Joe Rogan Experience #1634 — Jack Carr Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience which is odd because the guy does the girl Something like that, at least four. Well, supposedly Tarantino made a 20-hour cut of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. 20 hours? HBO Max or whatever and just put it as I saw the first one, the first cut, rather, at the Tacoma Dome. Yeah, that's the way to do it. fun movie. Flamethrower at the end. It's fantastic.

3:09 You've got to trust that they're not going to talk to each other or be loud. that exit rather than just like chaos. So I identify those things. I talk to the kids about the time. I'm like, I'm like ready. Cause I'm training, I'm boxing, you know, I'm doing all you know, that's why we had so many people quit, Today, right? And when they start doing that and people have the option of staying home,

5:24 And you see them texting. The light thing down and you see them texting, So you just have to take that risk of, you know, going and unfortunately running into knuckleheads. You had no options. see if it's in the return bin. And the other thing is, like, people are watching movies on their phones now. watching their shows on this thing. That was such a great experience

7:06 that anymore. Well, there's something about the film, you have to write the script. someone's labor like I know they sat down like with you we're friends so it's cool so I know that I'm being, this is someone's labor. Like I know they sat down. There's something great about movies where you see it all and it's wild and you know it's creative. But your imagination, some of those things are filled in. You know what the trees look like. You know what the cliff looks like. You know what the water looks like, you're enjoying it. You're part of this experience, but your imagination, like some of those things are filled in, you know, what the trees look like, you know, what the cliff looks like, you know, what the water looks like, cause you're seeing it. But

9:16 main characters that had backgrounds that I wanted in real life one day. So I just naturally It is very different. I feel like we should be able to talk about it No fucking way. Then they filmed it again. Weird. He goes, first of all, he goes, the guy is still, he's still in great shape, I love it. Gosh, he's got to be 70-something, right? Yeah, it's almost 90.

11:12 Yeah, it's amazing. or the TV adaptations or whatever it was, Yeah, for a visual. It's just the first one. What did I start with? And then depending on Chris's schedule and Antoine's schedule and how everything looks, Yeah. that sort of thing. to the first two Yeah, so James Reese. You have Jack Ryan. So do you feel like you just hit gold? another book and you know

14:38 no maybe not I don't know I feel like I knew something Yeah. Were you there while that was happening? So January of 2018, before it even hits shelves, Chris Pratt options it because my dear friend He's so nice. And for it's he's perfect for that role I think that was Antoine wasn't supposed to post that, And it's one of those guys, like, when you meet him and you're in his presence, like, something's different.

17:13 And plus we had like 12 SEALs on set, guys that I knew in the teams that are there playing SEALs or acting in it or doing stunt coordination or technical advising or whatever it is. for a week on set to take your work if you're not J.K. Rowling and like realistically you're not going to read this book in an hour and a half or two hours or Oh, I love it.

18:53 Incredible. Right. And then he stuffs it in his mouth. Boom. i love it yeah it's on me exactly i love it boom i have to use that it's uh yeah i actually was I think so. Yeah, so it made sense that he would make a movie like that. It's fun. Taron is, he's so, first of all, when you watch him shoot, it's so inspiring. You know, I mean, it's amazing to watch.

20:58 were there as well too, and you get to see them shoot. I know. Well, it's Ventura County. my first time down this path and my experience was so great, you know, knowing Chris and, There's some normal actors. Like asking questions about the book. So he comes in at the end of the first book. African accent. Anyway, we might talk that one off. you didn't get the right,

22:54 but, You know, Like, what you wear, your boots, your belt, your pistol, all those things tell me a story about you. And the prop house guys are amazing. one after the show, after they film. Yeah. You need one of those. Well, you already have one. They're like velvet prisons. Yeah. You have this rifle, this handcrafted rifle that someone made. I go, what the fuck are you saying?

25:40 Four headlights. Like if you see like an FJ40, regular people think they look cool. I see that right there. That's nice right there. That fucking paint scheme's got to go. I tried to get him to do one for me, and they're done. Yeah, that is. That is it. That is it right there, boom. That's the Jack Car Land Cruiser right there. That's the one. That's tight. That is the one.

26:58 And in the book, it's a white one, So now when you notice a movie, you won't notice too many white vehicles. I was like, yeah, you know, not just, you're not, And I didn't really know how much it was going to help. Yeah, I mean, showing up in the military, That's it. faster, further, like that sort of thing, And when you mention, hey, like like Danny designs packs and, you know, he was like kind of a he's now at Mystery Ranch, but like he was a super innovator.

