I get the optics for Yes. If he went without him, do you think it would be any—I don't think anyone would even pay attention. I mean, not just a couple of days. It's not an uncommon occurrence. And then eventually, you know, my wife, the finest person I know, you know, she said,

1:35:44 It's a depo. Jamie, talk to him. I heard it. I was going to let it slide. It's depo. Home foreigner. Home Depot. What the fuck is a depo? What is it? It's a depo. Jesus Christ. I'm an American. And the manager, because I approached some guy and i said look i'm looking generator. I want a bunch of pussies, right? Really? And we get that too. So nobody's plowing the roads. So we still get people out there that don't know how to drive in the snow, then stay home. So nobody's plowing the roads.

1:38:41 What do you drive? It's a beautiful car. And this one's been, ah, yeah. Oh, look at that black one. you drive in the winter in idaho but in the summertime it's gonna be great and sluggo my What is it about the Brits where they make shitbag I'm Italian. I'll tell you right now. I don't buy Have you seen the new Defender? Toyota Land Cruiser, those things you don't have to they don't break the old land cruisers also virtually bulletproof

1:41:59 sweet that one's gonna stay on the road forever. Nice. Yeah. What year is that? That's a 70 series, right? What is that? It was souped up by Icon, so it's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it. everything and it's got like a fuck that's it on the far left that's it right there yeah that's my It's just between you and me, I mean, We'd show up somewhere and, you know, that was sort of the fleet of vehicles that we had available to us to get around.

1:43:32 90 series is the one. No, it is. But you know what I can do with it? It's broken and there it goes. You could figure out, oh, I'll replace the spark plugs. I do like them. Constant. God, I can't remember the name of the channel. these guys land rover defender but will it be our last because they kept breaking down these fucking because the other than that like i don't know what corners are cutting where their stuff sucks

1:47:15 had a Suburban before, but It's the best value sports car you can get. They went through a dark period. Come on. But that's a magical vehicle. It's not bad. the rear wheels. little car it's like it's it's fun but if i had to choose one car to drive if you said you can They're so fast, you can't believe it. because I have not been in a Tesla. go show them real quick

1:50:34 is a hybrid which is like a hybrid Well, my boy John Hennessy already takes a regular Corvette, You got to have a pickup truck. America Hennessey's awesome he does some 203.9 miles per hour the pickup that I've got now Oh, it's a beautiful car. shop that I get my repairs done out in Austin, and it was amazing. It's just such a, just the boxiness, but the chrome bumpers and the shape.

1:52:56 Nonsense. I know. Just sort of the... They did it. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's a statement, right? Whatever it is, there's this concept that says it's not just about utility, right? He had a Bel Air? That one is super customized. car. Gorgeous car. There's a lot going on with that car that doesn't... You see a lot of this in the shows nowadays.

1:56:37 probably stop at the Home Depot owned by a vicar and and garage held forever right and there was just not a not a bit of rust on this medical services downstairs to get some shots to go some shithole somewhere and you never questioned see if you have a reaction or whatever. of that day, 24 hours, my fever was spiking from like 103 down to 96, right? I mean, I was going

1:59:14 What about younger folks? I mean, he was a speechwriter for Nixon. He's been around a long time. the same thing, which is that, yeah, the second shot knocked them on their ass. It varied a little issues in the past. all afterwards yeah oh yeah yeah the next day yeah I felt fine I actually felt I feel better if I So I think that surprised a lot of people, right, the general public.

2:02:20 And then there's that Johnson & Johnson one where you take one shot, but it's not as effective. And pay attention to what the sources of information are that you're getting. What's weird is that Jamie got the, he caught covid in october he was barely sick he didn't even think he had covid he thought he had a sinus infection jamie speak for yourself i'm still strong with

2:04:11 I didn't know that was the advice. jamie who you know now has superpowers that they would push them to the back of the line basically And I don't know. Yeah. a little enamored of the uh the limelight right i think he's, you know, and that's a natural human thing, I think, but I think he, you is the inconsistency of messaging. look, there's a lot of educated guesses

2:06:35 You're eating a lot of steaks. Let me take my pants off. I was going to Puerto Rico to give a speech at a conference. So Emily came with me. move off to the taxi, and I just collapsed, right? And if my wife hadn't been with me, I would have died on that plane because everyone would have thought, you know, how the engines wind up and you get ready and people fall asleep.

2:08:27 She said, he doesn't want any fucking orange juice. I wake up on a hospital bed, staring up at the doctor who's like right there in my face, right? No, he was funny. He's a great guy, great doctor. And then he laughed, right? That was the first thing I saw when I woke up. No, he was funny. Here's your answer. that you want, and it's going to be right. And it's not. So we've had this period of time over

2:10:13 medicine is going to give you the answers right off the bat and it's going to And, uh, or a range rover or a range rover yeah so when when you had this heart attack what advice they give you in terms of like how do you keep from having one again It was very funny because they put me in this program where I show up and basically it's an exercise program. So I would go there four days a week,

2:11:24 I'd go and have coffee with Fred, and Fred you know 89 years old and we'd have a great there's a risk if we go in there. So maybe just wait and then their answer is always kind of like well if you start to feel anything then I also had colon cancer, right? to anybody as a dude, to other guys is go get your fucking colonoscopy because you don't even know

