Joe Rogan Experience #1619 — Claressa Shields Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day in boxing but i'm venturing off off into MMA because I really want to see am I as great as I think I am. box all you girls up it's like I'm at Jackson I was able to kick high, but not for very long. yoga um really it was the MMA fans to be honest they're like you're gonna have to stretch and you

3:39 more of a mental thing it is brutal for sure but one good thing about it is when you get that hot and he's one of the most flexible guys i've ever seen in my life oh insanely flexible but flexible everywhere his spine is flexible he can he can bend over Go to that one right there with the dude with the blue shorts right in front where he head kicks his dude.

5:29 Just the bag, right? right yeah just the bag itself then when we went up to the pads i'm like coach do you got softer pads serious he's like champ these are my softest ones i'm like Head kicks. How did you get to Jackson Winklejohn? I may look like I'm a beast out there, but it have a lot of skill I may look like I'm a beast out there but it takes a lot

7:07 you you can't I already had signed a contract Oh, boy. You're still... and my body isn't even in its prime. I was hoping it was 26. Is John Jones 22 or 23? He's the world title at 22. It's like, you can. Or was it 23? Was John Jones 22 or 23? Okay. So they understand their body better. so when did you start training in mma december just december and how often are you

10:42 until I have my actual fight so is the plan to You know? Like she was just, when she got close to you, she just wanted to hold on. Like she's done. I'm like, what the hell just happened? That's what it was for me. people try to pump up challengers in a way that they don't even you know that's what I'm trying to do. your way you're you're you're so advanced in comparison like technique wise ability wise

14:35 And she's been retired for a long time. And that's what I didn't like about Hammer either. happy because of that because they're giving her more um more props on her skills which i feel like she didn't really see if you can find leila Ali's last professional boxing fight. Was it really? I started boxing in 2006. And there was a lot of girls who wanted to fight her.

16:57 screaming at him in the corner? out bonda ward that was my whole thing but it I feel for Layla that she retired kind of early. Yeah, I think she needs to just show me how to sleep a girl. It was only one thing she said one time. well, break their body down, the next thing to go is their mind. Yeah, but they were saying like, oh, you need to go see a doctor.

19:28 well, here go the note. Get my fucking money back. to get out of training and fake injuries I know what I feel and I couldn't run or sprint for almost like three weeks. Wow. Yeah, from 2014 to and I just was like, look, I'll do the american coaches to having a coach from ireland his name name was Billy Walsh he came over me and my great relationship now I love Billy

22:26 You don't know me like that. said that it was like whoa wrong wrong engine man no and I have to let him know like you don't talk Their body is sore. But when you break down somebody's body, like, it can be discouraging for some people. So I like to feel good during training training i feel like that's when you get against guys who's 28 29 who done knocked out other grown men I'm in a gym knocking them out

25:51 When we're running, you better come in first place. really set up set up sparring for me because i'm like i won won't spar. He's like, I don't care for sparring. now this sparring match has turned into a fight and i'm dropping dudes with body shots i mean i'm because I'm like, I feel like that's just best for my men to know. like like do you do you know how to fight yes so why do I need to spar I think once I spar and I

28:21 You obviously know your body very, very well. you hit me with a belt i never talked to you again i was one of those kids you better off And he didn't get whoopings or nothing, which he probably needed a few more than what he got, to be honest. this is with me 11 years old and for the next few months whenever I seen him we went over his house it was holidays I'm

30:47 i'm explaining to him like no she broke the broom on me i didn't break the broom my dad whoops both I'll do all the work. Cause it was like, So it was like, on the same level and he thought that it will it would kind of be easier for him i guess but it's I do all that myself. like a jester a little bit i need somebody to you know wash my clothes for me get my bag together

33:10 You know, just for when I'm like... I just get mad. So I would rather have somebody right there who's like, Hey, man, it's the champ. know who i am like i just get mad so i would rather and then you have to deal with that and that's why i only have one person with me i just got an assistant my last fight her name's leah and she was so helpful And it's like she don't know which one.

35:05 Right. everybody says it, He got like an entourage everywhere he go. I don't know about all that. pretty boy floyd when he was younger it was very aggressive and knocked a lot of guys up then had 50 it's real but conor had zero professional boxing fights it's almost almost unfair. But it was a fight, and Conor can crack. He had a few fights. But Floyd was so clever.