29:36 Like, I'm doing an FJ40. So if I get a ding, I won't be like, no. We've identified it. He's got a green FJ40 in that thing. rugged older dude but it just was and then when I saw one later Nice. So yeah, I saw that in- But some of the advertisements, have you seen the advertisements from the 60s and 70s for these things? Really? You can go online. And Jacques Cousteau, I think, wore one.

32:12 And when you look at the prices for them back in the day. There you go. for that. So they brand it Rolex And Toyota probably wishes and Rolex probably wishes that these would go away because now it's more, hey, tennis and golf and sponsorships like that, sailing, that sort of thing. I think that's the legend behind the creation of the Explorer. to the peak of Mount Everest.

33:52 How dope is that? Is it called Explorer there? Okay, so the Oyster Perpetual, This watch was produced in 1950 and was never purchased commercially. to wear during the expedition was that an automatic? I'm assuming it was, right? It wasn't a windup. Even if it was a windup, I mean, that's Okay. I'd never put it on my wrist again. But this is one from 1981, I think.

36:02 And it's cool. Nice, I know. I saw that when you walked in. This is my main phone. the two phones going now trying to figure all that out people out man it's it was insane you know what I do I have a 20 minute time limit for Instagram so if I have to No. They know you're very, very, very busy right now. just leaving the military, following this next passion in life,

38:40 It's in the bed. Yeah, we're going to get that out to a fulfillment center, I think. What is the entire timeline? And killing it. that I stayed on theme for each book, So I've had no... Yeah, they changed That's what I, so I was like, yes, so that's what he actually did. And he's like, that's not what I said on this podcast. and that's what has the enemy learned by watching us in the field of battle for the last 20 years of war?

41:23 and who knows what people have sent me over the years. So I outlined this thing in my notebook Well, the middle. When I talked to you last time when we were here in early May of last year, I was in the middle of it. And I ran into a problem. thing that we have here in the United States. but what we're in now is different because there's opportunists now,

43:56 There's this woman named Renee DiResta and she came on the podcast a little over a year And they do crazy shit. She reviewed thousands and thousands and thousands of memes, and she said some of them are really then they would switch the theme They jump in and then they engage in it, whether it's on Facebook or Instagram or whatever it is. And I think we both know some good people that would be really good at that job, though.

46:16 There might be. It actually has a name to it. Yep. and we're just suckers for it yeah we're the perfect environment we're the perfect group of in the same time. especially if I disagreed with you. I'm sticking out. fascinating to watch, especially if you grew up in a time where that was the one thing that we could things that are kind of associated rather directly or indirectly.

49:51 that they're going to get canceled themselves and it's going to hurt their bottom line so they're So it seems financially, I don't know, Then things get weird. and influence the way other people think and behave. than any other country or person and really in the history of the world. If they do have COVID passports, what's going to happen is they're just going to apply that

52:17 you have a phone, right? If you have a driver's license and you go to the airport, you don't have Make sure those people are punished. So we're going to do this. it does start off as a way with a good intent. And the police came to his house. It's probably some fucking nutty AOC reporter or supporter, rather. Here it goes. No, no, no. So I can read

55:17 to say the very least. He puts it up on Twitter. Her response was incredibly underwhelming, to say the very least. None of that. Underwhelming, to say the least. Which is be stopped. We have to stop. None of that. None of that. None of that. It is. asks you a question about a book report and you didn't really Yeah, yeah. I think it was most likely a crazy person that is angry at this guy for not towing the liberal line.

57:51 Yeah. Did that happen recently? abilities to defend themselves and their families or to start a business or whatever it might be, to follow your dreams, Well, you know what happens then? There's incentives to discipline. You have the option. rights of these people to have guns, then there'll not be any mass shootings because there'll be no guns. really concerned about saving lives. So it's a disingenuous argument from the beginning,

1:01:38 their ideals are, their heart's in the right place. That's what happened. And if you say that to people, they go, wait a minute. No, people are just going to give up and we're going to decide that they did something wrong, Mass exodus. Yeah. It's so great that people move there. help. I don't know. I don't know how you get rid of a hundred thousand homeless people. Like how

1:04:53 And then for everybody else, you have the fact that they camp out. I mean, it's tough to—it makes you ask, like, hey, what can I do here? Yeah. that they have a real problem with stores because people are just stealing things provable. Because this guy doesn't want forget, even if we went through this pandemic, we went through a summer of civil unrest. We had

1:07:34 Now we outsource that call 9-1-1 or we think we can call 9-1-1 because we've been told that the police are there to protect. it's, And then you add onto that a disrespect of police and incompetent cops like I'm going to tase you. I mean, it's the most stressful situation you can possibly be in, then and people can fact check or look it up somewhere.

