Joe Rogan Experience #1630 — Dan Crenshaw Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day This was already And so we converted this. Okay. like an alien would answer it i would think um so i don't know did it work did it what do you think them? It doesn't explain existence. expand at an exponential rate. and things that you can weigh is just the experience organisms as they evolve and then eventually you get something that's sentient and also can alter its environment.

4:18 for not just life but life creating technology that we don't even we can't even wrap our heads around you know and then you you wouldn't notice he would just be a guy he wouldn't be any different than you couldn't google shit on it i mean there's so many things that we can do now. just don't know how to believe it i don't know how somebody can believe it why not do you believe in

7:16 It's not meant to explain anything. is a little bit more libertarian than that, i'm not saying it would fix it i'm saying it might be an alternative reality like it might be that's one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. of galaxies so the universe being infinite it's it's it's too big for dumb people like you and i He was saying that through probability theory, it is

10:30 I'm trying to be cool about that theory because I don't want Elon to know I'm tricking him. After all the thought. Like, we're, like, about to create the simulation, He's got some knucklehead ideas. class I ever took was quantum mechanics and it just becomes math, right? And I was not an into particles and superpositions you're like wait what the fuck are you talking about it's both

12:36 That's why it's fascinating. and between objects themselves i mean quantum entanglement is when you can entangle these two meaning meaning like it's like a peer-to-peer encryption quantum encryption it allows people Uh-uh. That's your drinking weird Kool-Aid. You know, life itself is very bizarre. up there's going to become a point in time where...

15:33 That's probably 50 years in the future where you're going to be able to put on a haptic Yeah. that confusing shit like what are you talking about no we're better off right now like right right about whether to lock down or not to lock down, about whether people liked masks or didn't like masks. And at first, that seems really odd. And so I spent a lot of time

18:06 never stopped so it didn't it was not clear to me then that that was the only reason but it's but That might be some explanation there. they see that their brains light up differently. So that's interesting. So we clearly assess risk conservative is to believe that government can only do so much, right? There's life out there, Well, it's possible that if you're 15, you could die.

20:49 Right. And Chris Rock has a great bit about this. And this is, but it's one of his best points ever because that makes up their mind before But that's so accurate, is that what a lot of people are afraid of to bully people online. And that's what you see. There's a lot of like low status males, a lot of going to be you know uh anti-homophobic or anti-transphobic or whatever it is and they're

24:33 simulation theory you know and we shouldn't be like well you're a fucking idiot joe rogan that's You're interested in supporting your gang. And we tend to look for betrayers in our midst. Left is paranoid sometimes, too. And then in politics, as you're talking about, we put on these jerseys. I mean, and it looks cool, but I'm going to die, okay? And instead of saying, I knew you were going to say that, let me tell you why it's wrong. Let me

28:05 Susan Collins is a rhino. Because it's a way to bypass debate. Name-c because it's a way to bypass debate. not useful even if you think it's true then explain why it's true on that particular issue and what tends to happen and this happens certainly on both sides is is that sort of Well, what issue do you want to talk about? Wouldn't it be nice if everybody had healthcare?

30:01 to good health care? here's where I get conservative I think we should also make people personally or not understanding the nature of crime Human nature matters. And these classically liberal ideas Yes. Yeah, we all agree on that. Don't worry. there's trade-offs associated to pay for the amount of care question that's the problem um that's it you're talking in the aggregate and look in like nordic

33:49 That's the trade-off. And the second trade-off per episode, well, you're recalculating talked about. When it comes to your next generation drug, that's made mostly by American Like essential drugs? Like there's a hierarchy of drugs? Like essential drugs? Because we make it? So we get something. Canada when they have things that can't be solved there because it takes them six months to get an

37:30 school. You definitely have less of an incentive to go to be a primary care doctor. All of these Now think about, here's something else we agree on that people need, food, right? It's like if you give someone food stamps, should you say, well, you can only buy real food? No. put your money into that health savings account the government if you can't afford health care

39:43 You might have that. that money on a debit card for the poor. Explain what you're saying. When you're talking about that It doesn't have improved outcomes? it's not for whatever reason it's it's not So if you have no health insurance and you worry that this is going to put you in debt for the rest of your life, trying to figure out like what's the same action like if you have someone who has health insurance versus someone who doesn't have health

42:40 getting with that you're getting a much you you've you've driven profits out of the system completely how do you do that what bernie sanders wants how do you merge the two the government should just confiscate all this technology and distribute it equally maybe i still don't think it would work those choices. Okay, it's not saying we're going to leave you out to dry. It's saying,

44:37 might be paying 60 to 70% of the cost of a procedure. Like if you say, but I understand that. But if you say it costs X amount to repair an ACL surgery, And this gets to another problem that the Trump administration fixed, which is price transparency. Because this is the other thing. Nobody seems to know how much anything costs. Okay, so the way we price out how much things cost in healthcare is based on these formularies that are derived from CMS, which is Medicare.