37:24 As he got older, he seemed like, okay, I may not be as fast as I was here, And just the way that he went out there and, you know, to 152 right wasn't that the the weight they agreed to yeah but it was a fight at 54 yeah like that anyway, though. He won. comes back and Did he? We'll pull it up. one yeah he's the only one did you got a schedule for some reason it doesn't have his uh fight

40:18 Manny Pacquiao's the president, right? literally doesn't have his professional boxing record? That's the strangest shit I've ever heard. So where's the third one at? But there's also a lot of shit going on with that fight. saying like Floyd didn't want to fight it's pretty nuts. Oh, yeah. no doubt about it and bottom line is they fought once floyd beat him they're talking about fighting

43:03 Us as fighters get that from fans. getting all the stuff that i need back you know all the attention and all the eyes but us as fighters sometimes we need that that's why it's hard for us to retire that's probably also why yeah so there's always like women fighters have always up for unfortunate reasons, have had a limited number of rivals. So the women that you see,

44:59 And Lucia Ryker, who people still don't know. But that's what I'm saying. want to do because it's not looked at as ladylike you know talking trash is not ladylike being being She said she's coming to defend her title and go back home. I felt super disrespected, so they wanted me to be all nice to her and i kept telling them like no i'm fucking her up i don't

48:05 yeah who don't know earl spence regular people like if you think about how many people who knew it would be like you know you think of like boxers that were famous boxers back then they entertainment you're just constantly getting overwhelmed with shit so for a girl my point shadows that the boxing fans knew was a killer and they was like boy I really would love to see that fight. You know what I'm saying? Like women's boxing just for whatever reason, it didn't, has not had the play.

50:48 Yes. like, they'll put other guys on the undercard of i'm at like a stuck point like i did my own pay-per-view but it's like i still like why can't Because clearly there's a lot of attention paid to female MMA fighters. You could just go down the line. I'm a women's advocate. it's not true because if you want to look up something right now if you look up clarissa

54:11 when he just came back or the the most recent one that you're talking about right because I think managers and agents you know i've i've i've had conversations with i think i had maybe a few Like, okay, well, maybe if you guys gave me eight weeks of promotion like you do the men, we had did that and they were you know putting some time and money behind it and um that was

56:43 like where is our wbc champion Yeah, I feel like I have to do more than just fight. people would know you're making a lot of money and they would watch more that's the reality one fighting with Showtime when it was fight week I would gain about 25 25,000 followers said, you are the person for the job. You know, this is not the job for nobody else. God put you

1:00:02 But I would love to just focus on fighting, though. um MMA organization had already reached out to me prior like you know Dana he wanted me to do get punched in my face or something i don't know really go in there and just take risk and get punched in my face or serious offer it wasn't like hey come over here fight our best girl Kelly I just get on the phone and I listen.

1:02:54 me having an option if I wanted to fight in the tournament next year without boxing for a year so I hadn't made any things in terms of acquiring big talent. Yeah. And with you, with this incredible record in boxing and such accolades in boxing, the two of you together, that's a legitimate super fight down the road. so I already knew Kayla before I had joined the PFL.

1:05:45 Like, I like when people compare the fight and say, oh, like, No. victory so for me right now um it's just learning and training and getting ready, preparing for whoever I get in there with. and I've already looked up all the girls who are in the PFL league this year Are you just going to, like, when you have a boxing match, So I'll only do MMA until I have my first MMA fight in the middle of June.

1:08:55 right now is that what's happening no i've already been saying that like i tell the middle of june I'll be there three weeks and go home on weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So tell me what the training's been like. It was like, what the fuck? car and I'm like dude thanks but it would have been great to hear from you like last week you I'm like, let's go.

1:11:30 But like my first day going to Jackson Wing Gym, I looked at the cages and stuff. I'm like, Jesus, what am I doing here? I said it out loud. I'm so out of my mind. I thought I said it in my head. I'm just so like, uh, what are you most worried about? And all of a sudden, he just was like, I think I had one training injury just where I was like, man, this is so hard today.

1:13:23 You know, I didn't feel like I was. I just want to know what to do when it does happen. You understand your body at a very, very high level. I think you could be a world-class grappler, 100%. just got to see how much i can consume. Because some days they teach me so much. So when I'm at home, No? in a wrestling tournament or a jiu-jitsu tournament or something like that someday? Nope. I don't look at that because Coach Tusa, who's my MMA coach,

1:16:18 Like, I think I'm so competitive that when I found out about, like, the color of the belts in jiu-jitsu, I'm like, oh, I got to be black belt. But right now, we want you just to do it, just to learn it with MMA style. No. So do you do just plain but um oh I see an arm bar let me try to grab it you know just being like that but at first I was three minutes compared to five.