1:09:23 It happened in San Francisco on the BART. Yeah, there's no way it should be shaped like a pistol. at a black gun it's a gun it should be a different the opposite of what certain for a police officer. like that asshole that pulled the lieutenant over, the army lieutenant. These situations are so goddamn aggravating, not just because you see a person who's victimized, but also because you realize now it's going to be harder.

1:11:49 So it's so tough. Well, they're going to turn to crime. But California, I mean, is bringing a lot of its problems to Texas. I have a friend who just came out here to visit, It doesn't mean you need to restrict people's freedom. take your house like what is this real it's crazy we're living in twilight zone it can definitely Yeah. No, it's insane. It's crazy.

1:14:36 freedoms be taken away in the name of things being dangerous, these restrictions to keep you should know what it means it's not as simple as like he just jumbled it up it's like he's doing And this is your profession. He said, there's no amendment that is not absolute. Well, there's two right there. take crime away first, please. Did you take crime away? You didn't. Okay, so how are you going to

1:17:11 and we must stay as ever vigilant that we remain so. But we need to look into that history. old compass to help guide their way and then I gave him a tomahawk gave him this how this led to chaos, what happened, what went wrong. You taught people how to think in school. what is the history of education? What is that? What is this philosophy about? What is it? And

1:19:40 So I think that's why this resonates with people, because there's something about us and then this is how I feel about this, grandkids. That affect the future of this country. And you're putting more thought into, I don't I see people that 30 years ago would have stepped forward and say, hey, no, this is there's some people that are going to agree with you

1:21:28 And that was the whole point of the Brandenburg decision. It takes weeks and weeks of discussion to figure out what you think. because it might come down to me. This society thing is fragile. I thought that we were nice Everybody was calling me asking for the loophole. I think that makes sense. so easily, which it sounds really good, but then you realize, oh, what is a universal background

1:24:15 It seems, Mr. Carr, you have an AR-15. No. Lists and these vaccine passports. And a lot of it is the same kind of, and I understand that How come we're not talking about that? somewhere or not go somewhere based on whether or not you've allowed them to vaccinate you. Joe, you're bumming me out, dude. horrific aspects to this guy. But revenge without constraint. So somebody that has come up in this way in that he has stepped up to

1:27:34 It was very therapeutic to write the novel, by the way. He's better at jujitsu. So he's a character that people can relate to. Yes. But there's also people in your books that are supposedly on the right side, or are you just using your imagination, creativity, There's a reason we all know that phrase. And if you read the whole speech or if you watch that whole speech, it's fascinating.

1:30:36 or whatever. So there's these incentives for them to become politicians, to get that rank, bad guy that you want the reader to cheer for when he gets when James Reese takes him out. So in some of these novels, I get to create characters that had Humphrey Bogart in it back in the day. So what do you think happened? And, you know, in every book, there's a piece of shit.

1:33:35 Maybe it's somebody that you see in the news. And like I said, very therapeutic because there were some senior level people, as I was in the military, that you looked up to and said, how did this guy? we're talking about all sorts of different social experiments and whatever else going on. I'm glad marshaled, sent home, kicked out of the military. But yet we have senior level policymakers who

1:35:59 So did they just hope that they would figure it out amongst themselves? stepped up to serve their country I mean, we have been involved in different insurgencies for a while, particularly from the end of World War II up to today. a little bit. But by the time we get to Vietnam and through today, Yeah, Michael Hastings, yeah, Who I met right before he died.

1:37:54 Like, how could it get more suspicious? McChrystal, yep. So this is 2000... Hastings couldn't fly home, and he's writing for the Rolling Stone, right? They start talking a little shit. You've been with this guy for a while. And so I guess, what did McChrystal say? I think he resigned, but he was going to be fired. what happened was he goes like 120 miles an hour into a tree.