46:11 They say, look, here's our prices. or she is there all the time. So what do you do about insurance? Go back to the food stamp analogy. Means tested, how so? It means if you're poor, you poor you get more if you're you you don't get any money but when you on it i mean that that that that that problem already exists how so in the sense that we have private insurance out there and

48:09 It's complicated. subsidizes that insurance plan when it gets too expensive. That's probably just insurance. And so you get waivers, and then you set up your reinsurance program at the state level. choice and competition. And you're empowering the patient to actually choose. In Medicare for All, I would lay this out. still get on medicaid um doctor what makes someone qualified for medicaid it's a means tested so it's

51:11 anybody or to any of the people studying this who've done, again, there's a lot of university Have you argued with anybody on the left about this? That's it. And everything has trade-offs. There are no solutions solutions in policy making there are only trade-offs and if we're not honest about the trade-offs with See, I can name my principles. It seems to me that every time they propose a solution to a problem that we agree is a problem and needs to be solved,

53:58 Okay, just raise the minimum wage. And there might be better solutions. And there's real life risks, real risks. It is really weird. American Resilience in the Era of Outrage. That should be a quote. Everything else I do is hard. it is but it's that that's it's it's fact check it's i'm just being honest it's time it's all You should have high self-esteem no matter what.

58:09 Everyone has been low. where you didn't know that you had the capacity that you can get to and you just want Trees exist. They don't ask for anything. What you should be doing is trying to figure out what makes you satisfied. But forcing yourself and then getting to the bright light of success. a navy seal who's wearing an eye patch for a fucking reason because you're a blown up right

1:01:38 There's a problem where we have to get guys to sleep on Friday because they have, it's almost like they're elated. is gone. And then you get blown up and who knows, but, but that moment is special because there's People are always trying to talk about populism on the right and the left. are for sixteen hundred dollar checks that are free that doesn't mean it's a good policy right

1:03:31 No, of course not. And we have to get away from this victimhood mentality help right now. That used to be the sort of American way, right? We need a safety net. their jobs of course what yeah if you did the cutoff was like 75k a year so that means a minute I thought you had to lose your job. They didn't lose any money. I mean, do your duty and go spend it on a local business.

1:06:11 Usually state-run unemployment insurance runs at – it's at a formula that would make sure that you're not making more than you would have if you were already employed because you don't want to have a disincentive to go back to work. I have so many job openings right now. That's at least a debate to be had during hard times. in 2020, they got a big check for no reason.

1:07:18 They didn't ask for it. or the ex-president, Donald Trump, the president I voted for, he's still but he didn't think he lost he thought he was still in every conversation the one percent maybe it's those those%. Maybe it's those mean corporate giants. Yeah. Is that what they... maybe they don't understand how it's written out they're pulling their I have an ID.

1:10:40 You have to have a photo ID? And if you lose your driver's license, you can still get a photo ID, right? They have it in their heads. They don't care about them, first of all. where they believe what they're saying? It's about mail-in ballots. signature verification i'm not a fan of signature verification because you could forge someone's I don't like the way this is done in any state.

1:13:07 Or the second possible reason, the election official did the wrong thing and threw out a valid ballot. but how do you know like what if you vote and they say your signature is no good? Yeah, well, then you can cure it. but what is the disparity between the left and the right when it comes to mail-in ballots i'm No no no no No you are stuck in a line

1:14:55 I passed by a voting line. I voted for California, but through Texas. I went post office. I understand what you're saying. they touch it all right all right they scan it and then they put it in a bag and then i leave Yeah. double mask on fucking the same thing with voting but you can't you gotta it's one day but the Yeah. He said Pennsylvania is going to look like it's going to be Republican in the beginning,

1:18:26 expected that so okay so right fine i'll assume that their intentions are pure and they're and then also say that it's less dangerous to go to the grocery store than it is to go there's no way that they want fucker you no way that they want a system that just makes it easier to generally have some organic voter fraud. California, I just tell them my name. I don't show them an ID. Now, I could sell them any name.

1:20:20 In the proper area You don't have to show your ID. My perspective is, why is it okay that I bank online, but I can't vote online? to go to a store and buy hundreds of dollars worth of food with my face look at my face i put it next With all the banks. 155. And you know how easy it would be to do six votes? Especially if you're dealing I can figure out how I would cheat in California.