1:18:42 I've done some kickboxing sparring with other fighters i situation oh no it's not it's not difficult you got accustomed to think of in a boxing situation? No, it's not difficult. What is the defense to a head kick? stance and throwing kicks and stuff and then coaches they sprawl or coaches say you know go And then I believe like the next week will be going into the live stuff.

1:21:26 what anything in life really was boxing is the first thing that i that i ever really truly loved Even if we fought at her weight class, 145, 155, anything with me. 140, 147. Y'all pay me for that. Like, Now you're going to tell me that's what i'm saying like when she goes in there and she knocks out a girl two rounds shorter, and then I get paid way less money.

1:24:16 quick yeah oh they're gonna be like lightning lightning and i'm i'm stronger you know like That's what I said. I'm not like a person that bench weight every day. Like, my boyfriend's a fitness trainer up at the gym up in, like, but I will also do like a lot of HIIT cardio too but when it came to strength some days I'm like Yeah. would grab me yeah so i would just say like i did notice how much stronger i was and how much

1:27:36 she was gone from every fight. anything different in terms of strength and conditioning for mma when you So I do like a lot of burpees. And just also, I think simulation is super important. But I have to get that experience before I get in a cage in June. So when it comes to strength and conditioning and stuff, two three years so that's how i make weight for my fights with perfecting athletes

1:31:07 And so do you supplement? I think I've tested things on me to see, like okay, like something that's big for me is just sleep. And that's sometimes like a pre-workout, before-workout. Yeah. morning like a little b12 tablet but and also have like a sleep ring it's in my purse but screens it fucks with you because your body thinks it's night it's daytime your body thinks it's the

1:33:50 And you can supplement with melatonin. you know if you can drink today you can have drink today, or you need to do all water. No, I'm sure. Look, I don't doubt that you have a lot of things in your mind i mean you They're just too hot. can i leave the door open and like No to get the full effect I'm okay with that door shutting So I do like the sauna room.

1:36:25 but after a hard sparring session i go home for a couple hours and i hit up my masseuse brenda like Like, fuck that shit. Different guys. And I actually care. God just blessed me with the sense of just don't care. Dude, this is hilarious. The way you do anything is the way you do everything. Relationship stuff. You wouldn't have to worry about it do you know what i'm saying like the the issue is oftentimes is that

1:39:52 What do they have in common? I'm getting the entourage. yeah and that's a problem for me is how you're gonna be a friend Like, what is wrong with you? Nope. and that's one of the things that people don't like what people love to think they're a badass well that's that's all positive right all right like when you see someone who's doing well it'd be like you know what let me skip about eight comments because some stuff like all right this is good stuff here but it's again you're just

1:43:13 yourself from the communication line. and you get addicted to like reading responses People get addicted to those things. And you get addicted to, like, reading responses. I'm sure you're going to hear them no matter what. How weird. That shit pissed me off so bad. And that's what he wants. Come on now. I'm not even going to say it. Well, that's just sad.

1:45:57 Oh, my God. that was kind of kind of scary well that's don king's whole world you know his whole world has that did him dirty. but MMA promoters, yeah like i like to look at the bigger picture of things because that's what keeps me motivated So it's like I can't even think about ufc like I think the PFL is making some good moves. amazing have to see with these three years hope and then after that but you know like I actually

1:48:58 you should have another UFC fight before you fight they're like, oh, she's another James Toney. Because I can be egotistical, know and be cocky like oh forget that jiu-jitsu But you should be confident in your ability as a boxer. But I was going to do that anyway. Me and Chris Cyborg did our sparring a year prior to that fight. To you know On the edge about sparring they didn't

1:52:28 An MMA fighter Up on a profile Cause she was trying I've never seen it. And from my sparring, I would say that Chris Cyborg definitely could do great in boxing. All she needs is a few months to actually focus on just boxing. and cyborg fought her and they i think it was five rounds but uh Like, nobody wanted to fight her. So when they were talking with you,

1:55:42 that they kind of wanted me to get the 145 and and I just was like, hmm. So the PFL is really the only option right now in terms of that weight class, right? Probably. 55 is good. A lot of girls kill themselves to make those weights. But it's even like that in boxing. Well, listen, Clarissa, you're a champion in life, i thought it'd be like you know kind of like some written rule like he can't kick me or he can't

1:58:35 It'd be terrible. He made them fight his game. Too smart? No, that's's what I'm saying. I thought he would have been over. He's too smart for that. He made them fight his game. It takes a lot of heart to come with something that you don't know and do it. No. Same. and really elevate the sport. Of course. Thanks, Joe.