1:40:01 You know, I've never seen this before. No one knows. Like, the engine flew off the car. I mean, if I was to write that in a story, and military special operations, And they were like, what year is it? There's a lot of... Well, don't worry about it with your Land Cruiser. And then you get the EMP thing, of course, you know, electromagnetic pulse. The thing about Hastings was they did a toxicology examination on him, and they found out that

1:42:45 Yeah. Wow. these other things going on yet. I wasn't building a business at the same time. I was just writing. Really? Just tension. So I talked to him. very interesting guy very interesting guy type thing, not just something like that which actually informs the public but if you found out and it was not just a Snowden type thing, you know, not just something like that,

1:45:20 Is there any line you wouldn't cross? Maybe. You know, interesting perspective. First of all, DMT is an exogenous in the human body. Yeah. How many journalists? Glenn. It was so great hearing you because that I would have I think he has a book that just came out, right? type thing. So Fast and Furious trying. But that seems like something she has this show called Trafficked.

1:48:27 And I watched the one on cocaine. They put them in their trunk and they drive them to Mexico because there's no border patrol But there was one in the Bush administration, and it wasn't working out. into Mexico so you can track them to, you know, get into these cartels and take down those cartels. Oh. So they tracked them all It's just the federal government going in

1:50:46 Eric Holder, yeah. How many guns was it? Well, thousands of guns is millions of dollars. How many guns overall? Wow. That is fucking crazy. and corruption and just straight up evil people that really do exist so you've made these kind of Where did you – I don't think you suspended disbelief. Usually, well, for the other ones, I'd been to Iraq and Afghanistan for the first book.

1:54:04 Yeah. incorrect. Yeah. I would be shocked if that is not true. Out of all my research that I did, I would be shocked if there is not something in place similar to what I describe in the novel. Yeah. that as a contingency in in the novel here and the only thing that keeps me So that makes me in my head think just knowing these people, you know, that makes me skeptical.

1:57:26 There were some great ones in the 60s. Yeah. You guys were going to do this? Before you get to the church hearings who end up with these tumors. Some of the things that we got back into after September 11th. community in the Reasons for that hit close to home in Savannah Yeah. And what other experiments do you think have been done on U.S. military?

2:00:29 give it to you so they gave me a couple and then i was like you know i'm done with this can we just I was looking into this Marburg variant U, which is a crazy infectious disease. is an assumption. So I spell all that out in the author's note. But Dr. Ustinov, coming out of eyes, mouth, ears, every orifice, and he's brain slowly liquefying. And that happens

2:02:57 And do we have it in this country? Yeah, you have to understand what is the enemy? What might the enemy have? Okay, But I didn't really spend much time learning about the specific bioweapons and going deep on it. And I'm researching all through the fall, getting into January. And it's like, OK, interesting. Imagine what the United States will do to itself if we get this in there.

2:05:26 That's the whole point of warfare is adapting faster than your enemy. with an iron fist, and punish people for any deviation outside of the right They're not going to give that control back. They never do. Once they get it, they've got it. And And it's also the media, the news cycle is so overwhelming. Like who is that person that said whatever they said in order to send the highway patrol to this guy's house?

2:07:47 But just reading that? But they're at the tactical level. I mean, you're trusting your chain of command. There's a control level missing right there. We have to fear incompetence more than anything. And that's one of the things that we really do have to fear. We have to fear incompetence. You can go look at, hey, why didn't that first election, why didn't that not work out?

2:09:17 Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club We all worked together. So they had And when it got him kicked out of the race, that was when we all did this on television or on stage rather. Not really, because he just sort of, you know, became a senator, right? Yeah. Yeah. But he has a book on that or a podcast on that where he talks about memory. Revisionist History, yep. Yep. Fascinating guy who actually loves reading thrillers and such a smart guy.

2:12:11 But when you have multiple, he's talking about one instance here, But how do you not think you're going to get caught on that one? Yeah. Because they weren't worried about an instant check or somebody jumping online and saying. And somehow or another, he got wind that this guy might be full of shit. The story was just total concocted heroics. Some politicians, like some mayor somewhere, said they were a SEAL, had the uniform, like the trident on there.

2:15:00 person with a trident with this stack medals, and he walks into this bar. And, you know, they're dressed in like I am right now. It was like insane. Like that's, I don't even, yeah. that that's a big one though especially if you're a politician because you're gonna fall hard I think he said he went to Nam, and he tricked a bunch of people and was actually writing for Abu Dhabi Combat News.

2:17:17 That's crazy. Someone, well, I was on Fear Factor at the time. And so I go, okay, this is exactly what I know. but he was a student of this other guy that I know who told us about this whole situation. And Eddie rolled with him. A lot. Like kicking in particular and punching, You teach them how to throw a couple of kicks, and they could say they're a grand champion.