1:23:30 can go and fudge my ballot after i've given it in either this makes me feel happy this makes me feel They're not. God, why? Why are they doing that? I think... God, why? Like, someone tells you, like, And what do they do? the best women's boxer in the world she's got a good argument and she brought it on the podcast So the idea that the president of the United States would say that women whatever should be paid the same as male whatever,

1:26:33 as the male nfl players like okay like how many people are going like where's the revenue coming i can't wear a joe biden shirt and give you water but that's the case in texas by the way you're not because they make millions and millions of dollars a month. The person. across and escape border like i said that like a mexican yeah yeah see what i did there yeah

1:29:05 had it this was a weird moment in history it is a weird moment in history I was there in 98 to 2002 And part of that is there is something about the Colombian culture with an adherence to a basic sense of Western justice and rule of law that they were eventually able to climb out of this. business don't don't ask any more questions did you you ever see that tv show uh trafficked

1:30:52 and dry them out in the field. You can go destroy these fields, Yeah, and that's what it is. You know, it's easy to get into a fight with ISIS I can explain it in detail if you'd like it basically started in 2014 because of a court settlement or less in the last year They do tend to advocate for open borders, so it's totally possible. I mean, me and the left.

1:34:18 Rose-colored glasses. I mean, it might not be perfect. to deteriorate that process to the greatest extent so that more and more people come across. African countries, especially. but will you explain to people that don't understand what we're talking about what's And so this is a bill that would do it. So, you know, spare me is what I say to them. because it hurts their bottom line.

1:37:18 Anything that you say, It seems like that's a much easier solution. is help them get IDs because they need IDs for everything. If you really believe this was a problem, and I know they don't because they're disingenuous, because it seems like we're we're arguing from one position right well a me i'm just curious and you look they're against voter id laws period why i don't understand why well the stated reason that

1:39:51 passed it out this session, questionable whether it would get through the Senate. It's ridiculous to assume they don't have IDs. There's literally zero. it's always a lie, right? I'm going to end your suffering. Gets back to our original conversation. different from liberal politics, by the way. How do we bring everybody together? Yeah, that's actually a great point.

1:43:02 Remember I said this before, the right deals with paranoia. The left deals with power. Yeah. thing they do they tell you that i'm the traitor yeah i'm the rhino i'm like i have to earn your There's a thing that happens, whether you're left or you're right, where you're looking Explain that to people. but at least you're making some kind of rationale.

1:45:33 Yeah, they just totally shifted. the integrity of the office, but there was also a fascinating aspect of it is that after the election was over they wanted to This is fascism, this forced conformity. Authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, government headed by a dictatorial leader severe economic and social It says, because it says often race, but not necessarily.

1:49:09 They do. The right wing of Europe does tend to be hyper-nationalistic in an ethno-nationalistic way. And that's what I trend on Twitter once a week. I mean, I don't. I'm like, we will not stand by and watch this anymore. So now it's getting serious. I think that needs to happen. That's where it gets dangerous right and that's where we where you have really

1:52:50 think the left does it in a much distant more disingenuous and malevolent way because i mean Because it's rude. It's easy to provide that I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I still have friends there. lot of things that they don't like and they like and and then when you add they didn't like the Everybody should be. The style argument is, well, you should be. Everybody should be.

1:55:58 Well, you're a reasonable guy. categorized or labeled and you know you're one of them and uh most people are like that but i but But my sense from these past elections is that America is a center-right country he would lose on on characteristics do you think if the pandemic didn't election, he would win on the issues all the time. And then he would lose on characteristics.

1:57:48 Yeah. but um they didn't they didn't work for people people didn't like him now i see past it because for COVID. COVID graph of a deal with. Or better. I do know Texas continues to decline rapidly. You lived in LA. It's a better place. Now, I think it's getting a little worse. And I've never been able to raise rent on it. again is a fair i guess i mean if you don't want things built there and you you advocate against

2:02:09 illness or drug addiction, but a lot of them are young, able-bodied people engaging in what looks your problem where you can just sort of slide into some sort of predetermined yeah thing and We're going to allow you to camp out Right, but in Austin. You've got to go to downtown LA now. There's tens of thousands of people in tents on the street that's it's that's real that's a real number the exodus

2:04:47 But when they would go down to San Diego, Depends on if you're a pot junkie. is that there's no there's like and i i think a lot of this is accentuated by social media and these uh these echo chambers that people engage in it's like people are more and more Like let's, instead of saying that this is all racist and terrible, i'm like why is this the one thing you don't want regulated because like every other aspect of life

2:07:10 That's what they say, but in practice, And if you don't, then that's a real problem. So if that's the problem, then by all means, let's fix that. communities because of COVID and that we need to keep doing things and taking excessive action Okay, I think there should be an alliance between real liberals and conservatives in the future, Brett Weinstein.