2:13:34 Like what is it about guys? then we go from there and i go immediately to another part of the hospital to get some tests I wake up from my nap a couple hours later. But they had to take out a section of it, do the surgery. As they said, it was an outlier. but I watch my diet. between red meat being bad for you, I know it sounds weird, but after the heart attack, after the cancer, I haven't changed

2:16:06 Don't get up in my face about it. But it's like a lot of other things, right? a gift and everything you know what i i kind of felt that way before, right? And so there was that moment where I get on a plane because you feel like, okay, I got no choice. give me you know give me 30 more years or whatever because what are you planning on doing in those 30

2:18:54 right? I got young boys. So I want to see them and you know people they they told stories different back then yeah yeah there was more character development and So, you know, I can move on to the next one. with Stephen Queen. Yes. And the beginning through back then, driving those race cars in the 1960s. Yeah. Yeah, and pay attention to China. And so you had this eastern Syria outpost with Iranian-backed militia, and they were engaged in

2:22:59 beyond that time when you know support our troops and we all stay you know wounded warrior and was and we should be talking about it. But we don't because we get wrapped up in domestic politics or we get wrapped up in covid or whatever it is so occasionally something like that happens oftentimes don't line up with the actual story then, right? I was combining Ted Kuhn and Ted Cruz.

2:25:05 He decides to leave the state and go to a resort in Mexico. They're going to go for the salacious thing. I mean, again, God bless them. people to realize that Trump's a fraud. It's not like you talk to him every day. Oh, New York. Yeah. the people that are in New York, Stranger things have happened in politics. With the bad dancing That was like the Big Lebowski

2:27:50 A lot of my friends. it was? She just, there's certain aspects of him. They love that movie. Jamiroquai, I think, did the music for that. yeah there he is don't worry and they really do I had my boys watch Old School the other day. Isn't it funny that it's sexist if you say Yeah, because men are all scared. She dropped me off here. Yes. you know, they're full of shit

2:31:09 But then you get called out because you exist somewhere in the center where you're trying to see that there's smart ideas on both sides. Right. Let's talk about this Capitol Hill shit. What do you think about that because we haven't talked about that yet that's happened And a lot of the noise was unnecessary. Like, this is wrong. and it's a self-inflicted wound.

2:33:30 But even now, now they have to understand that they were wrong. No one thinks that. But I think that if we allow, if we allow to normalize certain aspects of the electoral system, I think what you're doing – look, I work in fraud all the time. But we should also want to not have people who aren't citizens or whatever. Well, what I'm saying is there's a potential if we just expand the ability to vote

2:35:40 that. You want just have U.S. citizens voting for your country's elections. That's what every other country does. I think, is if your system isn't clearly explainable and transparent, if people can't There's a potential. So it probably cancels itself out? But there has to be an ability for both sides to look at the system and say it's credible So yeah, we better get this nailed down before the next election.

2:39:14 you fucking idiots you could wear a mask and you'd be totally justified nobody would ever catch you Why was it so difficult to just simply And what was – I think that's an easy thing to do, right? I know some of the people that were in the sergeant in the Sergeant of Arms office there and Capitol building and Capitol Police guys. No, because it's Washington, D.C.

2:41:31 were probably like, oh, fuck, I'm in the Capitol building. I think he thought they were going to go there and chant and scream like what has always happened. and telling them to change the election results yeah and be a patriot like that kind of shit everything's just yeah disconcerting everything's everything's a problem You got to do everything possible.

2:43:28 of the other things that we were doing. He could have – from that bully pulpit of his, he could have pushed and we probably would have won both of those elections in Georgia. So I think that what he could have done was just immediately pivot after the national election, But do you think that would have made a difference? in the lack of Of course, I hope he does.

2:45:57 What's our bet? I think it was. All kinds of good stuff. Yeah. Look, I'm happy that when it comes to UFOs, there's a lot of things that the agency needs But that's not the way the world works. How much? which is important because when you're talking about hypersonic aircraft or missiles or whatever from commander david fravor who saw that tic-tac vehicle off the coast of san diego or whatever

2:49:23 That's, It's, it's, it's not simple as like they saw something they didn't know what it logical conclusion the fravor incident i have yet to see any um information that explains it They were seeing them when Fravor's like, In fact, there's pressure to not because it's not necessarily good for your career, right, Yeah, I know, right? Can't wait to get that fucking screaming eagle in here

2:51:59 I keep it in my office now. coming up, I just got another plug-in. that's great if if some alien life force with amazing technology that we can't even fathom i'm on board that i'm good i'm good that's if I had a guess that's what I would think we wear that when we get high you watch Better Call Saul Yeah, Breaking Bad. It's not as good We are covering UFOs.

2:54:47 Yeah, I know. I'm, uh, They should. Oh, my goodness. And I think in that regard, it makes more sense. Look around. And he goes, oh, it's going to improve your game. Do you smoke or just edibles? Yeah. like Earl Strickland, What do they call it? What's that? A little more mild. It's better? I'll take you up on that. Yeah. always good to see you again.

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