2:20:05 This is fantastic. And he's like, this is how full of shit this guy was. A twister is a really complicated submission. I have to hook it with my left leg. Eddie Bravo is the master of it. And you can snap someone's neck. and then he's got this horrible spinal lock on, Is that Leonard Garcia? Korean zombie. He's terrible. No way. Jiu-Jitsu sounding name. I mean, that's a ballsy

2:23:45 But that's happened before. And he just doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah. Really? I saw the last one. who's fighting for the title Wow. So a lot of these guys It's so crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my best friends who actually sold him his house. He lives in my old That's the fake black belt. these Indian reservations. I think he knew to pretend I'm knee bar.

2:27:02 And so I'm pretty sure Very high levels in Pride. And it's so obviously fake. No, those tough man ones were legit because I was training for the SEAL at the time you know my whole life i've been training for the seal teams but I'm going to get in there. Yeah. Who's the referee for that? You know? and you're learning muay thai or something like that they would bring you to a gym and then you

2:29:28 Yeah, and ruined it for everybody. and then you know you get guys that are of similar experience and you try to be honest about that you It's divorce now, but, you know, yeah. He had fights in Thailand. And then the moment I got kicked in the leg the first time, I was like, oh, no. Yeah, no, it's so beneficial. and all these other things. but I plateaued like early, so like very early.

2:32:15 Week and during other times when I was like, Hey, this is pretty hard. And then I think, Oh, you know what? or Iwo Jima. So that really put it in perspective for me. job. That's when people quit right there. It's a little dicey because they make it very easy to quit and ring that bell you, uh, as you start. And usually those are the people that, uh, they quit right away again.

2:34:29 I'm like, geez. And I was like, because that's the program working. But that's the truth. think when they're talking about lowering protocols, they're lowering, lowering standards You open the door for them. And maybe that's all, maybe that's on me, but going forward, maybe they're not going to teach, I'm glad I did that 20 years. and we're going to take down this target,

2:37:27 I think someone tried to do the pre-BUDS and didn't make it. for these certain things that you can, you're looking for grit. So it's not insurmountable But why are they talking about lowering standards then if it's possible? your pull-ups, your run, your swim. It's been a little while. Yeah, just to get there. Right. swim in whatever time that was.

2:39:50 And then you go to the next stage where you go to BUDS, So I'm not sure how many have started here, gotten to here, and then gone forward. do you feel like you have an obligation to represent the SEALs through this character? And the same thing, that watches the show, they get to root for him because he's doing things that they can't do in You can read about it.

2:42:04 Vigilante Justice. John Wick. It was a very positive, yeahirty Harry and Dirty Harry. Yeah. All these things like that. Vigilante I take that very seriously and I want to provide something of value. So whether I'm writing that for two seconds or whatever it is, I don't want to waste their time because you are not getting energy, effort, and thought into how I explain something in a post or how I write a paragraph in the novel.

2:44:17 I did was focused on that goal, whether I was playing soccer or lacrosse or running cross that had the gull wings that folded up like this. We had this connection to his dad, to my grandfather. that war movie that was on. And when we hit a commercial break, my dad would look at his watch And he said, they're frogmen. And so I was like, age seven, OK, this is what I'm doing.

2:46:35 So I find this world of reading in thrillers, and I just love it. And then today, David Morrell is a dear friend. okay, six guys. Okay. I read that there's three teams on each coast. I'm going to make it through. to be focused on all your energies on producing the best product that you possibly can be the Thorne, this is who I want. This is who needs to read the book. And sure enough, ends up on her

2:48:52 No, I read those things at a very pivotal time, very impactful time in my life. package. Can't guarantee that they'll read one word. Definitely can't guarantee that you'll like it's a mindset and it's, it's a matter of discipline and action. And you're just such Like, oh, he'll grow out of it. And I've had people say you shouldn't tell people to chase their dreams

2:51:23 You know what? to make it. You might not make it if you go after it too, but you for sure won't make it if you thought about that. So I always thought, okay, if the first one doesn't hit, I'm definitely writing Maybe they have a goal, but people have tried to dissuade them from trying to achieve that goal. Taking care of my family is my mission. risk and read this book and then said, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to tell a friend about this.

2:54:08 and so that you've been on the show yeah movie series. I think it goes into post-production in the fall and I think sometime in 2022. Oh, I'm excited. Bye, everybody.