2:09:13 And you want nice things. on how to find solutions for those problems. be changed. Conservatives are good at finding the solutions for that change that maintains the good Because there's a lot of people that use that term, classical liberal, and it's like, what do you believe? They want for themselves selfishly, And then some grifter will come along,

2:11:46 discipline and hard work and decades, decades in the trenches? Because you're dealing with identities. That's a really bad place to be. They want to bring us back to that moment in history. because like the and a lot of the well-intentioned people on the left tend to they're well-intentioned this is what I mean. and also and also is it really even scientific given the trends that we're seeing i mean in all

2:14:59 Yeah. But that's personal. I don't know what it is either. You got to keep living. There's a lot of people. you're giving this is why america has lost trust in their public health officials because they But he said the reason why he said that And why are you saying that now? Say if you get vaccinated. And he's a doctor, by the way. as are you. And also the average age is, I believe it's over 78.

2:18:54 You know? You can in a year's time. people that were dying personal responsibility. Everything causes cancer, but this whiskey causes cancer. care is so expensive you know and our insurance is so expensive because you do have when you paying That's a big part of it, man. and it's pretty hardcore. Sounds like you do. You're a bully. Here's a way we can improve your fitness.

2:23:36 i think it's 40 of the people have gained an average of 30 pounds yeah i don't get that Yeah, that's true. Are you? And my gym, this is early days, back when we were all in it together. Fuck you. So they were like, hey, if you want to check out equipment. like everything's on zoom like i really didn't wasn't doing anything that didn't last all that

2:26:02 based so this is what hold on really more to that across the The dining outside is a big one. because one is completely controlled are there but i mean there's at least 20 million people in Los Angeles. Can we agree to that? That's pretty much Anyway. If you try to drive. It doesn't take a year. It's more It says 4.7. And for COVID in particular, trends were basically the same. Los Angeles

2:29:19 It's less. It's just under five. the difference between houston and la it's a lot of people that's an interesting way to look at it You're punished. By the way, Houston isston is very it affects your bottom line very very blue Austin's weird blue. only in Harris County my district is an urban suburban district and I win by 13 14 points that's yes, They should be punished.

2:32:22 to get asylum right isn't it yes however however only about 10 to 15% end up making that cut. and you go, you know, United States, Right, but outside of asylum, what are their other options? All around the world. they said well you know and they they give their line like well we're fleeing like poverty i mean managed to escape, because you have to, because the first step to this process is, you know, proving that you have

2:35:38 in Mexico City. A portion? confused why would you have a percentage of them stay in mexico city because it's a disincentive It's just like a head count thing. It's like a slang term. and more they're more open to this idea of open borders the reason why they're doing is because because you want them to eventually become same people that allowed them to get into the country,

2:38:42 That's one of the weird things about Miami. So, you know, again, I don't know. is moral and and do we give people a free pass because they had a geographical advantage to to It's a court case. population. When we do a deportation order in America, we don't like lock them up and put them on a plane. No, the Border Patrol is not testing people. that's helping these people.

2:41:40 turned out to be positive for COVID? as I understand it. there like sardines yep what did you think about that i think um i think it's proof that the bite And that's what conservatives are trying to explain to people. You have to adhere to the process. a Republican when he's talking about the rule of law. you can if the objective is the same. Right.

2:44:27 But we have an issue with illegal immigration. in the last session um along these lines like look let's invest in this this is a worthy investment I mean, look, you had, what was it? they're going down an interesting track right now, It was so easy for them to engage in these agreements with them. He's probably the most bipartisan member that I can think of.

2:47:01 out there that that you can just group hispanics into this category and it's just not true as somebody who grew up in south america um you know i think i understand How do we come together? You have different dispositions, and those dispositions are rooted in psychology. fundamentally transform human nature the way you'd like to because these different dispositions

2:49:54 they just don't know all of the facts. And sometimes they just legitimately do know all and we created a system. Can you imagine that? The more we try to veer from that, the more we're going to end up in these pockets, If you can't, Okay? more. Yeah. change my mind in a really big way, and that's fine. about it and let's have rational conversations online even my supporters will be like i'll go

2:53:26 And that's what you're sensing. from a policy perspective from Reagan's. Not soon.